Death of a Game: Artifact

Interview of Richard Garfield and footage of Valve by Ars Technica.
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[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Interview of Richard Garfield and footage of Valve by Ars Technica. Original Video Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGelaISej8mLf9E Website: arstechnica.com/

[@drippeeboye607]

who else cums in their pants whenever he plays that sickass intro?

[@HenryHubPlatts]

You used the wrong Magic: The Gathering card back. Also, do you think that if valve released another game alongside artifact that it wouldn't have been dead on arrival?

[@patriousthefallenknight3185]

back when this was shown all my old guild members told me and everyone that played Hearthstone, that THIS would be the Hearthstone killer

[@Marinealver]

And Steam has finally admitted the inevitable. It is funny how you are able to put out these videos months even a year before it finally goes offline. (P.S. Waiting for a series on Planetside, I guess 2 is still up but Arena and Classic is gone. However there is a PS Forever Emulator that has games on Sunday.)

[@gavinhank4933]

Sorry to be offtopic but does any of you know a way to log back into an instagram account?? I was dumb lost the account password. I would love any tricks you can give me

[@firestarter6488]

In essence, you can say Valve... *didn't play it's cards right.*

[@LeoKasper47]

YEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@Soridan]

That was amazing. Don't ever do it again.

[@akaciparaci]

its

[@MisterMkey]

Nice

[@kinmakin2180]

bruh

[@RegularDude]

"It's a terrible, clunky mess that lacks a lot of what was promised and is overwhelming. 9.5/10, it has a little bit of something for everyone." Basically how every rating from 'big critics' is.

[@medievalist8441]

It's not good but it's better than nothing 9.5/10

[@self-proclaimedanimator]

Man after hearing from ppl who actually play card games They said Artifact was a breath of fresh air polished and really good But player base was very little and valve just gave up on artifact coz it wasn't giving them the same figures as Tf2 or Dota 2 So Artifact was a good game But wasnt for your avg valve fan

[@MukuonChannel]

That massive "AAWWWWW...." from the audience was just blood-curdling. I haven't felt that genuine gesture of defeat since forever.

[@glitchedsushi]

Some Yakuza Dad With a Beard compare it with the video were they launched Left4Dead 2.

[@TheZackofSpades]

Right up there with “don’t you guys have phones?” wahahaha

[@TwighlightLugia]

Diablo Immortal 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@Guciom]

@@TwighlightLugia This was before Diablo Immortal.

[@planescaped]

Not only did Valve make a game nobody wanted, they did so at the worst possible time, and it wasn't even that great to begin with...

[@Jebiwibiwabo]

shoulda covered its "revival on twitch" where people used it as a guise to stream movies/tv shows, and occasionally porn and other random stuff lol

[@kael070]

I was there watching german stream, space dandy stream, and itadaki sekieki stream, we laughed so hard that day

[@SethTheXenocide]

It wasn't all fun. There was legit beastiality being streamed.

[@Pwnstared]

"other random stuff" = pr0n

[@Jebiwibiwabo]

@@Pwnstared yeah, lol

[@LeoBego]

Other random stuff = Racist and Snuff videos FeelsWeirdMan

[@RKIC]

I love hearing that Disappointment of the Audience.

[@LoftySkinner]

The biggest problem: the IP. You need either a big established franchise or hit a home run with a new fresh franchise to get a TCG off the ground. Blizzard got a free pass because of all the auto-buy fans who love to live in the delusion bubble that is Blizzard's "eSports", ever since their last actual eSport, Starcraft, always chasing for a new Starcraft because they either missed out or weren't good enough. And just the size of the IP isn't enough. It probably has to not already be a good game either in video games or otherwise. (Warhammer 40,000 TCG failed, for example) And if it really has to be a game it has to be a richer world than some flipping moba. Unless you're Blizzard pre-political-suicide.

[@RKIC]

@@LoftySkinner I'd disagree in part, but I haven't really done any research on Artifact to back up my position entirely, because it's not worth my time, or anyone's time for that matter, I hate the game that I've never played and never will play, but the thing I hate the most is that it was the point where Valve stopped setting trends, and started following them.

[@chadnoneo9769]

The reason for disappointment is that Valve had been making great games for many years then suddenly when everyone wants a new installment to one of their older games they announce a card game.

[@FlaffPaff]

@@chadnoneo9769 Thats not why the crowd at The International was disappointed. They were expecting some sort of Dota related announcement like a new hero, instead they got a card game that nobody asked for. Dota fans don't go to The International because they love Valve, they do it because they love Dota.

[@mandykarevicius9746]

I would have laughed even harder if every single person in that audience stood up and left while Gabe Newell stands there looking stupid.

