[DEBATE] Are Muslims and Ahmadis part of the same religion?

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Debaters: Sadat Anwar (MDI Canada) and Ansar Raza (Ahmadi-Qadiani missionary)
December 19, 2013-- Toronto, Canada
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@dryousuf7106
@dryousuf7106 5 жыл бұрын
I am really impressed by Mr Sadaat and could not help admiring him. May he live long.
@islamrising5045
@islamrising5045 10 жыл бұрын
I was at the debate and honestly no one can honestly deny Sadat winning the debate. One has to be extremely biased to say otherwise. Sadat did a very smart thing by proving that they MUST consider us NON MULIMS based on Quran and based on Mirza Gulaam Ahmad himself and based on their previous Kulafa.... even based on Ansar Raza's previous statement on his radio program... thus we can't be brothers in faith... Ansar never challenged any of these !!! His silence spoke loudly.... Ahmadiz are very well organized, very well behaved in general and honestly very good hosts, no doubt. Most of them are unfortunate to be born in the families that belong to this new religion. So, lets not make comments that have the purpose of only hurting them. They are still our brothers in humanity. May Allah guide them towards truth.
@pakiiez
@pakiiez 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment tbh
@idolwrecker
@idolwrecker Жыл бұрын
Very well said brother 👍🏻
@Muhiz23
@Muhiz23 Жыл бұрын
@@idolwreckercan’t believe we are 9 years late to this wonderful comment
@MuhammadMuhammad-fx1gn
@MuhammadMuhammad-fx1gn 4 жыл бұрын
The host introduced Mr Anser Raza as Arabic expert but the way he read the holy Quraan, put question mark on his ability.
@Amir.Qureshi
@Amir.Qureshi 11 ай бұрын
I second that. I am an Arab and he didn’t even pronounce one letter correctly
@JohnSmith-hp7gt
@JohnSmith-hp7gt 8 жыл бұрын
The Sunni representative won the debate.
@cfrb
@cfrb 7 жыл бұрын
a muslim (sunnu) always wins no matter what the opponent is, atheist, christians, jews etc.
@zulqarnainhaider4739
@zulqarnainhaider4739 8 ай бұрын
​@@cfrbyes ALHAMDULILLAH qadyani are kafir
@mohammedqadeer8472
@mohammedqadeer8472 6 жыл бұрын
Yes my sunni bro killed it.
@HaarisK
@HaarisK Жыл бұрын
I hope this debate inspires a lot of the Ahmadis to return to their spiritual ancestral roots that are Deen e Islam 🙏
@syedramiz2239
@syedramiz2239 10 жыл бұрын
The hadith of Muhammad states that "My ummah will never agree upon an error" should be keep in mind. Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (4:2167), ibn Majah (2:1303), Abu Dawood, and others with slightly different wordings.
@coaching.worked
@coaching.worked 3 жыл бұрын
Brother Sadat is one of my favourite speakers, may Allah reward him abundantly.
@RajaBabu12174
@RajaBabu12174 3 жыл бұрын
Assalamualaikum brother Abbas.
@Nic-om7en
@Nic-om7en 3 жыл бұрын
He is a good debater but he is underrated
@birminghamshottaman
@birminghamshottaman 10 жыл бұрын
Mirza Ghulam's father in law, Mir Nasir Nawab, recorded in his autobiography: "The night his holiness fell ill, I was sleeping in my room. When his illness grew severe, they woke me up. I went over to his holiness and found him in great pain. He addressed me saying: 'I have been stricken with cholera.' After this, he did not utter a single intelligible and coherent word till he died on Monday, after ten O'clock in the morning." (Hayat-i-Nasir, P. 14)
@rumanajannat9909
@rumanajannat9909 3 жыл бұрын
Who is here after the scdawah live stream? May Allah reward that Canadian brother and guide us all to the truth Aameen. Brother Sadat completely smashed his opponent.
@ebrimajawneh6918
@ebrimajawneh6918 3 жыл бұрын
Me
@rizwanramzan5729
@rizwanramzan5729 6 жыл бұрын
This should not be 2 hr debate...at most a 5 minute debate... Anyone who denies Muhammad (saw) as THE LAST(Seal) Messenger/Prophet is a non-muslim...period!
@thepersond933
@thepersond933 4 жыл бұрын
That is a claim not a debate.
@joemckeown7064
@joemckeown7064 10 күн бұрын
@@thepersond933its a fact. To be a muslim you have to believe two things. 1 Allah is the only one worthy of worship. 2. Muhammad is the final messenger of Allah. They don’t believe the second therefore they are not muslims. Indisputable fact.
@1slamExplained
@1slamExplained 3 жыл бұрын
We can safely assume that the Muslim was not invited for a second debate 😆
@muslimemporium
@muslimemporium 4 жыл бұрын
The Sunni debater is like a Judo master on breaking the opponent's arguments, he uses the opponent's strength and uses their own literature turns them over on their own heads.
@devkhokhar
@devkhokhar 10 жыл бұрын
Ansar Raza more concentrating on issues amongst sunni's and shia's rather explaining his own stand on the topic or his believe.
@ukaragen
@ukaragen 10 жыл бұрын
Anybody who say there is other Nabi after Nabi Muhammad s.a.w is a kufar...very simple.. no need for any debate..
@purexqx
@purexqx 10 жыл бұрын
Not a Kafir, Kafir means those who oppose the straight path, rather call them wrong believers.
@ukaragen
@ukaragen 10 жыл бұрын
The straight path is to believe there is no Nabi after Nabi Muhammad s.a.w.. whoever say there is other Nabi after Muhammad s.a.w , they oppose the straight path..
@purexqx
@purexqx 10 жыл бұрын
The straight path isn't just to believe He is Nabi, but to believe and follow the words God revealed to him. God didn't send him just so people might believe he is a prophet. But he fought for the glorification of God. And Muhammad's (A.S) revelation is the words of the Lord. Remember Muhammad is just a messenger to teach to the straight path, it's Allah who is the Lord. It seems like you have taken Muhammad as your Lord. But however I don't believe Ahmad was a prophet or Messiah, I believe in the Quran where it says Muhammad is the last messenger of God. And this prophecy has been right, no prophets of God has come since 1400 years.
@ukaragen
@ukaragen 10 жыл бұрын
Albo King Did I say prophet Muhammad s.a.w is more than a messenger?..dont put your words into my mouth..
@purexqx
@purexqx 10 жыл бұрын
You didn't say it directly, but you say that your a kafir if you have taken another prophet after Muhammad. Kafir doesn't simply mean disbeliever, but its one who is guaranteed hellfire. In Quran Allah states that there is no fear for the good amongst the people of the scripture.(They haven't accepted Muhammad). And Allah states that Allah forgive no shirk(One who has taken another or more God/Gods then Allah). So I'm not putting words in your mouth, but Muhammad was simply a messenger of Allah. He teach us to believe in Allah and Allah's words in Quran.
@javedahmed190
@javedahmed190 10 жыл бұрын
great job done by brother Sadat Anwar, Qadiani speaker had no answers, may allah give you more strenth and knowledge.
@truthwithproof-ut5hg
@truthwithproof-ut5hg 10 ай бұрын
Can anyone explain why when Mr Ansar raza is talking a munching sound of a camel can be heard at the end of his every sentence. It really is quite annoying when one is trying to listen to a discussion.
@OmgLasersPewPew
@OmgLasersPewPew 3 жыл бұрын
Man this was a pitch perfect performance from br. Sadat, he responds to every point whilst still compounding his main arguments he put forth. Just brilliant Alhamdulillah
@2011AndrewD
@2011AndrewD 10 жыл бұрын
One of the best debates I have seen against the Ahmadiya position. Doesn't really matter what the Ahmadis say or try to do as damage control the strength of the arguments given by the Sunni speaker is enough against the so-called expert missionary who presents himself as a scholar. Fact is that the Ahmadi expert agreed to debate and failed. The Ahmadis on this comments thread need not waste their time trying to convince otherwise.
