Death of a Game: Overwatch

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#DOAG . Death of a Game is a series dedicated to uncovering the mysteries surrounding the death of a game or company. nerdSlayer defines the term "death" in the context of the show as either... 1. Literally dead. 2. Had a mass exodus of players and never recovered (expectations etc). 3. The company ceased to exist. We follow a timeline of events, to uncover clues concerning why a game or company doesn't do well, and attempt to put it all together at the end for a deduction explaining how or why the game failed based on the evidence gathered.
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[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

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[@greatgameplayswalkthroughs660]

One professional player once described the mechanics as "rock, paper, scissors" and the obligatory team play to win (play with random people on internet)

[@yutro213]

7:19 Actually your POTG WAS impressive since you actually managed to push TWO other adversary players off the map along with the one you pinned with a single "Charge".

[@jonahweaver1122]

Around 16 minutes you say Korea games weren't known for microtransactions or lootboxes, I'd agree with the lootboxes piece but when it comes to microtransactions I think that is innacurate?

[@silverwind9906]

Hey I'm not sure if you knew this at but it was revealed later the the reason jeff Kaplan left was because of the corporation itself. They were forced to make a overwatch 2 due to the higher ups. And reason was apparently how bad the management was due to reports of sexaul harressment, disrespect toward female employees dispute their position and etc.

[@nathanoakley3940]

you keep claiming that there hasn't been any successful artificial esports, but the only non artificial one that is even remotly successful is smash melee.

[@Redsword603]

With PvE being cancelled for Overwatch 2, which was basically the main selling point. I think this calls for a part 2.

[@The_whales]

And this sequel is going to be free to watch

[@dreamllusion8390]

This video wilp be deleted, so that you have to watch the second part now

[@the_mikeanator]

Hopefully he releases a whole new channel just to announce this one video then cancel it

[@MisterFoxton]

Why have a part 2 for a game that's already dead? Are you of the mind that Overwatch 2 is a different game?

[@cilkcocacolaandmilk3423]

it would be better to wait until the servers are oficially down

[@SombraCheeks]

They just cancelled PVE that largest selling point of OW2. They are so bad at their jobs it is shocking. And they brought out a programmer to be like "uh it is really hard to do and we have other work so like uhh yea we cant" instead of an actual apology or anything. Our faults for trusting literally anything Bliz says.

[@ravager48]

I'm so glad I didn't give them a dime for the OW 2 early beta access a year ago or bought anything on their cash shop. This company is a shadow of its former self.

[@Pendarr]

I don’t normally actually hope a game fails but fuck OW2 and fuck Blizzard for their shitty non-apology for lying to us for months while trying to spin a positive sense that we’ll keep getting their half assed event modes instead. Maybe Overwatch 3 will get announced this year and the skins will only be $30 each

[@KopperNeoman]

Too busy turning women into fruit and making everyone "LAME AND GAY!"

[@Nikko-iz8ck]

I smell another Overwatch case left for solving Detective nerdSlayer.

[@42carlos]

Tfw they managed to ruin their game in less than a year

[@MasterXae]

To be fair he did accurately predict the death of Overwatch, Blizzard put it down like an old dog and immediately replaced it with the new puppy Overwatch 2

[@XXBASSOON1STXX]

That puppy just got diagnosed with cancer, lol. PvE is dead!

[@stephenvp]

@@XXBASSOON1STXX LOL RIP

[@FizzyJacksonAndTheOs]

maybe we'll need a death of a game for overwatch 2 soon

[@The_whales]

@@FizzyJacksonAndTheOsdeath of a game 2: overwatch 2

[@FizzyJacksonAndTheOs]

@@The_whales electric boogaloo

[@stylosa]

2016-2018 was a special time for Overwatch, I don't think I'll ever forget how the game felt back then, great times :)

[@Darkaces1289]

I'm curious to see how the overwatch content creators thoughts on this video.

[@Maqnuz_]

@@Darkaces1289 staying forever unable to transition off the game that made them while the game is dying is a bit sad.

[@matttyler9963]

"Back then" bitch please

[@proogenji7526]

@@Darkaces1289 yeah, me too. I think it’s a little bit over simplified. There was a reasonably big esports scene even before OWL but was never mentioned. I think the slow balance change was a key factor for the games slow death since it’s constantly taxing the player base. Players were stuck in very questionable metas for several months before they got changed.

[@calliph]

@@Maqnuz_ Aw man, that's not fair. The ones that are still around probable just really like the game. I mean could they transition to something else? Probable, but if the thing you move on to doesn't spark that enthusiasm the way OW does/did for them, I can understand why you might not move on. The lack of passion becomes much more apparent and ( IMO ) is reflected in their video quality. There's a certain level of care and appreciation that these guys still do it. In contrast to other video game content creators, who hop onto the latest "hot" game, just don't have.

[@Whawpenshaw]

Companies don't make games. People make games. An important thing to remember when almost everyone who ever had a hand in making a game you love from ten years ago have probably moved to a different company.

[@max547490]

That's an important lesson to learn. In the end Blizzard is only a brand name and does not describe a specific group of people. The Blizzard making OW2 and Diablo 4 today is not the same that made Overwatch 6 years ago or Diablo 2 LOD 20 years ago. These people working on the sequels simply happen to have the legal rights for them.

[@francopereyra6659]

In reality...Developers make games...they are the only ones that stay 24/7 in front of computers to make the game a reality and the sad story is that the developers are between greedy corporate people who twist their vision of the game for the sake of ultima profit...and dumb "gaming communities" that dont really know shit about whats is going on and attack the devs constantly when they shoul be in the throat of the corporations... so please stop making the gamers look like as heroes..because they are part of the problem too.

[@max547490]

@@francopereyra6659 Hard disagree my man. Gamers are the objective to work towards, not a problem to be solved. Of course gamers sometimes get the wrong idea of what is going on behind the scenes but in those cases they should simply be ignored, nothing more.

[@SnivyTries]

@@francopereyra6659 The biggest issue nowadays is that developers AREN'T making the decisions about their games, PUBLISHERS are. New World, ruined by AGS. Battlefield 2042, ruined by the "hero" hype. CoD Vanguard...okay that one is Sledgehammer's fault.

[@Whawpenshaw]

@@francopereyra6659 Look, I think you fundamentally misunderstand what I was talking about. Companies and corporations are just abstract names that own IP. These abstract constructs didn't make anything. The people working for them did. And those people frequently switch jobs and almost every single game you love that's older than 10 years, probably has very few people still working at the company that originally developed and published it. In other words, none of the PEOPLE who worked on Warcraft III are still working at Blizzard (the company). None of the PEOPLE who worked on Diablo or Diablo 2 are still working at Blizzard. None of the PEOPLE who worked on Battlefield still work at DICE. Now, I say, "NONE" but I'm sure there it's not exactly zero. My point is that many, many developers strike out on their own and start their own dev studio. DICE is a great example because many of the devs that USED to work there switched to a new company that's making Arc Riders. Literally nothing in my original comment had anything to do with consumers.

[@Nobody-zl3kk]

"You know about Overwatch?" "It had to do something with Porn or something right?" Legiti made the same question to 3 guys in my friend group and all of them gave me that answer, at least 2 of them legitimately and the one that is a TF2 player definetly did it just to take the piss.

[@Artificial.rainlee]

I don't get it, how does overwatch have something to do with porn?

[@hodam9687]

@@Artificial.rainlee basically some perverts make pornography of the heroes in overwatch because of its pixar like graphics and animations. These overwatch pornography videos are targeted for perverted wierdos who have a fetish for cartoon/animated porn

[@Artificial.rainlee]

@@hodam9687 ah okay thanks for the reply !

[@daanstrik4293]

@@Artificial.rainleeI don’t know the details as i’m not a viewer of this particular category, and I might be wrong on some details, But: - Overwatch had solid character design. Which made them very popular on Rule34 and simmilar sites. - The later announcement that one of the characters (The one front and center on the poster no less: Tracer) was a lesbian created even more Art - this very same lesbian character already had some “controvery” around a sexually suggestive pose which was removed, causing some minor outrage. Outrage which was shown by (among other things) featuring her more in Pornography. - The attempts at censorship by blizzard (trying to remove porn of their characters from the internet) was met with an overwhelming flood of porn with their characters. This also contributes to why even the minor/unattractive characters in overwatch (like bastion) have a relatively high amount of porn. - eventually some incredibly detailed 3D models for the characters were made/found (I can’t remember, but I think found) allowed 3D animators to make much higher quality and more accurate animations. As a consequence: Any 3D animated porn featuring Overwatch characters was higher quality over the competition. TL;DR. there was a lot of porn for various reasons, and most of said porn was a higher quality over the competition.

[@CeasiusC]

Rewatching this after the latest OW2 announcement

[@bryannaing6316]

TF2 really just exists as its own sphere. Rather than screwing people over, Valve just does nothing and the community runs itself.

[@mohammedsattamali3555]

Team fortress 2 is lucky they have like 1 developer left, titanfall 2 has been shown like zero help for a few years now, to the point where the community also had to make their own client so they can actually play the game, its ironic how both of these can be called tf2.

[@chpsilva]

At this point TF2 exists despite Valve.

[@themechbuilder6171]

its sad.

[@jefflei215]

@@mohammedsattamali3555 Yeah, titanfall 2 was so fun when it was alive. Team Fortress 2 is still somehow alive despite an economy crash, an ongoing bot invasion, and some controversial updates and broken weapons. Side note, I kind of like TF2's "toxicity" because it isn't real toxicity, it's closer to friendly shittalking most of the time and that grainy mic effect is just so perfect when people tell shitty jokes and stuff.