[@malohn2068]

Oh, I thought this game never released. Thats how little I heard about it.

[@Boneclinks]

I still miss the Artifact section on Twitch.

[@user-ro5ww2rb7z]

and the raw gachi FeelsBadMan

[@sygos]

I love Lord of the Rings so much

[@divinityd662]

I watched a good chunck of Guerren Lagann with twitch chat

[@Zoomin69]

Porn

[@Zoomin69]

@@divinityd662 wholesome

[@someguyontheinternet1093]

"300+ dollar game" "approachable" gaming journalism everybody

[@pewpin1039]

Well its easy to see how that dissonance happens when the gaming journalist most likely gets the game with everything unlocked.

[@DakarrtheTerminator]

have you ever played hearthstone my man

[@MahNoseIsMelting]

And now, a year later, artifact has died again. This time killed proper by valve itself.

[@Taikofan04]

Rip

[@Marinealver]

NS is able to see the future months, even a year in advance

[@kcottone]

I was at TI when they announced Artifact. The groan of disappointment was so loud that it immediately turned to laughter. I knew immediately the game would flop.

[@razagan1343]

yikes (also question what does TI mean?)

[@legendp2011]

@@razagan1343 DOTA 2 ti. TI= the intenational (esports grand tournament for dota 2, with prize pools over 30 million. the biggest prizew pool in gaming)

[@razagan1343]

@@legendp2011 thank you

[@ZergrushEddie]

I remember Brian Kibler of MTG Hall of Fame... fame saying that some of the designers he knew were quietly happy that Artifact died. To hear him tell it: “it basically flies in the face of every game design principal that we teach.” Very complicated style of play, multiple boards, a poor advancement system because buying all the cards in the game for ~30 bucks doesn’t create attachment and not being free to play while having that kind of economy, “we just don’t make games like that for a reason.” “Had Artifact been successful, we basically would have had to ‘rewrite every textbook’ on how to make an engaging game.”

[@lubosz]

That's very interesting. Do you have a source for that video?

[@moush]

Means a lot coming from the guy who made sol forge lmao. There’s a reason killer just streams now.

[@THE_BATLORD]

@@moush with richard garfield

[@ReMeDy_TV]

Those are some great points. Thanks for sharing what some of the designers were saying; it kind of attests to the fact the fans were right to downvote it as hard as they did on Metacritic.

[@smjsuperscott]

Bought game for 20$, cranked out all my included packs, sold all my cards for 28$, best game I was payed to play.

[@luisvilca4467]

Stonks

[@Snakee423]

@Lics Norgi lmao

[@lizgayle14]

@Lics Norgi You stupid? If you were selling cards on day 1 you could easily make a profit.

[@opgroundzero2.0]

@Lics Norgi not funny, didn't laugh.

[@opgroundzero2.0]

@Lics Norgi You don't even know how old I am and what I watch. Do you even know how to use ok zoomer?

[@Redfoxe]

And its planned reboot is dead now too. What a wild ride.

[@seto007]

"I think I made a great game, which is why I would rather go off and start something new, while all those lesser employees can sit around and clean up all the broken pieces of my totally great game." What an obnoxious ass.

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

The thing is that is exactly what happened with Magic the Gathering. He developed the initial concept for the game, but it was refined with the help of Richard Adkison's team from Wizards of the Coast. The problem is that here, he was responsible for far more. Richard Garfield is good for developing the initial game, but you definitely want someone who has experience with gameplay mechanics of card games to refine his ideas and to "check" his work. Even Keyforge had this problem for a while with the Four Horsemen being able to cheat the house mechanic.

[@MrMickio1]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz Yup. If you look at MTG for a moment, richard garfield was brought back to do a MTG set recently set in dominaria. Some of the card designs he came up with were so damn wacky they had to be put in unstable which is a set of joke cards that dont even work in the rules (like a knight that makes you do the hokey-pokey). The guy's a good designer but he comes at it with the toughtfullness and subtelty of a nail-filled shotgun shot point blank at a bottle of grain alcohol.

[@Drprophetius]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz "The problem is that here, he was responsible for far more", source to this please? To me it seems that he has had way less responsibility than stated by people who can't back it up. Valve employees themselves played the game, had zero knowledge on tabletop game design and followed some boomer designers card game fantasy.

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

@@DrprophetiusIn the development of MTG, Richard Garfield had less responsibility because there were numerous people who were overseeing the development of the game and eventually refined it to what it was today. There were actual people to oversee his work and adjust things. Essentially, he just came up with the basic concept and others built on his work. Nowadays, the Play Design Team of MTG is supposed to do this though they frequently get ignored. By comparison, Richard Garfield doesn't seem to have a team like this overseeing his work in Artifact. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXrJZWSJjriaacU He essentially says that he had heavy input in all aspects of the game early on. But, the hands off director/producer essentially gave him free reign and without a Play Design team or something like it to check his work, he essentially became the de facto director/producer of the game. Just like you said, the Valve employees didn't have much knowledge of table top so these problems become prevalent.

