DEBATE: Cenk Uygur and Dave Smith vs. Dennis Prager and Batya Ungar-Sargon: Iran, Israel & Palestine

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[@joeybwalsh]

How I think I sound like in an argument: Dave How I really sound like in an argument: Cenk

[@MsZeitgeist85]

Dennis Prager holds a Guinness World Record as the worlds most flexible moral contortionist.

[@B_Bodziak]

I guess that's why he supports the world's most moral army 🙄

[@dnlchoc6830]

The old man is morally wrong. killing and death are the same for anyone. Death by or kill with guns, knives, fire, bombs, stones, or sticks killing and death is the same they stop existing! So to suggest Oct 7 is worse than what is happening to Palestinians is plain stupid! Both acts are wrong!

[@MsZeitgeist85]

@@B_Bodziak Want to hear a joke? Dennis Pragers moral compass. Want to hear a sick joke? The IDF is the world's most moral army.

[@juliuspryce8514]

Nice sarcasm 😂​@@B_Bodziak

[@insightsman196]

Well he doesn't support the most immoral HAMAS like some do, They committed violent acts on October 7th but people like Cenk want to hand them their own state From what it sounds like,, Cenk " free Palestine, we need a two state solution now" person ask Cenk How " I don't know but it's not right" platitudes ideas but no plan , It's easy to blame Israel but when it comes to finding a solution Cenk has none, So why? I mean he is or was running for president, Should he not have an actual plan

[@user-dz1zj9xr3s]

Neocons forgot the question but the answer is war. -Cenk I am America first but I’m not America only. -Dennis

[@Dutch_Rudder]

We need America Only now and for at least 5 years, but we all know it’ll never happen in our lifetimes

[@johnnguyen5681]

Prager asks him to name one more atrocity . . . Proceeds to interrupt Dave incessantly to prevent him from naming anymore 😅

[@alexzman85]

Because there is none

[@johnnguyen5681]

@@alexzman85 so Prager stopped him from talking because he didn't want him to name 'none' 😅 ? This is the Google age . . . .

[@sethblank3139]

And he still couldn't name one 😂😂😂

[@johnnguyen5681]

@@sethblank3139 The ICC and ICJ have named many 😂 . . .

[@LocoGeorge123]

Dennis Prager is so gross I can’t bare to hear him speak

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

He is most bias: Cenk and the other guy are right

[@sethgyan]

Any argument or just feelings?

[@HELLYEAH1313]

God Bless Dennis. He is a good man.

[@keyboardwarriorsaint]

​@@sethgyan Prager is a dirty, lying Isreal first Mossad agent and propagandist. He doesn't look like a indigenous person of the middle east. He must be speaking on behalf of colonizers and invaders. I wonder if Buddhist converts in the west can set up a state somewhere in india/Nepal/asia. Maybe they can get it done can bribing the UN with money from rich bankers like the Rothschilds.

[@shmuelsegev2065]

@@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt you are bias tell me befor the debat you where pro israeli

[@stevenljohnstonjr6657]

Prager was triggered! This is the same person that called January 6th a smokescreen.

[@B_Bodziak]

He's also the same person who spent an entire show telling his audience that it's perfectly fine for adult siblings to have sex with each other

[@seanharvey8051]

the proof is now public. He we wright

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

​@@seanharvey8051 no, it was proven to be organized by Trump and his agents. Like the Stop the Steal Hapsburg chin dude getting a permit for like 50 protesters at the capitol, and then people like Alex Jones, purposefully told waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people to go there. Stuff like that. That's just one example.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

January 6th had more FBI informants than protesters.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

@@Outdoorsguy1212 oh, bless your heart, you just fall hook, line, and sinker for every bit of BS you get fed, huh?

[@harryberkson6819]

What about failed peace offers by Israel? How about accepting peace as an act of resistance?

[@ghostpiratelechuck2259]

Tell you what, I’ll let you keep 5% of your house. I’ll own all the doorways and hallways of course, so you cannot leave the house or move between your bed and bathroom unless I feel like letting you. Obviously going to the store is never to be allowed, but I’ll bring you a sandwich and a bottle of water every few days if I remember and am feeling generous. Deal?

[@kevinfitts9252]

Prager acting like he's too dumb to understand the comparisons is hilarious.

[@rickywade5964]

Nobody thinks it’s wrong to take out a 15 story building claiming you’re looking for 1 tenant?

[@pulvrizr99]

Don't "hide" among innocents if you care about them? If their own leaders don't care, why should we? High road isn't always the best choice in the long run. I'd rather it end now, even bloody, than eternal conflict.

[@daltonbrasier5491]

​@@pulvrizr99we arent claiming Hamas cares about the civilians. Isreal is claiming they care about the civilians. You are evil.