@abdulhai93
@abdulhai93 5 жыл бұрын
Every prophet that can gave some kind of logical reasoning to their prophethood. Ahmedis are so busy at proving that there is a prophet after Mohammed (SAW) that they fail to understand what mirza even preached
@alausaibrahimalabi859
@alausaibrahimalabi859 3 жыл бұрын
Prophet Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Peace be on him is only the Messiah deliver us clear message from Allahu and he is the light of Allah in the Qur’an and Hadith Prophecies. The problem of you people simply because you don't want to accept any Prophet who come with clear Signs of Allah after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w
@qtinterval9120
@qtinterval9120 3 жыл бұрын
@@alausaibrahimalabi859 😂😂😂 Puppet Mirza Ghulam
@MansoorAhmad-fo7zi
@MansoorAhmad-fo7zi 7 ай бұрын
@@alausaibrahimalabi859punjabi prophet 😂😂😂😂😂
@rasoolbuxlashari4730
@rasoolbuxlashari4730 Ай бұрын
Not single prophecy of mirza qadyani came true. Convicted cheater. Delusional person according to his wife and son. Abuser, blasphemous of prophet essa pak, bibi maryam, imam Hussain, and various sahabas. This very brief intro of your apostate prophet Mirza qadyani. He lied common innocent muslims about writing books and gulped their money. Deen was completed when prophet Muhammad pak declared in his last sermon. Repent innocent qadyani followers of mirza ghulam qadyani. Read his books.
@juniordean86
@juniordean86 10 жыл бұрын
Yes Alhamdolillah brother sadat should do more debates. As he is very effective mahshaAllah with his approach and arguments
@takiyaazrin7562
@takiyaazrin7562 4 жыл бұрын
What's with you people and beheadings?
@sbasha7
@sbasha7 4 жыл бұрын
@@takiyaazrin7562 whats with you and being a moron
@SuperMz0051
@SuperMz0051 4 жыл бұрын
@@sbasha7 just another guy going hell if don't repent. Just ignore akhi
@zariankhann
@zariankhann 4 жыл бұрын
Reply to ahmedi's from quran The issue of isa(as).... The best thing about quran is that it protects itself... "Falsehood cant enter it from front nor its back"(fussilat)... Does death of esa fits in quran??... We know isa(as) was a rasool of allah (Rasool to bani israel)(quran) A rasool cant be killed Another thing special about rasool is either u believe in him or u will be destroyed by a natural disaster e.g(nation of nooh, shoaib, loot, aad tahmud) or by swords of believers like happened to arabs in 1st 10 ayats of surah tawbah but luckily everyone submitted.... Similar happened with younas (as) he thought my nation has rejected and destrution is due but they suddenly repented and he(as) was punished for leaving them..... Why this happens... this is azab istehsal which is even agreed by ahl kitab rasool makes truth so evident that no one has any excuse after a rasool( so before being punished in hereafter they are punished in this world unless they submit..... These news of rasools is repeated again and again in quran its nearly 1/5 of quran.... "Allah has written i and my rasools shal be dominant(mujadila)"... "And Our word has already preceded for Our servants, the messengers, That] indeed, they would be those given victory And [that] indeed, Our soldiers will be those who overcome.".... So esa(as) as above mentioned was a rasool to bani israel and jews did not submitted to him.... so azab istehsal was due to them so allah raised him up alive and near end of times he will come and kill all jews... If some one says he died natural death... Its violation of rule of azab istehsal and claim of allah that me and rasool shall be dominant.... Now lets come of issue of translations from where ahmedis drive death of isa(as) 1.. Al imran 55 56 when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. 56 And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." Here first if u see in 57 "punish them in this world"(clearly points toward azab istehsal to jews in end of times) Here word "mutawafiqa" has been used which ahmedis claim to only mean "natural death" this word is used for death in quran and in dua of janaza while it has been also used for sleep in 2 places(surah zumar verse 42)and anam verse 60.... Its actual meaning is" to take away" allah takes souls during sleep as mentioned in surah zumar and anaam Allah took soul of isa along with his body and life thats why mutawafiqa is onky used for esa(as) 2nd Now come to verse 157 159 of nisa... And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise. And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness. Here word rafa "to raise" is mentioned and they still take "natural death" out of it... But lets analyse these verse first allah is mocking jews that u claim to have "killed a rasool" which is in line with above statement of tradition of allah about rasools If u read the next verse that none of people of book(cristian) will remain but will believe in him "before his death".... Only 12 people believed in him during his stay 0n earth.... Authentic ahadith mention that all sincere christians will believe in him in end of times and all jews shall be killed(by isa(as) and mulims
@insantalib6327
@insantalib6327 10 жыл бұрын
In the end Sadath proved a scholar as well. A scholar should stick to the topic and should be able to bring their knowledge into cohesive argument. One who resorts equivocation and dilly dallying like Ansar Sahaab cannot be called a real scholar. He is only a missionery -- that is his profession.
@trolllllll2977
@trolllllll2977 6 жыл бұрын
Insan Talib Mirza died in tatti
@zindagieksafar1512
@zindagieksafar1512 Жыл бұрын
I m debating last year a ahmediya group in Assam 4hrs Ahmediya cannot answer me ahmidiyas completely fake group ahmediya non muslim
@guls1977
@guls1977 8 жыл бұрын
Mr Raza , you haven't spoke about your mirza Ahmed you always sloping that topic that very funny and it shows you are not a true scholar . A true scholar admit the truths which you haven't ... May Allah show you the true path among me Amin
@aynurny
@aynurny 8 жыл бұрын
yes, that is quiet interesting. he did not mention about mirza. May Allah guide us.
@SeekerothPath
@SeekerothPath 10 жыл бұрын
my sincere advice to all people who watch this video, easy way to find guidance is to sincerely pray two rakat nafl with wudhu and beg Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala (the one and only) to guide them. If we continue to this, than I can swear by Allah that he Will guide us.
@truthintheknowledge567
@truthintheknowledge567 5 жыл бұрын
Prophet Muhammad s.a.w is the last and the final messenger...Debate close
@farhanmirza7441
@farhanmirza7441 3 жыл бұрын
No hazrat ESA is in space some where he will come near qyamah
@Ismail-ez7um
@Ismail-ez7um 10 жыл бұрын
Ahmadi guy is meant to be a "scholar" he really didn't do his sect any favours which is typical of people of falsehood.
@takiyaazrin7562
@takiyaazrin7562 4 жыл бұрын
What's with you people and beheadings?