[@Drprophetius]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz But in your video he states that he was there once a week, only more at the beginning of the game... And "lead developer" sounds cool but it's Valve, they have this weird ass no bosses structure. In your logic, the game was worked on only once a week, so once a week he came in and ruined the game? This video is also from the important beta times... Richard made the basic game structure, and Valve fucked up the game.

[@FictionalCookie]

"competitive decks in magic costing several hundreds of dollars" Oh sweet summer child....

[@irt3hsaint]

*laughs in vintage and legacy*

[@MCSPARTA]

Yeah thats cute

[@wakkaseta8351]

* laughs in Yu-Gi-Oh *

[@Yarxov]

^ Vintage decks are more valuable than most players cars. I checked recent tourny lists. Yu Gi Oh (4-8) is a little cheaper than Modern(4-1K), more than Standard.(1-4) Legacy (3K+) and Vintage(30K+) just get out of control.

[@xenonchikmaxxx]

But eventually in Magic Arena you can build competitive deck with minimal donations

[@OmgItsLeaa]

Who could've guessed that ignoring your community usually doesn't end well?

[@ineedaname1341]

*half life 3* *Portal 3* *Team fortress 3*

[@gooby7014]

@@ineedaname1341 Left 4 Dead 3 Dota 3 Steam 2

[@Aliens1337]

Rohan Ghosh Half Life 3 Left 4 Dead 3 Portal 3 Team Fortress 3 DotA 3 Half life 2: Episode 3 Any of them is better than Artifact.

[@cabrondemente1]

DotA 2 has been massively overhauled twice since launch. We're basically playing DotA 4 in 2020.

[@IamSpacedad]

True. Though in some cases a developer with a vision has a better idea of what a game should be than the community mostly made up of laymen - especially when the most badly informed voices become the loudest. It's possible to listen to the community too much, and respond to the worst feedback about what a game needs - and a lot of competitive games have died because of over-responding to player feedback. (Artifact was not one of those cases though, definitely not lol.)

[@josiahclarke3535]

This video may as well be called "Start Simple: How NOT to make a TCG" Most of the good ones are very simple at their base and become complex as a result of development and player intuition.

[@refusingtoconform]

I think this idea rings true in many facets of life extending far beyond card games, Valve titles, and the videogame media. I own a Macbook and a laptop but if you asked me to recover your computer or swap out a dead motherboard, I'd be just as confused as you. Just as many of us rely on mechanics to repair our cars, carpenters our homes, doctors our wounds, and instructors to teach our children. On the surface, many of things we do on a daily basis don't seem hard to accomplish but just because things are easy to understand on the surface doesn't mean that they easy to create or easy to master. Some while persevere a difficult situation but if you're attempt to sell to a massive audience or appeal to the uninitiated as Artifact, cars, sports, medicine, and many facets of life do, there has to be some sort of entrance into that lifestyle and adjusting commonfolk to that path. But this is pretentious as fuck so keep it simple stupid.

[@masonlaw3520]

Artifact was already dead on arrival.

[@aidan8473]

The game itself was really good, but everything around the gameplay drove me away.

[@Marinealver]

Stillborn of a Game

[@jpHasABadHandle]

Game without real demand or audience, with a monetisation model that's out of touch with reality.

[@elinfini]

More like DO(T)A, amirite?

[@Maddinhpws]

It wasn't really. It had a few hundred thousand people who bought it immediatly. The problem was actually keeping the players after these players realized how bad the gameplay is.

[@NoExplosionsMcgee]

Fans: "Please give me Half-Life 3, L4D 3, an update to TF2's Man vs. Machine game mode, or anything that's actually worth my time." Valve: "Ok here's a Dota themed card game that nobody asked for! Please be excited!" Fans: "................."

[@Sportfuck]

Why does everyone keep saying that stupid shit over and over again? It's like objectively false. Few people booing on a fucking event doesn't mean jack shit when hundreds of thousands of players bought the game on the first day! "nobody asked for" is a circlejerk which means nothing to be honest. People wanted that shit, the fact that they bought it, is the proof of it. The game sucked balls, had shitty features and ridiculous mechanics, not to mention pay to play shittiness. Stop misinforming people and use your own brain.

[@sirrismendozasunlessrealms5775]

@@Sportfuck People also wanted No man´s sky, mate.