[@kitseu]

@@pulvrizr99 Look at what you said from the perspective of those innocents. "Don't live next to a terrorist thats hiding amongst you" You realize they are trapped there in poverty, right? Also the "human shield" argument that you are using is laughable, bc why would hamas keep trying that strategy when Israel has proven they don't care and will kill innocents too? There is no human shield, all Palestinians are potential targets and they know it. Just admit you see no value in Palestinian life.

[@RichACBlues]

@@kitseu because its working on people like you to try and sew resentment against Israel. come on, stop pretending otherwise.

[@homeone4237]

@@RichACBlues Israel has already created resentment amongst the minds of many young people. With the proliferation of social media and internet access, we get to see atrocities committed everyday. The IDF is probably the top 10 most evil armies to exist, and Israel is, objectively, definitely in the top 10 most evil states to exist, if there ever was such a list.

[@tronray4479]

Debating with folks like Prager is a total waste of time and energy.

[@BarbaraRenovato]

He ìs a fanatical Zionist and is criminally insane!

[@legendofthefall7082]

@dougbarker2227 LMAO the only person Prager has ever made foolish in a debate is himself.

[@ebkspirit4474]

@dougbarker2227 prager is the only one who tells the truth

[@Godisgood1980SA]

Troll

[@Godisgood1980SA]

@@ebkspirit4474 agree

[@Rocko680]

I wonder if Cenk will change his tune since the UN revised its casualty numbers!

[@nimbletimplekins7601]

It's still over 30,000 genius, and over 10,000 confirmed dead children. You people disgust me

[@manfredfinch]

Prager is so arrogant.

[@michaelsilverstein1327]

Such a strong start! Prager, "Where's my camera?" Proceeds to completely ignore moderator and look at the wrong camera. Very on brand.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

He looked at the camera he was told to look at.

[@BIGGS1]

Ya no that was def a production error. He looked at the right camera.

[@michaelsilverstein1327]

Rewatch it. He and the moderator pointed at 2 different cameras and he stuck with his.

[@Dutch_Rudder]

He gives me Dick Chaney vibes lately

[@vibe_depth373]

"Moral Killing" one of the most dangerous phrases I've heard to date.

[@Kimberly-op9xv]

I've been an American citizen my entire life, and I've never been asked if i support Israel. I dont!! I would rather the money go towards funding my own countries needs and infrastructure than go to a country that's using that money to buy my politicians loyalties. America's political system can not, and does not solve its own issues. We're drowning in dysfunction , but our lawmakers are concerned with other countries' issues ....

[@mattfox9063]

Pragur is unbearable

[@mridlon1634]

Dude a cult leader…

[@shmuelsegev2065]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJnPan18ntxpqbcsi=M18TzSaeEeHTNQxs

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

It’s painful when the truth doesn’t match up to your world view.

[@ebkspirit4474]

@@mridlon1634 he is the only one who tells the truth

[@dmitryberman7334]

No, your attitude is unbearable. Just the fact that you have a lot of supporters is concerning. Antisemitism is rise, but the Jewish people of today are prepared to handle all of their enemies. The List of Dead Enemies is long. Get on line.

[@nowthenzen]

Amazingly Dennis Prager seems to actually believe his BS.

[@gibransalazar7769]

He's correct

[@Politicallyhomeless18]

Of course he believes it And he's right.

[@ghostpiratelechuck2259]

It’s real hard to tell. I thought no before, but seeing him here it’s pretty clear the mental faculties have declined significantly. He’s just repeating the same one liners he always uses and doesn’t really seem to be following the conversation.

[@Nicenests]

@@Politicallyhomeless18 Right about what exactly?

[@Politicallyhomeless18]

@@Nicenests The core piece of the conflict. Mainly, that Palestinians don't believe Israel has the right to exist within any border, whether that be 67, 48, or whatever

[@moonagedaydream9426]

Dennis Prager is a 🤡 it’s like he doesn’t even hear anything

[@oystershucksters4206]

Saagar did a great job moderating this debate. If only presidential debates were ran so well...

[@tonytooshort]

I'm so fckin glad David pressed Prager about his disgusting comparison between hamas and the nazi's 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@gibransalazar7769]

How is that disgusting. Hamas and Nazis are basically the same.

[@jameswhite3415]

​@@gibransalazar7769If the jews killed 30 million Germans and the Germans killed 6 million jews in world world War 2 do you seriously believe it would be viewed the same way?

[@katuiran]

​@@gibransalazar7769No listen what David said in rebuttal.

[@zbman1002]

@@katuiran he was incorrect

[@joshuadevamithran3774]

@@katuiran his rebuttal was ridiculous. Obviously Pragar isn’t saying the size and scope of Hamas and the Nazi’s are the same, or the territorial control or mass killings equivalent. He’s arguing that the brazenness with which Hamas acts is greater than the Nazi’s since the Nazi’s tried to hide what they were doing. His rebuttal was a classic example of straw manning to win points in an argument rather than grappling with the actual argument. And Pragar called him out on that.