@zariankhann
@zariankhann 4 жыл бұрын
Reply to ahmedi's from quran The issue of isa(as).... The best thing about quran is that it protects itself... "Falsehood cant enter it from front nor its back"(fussilat)... Does death of esa fits in quran??... We know isa(as) was a rasool of allah (Rasool to bani israel)(quran) A rasool cant be killed Another thing special about rasool is either u believe in him or u will be destroyed by a natural disaster e.g(nation of nooh, shoaib, loot, aad tahmud) or by swords of believers like happened to arabs in 1st 10 ayats of surah tawbah but luckily everyone submitted.... Similar happened with younas (as) he thought my nation has rejected and destrution is due but they suddenly repented and he(as) was punished for leaving them..... Why this happens... this is azab istehsal which is even agreed by ahl kitab rasool makes truth so evident that no one has any excuse after a rasool( so before being punished in hereafter they are punished in this world unless they submit..... These news of rasools is repeated again and again in quran its nearly 1/5 of quran.... "Allah has written i and my rasools shal be dominant(mujadila)"... "And Our word has already preceded for Our servants, the messengers, That] indeed, they would be those given victory And [that] indeed, Our soldiers will be those who overcome.".... So esa(as) as above mentioned was a rasool to bani israel and jews did not submitted to him.... so azab istehsal was due to them so allah raised him up alive and near end of times he will come and kill all jews... If some one says he died natural death... Its violation of rule of azab istehsal and claim of allah that me and rasool shall be dominant.... Now lets come of issue of translations from where ahmedis drive death of isa(as) 1.. Al imran 55 56 when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. 56 And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." Here first if u see in 57 "punish them in this world"(clearly points toward azab istehsal to jews in end of times) Here word "mutawafiqa" has been used which ahmedis claim to only mean "natural death" this word is used for death in quran and in dua of janaza while it has been also used for sleep in 2 places(surah zumar verse 42)and anam verse 60.... Its actual meaning is" to take away" allah takes souls during sleep as mentioned in surah zumar and anaam Allah took soul of isa along with his body and life thats why mutawafiqa is onky used for esa(as) 2nd Now come to verse 157 159 of nisa... And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise. And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness. Here word rafa "to raise" is mentioned and they still take "natural death" out of it... But lets analyse these verse first allah is mocking jews that u claim to have "killed a rasool" which is in line with above statement of tradition of allah about rasools If u read the next verse that none of people of book(cristian) will remain but will believe in him "before his death".... Only 12 people believed in him during his stay 0n earth.... Authentic ahadith mention that all sincere christians will believe in him in end of times and all jews shall be killed(by isa(as) and mulims
@razi9593
@razi9593 4 жыл бұрын
@@zariankhann Masha Allah. Thank you
@zariankhann
@zariankhann 4 жыл бұрын
@@razi9593 Now authentic ahadiths which support azab istehsal and version of all muslims(check their authenticity)... 1 Sahih al-Bukhari 3448 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): -- 'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christianks) But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fath-ul-Bari, Page 302 Vol 2 Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel" Bukhari 55.658 Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)." 4 1 Al-Bukhari (3593) and Muslim (2921) narrated from the hadith of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) say: “The Jews will fight you and you will prevail over them, then a rock will say: ‘O Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.’” 2. Saheeh Muslim (2922), it is narrated from the hadith of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them, until a Jew hides behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: O Muslim, O slave of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Except the gharqad (a thorny tree), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” 3 Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Dajjal will camp in this salty, barren ground in Marr Qanat [a valley in Madinah], and most of those who go out to him will be women, to the extent that a man will go back to his relative, to his mother, his daughter, his sister and his paternal aunt, and will tie her up for fear that she may go out to him. Then Allah will give the Muslims power over him, and they will kill him and his party, until a Jew will hide beneath a tree or a rock, and the rock or tree will say to the Muslim: ‘Here is a Jew beneath me; kill him
@zariankhann
@zariankhann 4 жыл бұрын
@@razi9593 kindly copy and paste where these people are arguing
@duchesscherie
@duchesscherie Жыл бұрын
Ansar tried to low blow on Sadaat and trying to call him not a scholar & how an Imam said he aint a scholar LOL im a revert and honestly Sadaat made more sense to me here
@hamzazulfi
@hamzazulfi Жыл бұрын
Mashallah. May Allah reward you and keep you firm on the right path. Ameen
@ahmedsunghaar6222
@ahmedsunghaar6222 5 жыл бұрын
Nobody is killing anybody in Pakistan, but you are using our religion which we can't tolerate. Ghulam Mirza had not any quality of a prophet or a nice person.
@ziaahmad3429
@ziaahmad3429 10 жыл бұрын
Ansar Raza clearly failed to answer the point raised by Sadat that Non Ahmadis deny MGA to be prophet so even on tat criteria how can non ahmadis be brother in faith? Sadat totally destroyed Ansar logic
@tayyab1993
@tayyab1993 8 жыл бұрын
Sadat Anwer long live...!!!
@ilm_seeker
@ilm_seeker 10 жыл бұрын
Clearly Mr. Ansar Raza is not a skilled debater. He seems to stray often from the central point of the debate and, at times, gives weak evidence for the position he supports. I am not convinced by him at all.
@narzignaigh4864
@narzignaigh4864 11 ай бұрын
Ansar raza could not defend his ahmadi beliefs from Quran and ahadees. His prophet mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani has so many ccntradictions in his books which as per his sayings are wahi based. His books are full of rediculous claims and false revelations.
@MatrixOfDynamism
@MatrixOfDynamism 10 жыл бұрын
I am yet to yet to watch this debate. Being from Pakistani origin the issue of Ahmedis is of immense importance. They have been declared nonMuslims some decades back and very horrible things have been done against them. They are however adament that they are Muslims like sunnis and shi'as, just another sect. To make long story short, in the teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, all those that do not accept his prophethood are declared disbelievers. Is this not true? Before they were declared nonMuslims in Paksitan, debates were held between their scholars on how to resolve the developing situation back than. They were very explicit in stating that they DO NOT consider those not believing in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed's prophethood to be Muslims. When we are disbelivers for them, why can't it be the same from our side as well? They are not permitted to marry nonAhmedi Muslims as well e.t.c
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Matrixof Dynamism - I wish to point to you a hadith of the Holy Prophet (saw) who is my beloved master and my guide after my beloved Allah the Ever Merciful. He said that when Imam Mehdi arrives you must believe in him and convey my salaam to him. Please think about what would one be called who does not believe in this hadith? Secondly, when the 5th verse of the Surah Jumuah was revealed Hazrat Abu Hurairah (ra) asked the Holy Prophet (saw) as to does this verse refer to upon asking three times he said after putting his hand on Hazrat Salman farsi (ra) that if faith was to go up to pleaides a man from among them would certainly find it. Firstly try and read up the Holy Quran on the life and death of Hazrat Isa (as). I would also request you to read up on what Hazrat Abu Bakr siddique (ra) said upon the death of the Holy Prophet (saw) (Did he not say that all prophets that came before the Holy Prophet (saw) have passed away? without making any exceptions?) Read these and think about them and then there are about 12 verses in the Holy Quran that I would request you to read and think over them as well. If you have queries after this then please come back and I would be more than happy to tell you a bit more to think if you wish to discuss this with a sincere hearth - InshAllah
@mamingujjar134
@mamingujjar134 10 жыл бұрын
***** Farooq saheb, with respect, I did not got your point? what are you try to prove? What does the life and death of Isa A.S. has to do with the claiming of the prophet by the Mirza Gulam? Does that prove that Mirza Gulam was a Nabi? you said "what Hazrat Abu Bakr siddique (ra) said upon the death of the Holy Prophet (saw) (Did he not say that all prophets that came before the Holy Prophet (saw) have passed away? without making any exceptions?)" Even Isa A.S. was dead.Does this prove that Mirza Gulam was reborn (reincarnated)as a Isa A.S.? Mirza's claim of prophet hood and the life of Isa A.S. are 2 different thing. In the entire History of deen e Islam from Adam A.S. to Muhammad e Mustafa SAW, No nabi ever has claim to be reincarnated. Ahmedi's claim that Eisa (AS) and Mahdi are not two separate individuals but the same person, life and death of Isa a.s., diverts the minds of innocent muslims from the actual argument which is whether Mirza gulam is a liar or the true prophet.
@allahsservant5730
@allahsservant5730 5 жыл бұрын
Imam mehdi will come in the time of dajjal so how could mirza ghulam Ahmad be a massiah ? Please stop this fight we all belong to good families
@holdshiftt2run308
@holdshiftt2run308 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe he(the qadiyani British toilet mahdi) is one of the minor dajjals that the prophet spoke of.