[@Sportfuck]

​@@sirrismendozasunlessrealms5775 The original argument is, "Nobody wanted a dota card game". Which is a false statement. Nobody wanted a dota card game which sucks balls. People would want a good dota card game.

[@IPFreelly604]

Gimme Ricochet 2 or give me death.

[@amuro9624]

I wanted a good Dota card game more than half life 3 so thats bs

[@Mamiya645]

Looks like this Garfield got a case of the Mondays.

[@NoExplosionsMcgee]

Lol!

[@RKNELIAS]

Goddamit I loled

[@SirActionSlacks]

No no no my boy look how they massacred my boy

[@alexandermeneses5688]

Love you Slacks

[@ThySirBlue]

What you mean Rag used to deal 8 to face. All Rag does is kill that 1/1 minion when your opponent is at 8 health and a 7/8 taunt

[@Golemoid]

"Die Insect" *literally swats an insect*

[@bobbobson110]

I'm pretty sure his text says: "If the opponents board is fully filled and he has 8 or less health hit face"

[@misterburkes8364]

You missed a few important things - one of the reasons why Valve was so out of touch was because of the way they handled beta. Closed beta access was only given to 1. Valve employees and 2. Professional CCG players and casters. This was a 6-9 month period where Valve relied on their feedback, everything was under NDA so crucial bits of information were not being leaked to the public, and this demographic bias led to the idea that the business model / gameplay was good enough for launch; and then they had an "open beta" which was really just a one-week headstart, far too late for actual feedback from the general player population.

[@sygos]

Side note: Casters ARE valve employees, probably contract employees. Their job and income depends on every year getting invited to cast at every tournament. Would you risk alienating your employer by bad mouthing their newest product, when your job is to represent that company and speak good about their other product for most of your career?

[@adriannaranjo4397]

I don't get this idea that companies can *ONLY* listen to the super hardcore pro demographic. Literally a single digits percent of the player base and are the equivalent to "whales" of f2p mobile games. Wait I think I just figured out the answer

[@MrPezsgess]

@@adriannaranjo4397 Yeah thats pretty stupid. But they did this a few times. Like the steam controller. Maybe it's the greatest controller ever, but nobody cared because iT's too complicated just like Artifact. Who have thought that the average player lacks the attention span to play 3! tables at the same time. Like bro. Some of us can't even rember our previous meal. Valve as I know want to revolutionize again. As always. They actually did something unique. But not all unique things are good.

[@firestarter6488]

This game's "death" (how can you kill something that was stillborn?), is a combination of Valve chasing trends for a profit, and Valve publishing a game no one wanted from them.

[@AnAverageGoblin]

sounds like valve's usual motive.

[@sovietdoggo3779]

@@Dr.Strangelewd exactly, the last thing any one wanted from valve was a card game

[@DracoSuave]

@@8Kazuja8 The game. Could not fit. On one screen. No one wants to play chess on three tables.

[@sovietdoggo3779]

@@8Kazuja8 damn, this was a well written reply.

[@glitchedsushi]

Trouble in large numbers the game itself is nice and well done yes. Problem is, nobody wanted it, fans of Valve wanted the games they never gave them: LFD 3, TF 3, Half Life 3 and so on...

[@villadelfia]

Damn, that "Source: TotalBiscuit" hit me right in the feels :(

[@Sharksterfly]

RIP Total Biscuit =(

[@DestinyZX1]

We still miss you TB. :(

[@DestinyZX1]

1010010111001010 no loss... it is a loss man.

[@ErikTheRedd1]

Same

[@nolovedrjones9668]

1010010111001010 get a load of this edgelord

[@Magar6]

What happened to Total Biscuit?

[@FrMZTsarmiral]

For me what killed this game (and my interest in it) is that it had this awful stench that this was not made with the idea of making a brilliant and innovative new game in mind, but a new "marketplace" type experience that would be super profitable for Valve first and a great game later. While I don't think TF2 and CSGO are bad games, seeing how Valve started to put so much emphasis in the marketplace aspect of the games it gave the impression that they were starting to get a bit too greedy for their own good, with this game being the culmination of this.

[@NightRaidGaming]

Valve only makes games that have a marketplace now, they have no interest otherwise

[@crylune]

@@NightRaidGaming hl alyx in development citadel hl: x cough

[@Raxxoish]

Artifact is a reminder that Valve isn't this charitable saint. They'd gladly do what EA does, if their fanbase allowed it. Thankfully we don't

[@DarkKnight179]

Tbh, the fact that they popularized (if not outright introduced) lootboxes in the west, and have the most predatory ones shouldve already given that away. But somehow Valve, the one most deserving of scorn, almost entirely avoided it during the Lootbox backlash.