[@mohammedsattamali3555]

@@jefflei215 lets hope that both of these games come out on top one day

[@KayossSZ]

Blizzard accomplished the impossible. It killed Blizzard.

[@neko6990]

i wouldnt say blizzard killed blizzard, i would say activision killed blizzard

[@iAmNothingness]

Blizzard? 90% of the original blizzard got replaced.

[@epis8613]

Throughout history, hegemons and empires are rarely conquered. However, they often fall.

[@alexkaaret]

Just one more reason to hate Blizzard. It killed the company that killed Blizzard.

[@sonictrain1]

It was definitely Activision

[@Saltyaf38]

Oh boy... this aged unfortunately well.

[@thunderspark1536]

One thing I found facinating about overwatch is that they tried so hard to make it be a team game, to the point where going with randoms would be impossible. This runs completely counter to tf2, where they fixed the issue of randoms by combining the single player experience of agency and skill with the multiplayer experience of teamwork and strategy where you didn't need a team to be good. You just had to hit your shots and not get hit, and that, ironically, made teamwork more fun. You didn't need to swear and coordinate a big push, so successfully doing so was even better, as is the feeling of slamming the enemy team solo.

[@thunderspark1536]

@@AtomicSlugg Indeed! They say the same thing in the tf2 dev commentaries, they made the assumption that every player does their own thing and doesn't care much what everyone else is doing, which is the most realistic option you have. It means that proper teamwork isn't forced upon players who just want to have fun, and rewards those who work hard at it. Engineers and medics support their team not through coordination and communication most of the time, but through one on one interactions with other players. The heal beam on a good player or someone who keeps you safe from the enemy, builds friendships and improves teamwork through choice. You can heal a sniper and keep him safe from spies, and he'll shoot the enemy snipers who would otherwise kill you. You can build a dispenser to hold a choke point and keep your buildings up. Even the idea of 12 v 12 works surprisingly well toward this, even if half your team is shit, if the other half works together and pushes a point, you can often win easily. Overwatch went a bit too far in the competitive direction, forcing you to play as a certain class type really hurt them later on. Nobody likes being told what to do, least of all gamers. It's a shame honestly, because I think it could have become timeless just like tf2 is done right, but it just wasn't.

[@thunderspark1536]

@@AtomicSlugg It's actually the same way I feel about tf2 comp. I don't feel like I make the deciding plays or change the game as I do in casual. Ironically, having a smaller player group makes others mistakes and mine much more prevalent, making me feel forced to sweat all the time. In casual, I can miss a stab on a medic, but a pyro could airblast them if they ubered. You feel more in control when you get two or three kills and the team pushes in than if you get one kill and the team pushes in. It's an odd feeling.

[@Sercil00]

TF2 is also a rather relaxed goofy game. You get the tryhards on one extreme and the friendlies on the other, most servers fall somewhere in between, and as long as you don't massively go against the rest of the server or as long as the other 11 players on your team can compensate for you, you can pretty much do what you want. And if you lose, most players aren't really that upset. Or you can just be a crappy new player and learn the ropes. I've even seen people in very competitive settings have these little interactions with other players, which often end in both sides hitting their self kill bind. It feels like the whole cartoony-psycho-wacky-mercenaries setting was designed so people would play this exact way.

[@bluejetlightning8427]

It really nailed that experience, I miss my days as LE spy.

[@MrSlendyMannn]

Couldn’t have said it better myself. It’s why I’ll always think that TF2 did that aspect a ton better than OW. Overwatch with friends could be fun but on your own? It was akin to dead by daylight survivor solo queue. A boring slog. I appreciate both games overall though.

[@angrontheredangel3908]

7:25 Downplay it all you want, but Yeeting both your enemies and yourself off the map with a good charge is Peak Reinhardt.

[@allanturmaine5496]

Smashing!

[@smoothsoulbrotha]

I took out 3 people with a charge off the edge for potg a couple of times. So satisfying.

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

Charger noises

[@ThePaceMaker127]

Zootopia 2 script at the bottom of the ocean

[@butterlerpunch]

@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 me when dead center first map

[@pewnit]

Isn't it insane that this 40 minute video came out and not even a week later and Microsoft has now acquired Activision-Blizzard

[@exor_cisis548]

They spoke too soon honestly.

[@Goat_Lord]

Exactly what I was thinking. I have high hopes for Overwatch.

[@rafa3lico]

TIME FOR A NEW SERIES: THE REVIVAL OF A GAME Fingers crossed for a revival of blizzard

[@jhonejay1426]

to be fair, majority of this wasn't the game developers fault, i thought it was the big publisher, the developers were trying to curb toxicity, and rebalance the game

[@tonysiouxfan]

@@Goat_Lord Yeah because Halo Infinite is such a consumer friendly experience.

[@dragonrider9051]

My favorite part was when everyone on your team would yell at you for not playing your character the way they wanted to.

[@LeonRHarvey]

Or the character they wanted you to play.

[@shark_2283]

just like every single game ever. the words may be different but the message has been the same since the first time. they think you suck at the game and would be happier if they were playing with a clone of them selves

[@azure4622]

​@@shark_2283 stuff like this rarely happens in MH and is shunned by the larger community

[@shark_2283]

@@azure4622 because one the majority of the community dont speak english in almost any capacity and 2 its a pve and thuse mucth easyer to solo carry in. Comparing a pvpv game to Monster hunter is like comparing bikes too cars.

[@azure4622]

@@shark_2283 you did say every single game ever, i was just contesting that point.

[@booletz6841]

Little did he know overwatch 2 was just basically an update to overwatch

[@AnkaaAvarshina]

an update that they had no reason to kill a perfectly good game for and act as if what they're doing is very justified and sensible

[@waters-effect-on-gravityy]

@@AnkaaAvarshina 5v5 gameplay is miles better they didn’t kill the game

[@AnkaaAvarshina]

@@waters-effect-on-gravityy you talk as if that's the only thing they changed about the game.

[@waters-effect-on-gravityy]

@@AnkaaAvarshina But the gameplay is the most important part of the game. Yeah, sure they added some terrible monetization but you don’t HAVE to spend money.

[@AnkaaAvarshina]

@@waters-effect-on-gravityy They're MAKING you spend money by locking NEW HEROES in the battle pass, by making the game stale to play UNTIL you spend money. You can only play the same game over and over until you're sick of it and want something new. A good game would let you have new things FOR FREE. A bad game puts it behind massive paywalls and act like that's normal. Guess what game Overwatch 2 is. Also, OW2 did also introduce bad gameplay changes and glitches. Doomfist's heavy nerfs, Mei having glitchy walls. Again, you act like what you said is the only change OW2 did.

[@erikferal]

"No! You can't have gambling boxes in this children's shooter game!" "Children's shooter game? I thought this was a porn game..."

[@dean_l33]

The porn will outlive the game

[@TheLongasen]

@@dean_l33 You got that right!

[@DustyLamp]

They did it to themselves. Took Mrs incredible, cranked it to 11 and multiplied it by 5

[@faithfullone5414]

@@dean_l33 there is so much of it bro !!!

[@imadeyoureadthis1]

@@faithfullone5414 thank god

[@chemergency]

2016: Uninstalling Team Fortress 2 to make room for Overwatch 2020: Uninstalling Overwatch to make room for Team Fortress 2

[@lilyliao9521]

2021: uninstalls both

[@veralena8156]

How is tf2 doing actually? i remember wanting to get into it but all the bot stuff that was going on at the time made me change my mind. did they fix that stuff or are the bots still annoying people? Edit: okay thanks for the replies, seems the bots are still annoying but the game is playable, i guess i will finally give it a go.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

There is not a soul alive that did that in 2016, and if there is, then may God have mercy on their wretched soul.

[@sandrogzirishvili6800]

Dude couldnt save enough money to buy an hdd im 4 years. Sad

[@GonnaDieNever]

@@veralena8156 the bot crisis is ongoing because the bot devs spend more time trying to break the game then the real devs can spend trying to fix it, but despite that TF2 hit its highest player count ever in 2020 and is still rolling strong to this day.

[@akaimizu1]

I was about to comment about Overwatch 2, but so many people already did. You definitely called your shots, with this video, and nailed it.

[@javigonzo2264]

I’m coming back to ask NerdSlayer to please make a death of OW2

[@WhiteFang103]

Worst part is they literally killed their own game. Unable to take feedback and balance heroes and add new content. Abandoning OW1 to develop OW2, yet we didn't need OW2 to begin with. Could have just been a overhaul dlc update or something. Way to drop the ball.

[@popair3453]

And who tf wanted a ow2?

[@UCMGTWOClan]

@@popair3453 It was to cover up the Hong Kong controversy

[@dolphinpower1107]

Isn't that what Overwatch 2 is?

[@Furieas]

so they can sell the game as full price again and resell all the lootboxs again, youtubers will buy for views (money) and blizzard knows it.

[@zanwrightmfwr756]

Blizzard be like: "You see Valve over there? You see that game TF2? You see how a sequel is more successful than the predecessor? We need to make an OW2 so more people will play"

[@princesscadance197]

The saddest part about Overwatch is it feels like a conflict of ideals. A passionate developer team who wanted to make a good game and universe, fighting (or more like bowing to) a corporate overlord who pushed profit above all else.

[@SnivyTries]

You have literally just described every game Activision-Blizzard publishes. Congrats.

[@mayainverse9429]

if it was true they wanted profit "above all else" then they would have made a game didn't die.