@alausaibrahimalabi859
@alausaibrahimalabi859 3 жыл бұрын
Prophet Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Peace be on him is only the Messiah deliver us clear message from Allahu and he is the light of Allah in the Qur’an and Hadith Prophecies. The problem of you people simply because you don't want to accept any Prophet who come with clear Signs of Allah after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w
@holdshiftt2run308
@holdshiftt2run308 3 жыл бұрын
@@alausaibrahimalabi859 You have any SAHIH narration of your messiah? Do you have any narration proving that he is going to be from Hind? Last time I checked, he is going to be at the Yemeni corner taking bayah that was forced on him(i.e. he never declared himself the mahdi unlike Mirza Gulam) and will be an Arab Qurayshi.
@aawadood1y
@aawadood1y 3 жыл бұрын
@@alausaibrahimalabi859 mud eating qadiyanis
@alausaibrahimalabi859
@alausaibrahimalabi859 3 жыл бұрын
@@aawadood1y m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5LbhpaDmbSrfqs
@adjiedguman67
@adjiedguman67 Жыл бұрын
1.what have mirza ghulam brings to the Human's ? 2.what have m.g. About saying halaal/haraam 3.where is m.g. now ? 4.have hi saying falgar thinks 5.ho have the true Belief.sunnie/shia of ahammadiyya
@lilekoe1
@lilekoe1 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone's missing the point of the debate. Sunni guy is saying that both can't be brothers in faith and he even said it as a Ahmadi. Where as the Ahmadi is saying they are brothers regardless. Makes no sense.
@ARIFKHAN-iy3ix
@ARIFKHAN-iy3ix 6 жыл бұрын
Sadat gave very strong and great speeches and statements Qadyanis should come in to the folds of true Islam and make your life of hereafter safe and blessed.
@xtremeownage2
@xtremeownage2 9 жыл бұрын
This Ansar Raza guy is a liar. Ahmad Raza Khan Brelvi (Rah) made it CLEAR that there is no Prophet after the holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW/blessings of Allah be upon him and peace be upon him). I have studied this enough and this Ansar Raza's liar is making stuff up. From wiki: "Ahmed Raza Khan, was to travel to the Hejaz to collect the opinions of the religious scholars of Mecca and Madina. He compiled these opinions in his work Hussam ul Harmain (The sword of two sanctuaries on the slaughter-point of blasphemy and falsehood); in it, Ghulam Ahmad was again labelled an apostate. The unanimous consensus of about thirty-four religious scholars was that Ghulam Ahmad's beliefs were blasphemous and tantamount to apostasy and that he must be punished by imprisonment and, if necessary, by execution."
@rasoolbuxlashari4730
@rasoolbuxlashari4730 Ай бұрын
What happened at chenab nagar railway station, what you have done to students?
@ziaahmad3429
@ziaahmad3429 10 жыл бұрын
in the end qadiani head missionary took cheap shots at muslim and bro Sadat
@sulemanfarasi9639
@sulemanfarasi9639 9 жыл бұрын
+Zia Ahmad yes the beast was there for all to see with his big cheshyre cat smile
@TheNotoriousJutt
@TheNotoriousJutt 6 жыл бұрын
That's what they do ( These Qadiyanis ) , Ansar Raza knew after last 5 min that he has been executed intellectually hahaha Shameful person that Ansar Raza ... he admitted he is scholar and yet defeated by non scholarly young man, who destroyed him completely
@abushadeed2443
@abushadeed2443 10 жыл бұрын
This Qadiyani is one lame scholar. Some things he has mentioned regarding aqeedah differences amongst Sunni groups is wrong. He also seems to have a very shallow and restricted world view of Islam and the movements of various groups. The debate takes place in Canada but he brings the Asian sub continent polemical rhetoric to argue with. What a joke
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Abu Shadeed sahib what in particular are you referring to in your comments please? Are you from UK by any chance? I would be more than happy to discuss this with you if you are and provide you with the answers to your queries.
@abushadeed2443
@abushadeed2443 10 жыл бұрын
I don't have questions about the Qadiyani movement and I am very clear on what they believe and how they do not conform to the orthodoxy teachings of Islam. My issue that I raised was with the inconsistencies of the Qadiyani scholar, the errors he made regarding various Sunni groups and their aqeedah. It is not something for you to answer as they were not your words
@anisamasood9197
@anisamasood9197 10 жыл бұрын
Keep on day dreaming and calling Ahamdi scholars lame. And they will keep taking over the world like a storm. The fact is that you and your kind of people are so heedless so ignorant and blinded in the enmity of the appointed of time that you go and sit with Christians just to prove us wrong. Here is just a gist of your elder's behavior. A man used to abuse the Holy Prophet pbuh. The Promised Messiah warned him to stop it or Allah's wrath will fall on him . At this the man held his ears and stuck out his tongue and made a sign of "taubah" repentance. Thus he was saved for the time. The foolish opponents rejoiced that Mirza Saheb is a liar. This is the standard of your wisdom and taqwaa? how pathetic!
@abushadeed2443
@abushadeed2443 10 жыл бұрын
I don't have a clue on what you're talking about, your words don't make sense. And don't pigeon hole me into a 'kind' when you don't know what I am upon
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Anisa Masood Jazak Allah Khair
@r.rahman12
@r.rahman12 9 жыл бұрын
"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing." [Surah 33:40]. In this very same verse, Allah has mentioned both the terms 'rasul' and 'nabi'. If these two terms are exactly the same having not a bit difference whatsoever between them, then Allah could have used either only 'rasul' or only 'nabi' in both the cases (of course Allah Knows the best). Since there is a conjunction "and" separating 'rasul' and 'nabi', it tends to mean that there should be some sort of difference (in my opinion). Now, according to most of the Islamic scholars, rasul is the one who delivers a new religious law (Shari'a) wheres a nabi continues an old one. As such, while all rasuls are nabis, not all nabis are rasuls. The verse does not say the last of the rasuls (messengers) but says the last of the nabis (prophets). The end of the message does not mean the end of prophethood, but the end of prophethood does mean the end of the message. Furthermore, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say "there will be no Messenger after me". So, it is clear (to me at least) that Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) is the final nabi and rasul.
@shahidahmed1234
@shahidahmed1234 4 жыл бұрын
Prophet and Messenger are synonymous. A Prophet is always a messenger because a prophet always brings a message of God to the people. There are no prophet that did not bring a meassage. Allah chooses his prophets who will always convey the message. If he is a prophet of God, then he must convey the message. Why would Allah appoint a prophet who would not convey his message? If Allah chooses someone as his prophet, if he does not claim then he is not a prophet, therefore he is not appointed by Allah SWT. If Allah appoints someone then he is a prophet, and when he is a prophet he shall convey the message of Allah, therefore he is a messenger of Allah. Every prophets are measengers. We emphasis more on Muhammad SAW as the messenger of Allah because Muhammad SAW was the final messenger to bring a law. No Messenger shall bring any new law after him. If a prophet is Appointed by Allah SWT after Muhammad SAW, that prophet shall follow on the footsteps of Muhammad SAW. Jesus was a messenger after Musa AS but he did not bring any new law, he was to revive the law of Musa AS. Same goes for the Imam Mahdi and the Messiah, he is to revive the law of Muhammad SAW. As we know over time people tend to deviate from the true religion. Same is happening to the religion of Islam. Just because we have the Quran we did not fully become misguided, but our Ideology changed over time. We are giving more emphasis on Muhammad SAW then Allah SWT. Muhammad SAW is just a messenger. He is not to be attributed any attributes of Allah SWT. When we say Allah has no associate or there is none like Allah SWT, these are the attributes of Allah. Like the Christian who gave divinity to Jesus, Muslims are doing the same to Muhammad SAW. It is wrong to say Muhammad SAW is the last of the prophets and there be no prophet after him. All the prophets had an subordinate prophets (associate). So if you say theire will be no ummati nabi of Muhammad SAW you are giving him an attribute of Allah, which is wrong. Also Muhammad SAW had prophesized that Imam Mahdi will come and then Isa Ibn Maryam will descend among us from his ummah. So will they both not be prophet, if not what is the purpose of Muhammad SAW prophecy. What so important of their coming if they are not prophet of Allah. If they come to preach Allah without Allah appointing them then they will merely be Scholars. Is Scholars guided by Allah SWT, are we to believe in scholars. If Isa AS comes back is he not be a prophet, and if he is not a prophet then are we to believe him. One of The articles of faith of Islam is to believe in all the prophets. Now are we to change our articles of faith after the coming of Imam Mahdi and the promised Messiah? Will that not be abrogating the Quran? Astaghfirullah, do not contradict the Quran with false beliefs. Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah came in the advent of Ghulam Ahmad AS, as per the prophecy of Muhammad SAW. Believing in him as a prophet does not contradict the Quran. But believeing in Jesus AS was taken to heaven bodily does go against the Quran, as Quran states that you have to taste death to go to heaven. Also believing in Jesus of Nazreth of 2000 years back will come back from Heaven physically also contradicts the Quran as the Quran statea there is a barrier between Earth and Heaven. Therefor no one can come back from Heaven. Also if you believe Isa AS will come after Muhammad SAW then why do you say khatamun nabiyeen means last of the prophets? If he comes back and he is not a prophet, but just a follower of Muhammad SAW ummah then why was his prophethood taken away? Why would Allah appoint a prophet and then say you are not a prophet anymore. Also, Isa AS will be the only prophet not to complete his mission. And if you say he will come as a follower of Muhammad SAW ummah but will also complete his mission then he is a messenger, hence he is a prophet. False beliefs are always contradictory to the Quran, our final guidance, and the Quran is the decree of Allah SWT.