[@0Wayland]

They were never the "good" guys.

[@Lkjhgfvf]

Next to no company is a saint, but Valve is at least not so insistent on ignoring the community as most others.

[@Cinnamon1080]

Valve had a massive hand in the proliferation and acceptance did loot boxes. They did EA before EA. Enjoy your 40 map skin for Dota.

[@BaeCat872]

“Thankfully we don’t” uhhh what? Valve is notorious for not listening to their player base period. They have too much steam money to give a shit about anything because basically nothing effects their bottom line. The only reason Artifact was *barely* acknowledged is because to much money was sunk into making it. Not that it even matters at all because they’re going to make buckets off the overpriced half life 3/ VR thing.

[@Megarover]

Artifact is the perfect example to show future ccg makers on what not to do if you want to be successful.

[@autboi9369]

Imagine having such a large fanbase as Valve desperately begging for a new release and they just go like "Here's a card game lol"

[@sliightdriizzle6011]

I think one of the main reasons people were so upset about the announcement of artifact was the hopes we had for it being ANYTHING else. A new single player game? A new IP? ANYTHING DIFFERENT?

[@jaymiechan]

It's funny to go back to this and see the ending talking about the "success of Dota Underlords and Auto Chess" after the Underlords episode.

[@PowerfulSkeleton]

The big, initial boo was because we had been promised that Valve would be announcing a new game at The International - and obviously, people were expecting HL, L4D, Portal, or some entirely new project. Instead, we got a game absolutely no one was asking for. It's fact that it was *Valve* who made the announcement that's important.

[@CircusQueen8]

I feel like you might have missed why the initial announcement was so disappointing It was far less about concerns over demonetization, and more about the fact that this was valve's first game after years of nothing, a game that felt like it was only made to chase industry trends.

[@StarkeRealm]

*Sees the six color M:TG card back from an Inquest article in the mid-90s.* Waitasecond...

[@OmegaExalted]

Magic: The game that introduced the genre Hearthstone: The game that streamlined it for PC Artifact: ThReE lAnEs

[@ClexYoshi]

My favorite part of this is that every image of a Magic the Gathering card back used in this video is a fake fan composite of what card backs would look like if we ever got the fabled sixth color of magic, Purple. there's only supposed to be 5 little orbs on the back of a Magic card.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

My editor doesn't play MTG and I thought it was good footage regardless

[@youtube-kit9450]

Aand Artifact 2.0 got cancelled after Anthem 2.0 got cancelled. Thought the meme was not being able to count to three, not two.

[@ououkuaipao]

avenger end game is next

[@Suchti0352]

Same goes for Unserlords who never got out of Season 1. But the worst part is that it was totally unnecessary. The lack of updates made the playerbase drop, not the other way around

[@Snejxjens]

"Allowed to play all CHAMPIONS" Dota 2 players: "Oh no you didn't!"

[@AdMral5BrAnDOn]

RIP Total Biscuit! Nice vid, miss the guy.

[@batt3ryac1d]

People were hoping a surprise announcement at a valve event would be a Half life game. Hence the giant boos.

[@TheSfelex]

i genuinly watched your entire series death of a game, skipping and avoiding watching this video, because holy god it hurts to watch, hear and feel this journey. I mean the graphics, the arts, the concept, the lore, i personally LOVED it, yet i understand and it pains me how Valve messed this up and didn't listen to the majority of the audience to keep it alive. And the music you used in the background kicks in a lot of feelings, good memories of times i enjoyed the game, but sad that it was mistreated and gone.

[@divinityd662]

"Are we supposed to believe there was some grand conspiracy to buy and negatively review Artifact?" To be fair, that interview was at the time when borderlands games WERE getting review bombed. There were some idiots who bought BL2 just to give it a negative review. Obviously Artifact was not review bombed in the same way, but I could definately see someone who doesn't understand internet outrage seeing it as the same thing.

[@SangTheCryptek]

The game failed, but I gotta say, the personality and animations of those red and blue gremlin things are fantastic. The way they taunt each other, and seemingly react in relation to the layout of the board looks great. In one tiny clip in this vid, I saw one player with a ton of cards on the board, and their gremlin looked chill and relaxed, like "we got this", and the other one looked scared and nervous. I find that awesome.

[@Lyubimov89]

Honestly, I like the idea, but they seem creepy rather than endearing to me. Their mouths open waaay to wide for comfort. They look like they will do flips and giggle and then sink their teeth in your neck the moment you look away

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

eh they look kinda forced to me, and there's just way too much shit going on

[@epicyoung]

0:33 You can't fool me. There's no purple pip on the back of Magic cards. As much as I wish purple was real, it could never be.