[@rolando90s]

Good thing that Jeff left blizzard

[@RetryOfHealGuy]

The game was already in steep decline way before the League died. No new events, any or all important stories being just stupid flashbacks of the past with no relation to the current game. Removing Hog's ability to 1 hit kill, and then adding 1 hit kill mechanics with Doomfist. The massive amounts of CC spam with Brig, Shield and Goats meta. Etc, etc

[@jingbadatti9956]

The devs were actually always pretty sketchy. I remember at one point the devs basically just removed Lucio from the game for no apparent reason. They took years to fix brig. They opted to just go for enforced 2-2-2 rather than fix goats. Luckily the devs seem to be turning it around a bit, listening to community with the streamer experimental card and such. Shame it seems to be too late.

[@tomservo9254]

I like how every single clip of Overwatch League footage used in the video involves Vancouver being completely destroyed.

[@Zambrano2199]

Well this aged like fine wine.

[@joseph2000117]

I'll never forget seeing my first Overwatch character, Zenyatta, and becoming enamored with the game desperate for news. 6 years later and Zen virtually received no lore progress. Unbelievable

[@mathiassou9]

I'ts not true

[@alexanderschmidt4503]

@@mathiassou9 Enlighten us, what lore progress did Zen get?

[@mathiassou9]

@@alexanderschmidt4503 we know that zen is the master of genji

[@RettieCom]

@@mathiassou9 We knew that at the launch of the game though?

[@mathiassou9]

@@RettieCom not at 2016

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Cinematics were amazing. I completely forgot the sequel existed. They should do an Arcane so at least we get an amazing animated story. Fantastic video. Keep up the good work.

[@Mayhamsdead]

>" They should do an Arcane" OmegaCRINGE

[@TwoTwig]

@@Mayhamsdead Hey it sorta saved Cyperpunk so don't knock it.

[@Mayhamsdead]

@@TwoTwig Cyberpunk 2077's anime was one of the best I've seen, period. I didn't reinstall the game afterwards though.

[@TwoTwig]

@@Mayhamsdead Still boosted their sales and ratings though.

[@Mayhamsdead]

@@TwoTwig Okay?

[@immersion726]

it is 2023. Overwatch 2's PvE has been cancelled, all promises broken and 4 years of development being NOTHING. The Overwatch League is destroyed. Players are abandoning the game rapidly. Death of a Game: Overwatch 2 is only a matter of time. Edit: It has arrived. Death of a Game: Overwatch 2 has been published.

[@GeekyPanda404]

Again, the only thing that can take down a Blizzard game is not Competition out there, but Blizzard themselves for its many failures resulting in the game's destruction.

[@wasdspecialist196]

You're right, but it's not only Blizzard! same goes for all modern Esports. All of those companies rise to the sky, make so much money and eventually they're no longer to satisfy their greed till they destroy their games. Seeing how EA/Respawn are managing Apex right now, I'd say Apex is also fated for the same end, maybe not now but one day.

[@haghendowdy4750]

All the games dubbed "WoW killer" and look what it actually takes- Blizzard themselves

[@LordOfWaffles32]

Blizzard seems to always make ground breaking games but fail to understand how to keep up the good choices

[@NeilGoldader]

“Blizzard is no more”, this man predicted 5 days into the future, folks.

[@Chadius]

NerdSlayer has future sight

[@MariOmor1]

Now, Blizzard shall rise once more. (Hopefully.)

[@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943]

Blizzard should be renamed to sand strom or haboob

[@DrFrogglePhD]

@@MariOmor1 Hopefully not. It doesn't deserve to. It's been a dogshit anti-consumer company for a decade. Fuck them. Rot in hell.

[@MariOmor1]

@@DrFrogglePhD right :)

[@chinogambino9375]

The blow up in balance is the result of simple but major violations of game design. In games we typically balance with trade offs, for example high dps must have a price in survivabilty whether that is HP or mobility. Counterplay comes from exploiting weakness in asymmetrical game design. A lot of OW characters completely break these rules, Genji was the first most blatant example; highest base speed, wall climbing, double jumping character with an offensive ability to move decent distances instantly with guaranteed damage and an invisibility button that punishes aim. A character that had an instant kill combo, can cancel their abilities and an ultimate capable of easy team wipes. There is no way to balance that, it has to be nerfed but instead everything else got stronger, more CC characters (brig, doomfist) and beam characters deflect can't nullify (Moira) got added. Sustain ended up being the most straightforward way to avoid dealing with broken DPS. OW is impossible to balance because its heroes have no coherent design philosophy to keep their abilities sane and its core format doesn't utilize abilities past team fights. If it were a fighting game we'd call it Kusoge, fun but broken, it can still be competitive but everyone knows the game is stupid.

[@naaxx496]

I do not aggree at all, ofc game design is broken for a lot of character in the game but come on, you can't take Genji for example. The character was fairly balanced in a way that to pull off effectively all thoses ability you would have to be ultra clean with the mechanics of the character (the only exception is the nanoblade combo). All the things you just said, Genji had the potential to do it, it was left to the player to perfect every part of the character to come to this result, where Doomfist for example was just BUMP -> STUN -> BUMP INTO A WALL -> KILL which was fairly esaye cause all his spells were AOE. If a Genji is killing everyone, it's because it's a good Genji player. If a Doomfist is killing everyone, it's because he picked Doomfist. That's a huge difference.

[@ajgerbi]

I’ve never understood why Genji’s hp wasn’t nerfed.. he’s on the same spectrum as tracer, high mobility and high damage at close ranges, yet he had the same HP as less mobile characters such as McCree.

[@naaxx496]

@@ajgerbi Cause Genji need to hard commit to be effective and he need to be litteraly next to his target, that's why he also has a Deflect : he need survivability. Tracer has basically infinite dashes if she manage them well and a recall if it's too dangerous, when Genji has just one hard commit dash that require a kill or an ult to reset. Again I aggree with what you said, that's just not a good example, there is plenty of other characters that demonstrate your point aside Genji.

[@urisinger3412]

Lmao balancing is not a problem lmao overwatch is one of the most balanced game rn. There are 26 heros and all of them are viable up until gm, but even in gm those heros are playble.

[@naaxx496]

@@urisinger3412 Well you can't denie that Ow got a lot of issue with balancing their game, I mean that's the whole story of Brigitte. But that's what happen when you try to make a serious, competitive and balanced game while also trying to be fun, casual and easy I guess

[@Y.Moroboshi]

0:20:50 it should be noted that Blizzard has chased the e-sports pipe dream since World of Warcraft’s first expansion, so them rushing into the Overwatch League isn’t a surprise.

[@bduddy55555]

WoW? StarCraft was probably the biggest e-sport in the world at one point. But Blizzard didn't build the scene. 20 years later they still don't understand why it worked.

[@Y.Moroboshi]

@@bduddy55555 Yeah, the Starcraft scene was incidental. They made the game, and an e-sports scene came about on its own. With WoW, Blizzard announced they were going to make it an e-sport when they introduced the arena in The Burning Crusade, then proceeded to balance classes not around endgame or some overall semblance of a fair metric, but based on how they'd perform in arena.

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

They accidentally made a long term e-sports league with Starcraft and have been desperate to try to recreate it. The thing they don't get is that Starcraft e-sports started organically, from people who loved the game and kept it relevant years after its release. It wasn't orchestrated artificially, from the top down by Blizzard, and it relied on an excellent and beloved game to even have a chance of occurring. I personally believe that e-sports will never function the way corporations want it to, because the concept has to exist external to the companies that make the games. It's like being cool; you don't decide you're cool. You certainly don't announce you're cool. Being cool is a determination made totally externally from yourself, and even making that determination publicly ironically negates the cool factor. Nobody wants some corpo jackwagon pulling a "how do you do, fellow kids?" on them, which has been all Blizzard has done with e-sports.

[@DrEnzyme]

A company's attitude really leaks into the games they create, and with Overwatch that became apparent the longer the game was around. Kaplan was right about the competitive scene, it should've grown organically. When Tf2 launched, there were just servers that you'd join. No competitive matchmaking, no queues, you'd get players of all skill levels joining the same servers. It felt way less structured than OW, and in a lot of ways less stressful. You didn't need to worry about losing MMR, winning didn't give you "bonus XP" towards your next loot crate drop, you'd just smash out some 2Fort and have a good time.

[@Mrpeanut567]

You’re still allowed to play overwatch without stressing over your next loot box

[@MrxD-cg5xs]

And that is one of the big reasons why i quit OW, but continue to play, and enjoy, TF2. While OW kept focusing more and more on its competitiveness, TF2 kept true to what it was first intended to be: a good time. Also its kinda ironic how the one of the two games that didn’t try to be competitive is also the one with an overall better balance than the other has…

[@eljote3]

@@MrxD-cg5xs It is also kinda ironic that Valve failed to make a competitive mode, while TF2 community made a competitive mode with more solid rules way before Valve decides to include that mode. TF2 is still here because of its community and few game franchises can say the same thing.

[@erictim9052]

its not that serious get over it

[@daveRG93]

@@Mrpeanut567 I agree, it seems the original comment was teetering a bit much towards nostalgia. If OW didnt have the features mentioned it would be not only disobeying the laws of gamification, but also setting itself as a backwards product. Honestly, what game still has game rooms/lobbies you have to manually join (rts custom maps aside)?

[@GGabe1]

Im 100% sure that this was an accident, but I just love the fact that the first song that play is the "bearded expense tf2 theme".

[@localcommenter4853]

But it’s not Chicken Invaders 2 :’(

[@DevilishmanThe]

Who's here waiting for Second Death of a Game: OW2 Electric Boogaloo?

[@piccolo917]

The most vibrant thing about Overwatch is the “art” scene on the topic. And thank the lord for that

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

Remember when Blizzard went insane and tried banning OW "art"? I think that should have been our first warning that this game was gonna go to shit.

[@inerlotechnologies4908]

The game is practically being kept afloat by the pornography industry at this point.