@holdshiftt2run308
@holdshiftt2run308 3 жыл бұрын
He is khatim un-nabi according to the Quran and Sunnah. These people are no different from Musaylama.
@bangwaraka2664
@bangwaraka2664 3 жыл бұрын
@@shahidahmed1234 within your long comment, you have a lot of mistakes: the first mistake: Nabi and Rasul are synonymous? you've got the wrong idea brother. Nabi and Rasul are different. if there are synonymous which mean one and the same thing, then Rasulullah will never said in the hadist that there are 124.000 Nabi, from those 315 are Rasul. Even Rasulullah make a clear distinctive between Nabi and Rasul. so when you said Rasul and Nabi are synonymous, i can know for sure that you didn't know what the meaning of word Nabi and Rasul. the second mistake was, when you say prophet is always a messenger. the correct ones will be a messenger is obviously a prophet, but a prophet not necessarily a messenger. the third mistake: when you said Jesus did not bring any new law, then i can say already contradicted the Qur'an. (read Ali Imran:50) the fourth mistake: you present the premise "As we know over time people tend to deviate from the true religion." but you make fatal conclusion when you say "Same is happening to the religion of Islam" why this conclusion is so wrong, because it is annihilate hadist from Rasulullah Shalallahu 'Alaihi Wassalam, when he taught us how avoid going astray from straight path, by following Al Qur'an and his Sunnah. QS:5:3 clearly state that ALLAH had perfected this dien Islam. And QS:18:1 clearly state that ALLAH sent to HIS servant The Book/The Law that will not deviate the fifth mistake: you make statement that muslim give divinity to Rasulullah Shalallahu 'Alaihi Wassalam if saying there will be no prophet after Rasulullah Shallahu 'Alaihi Wassalam. Whenever we say that there will be no Nabi who came after Rasulullah its all based on hadist of Rasulullah Shalallahu 'Alaihi Wassalam which said there is no prophet after me in many occasion. and it is also align with QS;33:40. the translation khataman nabiyyin as seal of the prophet was quite close enough although i prefer "the closure of prophethood". but let us take the translation of khataman nabiyyin as seal of the prophet, the follow up question is, if something already sealed, how come it still open? if the prophet (in this case meaning the prophethood) already been close, how come the will another prophet that will come after him? but it is no wonder, if you never know the meaning of nabi, then let alone khataman nabiyyin. the sixth mistake: prophecy about some person did not automatically make the prophesied one to become a prophet. Rasulullah Shalallahu 'Alaihi Wassalam prophesied Dajjal, did it made dajjal as a prophet? the seventh mistake: regarding imam mahdi and Isa al Masih, please read carefully the hadist about it. it never said that Isa al Masih descend "FROM" his ummah. the eighth mistake: you said that qur'an stated you have to taste death to go to heaven, please provide the reference. and you said, "no one can come back from heaven"; have you never heard hadith about isra mi'raj? do you want me to continue pointing out the mistake from your comment?
@bangwaraka2664
@bangwaraka2664 3 жыл бұрын
@RapaRama if something already sealed, how come you think it still open? lot of hadith that Rasulullah Shalallahu 'Alaihi Wassalam clearly said that there will be no prophet after him. if there is still some possibility that ALLAH will raise a prophet after Rasulullah Shalallahu 'Alaihi Wassalam, why Rasulullah warned us about false prophet? or deceiver/great liar? Learned it, not just Google it
@shahidahmed1234
@shahidahmed1234 3 жыл бұрын
@@bangwaraka2664 it did not say sealed, he is the seal of prophethood. He authenticates the prophets.
@mohammedshabir2804
@mohammedshabir2804 Жыл бұрын
Bro sidat annihilated him,look how he jumped away from discussing MGA but bro sidat is not discussing MGA he is making factual facts against ahmadiya for him to say us and lohri jammat are one is a lie all you ahmadiyas do is lie,now i see why these qadyanis in canada dont want to talk to him anymore,what a shame all this qadyani had left was a personal attack on bro sidat disgraceful behaviour
@NaveedALI-zn5jc
@NaveedALI-zn5jc 10 жыл бұрын
Brother Sadat you did the good job Mashallal
@abdulraufoffice4769
@abdulraufoffice4769 3 жыл бұрын
Ansar Raza is a kind of unskilled person in front of Saadat.. very clearly and honestly... its visible.. please Ahmadi bhai's please accept Islam
@dryousuf7106
@dryousuf7106 5 жыл бұрын
مسٹر سادات نے انصررضا کی بولتی بند کر دی ۔
@No2BlindFaith
@No2BlindFaith 10 жыл бұрын
As per Ansar Raza's logic, Jews, Christians and Muslims are brothers in faith. But at some point of time in history they did rejected Prophet-hood of Jesus or Mohammed and thereby diverged into separate religious entities. Similarly, main stream Muslims have clearly rejected Prophet-hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, just like Jews rejected Prophet-hood of Jesus and Christians rejected the Prophet-hood of Mohammed and that makes them part of separate religions.
@klashenkoff
@klashenkoff 10 жыл бұрын
26:00 how can ansar raza say were all muslim brothers when his messiah called anyone not believing in him a PAKKAH KAAFIR
@anisamasood9197
@anisamasood9197 10 жыл бұрын
How can you call a kalima reciting person non Muslim when Holy Prophet s.a.w.w said," jo kalima go ko kafir kahay woh khud kaafir hai." Whoever calls a Kalima reciter a kafir is himself a kafir. Here you and your so called Ulema will openheartedly allow and feel it quiet eligible to interpret and begin your own fabricated commentary. But if Ahmdies intrepret they are ultimately decalred Kafir. Waht a justice. What a piety.
@klashenkoff
@klashenkoff 10 жыл бұрын
Anisa Masood the followers of musailma kazzab also read the kalima would you call these people muslims? the followers of RASHAD KHALIFAH also read the kalimia would you call them muslim or kaafir? did you not read my comment? i quoted mirza ghulam ahmed i basically said ansar raza is going against his own messiahs wordsi did not say anything regarding my own stance on ahmadis so get your facts strait...if your an ahmadi let me ask you..do you believe all those NON AHMADIS are muslim who deny your messiahs prophethood? give me a strait forward answer no beating about the bush
@insantalib6327
@insantalib6327 10 жыл бұрын
Anisa Masood Islamic Kalima ends with "Muhammadurrasoolulla". There is no addendum, appendix etc. to it.