[@Legeden]

I think one of the biggest problem was that Valve was chasing a trend that was already dying. And there are other similar examples to be seen like Elders Scrolls (card game), Scrolls (Mojang) etc.

[@bubblegumxo]

If it weren't for my coworker who showed me videos of this game before it came out, I probably wouldn't even know about it. In fact after seeing the videos, I completely forgot about it until a Yong video popped up in my feed with a title like "Artifact already lost 97% of its players" or something like that.

[@metalc.s3170]

As soon as I heard that crowd reaction I knew the game was a flop from the start

[@KonkeyVG]

Appreciate the honesty upfront that you're not familiar with trading card games, much prefer that to someone acting like a poser and getting everything wrong.

[@Jasond29223]

Its coming back!!!

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

looking at the turn changes in this game is such an overwhelming clusterfuck lmao

[@L0LWTF1337]

Artifact was dead before the launch when they announced it would cost 20$ plus ingame purchases to play. No one that wasn't a paid streamer did even bother after that.

[@nobody4y]

"valve never made a bad game" theres always a first time

[@me67galaxylife]

Artifact is not that bad as a game tho.

[@regalvas]

@@me67galaxylife It didn't fail cause it was great though

[@busyBaldurus]

Well, there was also ricochet.

[@me67galaxylife]

@@busyBaldurus Don't you dare talk shit about ricochet.

[@me67galaxylife]

@@regalvas It failed because nobody wanted a card game

[@8Yaron8]

This game now real "dead".

[@Marinealver]

NS has great sources, or a crystal ball

[@ryotanada]

As of writing, the game's gone for good.

[@kenelt]

>WHEN YOU FAIL SO HARD YOU FORCE VALVE TO MAKE THEIR OWN GAMES AGAIN.

[@RepTik_BlaZe]

I feel like this whole situation was only amplified by the fact that when people see what looks like a new ip they want something new and unique (especially considering how Valve hadn't made new games in years and has been profiting off of microtransactions from their existing games) seeing that Artifact was "just another card game", fans of Valve in general became so disappointed, which along with people knowing how the game would be monetized would just end up pissing people off from the start.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Happy New Year everyone, and to many more with you guys. 2020 will bring the biggest changes and most ambitious projects yet, starting off the year with this Artifact DOAG and following it up with 2 big DOAGs. We have our unannounced new series coming as well that highlights video game terminology and tries to explain both the origins and current meaning!

[@FerintoshFarmsPhotography]

Happy new year, thanks for the years of insightful content that help devs and fans know whats what

[@Marinealver]

First they were Wizzards, then they became "Planeswalkers"

[@gordonsills]

While I agree with your overall assessment here… There WAS a concerted effort to review-bomb this game and give it as bad rep as possible. Every new player approaching the game was bombarded with messages "dead game, dead game, don't play it" on the first week of release - even from people who didn't own or played the game. Trolling was evident in Twitch streams - where every second message was someone discouraging people from enjoying the game - it was annoying for players, watchers, and streamers as well. The effort to bomb the game culminated in a complete takeover of Artifact category on Twitch. It was lead by at least one *chan and possibly some subreddits as well. Artifact's demise was also correlated with the unexpected (and short-lived) rise of Auto-chess - which culminated with big market valuation for Autochess team at the time and their eventual buyout by Epic. Valve's response was to shift Artifact's team to rush Dota Underlords to market in time.

[@fridifurios3528]

Excellent video, great flow of information. Many thanks for that. And happy 2020.

[@KrisM189]

Sounds cool. This Channel is the best.

[@gameboyjsa]

you didn't go over the best part, summer of 2019 artifacts twitch gets highjacked

[@thebreadbringer]

This wasn't a death. It was a stillborn.

[@RealTaIk]

I played artifact in beta and preordered it afterwards cause I knew the cards will be sold on the the steam marketplace. As soon as it launched I opened my booster packs, immediately sold all the card on the market and refunded the game a couple days later. Easiest ~100€ I've ever made xD

[@josesoria8335]

I can’t believe all 356 concurrent players disliked this video.

[@rated7bywheatwaffles]

I'm Brazilian, I have a hard time understanding someone speaking English, I can read in English, but watching a video, listening to a podcast is almost impossible for me, there is no brilliant channel like this, making this content rich in information in my language, I couldn't understand 100% of the video, but I really liked it, congratulations!

[@Movie_Games]

I don't understand it. Card games are a way to bring digital entertainment to real life. To bring it back into digital makes no sense. Especially when you don't even own any physical cards.

[@patrikpass2962]

But you dont have to shuffle and all the other annoying stuff you have to do irl. There is clearly a place for dtcg

[@dullwayfarer3971]

Some people just don't want the stress and hassle of actually owning physical (and thus valuable, fragile, and could get lost) cards, but would still like to experience the game for themselves. Also, I'm pretty sure card games existed before video games did.