[@piccolo917]

@@thewhompingwampa2671 if I remember correctly, they banned the use of in game models for NSFW art, not the stuff itself

[@unicorntomboy9736]

I'm not especially proud of it, but I remember watching that "art" a lot lol

[@renno2679]

Mmm theres certainly some good "art" out there

[@BigLesbian]

19:00 Thinking about it. They really should've put in a guild system so you could queue in with people from a select group. That way you can have a bigger group of friendlies without it being 5 other close friends

[@Matthew-hl5eg]

This is brilliant. Are there games that already do this?

[@deank3172]

@@Matthew-hl5eg apex legend does this

[@firelordwaffle2987]

@@deank3172 wait? really?

[@deank3172]

@@firelordwaffle2987 ye,they implemented clubs feature a few season back i joined one before quiting

[@nuiker]

It'd be interesting to know how similar Overwatch was to the Titan pvp side. Seems like a lot of the issues Overwatch ended up having would have been lessened with the mmo aspect to temper them.

[@crikeybaguette4564]

The fact that Overwatch got a Death of a Game video before Team Fortress 2 is honestly impressive.

[@kitschydotpre4302]

“What is dead may never die.”

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

It’s really needs one because as much as I love TF2 over Overwatch, Valve has abandoned it for the most part. There hasn’t been a major update since 2017 and there are bot issues

[@Thebooooy]

As a TF2 player, it's hard not to acknowledge the rivalry between these two games. Although, it seems like it would be a fun game, and I hope there isn't any hard feelings between the communities.

[@Meitti]

Its the difference between a game relying on constant developer updates, vs a game that is very moddable, has dedicated servers and thus the community can keep the game alive by itself.

[@Jontohil2]

@@Meitti might I add that the core gameplay is still so much fun and well balanced (especially compared to OW balancing). Plus it’s accessibility in many ways continues drawing in new players.

[@Pcwizayylmao]

Can't wait for the DOAG for OW2

[@sharp937]

35 active million players after a month since launch.

[@Pcwizayylmao]

@@sharp937 I didn't say I wanted it now, I said I can't wait for it to eventually show up.

[@sharp937]

@@Pcwizayylmao nothing last forever

[@richardmcgowan1651]

Amazing this popped up only after watching a few videos about the disaster over OW2 PVE mode. I would say OW2 might only have a year or two to go before its closed down by Blizzard.

[@bomb00000]

I think that was the biggest issue, not letting the community evolve organically or letting anything happened organically. I remember so many metas were created because it was something that the devs wanted!

[@PixelSubstream]

I think that is becoming a wider problem in the game industry. Developers are wanting to control more and more how the game community evolves and behaves. I think all this community policing only ends up turning people away. And the problem is that it always starts with good intentions but since they devs and not players , they don't have the same POV of what is making their game fun for the community as a whole.

[@diangelo786]

You have to keep in mind all the people who would complain about each meta tho. Blizzard didn’t make all these patches because they felt like it, they did it because millions of fans would bitch about triple tanks, or triple DPS, or triple healer, or pirate ship, etc. and they were so scared of losing said fans that they’d over-correct way too many things and end up losing way more fans as a result

[@Newt0rz]

@@diangelo786 Exactly, it's basically the same thing that's made the last couple Gears games boring as hell to play. Everything's overtuned for competitive players, and it's just not fun for casuals.

[@archkull]

@@Newt0rz because the profit is in competitive players, how could anyone think this has anything to do with good intentions?

[@bigkirbyhj666]

@@archkull except is there really tho, unless you are a small niche kinda game that doesn't require tons of maintenance, and stability.

[@Iek-nx9sw]

This game had every foundation to succeed and so much passion and polish behind it and seeing it this low is genuinely heartbreaking to me, especially as someone who's been playing since launch, it's egregious how poorly this game has been handled.

[@TheDevos1]

I mean it did succeed.

[@mistereiswolf70]

Overwatch helped me finding new friends after a very bad time in my life so it will always have a special place in my heart. Seeing Jeff go and this state of the game makes me so sad because it could have been so much more.

[@ozzcoremidmx8287]

I always thought Blizzard would make a series or movie based on Overwatch seeing how much successful the animated trailers were :(

[@jabbathehutt2774]

Ever since the first Halloween event I've been playing. I miss those times.

[@gavinr.3170]

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[@harrisonfletcher6104]

time for a part 2

[@juanpablorobayo9891]

Overwatch hurt me a lot because they had the gall to say: "We love your fanfics and fanart so much we're not gonna update the story! That encourges your creativity!" Bro, if you've seen ANY fandom ever, all new content is like a drug that shoots up fan content. I dont know what Jeff Kaplan or the team were thinking when they said this but i distinctly remember being so confused when I read that years ago

[@WarlordM]

The worst thing by far for my personally was the mishandling of the story ... Specifically by the choice to have no story. The events were all flashbacks for five years, the animations were almost exclusively character lore and very rare, and nothing of significance happens in the comics (which made characters sexualities being revealed the only notable thing that happened in them). Now I'm getting into the lore of fucking League of Legends because they dropped an unparalleled show on Netflix while Overwatch has dropped a single story trailer since 2019

[@DarthDookieMan]

@@WarlordM To be fair, Arcane is a revamped/further detailed character backstory for LoL champions, but your point still stands.

[@WarlordM]

@@DarthDookieMan their backstories were integral parts of a story about their societies

[@whitegoose2017]

If you didn't already know this Blizzard is not a friend of any creative person. When Warcraft 3 Reforged came out the new EULA basically stated that everything you use their fantastic world editor to create, is part of Blizzard's intellectual property. This new updated EULA, I think, is born out of fear that Blizzard is gonna miss out on the next DOTA or something. It's practically illegal in the European Union.

[@coolman229]

If you ask me I think that was just an excuse to not have to make a story. That would not only require work but also lock them down to an actual foundation for backstories and lore. Doing that means they wouldn't be able to retcon things in order to establish a new character (Moira comes to mind) and they'd have to keep track of lore over the years to make sure their new stories keep in line. I'm really confident that's why the graphic novel that was supposed to detail the origins of Overwatch in the Omnic Crisis was canned. Doing that means they couldn't go "Here's a new character that's totally been around for years but you just never saw them" when people would know what the backstory was. And writing new stories would mean actually organizing the vast cast of characters into coherent stories beyond the bios (and occasional animated short) and expand on the lore. With numerous different factions and groups (Overwatch, Talon, Deadlock Gang, MEKA, Vishkar Corporation, Volskaya Industries, whatever side Junkrat and Roadhog are on, etc) that would take a decent effort to write them into a coherent world to tell actual stories. That's why they just stuck to animated shorts and individual comics. They can put some effort into something that seems like it's story content but in all honesty is pretty disposable. So much of it feels like set ups for bigger stories that just never come. Frankly their approach feels more like a series of publicity stunts in order to try to convince people that Overwatch definitely has a story but they don't put any real effort into maintaining an actual plot. They could run like 5 concurrent regularly released comics, a TV show, and a story mode for the game all without much overlap if they really wanted. But that's too hard.

[@princesscadance197]

I actually never knew Kaplan was originally against the idea of forcing an (inorganic) esport scene from Overwatch, assuming he genuinely believed that and wasn't just saying that as a coverup being a corporate puppet. This entire time, I thought Kaplan was just the face, the disguise, the veneer of the Overwatch team. Someone to input information into to have it spoken to a camera. I guess he genuinely did care about the game.

[@cl1cka]

And when you realize Kaplan left cause he couldn't take the the Blizz/Activision shitstorm anymore (see the legal lawsuits) and it was taking a toll on him to protect the whole team from the lunatics in Activision/Blizz......

[@six2289]

he cared.. he cared so much. he couldnt take any of the drama going on to the point where he was completely driven away along with the companies passion, the community, and the devs keeping this game alive

[@SammEater]

Kaplan left Blizzard for the same reasons Houser left Rockstar, the corporate suits backing the studios are going in a totally different direction from the people actually making those games. Expect more AAA companies to go down this route.

[@gacktdirge17]

Kaplan litterally created the concept from Titan rework that would become Overwatch. Of course he cared a lot wtf.

[@Kanashi_9]

"Jeff Kaplan was a hero. I just couldn't see it" ~ spider-man 2(2004)

[@adriangamezmaldonado7569]

I don't remember any other game that made me feel like Overwatch: at first everything was great and eventually everything was frustrating. There was a time when I just wanted to unlock the gold skin for weapons, but I was scared to enter competitive mode because of how my "teammates" would react :v

[@jomama5935]

same i would be scared to play comp like i thought you had to be the best of the best to play

[@Ovalee]

Me too. The toxicity in general was so bad, can you imagine the toxicity towards women in the community? I can attest to it. People would pick on me for doing game-focused shotcalls, or creep on me. I just tried to play the game. And I witnessed so many other women who experienced it. The worst part? It didn’t matter when I spoke up, because no one would care about what women say unless a man stood up for them. I really hope people will treat women better in games going forward. It killed my OW experience for me, on top of everything.

[@jclive2860]

@@Ovalee holy fucking shit why are people so sensitive to toxicity? They’re literal WORDS. Just shrug it off as no big deal and you’ll be fine. You don’t know these strangers online. It’s not a big deal at all.

[@Ovalee]

@@jclive2860 the fact that you think words are so meaningless shows exactly why people just throw hateful words across the internet without realizing their consequences. there's a person behind every username. ignorance must be a bliss for you. there's only so much toxicity one can tolerate when you're surrounded by it everyday. if it was so simple, it wouldn't be a problem, would it? normalization of toxicity and sexism shouldn't justify people's actions, but there's no point trying to prove to you that it's a problem when there's a clear difference in our perspectives and empathy. have a good day, stranger on the internet.