@monsoorahmed6331
@monsoorahmed6331 6 жыл бұрын
Ansar Raza has replied ur Question but u don"t understand the Reply ..
@hassaanraza3291
@hassaanraza3291 6 жыл бұрын
Monsoor Ahmed Hahaha can you please tell us where did he replied?? Stop following your Punjabi Jesus
@sheirkhdabuobagnabayiabdul498
@sheirkhdabuobagnabayiabdul498 2 жыл бұрын
Am a sunni Muslim but I love the advice of the old man who gave the closing remake
@JohnSmith-hp7gt
@JohnSmith-hp7gt 8 жыл бұрын
The Qadiani representative does not quote the Qur'an or Hadith... his entire analysis is based on Indo-Pak folklore, listen to the he said she said folklore he quotes around 50:00
@xtremeownage2
@xtremeownage2 9 жыл бұрын
1:19:00 personal attacks by the Qadiani liar, he seems desperate. Sahaba had same aqeedah/beliefs. This man is totally taking hadith out of context. Both Abu Hurairah (Rad) and Aisha (Rad) were correct. Aqeedah is different from certain actions. Aqeedah is the main thing. If someone says La Ilaha Il Allah, but believe Allah is not all-powerful, then that person is NOT a Muslim. This is an issue of beliefs. By denying Allah is all-powerful, you are denying Islam. By denying the finality of Prophethood of the holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW/blessings of Allah be upon him and peace be upon him) you are denying the Shahada and are denying Islam. Ansar Raza's sensationalist arguments do not mean anything. Qadianis are murderers and deceivers. Mirza Ghulam himself promoted the massacre of Hindus. Qadiani refused to attend the funeral of Quad-E-Azam.
@econ1985
@econ1985 10 жыл бұрын
Ma sha Allah, well done to bro Sadat, may Allah reward him . The qadiani was all over the place.
@0ptimusbibIe
@0ptimusbibIe 10 жыл бұрын
Sadat Anwar is a great debater
@muslim610
@muslim610 10 жыл бұрын
Not being a scholar doesn't mean a person is ignorant. This guy at the end didn't make much sense to me.
@FoundationalThoughts
@FoundationalThoughts 10 жыл бұрын
The attacks by Ansar Raza and the Missionary Leader on the Muslim speaker by repeating that he wasn't a Scholar, claiming the he had tried to portray himself as a Scholar (lie) and calling him ignorant, all show that the Ahmadis could respond to the arguments presented by the Muslim speaker (Sadat Anwar). Alhamdu Lillah.
@muslim610
@muslim610 10 жыл бұрын
Salaam alikum FOT,it's been a long time. Where has everyone gone?
@FoundationalThoughts
@FoundationalThoughts 10 жыл бұрын
muslim610 WaAlaykum AsSalaam Akhi, it has been a while. I hope everyone is well, InshaAllah.
@birminghamshottaman
@birminghamshottaman 10 жыл бұрын
***** I did not understand Ansar Raza. Why does he always have to dodge each question?
@AA-ur9wl
@AA-ur9wl Жыл бұрын
This guy said other ahmadi groups are not part of his religion they are different religions all together but then he Ahmadi and Muslims are brothers part of the same Ummah Different ahmadis have minor differences but Ahmadis and Muslims have major differences 😂
@ABUSAEDI
@ABUSAEDI 9 жыл бұрын
Ahmadiyya is not ISLAM
@alausaibrahimalabi859
@alausaibrahimalabi859 3 жыл бұрын
Prophet Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Peace be on him is only the Messiah deliver us clear message from Allahu and he is the light of Allah in the Qur’an and Hadith Prophecies. The problem of you people simply because you don't want to accept any Prophet who come with clear Signs of Allah after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w
@rasoolbuxlashari4730
@rasoolbuxlashari4730 Ай бұрын
Game over when Muslim brother quoted ansar raza himself. Amazing mashallah crystal clear evidences provided by Muslim brother. Anyone dare to answer his raised questions.
@jobbx6117
@jobbx6117 6 жыл бұрын
Wondering what to make of the minutes of silence ( 7:43 to 8:10 ) in which the first debater to the podium seems to be chewing something. Made me uncomfortable!
@rukhsana54
@rukhsana54 6 жыл бұрын
No They do not belong to same religion. Qadianiyyat is different from Islam.
@waqarqazi7292
@waqarqazi7292 3 жыл бұрын
1:18:04 that breath of frustration 😂
@jaed123
@jaed123 10 жыл бұрын
Good Job brother Sadat..I was very disappointed with Raza.
@insantalib6327
@insantalib6327 10 жыл бұрын
Me too ! I expected some thing from Reza Saheb. But he disappointed. It was easy walk-over for brother Sadath
@truthintheknowledge567
@truthintheknowledge567 5 жыл бұрын
What's the point to be Ahmadi Muslim..? ? ? 🤔
@sensefirst475
@sensefirst475 5 жыл бұрын
To have "arbabs" like Ansar Reza, besides Allah!
@Newniche
@Newniche 5 жыл бұрын
To follow the Promised Mahdi, and unite the world under "Love for All, Hatred for None", and call everyone to true and guided teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad [pbuh]. Alislam.org
@abdulkareem8034
@abdulkareem8034 5 жыл бұрын
@@Newniche Who is that? Read what Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani wrote! He was the Promiscuous Nonsense!
@sensefirst475
@sensefirst475 5 жыл бұрын
It is not important for Ansar Reza whether Mirza Bashiruddin or whether Maulana Muhammad Ali was right, even if his own argument here goes in line with that of the latter! The second pillar of Qadiyanism is Khilafah and it is from the fifth Khalifa that Ansar Reza is getting money! So there is no "doona" and "kachcha" and all! He is to be "pakka" convinced that Mirza Masroor should be right!
@seekknowledge2010
@seekknowledge2010 10 жыл бұрын
I have a simple question to ask Ahammadi that is you all belive Ghulaam Mirza as prophet or messenger. Do you know there is a black american muslim they belive Elajah Mohammed as prophet\messenger? So if I am to come to Islam which teaching should I follow? My request to you all please stop adding creazy stuff to Islam. Prophet Mohammed (bpwh) was the seal ( last prophet ) of the prophethood. Muslim must only belive in Allah and the authentic teaching of prophet and call themselves Muslim.
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Tom kim - have you read the books on Ahmadiyyat at all?
@TheNotoriousJutt
@TheNotoriousJutt 6 жыл бұрын
That's what they do ( These Qadiyanis ) , Ansar Raza knew after last 5 min that he has been executed intellectually hahaha Shameful person that Ansar Raza ... he admitted he is scholar and yet defeated by non scholarly young man, who destroyed him completely
@mobyinayet5383
@mobyinayet5383 10 жыл бұрын
Simple solution to this issue is the Quran. What did the Quran call those who rejected Muhammad (S)? What should those who reject Mirza Sahib as Nabi be called? Honest Qadianis don't beat around the bush and call those who reject Mirza Sahib "Unbelievers". Read their books rather than these modern day Murrabis who play games with words.
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Moby sahib - what do you call someone who does not believe in the teachings and saying of the Holy Prophet (saw)? Secondly does the holy Quran say not to call anyone by the name "kafir"? Did the Holy prophet (saw) say that the people who would be najis would be just like me and my sahaba and all the other 72 sects would be in hell? Did he also say that one must not belong to any sect?