[@xenonchikmaxxx]

As MTG player, I want to said that digital version of the game allows you to test different decks quickly. Also, sometimes you just don't wont to go to the club, but play 1-2 games before bedtime. And corona, you know

[@hurensohn7605]

It makes playing easier and allows for more, deeper mechanics without having to memorize 1000 things. I play Legends of runeterra which uses keywords as a mechanic. U can give units shields, certain fighting abilities, etc. There’s also card creation or cards which vanish after a round. Or landmarks which transform into other cards. The game can get pretty complicated because the playstyle is really reactive. Players can respond to enemies spells instantly and then the other can react to that. Even digitally it can get pretty complicated and requires a ton of calculations and thinking. That would so annoying when done with physical cards. Digital card games enhance the experience. Plus u can play It wherever u want with people around the world.

[@N12015]

@@hurensohn7605 Now that you mention it, I've heard that LoR has a much closer relationship to Artifact than you might expect. 1°: A lot of high profile LoR players are basically refugees from Artifact, almost all of the artifact figures in fact. 2°: LoR's gameplay is basically Artifact's gameplay with that back and foward turn base system, but without overcomplicating things like Valve did.

[@TuningAnApple]

Thank God, I was looking for something to watch and got your notification.

[@Vulspyr]

Just to correct you for the future, things like D&D are called tabletop role playing games rather than board games. They very often don't have boards of any kind.

[@benjaminrosiek5007]

I would add that M:tG ARENA's success and actual working UI (over it's predecessor) also really worked against this title. I really enjoyed Artifact as a more complex card game, but with Arena being so good, and some odd choices in Artifact and well.... it simply couldn't compete and got more and more stymied in issues.

[@caesertullo1824]

dude i played the game for hours trying to figure out the rules. I still have no idea what was going on.

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

can we take a moment to acknowledge that about every game IP other than magic that richard garfield worked on pretty much self distructs within the first year?

[@NightRaidGaming]

Not entirely true, Keyforge has done super well (for reasons I dont get), and King of Tokyo was popular for a fair bit. Robo Rally has a hardcore fan base For the most part it's impossible to follow up how huge of a success MTG was, everything just looks 10x worse compared to it

[@teifan6674]

Yeah that's something I had been thinking about for a while (not because of this game tho). He actually made a LOT more games than most people know of, but besides keyforge and very generously vampire tcg pretty much all of his other card games just failed spectacularly. A game store owner I know said to me once that his name on the front of a starter deck is way more profitable than his work and man he was right. I think he made some succesful board games tho

[@Marinealver]

All these live services are making certain you will never run out of content. Also IGN style Pandering provides for great context to the failures of the industry.

[@cattysplat]

How many live services can one industry really handle though? Don't we have enough? How can we possibly play them all and keeping playing all of them every time there is an update, when new ones come out all the time and those already established are so content rich, having well established competitive scenes and thriving communities? Artifact double dipping on a fixed price for the product yet having thousands of micro transactions was always going to implode from such clashing ideologies.

[@sharkhammr]

@@cattysplat it doesn't matter if the market can't handle it. Companies trying to please shareholders who don't understand anything about the industry will Thelma and Louise the industry into an early grave for the chance of a biiiiiit more money.

[@Beateau]

I found out about Magic in 1995, and thought it was like a decade old at that point. It always amuses me to be reminded it was 2 years old at that point.

[@spurdojenkins1932]

"million dollar tournament" goes up there with "half life 3"

[@dukeofnylon]

You don't get many examples of Dead on Arrival but this was definitely one of them, RIP Artifact.

[@Donutearthpodcast]

I just checked the player count. As of today 24 hour count- 24 playeers 48 hour high- 46 players

[@zacheray]

This game was hard as balls.. I spent 15 hour spans trying to learn all the cards.. was fun for a month or two

[@sixish]

"Is Artifact the true forgotten game made by Valve?" I doubt many people remember Ricochet.

[@FSSmash]

I'd love too see you take a look into Absolver, a game that had some hope but ultimately a shell of what it could have been.

[@doomexe]

Why not cover that weekend where the twitch category for Artiflop was filled with fun, Avengers endgame and porn?

[@outsidercain3038]

@@briangriffith4574 wow you serious?

[@briangriffith4574]

@@outsidercain3038 yeah, once word got out 4chan got involved and it kinda became a competition on what's the craziest shit that could get on there. Crazy thing was the streams would stay up for like ten minutes or so before they got banned.