[@trihexa3024]

@@jclive2860 not everyone's a desensitized "big boy" like you

[@purplehaze2358]

Can we take a moment to appreciate that its biggest source of inspiration, TF2, outlived it despite being fucking INFESTED by aimbots?

[@user-wo5tc9ux7u]

Overwatch is still alive, who even plays tf2

[@purplehaze2358]

@@user-wo5tc9ux7u A lot of people, actually.

[@FamilyTeamGaming]

@@user-wo5tc9ux7u One of the most played games on Steam, during the pandemic it even smashed its concurrent player record quite a few times despite being nearly a decade past its prime.

[@user-wo5tc9ux7u]

@@FamilyTeamGaming overwatch more popular

[@selimtrev720]

@@user-wo5tc9ux7u I’ve seen a lot of Overwatch videos recently that barely even reach 10,000 views, TF2 on the other hand has an average of 100,000 views recently so Overwatch isn’t as popular as TF2 anymore.

[@TrueCarthaginian]

"Toxicity" wouldn't have been an issue if they didn't limit your ability to avoid players.

[@PhoenixRipsPacks]

I think it's so stupid that U only can avoid three I encounter so many throwers just bad players and toxicity in a day

[@sEaNoYeAh]

Agree but so many would end up with hundreds of avoids and inevitably matchmaking would suffer. Of course if they had a *proper* ELO system it wouldn't be such a big deal.

[@Rezlusiowa]

Would also love to "avoid as an emeny"

[@DiscipleLevi]

I wished they had unlimited avoids for the day. Every 24 hours it resets.

[@sethwinters3556]

@@retrolinkx I remember that guy haha he had to literally prove to blizzard he wasn't cheating cuz he was so good

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I still remember the day the beta dropped like it was yesterday. All those nights staying up and blowing off schoolwork to no-life this game was worth it. It just feels nostalgic seeing this game now.

[@luckymstr5614]

Hi

[@aesie1229]

agreed this game was everything playing for hours and hours now i have no motivation to play it it’s just very boring

[@ChainsawGutsFuck]

Same, was so hype to run around the training area as Soldier:76 with friends, like "Holy shit we're playing Overwatch! It's almost out!" Then I'd play it most of the time, and would return after the odd hiatus... much like WoW, really. Now I don't play it at all.

[@g8le]

Yeah, no. It was a shitty game from the start.

[@user-xo7go4rr7g]

Summer 16’ is still the best summer of my life & part of that summer was this game.

[@vastayanvixen685]

This video also counts for Overwatch 2!

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

No I need more money

[@sammybutler3027]

@@nerdSlayerstudioss are you making the video right now? You wanna strike while the iron is hot, so to speak, make a video on it now while everyone is still talking about it

[@roblesgabe104]

​@@sammybutler3027 a liked comment, so take that as a yes

[@RoyaLotad]

Overwatch really is looking to be the first game to appear on this series twice...

[@mingusog7036]

There was a time where I legitimately considered OW as one of my favorite games of all time. Thousands of hours spent, all seasonal skins, emotes and highlight intros collected for the first couple years, tons of hours grinding ranked... Now its an official episode on Death of a Game. What happened, man.

[@kiradagenhearth3056]

@@buttsmcgee50 true

[@jspantonio8807]

The Game ain't dead bruh i still play it and find matches in 20 seconds

[@iancordero9431]

@@jspantonio8807 not if you want to play DPS lol

[@MrFoolD]

haven't gotten a new hero since 2020, haven't gotten a new map for competitive since 2019, other then repetitive events, no new significant updates was made for the game, i think that answers you're question why it's dead.

[@tokyongs5886]

@@jspantonio8807 the game is dead

[@malohn2068]

When a game goes for esport focus it just seems to die. When the devs focuses on balance around the top 1% of play then the rest suffers for it. Pro players don't care about fun, they do it for money so if a hero is shit according to them but does fine in casual play then they just don't play that hero.

[@Manglet762]

This seems to be what has driven me from For Honor. It used to be so much more slow compared to how it is now. Because of what some people referred to as "The Turtle Meta", where people played defensively and waited for their opponents to make mistakes since it was low risk and high reward, the devs basically changed the entire game to get rid of it. Through years of updates, basically every character now has faster attacks, unblockable mixups, dodge attacks, and HyperArmor. I played this game a lot, as in all day for weeks and months, and I NEVER fought against a Turtle Meta player. You know who was? **the top 1-10% of players**. So now the whole game is basically a much faster, arguably more mindless fighting game than how it was before for everyone else where light attack spam is a legitimate tactic because very few can consistently react to attacks that basically all take around 300MS to wind up and hit you on average. Light spam was a problem with around 3 Fighters on release, now it's something most if not every character can do. All to appease to top tier players.

[@bounphithakphithak6949]

Wow this is basically R6S too (or at least a while back)

[@atom356]

The hero’s that were added and hero changes that took place were because of the silver/ gold players In the forums. Put the place in a horrible place. If they would have listened to the pros or high Elo community and exacted changes faster, than this game would still have players/viewers

[@dijango0015]

I 9lay star craft 2, and League of legends, and ins star craft 2 you can really feel the difference in balancing, cause i get destroyed by Things that are Medium to bad in pro play. And i would really want to see a game where stats of characters or units change as you climb through the ranks. I am not saying that this is a good idea or that it would actually work, but i would like to see the result. Maybe it sucks and is the worst idea ever, or maybe it enhances the fun for casual players while keeping pro play balanced, and casual players are keeping games alive, not the top 100 all games are balanced around.

[@llamagangstar8760]

@@Manglet762 i agree, i think it felt more realistic as well and fun, now everything is so overly fast, I'm fine playing like that but i think its hard for new players

[@KrazzyKelsie]

Dam you was right. Overwatch 2 reforged disappointed.

[@manasik6108]

oh boy cant wait for OW2 video

[@308473mb]

The worst thing is that whenever I see an OW video, I want to go back to playing it. But the moment you load into a game, you get greeted by toxicity and a meta so stale, you'd rather starve than eat the shit they got on offer. It's mindboggling how a game like OW could be treated so for years and years on end, to end the way it did. Mismanagement and incompetence are the two words that come to my mind, but management will say 'look at all the profits' and consider that a job well done.

[@MichaelA-lp5kh]

everytime i have the urge to play ow, i have to look at the update button on the launcher and remember why i stopped playing

[@VesperAegis]

Strange, the toxicity is certainly ever-present but it really doesn't stop me from enjoying it. I have yet to find another game with a similar offering in terms of the core gameplay loop/elements: Each character completely fleshed out in terms of moves and mobility, relatively good balance, incredible and beautiful maps and symmetry keeping things local instead of spending 5 minutes to hunt down a battle royale enemy, no insta-kills unlike may other shooters so you must take your time to strategize, and incredibly stable and consistent hitboxes/latency. My only complaint is the lack of updates and maps which they're not doing for obvious reasons, but it's still probably the best game in its class/genre. No other game gives me the same unique feeling where switching a character feels almost like playing a completely different shooter simply because the skills and movements and characterization are so fleshed out.

[@YTAnalyzed]

I stick to playing mystery heroes once a week, and it never seems to get old. no one takes it seriously to be toxic, and there is no meta. Every game is very different

[@VesperAegis]

@@YTAnalyzed Yup, similar with Quick Play Classic to a certain extent. Ranked gets extraordinarily toxic though. Good idea though, hadn't played much Mystery Heroes.

[@anintruder4037]

@@VesperAegis tf2 is pretty good... if you forget about the bots

[@ShrinkhalBhushan]

Oh man I loved this game so much . Really didn't wanna see a death of a game on ow

[@mestre12]

same here. I played alot when it came out.

[@Zarzar22]

Most likely he did it because Overwatch 2 is coming soon. If that game does well then this is his last chance to release a video like this. And if it does poorly, then he can release a SECOND video to cap that one off. Just smart by him to make one so by the time OW2 comes around he can possibly cover it again or at least have made his moneys worth from this one

[@krypto051]

@Mr Jayboo So true, the game is nowhere near death, even Heroes of the Storm is still active, but barely developed, so it deserves a spot. But Overwatch??

[@theoandernack8427]

I'll keep playing it when i'm in the mood anyway :)

[@FrogWalrus]

I hate this game and always have =)

[@poselantic]

This video getting on my recommended page today is so... on point.

[@marcedoreste]

Man, can't wait for Death of a game: Overwatch 2 and in a few years Death of a game: Overwatch 3 Reforged

[@jeffneinenstein5923]

It’s crazy to me how many hero shooters have come out since TF2, and yet, as you said, it still chugs along in the background. TF2, despite not having a major update in over 4 years, has outlived most major hero shooters, and the community still stands by it. Not to mention TF2’s impact on the gaming landscape has been just as significant as Overwatch, with many people even asking Nintendo to add the Heavy to Super Smash Bros. (albeit with little success). And to think that Overwatch was not only compared to, but expected to surpass it. It’s actually really sad too, since I loved the art style and character diversity of Overwatch.

[@SnivyTries]

Now if only I could find a single public match that didn't have six name-stealing bots

[@jsc315]

It's all the hats

[@GodwynDi]

@BC J Which would work fine if Blizzard just supplied steady content.

[@whitegoose2017]

​@BC J I believe a good word for Overwatch is oversaturation. Too many characters. The game is a mess because of that. Does anyone think that when DOTA2 or League of Legends release a new character that they're actually adding content? Well, sure that's content, but I wouldn't really define it as good content. It's more of a nod from the company that they know the game is getting stale, so they're spicing it up the only way they know how. For example, whenever Valve spices up CS:GO they release a new boring operation with missions that are a chore to do and new microtransactions like skins, so on.