@mobyinayet5383
@mobyinayet5383 10 жыл бұрын
Kindly stick to the Quran alone to be credible. Ahadith collected generations later based on hearsay have to be questioned in the light of the Quran. The Quran does not have kind words for those who were present 1400 years ago and the blessed Messenger presented them with clear proof of his Nabuwwat. I would rather respect those Qadianis who have the guts to call those who do not believe in the Nabuwwat of Mirza Saheb Kafirs. At least they are honest and don't play around.
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Moby Inayet Moby sahib it is the Holy Quran that talks about what I said in my post above. However, I am not certain what you mean by your post here. How many books on Ahmadiyyat have you read Moby sahib? There are verses in the Holy Quran that talk about the coming of a Mehdi or Isa ibne Maryam. He is also mentioned in Surah Jumuah. Without going into details - have you read up any books written by our Khulafa?
@mobyinayet5383
@mobyinayet5383 10 жыл бұрын
Please quote the verses that predict the arrival of Mehdi/Messiah. Thanks.
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Moby Inayet Inayet sahib here is the first verse from Surah Jumuah its translation: [62:4 or 3] And among others from among them who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise. When this verse was revealed Hazrat Abu Hurairah (ra) requested the Holy Prophet (saw) as to who the verse refers to? He placed his hand on Salman (ra) the persian and said if the faith went up to pleides (a star) then someone from amongst them would bring it back. I will not go into further details here but there are a few more details related to this. The second verse where Allah the Almighty promises Khilafat is as follows: "And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings namely the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent Companions are these. " Chapter 4 verse 70 or 69 in case you do not take Bismillah to be the first verse. People say that this simply means that they will be with them and it only refers to the next world i.e.: that those who obey will only be their companions. I am not certain what that would give them? Does this mean that an obedient person will be with an Truthful person, etc? Next aspect is also Durood sharif but its not from the Holy Quran. However Surah Fatiha depicts the coming of a prophet and there are several other verses that I can point out but will leave these two for now. What the Muslims are saying is that Prophethood is closed to Islam but open to the Jewish religion! More on this if you wish to talk about it. What is your opinion on these verses at this time though?
@ziaahmad3429
@ziaahmad3429 10 жыл бұрын
Frm start you can see Ansar Raza does not want Muslims to goes to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad books :) --- but as they consider MGA prophet so they cant reject it
@overseasjobvisa6064
@overseasjobvisa6064 4 жыл бұрын
Zia Ahmad . right
@shant2464
@shant2464 3 ай бұрын
Jazak Allah Brother Saadat for representing Ahlul Sunnah Islam.
@Syed_12
@Syed_12 10 жыл бұрын
which is correct? did mirza ghulam ahmad said allah pregnant him or did mirza ghulam ahmad said he pregnant his own mother?
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Iftekharuddin sahib - he said neither of these. Where did you hear this from? His comment was on Hazrat Maryam (ra) but can you correct your statement before asking the question please?
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Syed Iftekharuddin Iftekharuddin sahib, please send me the link to what you are referring to. I do know about both those aspects and I will provide you the answer to both the issues that you raise here but either post the full paragraphs here or send me the link to the writing of the Promised Messiah (as). I will post my answer here too - InshAllah.
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Syed Sye Syed sahib please provide me the book name and page numbers from the book where he has said that. I repeat and a few sentences before that and after that statement too. I will provide you with the answers instead of simply putting a text and asking questions
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
Syed Sye I have just asked you to post the writings of the Promised Messiah (as) here and I will reply to it. FOR YOUR SATISFACTION - The Promised Messiah (as) or Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) never, never and never used any "dirty language" (Allah forbid) for Allah the Almighty or his own mother. IF YOU CAN SHOW ME ANY BOOK ANY BOOK FROM THE BOOKS HE WROTE - I WILL GIVE UP MY BELIEFS. HOWEVER DO SHOW ME FROM HIS WRITINGS OR MENTION THE BOOK NAME WITH A PAGE NUMBER PLEASE
@FarooqAhmad786
@FarooqAhmad786 10 жыл бұрын
NO, Never by His kind grace and mercy
@safinatulislamsafina550
@safinatulislamsafina550 6 жыл бұрын
جناب انصر صاحب آپ مسلم نہیں ہیں۔ اور نہ آپ عالم ہیں عالم وہ ہے جو ایمان لاتا اور ایمان کے مطابق عمل کرتا ہے۔ ایمان نہ ہو تو عمل کا کوئی فائدہ نہیں ۔ آپ ہر بات تقریبا غلط کہتے ہیں جدھر کوئی بات نہیں ادھر ایمان کی مطابقت میں عمل ہوتا ہے جبکہ ایمان کی مخالفت میں تو عمل ہی مردود ہے۔ انسانیت میں سب ایک ہیں جبکہ ایمان میں تم کافر ہو جس میں شک کرنا بھی پکا کفر ہے۔
@talibmania
@talibmania 10 жыл бұрын
The Ahmadiyya is split in to various sects:- The 1st in the lineup is the Jamaat Ahmediyyat Islah Pasand. They follow Abdul Ghaffar Janbah. 2nd group is the Ahmediyyat Community, led by UK-based Mirza Masroor Ahmed. He also claims to be Khalifatullah. 3rd in our line-up is Green Ahmediyyat, founded by Mirza Rafi Ahmed. 4th is Jamaat Ul Sahih Al Islam. It is headed by Munir Ahmad Azim. In addition to the previously mentioned, he also claims to be Khalifatullah.
@talibmania
@talibmania 10 жыл бұрын
5th on the list is the Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al-Mouslemeen. They are headed by Zafrullah Domun, who also claims to be the Khalifatullah. 6th on our list is Jamaat Ahmediyyat Haqiqi, led by Nasir Ahmad Sultani, pictured below. He also claims to be true Khalifatullah. 7th is Anwar-ul Islam Nigeria. They were formerly part of the sect of Mirza Masroor Ahmed Sahib, but broke apart to establish their own autonomy in Nigeria. So take your pick! Which Ahmediyyat sect do you want to follow!
@alausaibrahimalabi859
@alausaibrahimalabi859 3 жыл бұрын
Prophet Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Peace be on him is only the Messiah deliver us clear message from Allahu and he is the light of Allah in the Qur’an and Hadith Prophecies. The problem of you people simply because you don't want to accept any Prophet who come with clear Signs of Allah after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w
@cumar9875
@cumar9875 7 ай бұрын
​@@alausaibrahimalabi859lier
@realkhansakhan
@realkhansakhan Жыл бұрын
Sadat Anwar 27:10 Opening statement 58:20 Rebuttal 01 1:13:27 Rebuttal 02 1:29:08 Rebuttal 03 Q&A 1:40:38 to Ansar Raza 1:45:02 to Sadat Anwar 1:48:10 to Ansar Raza 1:54:13 to Ansar Raza 1:57:30 to Sadat Anwar
@Wanderlust_Sal
@Wanderlust_Sal 5 жыл бұрын
THERE IS NO ARGUMENT. Period.
@safinatulislamsafina550
@safinatulislamsafina550 6 жыл бұрын
نذیر صاحب! آپ بھی نبی کریم صلی الله تعالیٰ علیہ وآلہ وسلم پر آخری نبی کے طور پر ایمان لاؤ ۔ الحمد للہ سادات انور کو الله تعالیٰ نے وزڈم دی ہے آپکی دعا کی ضرورت نہیں انہیں اپنے محبوب صلی الله تعالیٰ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کا فیض کافی ہے۔ فرمایا: اور وہ جو ایمان لاتے ہیں جو آپ تک نازل ہوا اور اس سے پہلے۔ آپ صلی الله عليه والہ وسلم تک، اس کے بعد پر کسی مرزا وغیرہ پر وحی اور ایمان نہیں لایا جا سکتا ۔ السلام علیکم پیارے حضرت قبلہ انور سادات صاحب ! انوار المصطفےٰ من باکستان لاہور
@EQUAL.RIGHTS.4ALL
@EQUAL.RIGHTS.4ALL 4 жыл бұрын
May Allah bless you my sadat brother.