[@outsidercain3038]

@@briangriffith4574 Damn... Knew about film streaming but not that stuff... Thx for the info

[@briangriffith4574]

@@outsidercain3038 this girl covered it pretty well if you wanna know more kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnXEhWR9lMdql7M

[@spinyslasher6586]

@@HenriqueRJchiki you did God's work my man!

[@pbrown7501]

Nice content and evaluation. Mind a little constructive criticism though? I think it would sound more professional if you had an editor look over your scripts. You have a fair few malapropisms, mixed idioms, and verb disagreements.

[@freewilliam93]

The pay to PLAY literal business model was a way to kill it fast since the very reveal told them it was dead on arrival anyway.

[@xanasago]

RIP TB :(

[@Highlaw]

I think you missed an important macro-scale detail, other than the Microstransaction saturation issues, that Valve hadn't made any games for years at the point of Artifact's announcement. Their next thing being a card game is mainly what disappointed many, even if we all assumed it would have a fair market (which it didn't) it was still a disappointment.

[@DanoLefourbe]

Also, Garfield is full of shit when he says Artifact is cheaper than MTG. You need to compare Artifact to Magic: the Gathering: Arena, since it's the main online client. And in MTGA, you can build a competitive deck for free in two weeks of just playing the game and doing your quests. Nothing crazy. It's what I and many other players do with every new block. Yeah it'll be one or two decks you can optimize every season, but that's what's you'd expect in paper formats with a 200 to 400 $ budget, anyway.

[@SuperDarkdiver]

And then riot released runeterra and within 3 months of playing for free, I nearly own every card in the game. Finally a cardgame that doesn't suck your wallet dry just to be able to play a fun deck

[@Aviati0n]

I didn't realize how much I missed Total Biscuit until I was reminded by your sourced footage of his Hearthstone games. The game industry and the internet as a whole has gone downhill fast without him.

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

I feel the same way sometimes, felt like he was -the- guy when it came to ensuring consumers got what they paid for. At least he didn't have to see Diablo Immortal.

[@VerityFraser]

One criticism that I saw frequently is that it wasn't streamer friendly. The three boards, coupled with its mechanics and presentation, meant that unless you were playing the game it was difficult to quickly understand the board-state, say if you were flipping through Twitch looking for something to watch.

[@SoulGizmo]

Its dead jim

[@Lyper15]

I was a person at the international. I am a big cardgame player, mostly shadowverse right now. I was not one that went "awww" I was actually stoked. Everyone's reaction to this game was really alienating to me. Then I played it and the random attack arrows made me lose randomly way too many times to count. After 1 week I was completely out... and I went back to playing dota.

[@EonBlackcraft]

The number one thing I remember about Artifact? 'I have a doggie'

[@utes5532]

At least Artifact brought us free movies on Twitch

[@MelonRoulette]

Valve: Give us some time to fix it Riot: Here's the legends of runeterra lol

[@ChincerDante]

riot is really trowing blows this days, it is like that hero in anime sitting there while everyone is training and showing game after game then riot stand and pull out two guns and starts to shot one bullet at every market "we are making a TCG an RPG a fighting game and a competitive shooter" even if half of them fail someone gonna die

[@dawey8897]

Riot is backed by tencent, a billion if not trillion worth multi media chinese company who also has a stake with epic games and by extension fortnite.

[@Blastabolt]

​@@HighLanderPonyYT I don't know how it was at the time you posted, but its actually pretty good right now. Its F2P, in that its generous and also its well balanced.

[@brettvv7475]

I've been playing video games since the 80s, and I've never heard of half of these games in the "death" playlist... That just goes to show their impact.

[@ronanelliott9709]

Sometimes when I’m feeling sad I google Valve’s Artifact and remember, “Ah yes. There are bigger failures out there than me.”

[@1337Ch33z]

If they remove the $20 barrier to entry and give everyone a free draft once a week I think the game could see a revival.

[@charlotte-hanson]

Richard Garfield is always such a weird figure to me. Sure, he's the great grandfather of all card games, and is therefore a huge part of my life. But Magic got better after he left, and he's kinda a dick.

[@the1onlynoob]

To be honest, I still think the mechanics and polish on artifact is fine. If the game is free (entirely, no drafting fees etc) and had a progression system like Hearthstone, it will do far better. I dont think it will ever beat Hearthstone, its far more complex but it will do fine with 10k concurrent players probably.

[@S3SSioN_Solaris]

8:35 The background music is literally saying " *I am a dogie* "

[@JustDaZack]

Source: TotalBiscuit My Heart: *Cries*

[@jonahdewitt2158]

Valve: "What if we completely ignored all of our innovations in the F2P market, and made a game where you have to pay up every single second to play?" Also Valve: *surprised pikachu face*