[@cxmb]

@BC J you know, it is funny you mention the "Saturday cartoon" art style, because that was one of the reasons that kept me from getting OW in the first place. Every time then released a new hero I was like -oh wow that looks a bit TOO kiddy friendly for my taste, not really my cup of tea-. And since I've been playing (still do) TF2 from 2012, couldn't help to compare art styles and just lean even more towards the slightly dark yet relatable humor from the latter

[@llrmo]

Overwatch toxicity was definitely different from most games. I really enjoy toxic COD, halo etc lobbies. No matter how much vile shit was being said everyone would just forget about it immediately after the match, but overwatchs' toxicity had grown men on the verge of tears for a teammate not switching to a better hero. It was honestly just sad lol

[@toobig7150]

The only other 2 games where i see this level of toxic waste: LoL and Dota2. You see people there going borderline insane, in halo, all of that trashtalk and banter can even lead to Friendships because all and all its just that, banter, but in OW-LoL-Dota you see people really hating each other. Funny thing that all of those 3 games are teamwork focused and with little to no variation on gameplay besides the hero/champion you use.

[@GreatNegus]

Toxicity is still toxicity. You may be able to bear it, but there are people that get really worn out from that shit and can drop the game entirely. This is why groups like women feel so alienated from gaming. Smack talk is fine in the right place but there's a difference between that and "vile shit".

[@Meitti]

@@GreatNegus Internet is a giant public toilet wall, if theres a chat in any service, its bound to have "toxicity" in it similarly how public toilet walls are bound to have a lot of profanity scribbles and genitals, doesn't matter how many times they get cleaned they come back. Thats why those mute- and block buttons exist. There is no way to remove toxicity without completely crippling people's ability to communicate with each other. Hence why people should just adapt the mindset of treating internet chat boxes as public toilet wall. Its pointless to get upset and let worthless scribblings on a toilet wall ruin your day, why do that with online chat? The chat loudmouths are equally worthless.

[@GreatNegus]

@@Meitti Yeah, but on the other hand, we could all stand to clean up our act a little. That's why I said there's a difference between smack talk and genuinely vile shit. I have nothing against harmless talking shit, but I don't condone it once it goes too far and I call it out when I hear it. I'm not saying we should censor the fuck out of everything, but we shouldn't just give a lazy "don't let it bother you" type excuse. There's a middle ground to this. It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.

[@Meitti]

​@@GreatNegus We could all become nice, end all wars, grab each others hands and sing kumbayah, sure. But thats not what reality is, thats not how world works. Which is why people have to grow a thicker skin because theres no other option. Internet is a sewer for the same reason a busy street wall is full of graffiti or why a public toilet wall is full of scribbled obscenities. China has an entire ancient history with Dazibao posters and walls dedicated for them. And majority of all those Dazibao were written obscenities or talking shit about their neighbours. Similarly a tavern wall in Pompeii ruins buried under the obsidian dust is filled with dirty carvings and shit talk. The middle ground you suggest already exists, theyre called the Mute- and Block buttons. Better yet Dedicated Servers because players can govern those themselves the same way they can govern a Discord group. Going on a campaign to "make people nicer online" is a fool's errand, like standing in a shoreline and trying to tell the water not touch your toes.

[@mickgamehome]

It is time to watch this video

[@H0urg1ass]

I have NEVER had a game that I came into with so much enjoyment and left with so much bitterness and disappointment. The first two years this game was out, I couldn't get enough. Hours of enjoyment every night, just a total blast. But into the third year, the game really started to lose it's shine. By the fourth year it was so toxic that I could barely stomach being in a match that was losing. It was the biggest cliff I've ever fallen off of in a game, and I eventually sold my account and never touched it again. I NEVER do that. I always go back to a game at some point after cooling off, but Overwatch was so toxic that I never went back again after 2018. Not even one time just to take a peek and see how things were. The bad memories of the last three months are so burned into my head that I wouldn't waste the time to download it again.

[@KopperNeoman]

That's what happens when you crack down on trash talk. Without bants, there's no community spirit. And I don't think it's incompetence. If people actually get hurt due to your draconian crackdowns, you can justify more crackdowns.

[@realtalk13]

Honestly, the issue was one of a confused philosophy. The devs couldn't decide whether they wanted OW to be casual game, easy for anyone of any skill level to pick up and play, getting immediate value out of just picking a character; or a competitive game where mechanical skill, game sense, and team comp ruled the day. The two philosophies don't really mesh: if you maximize the former, then you'd focus more on playing up the zaniness of character abilities, wacky team comps, and individual player satisfaction. If you maximize the latter, then you need much more predictability and uniformity of team comps, character abilities, and regular balances to make sure no one character or synergy is too strong. The dev team kept trying to have its cake and eat it too, which left everyone upset. The sad part is that before the content freeze, there was still time for OW to streamline. The fanbase was still pretty dedicated because there weren't that many direct competitors to draw them away at the time. But we all know how Act-Blizz fumbled that horribly and here we are.

[@tomlink5784]

Tf2 found the balance somehow though so.

[@AJX-2]

Outside the genre, I think smash bros hits this balance well

[@ckorp666]

@@tomlink5784 imo tf2 did irreparable damage with meet the match when they got caught up trying to eat overwatch's lunch with a more CompetitiveTM matchmaking. before you'd have a bunch of official servers with the standard drop-in drop-out structure that would run a map for 20-30min then continue on rotation. now, you spend half your game time in loading screens between 2 lightspeed rolls into map switch. you dont get to adapt to enemies or learn the map in any depth, you dont get to try a million different weird sentry spots or mix up your defensive strategies, you dont get to build a repor w/people. nah. two rounds, fk you, bye. go chase that cheap levelup dopamine rush. (not to mention this structure makes it way easier for bots to consume ur entire game's official server network)

[@TheAtomoh]

Same shit happened at the release of Destiny 2. Activision Blizzard wanted a second game, and they wanted it casual-focused, and so they fucked up everything. Many people left the game, and now when someone names Destiny 2 or just Destiny, they would reply "Trash game" or "stop playing this garbage game".

[@Absolute_Zero7]

Honestly I don't think this is necessarily true. If you've ever played Dota 2, you'd know that despite it definitely falling much farther onto the competitive side of the Casual-Competitive spectrum than most other esports, it still manages to have some of the most insane and wacky hero designs compared to its peers. At the end of the day what makes a game competitive isn't how streamlined the mechanics of the game are or how simple the numbers are, but rather each individual mechanic and how it interacts with the rest of the game. For me personally, the biggest issue holding Overwatch back is that the way it tries to combine MOBAs with TF2 simply doesn't work, and it leads to madness in the overall game design. On paper, the way games like TF2 are supposed to work is that each character is meant to accommodate a very specific niche that allows you to quickly swap classes and deal with whatever situation you have found yourself in. Need to break a choke and give your team some breathing room by picking off some players? Get a sniper. Need extra healing? Get some more medics. MOBAs like Dota 2 and Lol on the other hand have their heroes designed on the presumption that you're going to be playing these characters over the duration of the entire match, and mechanics like the drafting stage are a way to strategically manipulate what heroes you and your enemies are playing that can dictate a match. Heroes are generally more designed to be generalists and to fulfill a specific role over the duration of a game. What Overwatch does is it sort of tries to flipflop between both styles of design and ends up failing miserably. The game wants you to be able to freely switch characters when the situation requires, however the ultimate system that punishes you for switching characters too much. Ultimates in Overwatch have the power to dictate the game almost in their entirely, however the only way to get an ultimate is to play the same character over an extended period of time without switching. The end result is that the most effective way is to pick the more generalist characters that can accomplish as much as they can without the need to switch. This results in metas like the Tank Meta and GOATS where you just have both teams picking the same heroes because its the safest way to play the game that minimizes the chance that you need to switch team compositions. So now you have a game where like a MOBA, people are incentivized to keep playing the same heroes for as long as possible, however there is no way to dictate the match and control what's available with a drafting phase like in Lol/Dota/Paladins. The end result is a confused mess where the same heroes get picked over and over again which decreases variety and encourages staleness in the meta. Honestly what OW should've done is just picked one style of design and went all in. If they wanted to focus on heroes and their abilities, do something similar to paladins and lock the available heroes on an initial drafting phase. If they wanted hero switching and specialization, remove the ultimate system and focus on what heroes bring in the moment to moment gameplay. You simply cannot have both if you wish to be competitive.

[@chronotrigger6746]

I have said this since the WoW:Frozen Throne days: Blizzard is the master at making an amazing IP and gamer experience, and then slowly morphing it into nothing more than a husk of its one-time greatness. They have done this time and time again.

[@RedGunnerguy]

That, not true. Blizzard was amazing , the morphing happened under Activision-Blizzard. Just about everyone who was part of the Blizzard you remember is no longer there.

[@unhaix707]

I quit WoW about a week before cataclysm. i just saw the idea of grinding to get max level characters and running shitloads of dungeons to get geared out AGAIN as just too much. seeing where wow went as a game and blizz as a company i made the right choice at the right time, but man those were good days.

[@piramidedigiza9757]

Sorry Chrono Trigger, couldn't hear you before

[@GeminiOrion9]

@@angamaitesangahyando685 Activision had a lot to do with making Blizzard focus more on making as much money with as little effort as possible, which is standard for triple AAA studios. Business optimizations for the largest bottom line at the cost of everything else. Not to mention the horrid PR catastrophes that they swept under the rug. Activision turned Blizzard from a passion company into a gristmill for short term gain.

[@Trenz0]

Lol you mean WoW: wrath of the lich king. Frozen throne was the WC3 expansion I actually got confused for a second

[@truthfuldig794]

Unfortunately, Overwatch 2 is gonna have its own video soon enough

[@blakty2]

Part 2 when?