@blaim1085
@blaim1085 Жыл бұрын
Islam Ahmadiyyat zindabad Islam Ahmadiyyat zindabad Islam Ahmadiyyat zindabad Islam Ahmadiyyat zindabad Islam Ahmadiyyat zindabad
@nighatjahan4517
@nighatjahan4517 5 ай бұрын
اس munazra کو اردو ترجمہ ک ساتھ پیش کریں مہربانی ہو گی
@sd0949
@sd0949 7 жыл бұрын
We should try to present them True Islam and True belief of khatam e naboowat so that they can be guided and they can understand how their scholars (Khulfa/murabbis) have misled them
@abdulkareem8034
@abdulkareem8034 7 жыл бұрын
Sd 09 Yes of course. It is the duty of all Muslims to bring back to Islam all those innocent Qadianees inside the cult, to Islam. Use logic, evidence and gentle talk avoiding angry comments!
@rosliali6855
@rosliali6855 10 жыл бұрын
Islam is only One not in 2 or 3. The Ahmadiah believers is out of true Islamic teaching bcos Ahmadiah believe that Ahmad Qadiani was the last prophet after Nabi Muhd s.a.w. so their not in the true of Islamic sect. Only As Sunnah is in the true islamic teaching, Ahmadiah Qadiani or SHIA religions can't be accepted as Muslim. No need for As Sunnah Wa Jamaah to be discuss or compromise with anyone who not follow the teaching of Al Quran & Al Hadith teaching. Stop this discussion bcos it is useless to talk with the stubborn peoples.
@MuhammadMuhammad-fx1gn
@MuhammadMuhammad-fx1gn 4 жыл бұрын
In the end of debate that poor old Ahmedi tells the false story of fall of Baghdad. It was not because of crow. The fact was Halaku Khan had strong army and he badly defeated weaker Muslim army.
@rajpotpoint4489
@rajpotpoint4489 4 жыл бұрын
ماشااللہ سادات بھائی کے چہرے کی رونق کا موازنہ کریں قادیانی سے۔ مناظرہ کی ضرورت ہی نہیں تھی
@fari2022
@fari2022 6 жыл бұрын
Bro sadath Anwar done great work
@haiderventures9383
@haiderventures9383 2 жыл бұрын
WHO WAS TEACHEE ? ANY AHMADIA PLZ
@sensefirst475
@sensefirst475 5 жыл бұрын
The second speech of Ansar Reza Sahib is a proof for the deathblow that Sadat Anwar gave to Qadiyanism! The topic was :Are Ahmadis and Sunnies Brothers in Faith? Sadat Anwar categorically proved the answer a big NO from both sides. Undeniable reasoning with evidences! May Allah reward Sadat Anwar and give Hidaya to Qadiyanis, who are our brothers in humanity!
@ImdadDr
@ImdadDr 9 жыл бұрын
Salam Welldone sadat anwar bhai, u really did a great job. I request u to please focus solely on the issue of qadianiat and do ur best to save the muslims from this lanat. This debate is self explanatory, i request all the ahmadis to rethink about there views and just take look on the parsonality of MGA & reavluate wheather this man deserve to b a prophet. Finally i thank sadat bhai for this effort & requst him to challenge this jamat in mre topic but oresenting himself as only muslim with out any sect lable.
@margrietbarsati1939
@margrietbarsati1939 Жыл бұрын
MassahAllah head off to our brother Sadat 🤲🤲🤲🤲
@JAANISAR100
@JAANISAR100 10 жыл бұрын
I am a sunni but I will have to be fair here. The sunni brother is not as learned but may Allah reward him for his efforts. The ahmadi scholar however clearly sidestepped the takfeer issue on non ahmadis repeatedly brought up by the sunni. I think the sunni brother did not answer the rebuttal of the ahadith presented by the ahmadi about allegorical kufr. And then the argument of whether hazrat aysha ali muawiyah are kafir or not. Instead a more in depth definition of who is a Muslim and non muslim should have been argued. I am surprised imam ashari and imam maturidi were not brought in the discussion. And rules of apostasy were not discussed at all. Even the doctrine of ijma' wasn't discussed which could've proved the argument of the sunnis.
@aawadood1y
@aawadood1y 3 жыл бұрын
Qadiyanis desperate attempt 😀
@tofeeqmajeed3344
@tofeeqmajeed3344 5 жыл бұрын
If Isa (AS) is the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah and comes after Prophet Mohamed (SA) then why wasn't he come the time of his coming has already passed and doesn't that make him a prophet after prophet Mohamed (SA)? Does that make you all kafir? If Isa (AS) comes (which wouldn't ever happen because he's already passed) and an outsider would say you believe in time travel?
@ahmedsunghaar6222
@ahmedsunghaar6222 5 жыл бұрын
Ansar Raza Qadiani is misinterpreting our Quran and Hadith.
@Rockymar00
@Rockymar00 10 жыл бұрын
Ansar Raza got knocked so hard that in his rebuttal he started uttering jokes! looooooooooool
@TheNotoriousJutt
@TheNotoriousJutt 6 жыл бұрын
HAhahaha yeah yeah hahaha
@shafiqahmed4785
@shafiqahmed4785 2 жыл бұрын
I have listened many of ansar (Ahmedi) lectures and debates but I don’t think he is here to debate or find the truth it looks like he has some other agenda. I don’t think people should debate with him because he clearly has some hidden agenda which he is fulfilling it otherwise he will not continue with that much humiliation.
@22K-q8p
@22K-q8p 4 жыл бұрын
Sadat bro good job per aise logo see debate time waste krne k braber ha is ne to aik question ka be answer nae diya 😂buddhay lakh lanat👋
@qwertzasdf352
@qwertzasdf352 Жыл бұрын
You don’t need over 2hrs debate for an answer. It’s a NO!
@servantofallah4554
@servantofallah4554 3 жыл бұрын
See there faces no brightness Becouse they did mutinied to Final Prophet muhammad PBUH .
@talibmania
@talibmania 10 жыл бұрын
5th on the list is the Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al-Mouslemeen. They are headed by Zafrullah Domun, who also claims to be the Khalifatullah. 6th on our list is Jamaat Ahmediyyat Haqiqi, led by Nasir Ahmad Sultani, pictured below. He also claims to be true Khalifatullah. 7th is Anwar-ul Islam Nigeria. They were formerly part of the sect of Mirza Masroor Ahmed Sahib, but broke apart to establish their own autonomy in Nigeria. So take your pick! Which Ahmediyyat sect do you want to follow!
@حالاتحاظرہ
@حالاتحاظرہ 4 жыл бұрын
MashaAllah sadaaat brother ! You were quite clear n crystal with wisdom but I guess their hearts are sealed by Allah.
@MrTrizac
@MrTrizac 10 жыл бұрын
read surah AHZAB ayiat 40. All ahmedis can convert to Islam aft reading this.This ayat clearly states abt status of Nabi MUHAMMAD saws
@xtremeownage2
@xtremeownage2 9 жыл бұрын
Imam Abu Hanifa (Rad) CLEARLY called false-Prophets as disbelievers.
@vikyahmed5697
@vikyahmed5697 4 жыл бұрын
Alhamdulillah we are kafir of mirza ghulam qadiyani Alhamdulillah ...
@alausaibrahimalabi859
@alausaibrahimalabi859 3 жыл бұрын
Prophet Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Peace be on him is only the Messiah deliver us clear message from Allahu and he is the light of Allah in the Qur’an and Hadith Prophecies. The problem of you people simply because you don't want to accept any Prophet who come with clear Signs of Allah after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w
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