[@TheTheFrankiestein]

2016-2018 overwatch was my escape from reality. so many friends i have met and so many memories. i miss those days so much. Everything was beautiful

[@megamanmegamanmegamanmegam8725]

2018 was the year where I play overwatch until in 2019 I stop playing overwatch, all thanks to newer games that cause me to barely play that game While I still would never like the toxicity in that game even when it comes to playing in quickplay too..

[@enriqueb1476]

Hope things are going good with u but I agree life in general was better 2016

[@dersauresgeber6028]

I loved Overwatch from the beginning. I loved Rein, DVA and Hog. Tankmain all the way. I met people there that I occasionally go on vacation with, some of my very best friends. Overwatch and the otherwise crappy community lost me to PUBG.

[@12me91]

Same here..my and my best bros played every day for over a year. I still check it from.time.to time for the lols but man it's just not the same

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

was weary when they started getting political starting with nerfing tracers assets.

[@donovan5656]

I used to love this game. Then they wouldn’t stop changing/nerfing my favorite characters. And those heavy loss penalties definitely didn’t help

[@ven5707]

The tracer genji meta was a lot more fun than the meta turning into tanks and healers

[@lissaquon607]

Oh lord - coming back after a long break and find out that your main has been changed/nerfed/ reclassified and you have to learn a whole new strategy. Not really a fun thing for a casual shooter.

[@Lunamana]

I feel like the biggest issue with OW that i haven't seen anyone talk about in the comments section is their nerf focused balance. It's horrible to play a character for so long and have them be unplayable to you in a single patch. Moving to another hero because 'they're stronger' is one thing, losing your favorite hero because they suck now is a much worse feeling. Combined with heal/tank meta being the only viable comp it sounds like it really sucks for casual players now. (Haven't played in years, but i do miss playing mercy and d.va from time to time)

[@afonsomarcelino830]

As a former semi pro player i can tell you Goats meta followed by the forced roles killed the game, went from one of the funnest games to a slog fest where every game high diamond up was the same. Also getting that one random you get every 2-3 games, who for some reasons hates you and forces you to lose or single focus you was real bad

[@Black-Knight007]

Waiting for death of Overwatch 2 PVE mode.

[@WC3fanatic997]

"The porn scene that sprung out of nowhere . . ." You cant say you honestly didn't see that coming . . . right? I mean, with such a _diverse_ cast of characters, there's truly a *_flavor_* for everyone.

[@italianinsanity397]

even with three types of ROBOT, killer, tank, and killer with a smiley face drawn on (:

[@tatfly5779]

You know funny thing is some of the art was funded by blizz they just backtracked when they got caught.

[@megieza3727]

Creepy choice of words

[@DecisionsRQuestionable]

i would like plain vanilla please

[@glutymaximusy866]

@@DecisionsRQuestionable More of a chocolate chip kinda guy (do freckles count as chocolate chip?)

[@KunLunKungFu]

Man...I was a diehard fan of Overwatch. Got it on release, met some friends I still talk to till this day. And it's just...so depressing watch it go down this route, with all of the characters I loved going with it.

[@erikhenderson3380]

Game was better in beta and I think that is the craziest thing about OW.

[@swoomann]

this aged well lol.

[@aj2468]

Go and and start making “death of overwatch 2” have it on my desk by the end of the month bud

[@Fubukio]

**yeets opponents off cliff as Reinhardt** Ah, a true fellow Reinhardt player.

[@sadko8927]

Ah i just yeeted wrecking ball off of Paris

[@Luneward]

One of my favorite memories was at the end of a match and we were pushing objective onto the end point. I charged a bastion off a cliff - with me along with it. All the people who were with me on voice chat thought it was hillarious.

[@Shinio69]

Thing that killed OW for me was Blizzard wanting their Esport instead of having fun chill game. Instead of adding new maps, new heroes, new modes like CTF, team deatmatch, king of the hill etc. Blizz was working on OW league and even wanted players to watch streams instead of playing game for some extra lootboxes. They wasted too much money and energy on something playerbase didn't give a shit.

[@GruntKF]

Tale as old as time when it comes to these big publishers lol they always waste time and $ on things the community never asked for

[@shaginus]

More like they don't know How to maintain an Esports scene There are clearly more game success on Esports without needing majority of player base to give shit (LoL, DotA, CS GO) Their Ego are high enough to not learning from other games

[@RantKid]

CTF was amazing. WTF ever happened to that mode.

[@gungrave10]

@@shaginus Yep, it seems like they don't know how to balance their game.

[@OnSchoolyard]

The league was actually a completely different team entirely, now there was a point where the patches were catering to top tier play. You guys actually have no clue who ran anything. 🤣

[@Fjerid]

I am grateful that I have experienced OW in her glorious years. RIP Overwatch 2016-2018

[@Dat_Jonx]

2019*

[@claytopolis]

Just announced: Overwatch 1 will be dead officially on october 2nd. then all that will remain is overwatch 2, and i dont have high hopes on that lasting.

[@ZoobleZi]

Why not it's looking far superior to 1

[@princetchalla2441]

About that bro, how's it looking now?

[@claytopolis]

@@princetchalla2441 come back to me in 4 years. see if it lasts as longer than the first.

[@teratoma.]

imagine if they went tf2's route and developed map tools, modding tools and community dedicated servers.... the game would remain huge and so would their earnings from mtx

[@sasaki8765]

This is true, also. Their iron grip over the IP at all costs and refusal to allow anything except exactly what they wanted for us slowly killed the game from the start. Hell, I feel like this is true of MANY games now. I wouldn't be surprised if the next elder scrolls game basically banned modding for some crappy in-house version.

[@707upsidedown]

@@sasaki8765 This is a massive, if not the only reason, for TF2s continued life. If elder scrolls turns out that way, I'm personally not going to get it. Games are becoming a husk what they once were

[@WrinklyCastle]

Yea, modding tools would have been perfect for the game. I remember in the early days of Overwatch I saw so many fans making concepts for new characters, skins for existing oned and some people even made custom maps in third party software. If Blizzard allowed those people to add their custom content to the game then it definitely would have never had a content drought.

[@3adir_]

@@sasaki8765 Bethesda will never ban modding, they have said multiple times that modding is a core part of their games. They are even building new modding tools for their upcoming game starfield

[@otakucouture]

But they did add that, it was called overwatch workshop or something but people made their own games and maps

[@Meitti]

Just before COVID I was in a meeting with several social worker colleagues, focusing on therapy methods of teaching game industry related stuff like animation, game development to people with issues. One of these departments had its own esports training rooms aimed for teenagers and young adults. Organizer started talking about their 3 different teams, one for LoL, one for CS, one for Overwatch. During a coffee break I asked her if Blizzard is giving them any trouble. She answered with a long sigh and yes, apparently any suggestions for friendly unofficial tournaments were off-limits and all her suggestions for social Overwatch gaming events shot down. It was either the franchise-way or the highway. Which killed any real Overwatch scene outside the US instantly. So the Overwatch playing group of teens were doomed. In comparison she had no issues assembling a CS-related LAN tournament whatsoever, thanks to Valve's hands-free approach which ironically is more community- and esports friendly way of handling things. How could Blizzard expect any organic growth for Overwatch esports scene if they were basically denying their fans the right to hold their own events and tournaments? Its like if FiFa would go and confiscate local schools soccer ball and then expect youngsters to be excited about soccer.

[@Darkplasma26]

I know some people may not agree with me but Overwatch is EASILY my most nostalgic games. Playing the events with buddies, getting those legendary skins and opening event loot boxes hoping for that one skin you want. And let’s not forget the competitive scene, so hype and fun to watch. What a time to be alive. RIP you damn masterpiece of a game! You will be missed 💔

[@NightingaleSunset]

I loved overwatch for almost 4 years, But eventually I broke my disk in two in frustration and have never returned. I learned in that game, That sometimes the excentricities of a game make it special. Overwatch had brought friends that were never into hitscan based twitch shooters together with my more Cod based friends. They could play characters like vanilla mercy or Symmetra and feel like they where both competitors and didnt have to be deadly accurate. It was really special to play a game online with mostly pve or single player friends. You could tell that the game was balanced from a fundamental level for the basic 21 heroes it shipped with. wish it had stayed true to it

[@evoke2976]

Exactly! The whole game even the maps were made to compliment the original heroes.

[@NightingaleSunset]

@Godrick the Grafted it was not my finest hour, and I regret it. Its the reason I never bought another copy.

[@SchwartzSchnee]

@Godrick the Grafted ice cold take

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

Yeah, I honestly think adding characters is what killed the game. They clearly can not properly balance a game with new variables that they haven't tested rigorously before, and adding more and more kept compounding that issue. Then all the attempted "fixes" came and you know the rest. I think they 100% could have kept Overwatch alive and well with cosmetics, shorts, maybe even an Arcane style full scale movie. It could have bred a new franchise if they had just kept it simple and given people more of what they already loved. Oh well.

[@rubyjohn]

Never thought I could see Overwatch be added into the death of game series. What a great video! Sad story, but I totally enjoy it

[@cosmic4942]

@Mr Jayboo But it isnt popular. Nobody talks about this game anymore. And the last big update was like 2 years ago

[@fluffywolfo3663]

@@cosmic4942 and at the very least, I think we can all agree Overwatch is NOT the juggernaut it once was.

[@fluffywolfo3663]

@Mr Jayboo will it, though? Will it erase my knowledge of everything actiblizz has done, like how that one employee stole breast milk?

[@Bustermachine]

@@fluffywolfo3663 I think the question is, how many prospective players actually pay attention to the ActiBlizz scandal? I think we often overestimate how much people pay attention or care. I mean, just to give a comparison, the number of people who pay attention to congress (I mean really pay attention, know the top ten big names, etc) is alarmingly small, and their tangible power over our lives is much greater and more pervasive than ActiBlizz. I would be very unsurprised if a lot of casual players are barely aware of the awful disclosures that are coming out about Blizzard as a work place and simply assume the headlines relate purely to financial crimes committed by the highers ups. And the top tier competitive gamers, the ones where this forms their livelihood, are going to choose whatever game is offering the best deal for their time and abilities. I mean, I get where you're coming from, and I agree. I just don't think it's going to influence things as much as it ought to.

[@clydecraft5642]

Good

[@arcturus64]

time for "the death of Overwatch2's PVE"

[@AlonXIII]

So when are getting a part 2?

[@0uttaS1TE]

It feels ironic (is that even the right word for this situation?) that this game is the single biggest reason for why so many games on your series died. And now it's here. Not because a game surpassed it but because it got too big for its boots.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Very apropos

[@mestre12]

maybe its poetic its here.

[@actuallynotsteve]

Honestly I feel like the design got it so far away from what it originally was that it died. Not sure that OWL was actually as bad as it seems. Development stopping years ago killed this game.

[@GbrBy]

The circle of life is complete

[@HingleMcCringleberryPSU]

Yeah more of a funny coincidence. There are a few different kinds of irony and they depend on the form (written, verbal, situational). But generally irony is when something is *deliberately contradictory* to what one expects, often used in the context of something that defeats its own purpose by trying to achieve that purpose - think of an ambulance running over a pedestrian, or abstinence-only sex education resulting in more teenage pregnancies.

[@fiendish9474]

The overwatch porn scene despite Blizzard's efforts to curb it is still one of the best out there with consistently good quality

[@matteobesho]

Spitting out facts

[@RinLockhart]

You're right

[@captain5104]

Lol...OW porn will outlast the game itself XD

[@ShootingStar1313]

All thanks to the diversity of its heroes, as stated by NerdSlayer at 5:06

[@paulgibbon5991]

It also has more lore and character development.

[@Oppetsismiimsitsitc]

Time to do Death of a Game: Overwatch 2.

[@sebastianzurita2741]

Bro it didn’t even die yet a lot of people still play it it’s still very popular

[@wolverine9049]

Hot take I'm enjoying 2

[@T2NAF]

yeah ow2 is smashing it right now, but you can sense a lot of frustration with balancing

[@sonicjohnson2760]

Ah yes ow2 the game with the most poorest balancing, p2w heroes, lack of maps, lack luster events and more

[@zaphodlucs]

you can start writing the script for overwatch 2 already btw

[@IllusionistsBane]

Is it that bad? The only things I heard about it are the Battlepass controversy, Sally Amaki as Kiriko, and the DDoS right after launch which apparently affects Console players a lot more than PC.

[@zaphodlucs]

@@IllusionistsBane its not bad per si, the game still very fun to play, specially with friends, but nothing changed about the competitive side of things. it's just a casual shooter. a very good and fun and functional one, so i hope they lean into that more. i fear the game might suffer the same fate as the first for this. and its the same game, if they sold this one would be a incredible cashgrab, no significant changes AT ALL, its very apparent, and this might turn people down as well.

[@IllusionistsBane]

@@zaphodlucs It's an update sold as a sequel, isn't it? I have no idea why they don't just update Overwatch 1. Maybe because of the change from 6v6 to 5v5.

[@Dat_Jonx]

@@IllusionistsBane with new monetization, without whaling it gets boring really fast.

[@Hanakin-Sidewalker]

I’m not exaggerating this when I say that I loved Overwatch so much. When I started playing back in 2016, it was unlike any game that I had played before, it being the first FPS I got into. I loved the lore, the mechanics & gameplay, everything. I didn’t even mind the loot boxes that much because obtaining them was easy when I was just having fun with my mates. My enjoyment carried long into 2020 and even made it to Diamond as a Tank in competitive. Slowly, though, it started getting stale and the magic faded. I started getting locked in loops where I would perpetually earn and lose SR at the same rate. Competitive became a grind. The events were just getting rehashed. There were no new cinematics. Blizzard basically pulled the plug on Overwatch to spend three years working on OW2, which, judging by the gameplay trailers, is the exact same game as OW. It’s such a damn shame that it was forced down that path. Overwatch will never be the same.

[@AdderTude]

Overwatch's longevity likely would've been preserved had they made PvE content (i.e. a campaign) from the beginning.

[@d__x2555]

Exactly my experience

[@Arcademan09]

I would like to remind everyone that the ENTIRE TIME Overwatch 1 was out the """story""" DID NOT MOVE beyond Winston calling for heroes to join him. OW 2 starts with them (Winston, Tracer and Mei) going on a mission. So all that time spent on nothing, it's like "ok NOW the real game begins!"

[@TheDoughboy1917]

That always gets me. OW 1 should've just been about the organization in its prime. Almost the entirety of the story points told in OW 1 are flashbacks or people reminiscing about the past. I also don't think it helps that the Overwatch: First Strike graphic novel ended up getting dumped, it probably would've at least given us an established history.

[@36inc]

Thats if you consider the story the real game. I think of all of ow1 set up like a getting the team together portion of a heist film. Its alot of back story stuff. Tbf the flashbacks to stuff was nice to flush out some characters.

[@Arcademan09]

@@36inc right but none of the flashbacks are available in the game unless you just happened to play during an event, yeah it's all online but the story is a mess to follow, I hate this garbage trend of all this important backstory that matters yet you have to move AWAY from the game to experience it, like why

[@MefoWho]

@@36inc Riot took 6 years or so to create Arcane. Correct me if im wrong but we havent seen hanzo lore move since the "Dragons" short, which was 6 years ago.

[@Sorrowdusk]

Didn't Hanzo/Genji meet up? And new leaders join Talon?

[@rukus7661]

I watch plenty of videos like these but the concept and approach you took with the whole detective ideas was really original

[@ArulinETheKirin]

Now Overwatch is trully dead. They shut down Overwatch not with a bang but a whimper....

[@theunariggsarchives]

It makes me really sad to see Overwatch on the brink of complete death. Every time I hear the iconic music, I get super nostalgic of Overwatch from 2017-early 2019. For the whole of those 3 years, I played the game almost non-stop. I wasn’t very good, but it was fun, and it gave me the skill required to move on to other games such as Fortnite and Apex Legends. I wish for a miracle to happen, where the game just comes back from the dead and is magically fun again, but I think we pretty much all no that no such miracle is even possible.

[@vukkulvar9769]

You need to get rid of Blizzard upper management and shitty workers for that magic to happen.

[@Renjizero]

@@vukkulvar9769 its the fact that we drained the game by playing it so much, its like eating your favorite food everyday. the first time experience wont come back

[@marlikbudvergard]

@@Renjizero agreed

[@mattgonzales3994]

started playing it again recently. and you know what? I still have fun with it. And while the toxicity never goes away with any online gaming, I find this less than most. LoL is the most toxic ridiculousness i've ever seen. yet...still there. Titan-fall 2 is one of the best multiplayer games i've ever played...despite the would be Time of Death, that game still preservers. I won't deny it has it's problems, but literally EVERY game does. I don't know about Blizzard itself, but I still have faith in this game. Heroes never die.

[@Howthetoastcrumbled]

If tf2 can survive after so many assassination attempt by valve. I doubt overwatch will fully die

[@chewyrocks]

This is so sad because I FELL IN LOVE with Overwatch. I bought several merch; the nendoroids, the figmas, the lego sets, the art books. I really loved OW, the world and its characters, I really wanted it to be the next big thing. Its too bad the game's quality couldn't keep up as the years go by.

[@ishanshah4904]

I'm in the same boat, it really hurts. But actually playing it hurts even more.

[@usernameluis305]

Youre such a consumerist bru

[@onelongwordable]

@@usernameluis305 astute, if a bit harsh

[@yesman9792]

Overwatch, Titanfall 2, and Battlefield 1. What a good time.

[@Chronoir3]

*overwatch 2 REFORGED* Edit : NEVER played overwatch

[@koshkamatew]

It's pretty sad to acknowledge, but every game will end up like this in the end. Some come back from the dead, some come back straight to the top, but some stay dead once and for all

[@last5902]

Yup, games like ff14 online, went from disastrous launch so bad to a game played so much they had to stop sales just so people could play and its an mmo.

[@CuteLittleLily]

And tf2 still alive with a raft on the pacific sea while valve did nothing to rescue it. Remember when people said OW will kill TF2? What a plot twist

[@TheDJMeyer85]

One game that I think has defied that is Rocket League. I love that game and have played it since the beginning, with some extended breaks here and there, but recently got back into it again. I think what really helps it is it’s a simple game that any skill level can play but and usually have fun. But you can also get really good at it too

[@pcppbadminton]

TF2 is on a raft built by its fantastic and creative community. Valve has been more or less AWOL for years except for the occasional theme week, but they were very generous about the availability of mod/content creation tools right from the start, something Activision will never understand. Almost a decade now and it's still plodding along with an ever-so-slightly increasing player base. Overwatch was never really a threat to TF2, they have very different audiences IMO. The screen in Overwatch is way too busy, most fights are just a blur of colours, some floating numbers and white noise. You can have a 12v12 TF2 server and get a better idea of what's happening. It also had way too many heroes to ever have anything close to balance, and then they kept adding more because content for the hell of it. But you know what? I'm sure they still squeezed enough money out of it to turn a tidy profit.

[@KoloXD]

every game in the past 10ish years*

[@alangator4744]

I was searching for this video a few days ago. How convenient of you to release it

[@RUDY-COLEMAN]

"I find comfort, listening to people confirm my opinions"

[@alangator4744]

@@RUDY-COLEMAN exactly