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

Cenk you dropped my jaw on the Armenians. Wow man. I’m Armenian and didn’t expect to hear that from you. I appreciate the honesty I really do

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

@dougbarker2227 yes he does. I don’t anyone bombarded him and especially Ana on that issue. There was a time when I was writing to them daily on comments and every other way you can think of on that. At least he now acknowledges the truth. That’s an achievement

[@aspectra]

I love Armenians. In Middle School, I became best friends with 1 Armenian, and it soon turned into many, and even being called 'honorary Armenian' by the time I got to High School. I don't agree with most things that Cenk says, but I think he's right on Palestine, and also the Armenian Genocide.

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

@@aspectra that’s so nice to hear. I’m assuming you grew up in Los Angeles? I don’t watch Cenk because of the name of the show, young Turks, plus he is too liberal for me but on the Palestinian issue he is spot on. It’s just that in this show, he shocked me with his comments about the Armenians and Greeks. Didn’t expect that. I guess Ana was able to prove to him with facts that there was genocide because Turks were occupying our lands and we were fighting back just like Palestinians are now. It’s so good to hear about your experience in life with Armenians. All the love!!

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

​@@mr.zeitmaschine6878 Bro, how are you making excuses for him?That would be like if a jew was on a show called the daily gustapp 😅

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

@@dudebro91-fn7rz I’m sorry but what excuse? Where did I make an excuse for him? Which part of what I said was an excuse?

[@trevlynbonaparte]

The war between the Palestinians and Israel has nothing to do with Judaism.

[@joshualane2707]

Cenk needs to publicly come out with a correction about the reference to the casualty numbers after the UN came out yesterday to say the number is less than half of what was previously stated.

[@janicearroyo-wright8529]

Are we going to cherry pick only the things we like about the UN or are we going to take it all or nothing?

[@mohamedfarah1053]

How could you be so insensitive and talk about Hamas stealing food as opposed to Israel annihilating the whole innocent kids, women and elderly in Gaza????!!!!

[@banquetmeal663]

Never thought I would see Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur on the same team.

[@libertatempugnator9643]

Yeah...this threw me for a loop. Also how did they get Dennis to agree to be here?

[@DrStrangelove_]

Both of them have always been on team America bad.

[@Screaming-Bees]

​@@DrStrangelove_ I mean to be fair when was the last time the American government did something objectively good for humanity, and not for their own self interest?

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@Screaming-Bees It is in their own best interest to get re-elected. And the only way they can do that is by following the will of the people as much as possible. I can't think of a single example off The top of my head a politician who did the opposite of what the people wanted and lasted. Politicians I have voted for who did the opposite of I want in recent memory only did so because what I wanted Was what the minority wanted. Not a perfect system, but still better than the other 195 countries by a long shot.

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@Screaming-Bees In short, There is no amount of money politicians can get from any lobbyist. Or any other source that will allow them to Keep getting reelected, doing what is in our worst interest. They might have done what was in our worst interest looking back with 20/20 perfect hindsight, goggles. But at the time we were probably on board with it. P.s . I've been on both sides of this argument and I am still open minded. But the older I get the harder it is to believe that there is a cabal of a small collection of people Who want to make society worse for everyone and they happen to be running it. The vast majority of people are good. The vast majority of people have the best intentions. Unfortunately, however, the vast majority of people happen to be dumb as dirt.

[@waheedsiddiq1553]

Cenk and David won that hands down 👏👏👏

[@gibransalazar7769]

Not really. They never gave a civilian ratio that they were comfortable with. When Dennis brought up that Hamas has the morality of the Nazis, they objected to that. Cenk was yelling half the time, that reduced his argument. They lost imo.

[@rellyj]

How can you say they won?! They didn't even say what the proper ratio should be! Sarcasm of course. They were the only ones speaking with object facts. As Cenk stated, Prager doesn't live on this planet.

[@TheTruthofGodWasEastNowW-cy4tg]

I think the Son of Hamas is greater spokes person vs uygur and Dave. What a great false witness about the land and the people should live? False and lies without ancient proof of evidence. Cenk is originated of Idian skin, and Dave has no relation in Jewish blood. How did they come in the eyes of the world present their judgment yet they don't know the Majesty owner of that land?

[@Dutch_Rudder]

@TriggaHappii I’ve seen her guest on many programs. She’s very sincere, smart, and kind, which is rare for the Israeli side of things lately.

[@notadumbblond3]

So Chenk is saying the Palestinians are Hamas? And what about from the river to the sea? I noticed neither Dave nor Chenk answered about Hamas desire to eradicate every Jew from earth.

[@bengalpixie082]

Bring Richard Medhurst in the debate.

[@jaankuum465]

The funniest moment was when Cenk Uygur said Dennis Prager sounded like his Turkish relatives.

[@celieboo]

This woman straoght up called innocent civilians "the enemy" and pretty much says that mourning for the civilians is showing support for hamas. What a horrible person.

[@gibransalazar7769]

Nope

[@mickc6347]

@dougbarker2227 that's like saying Zionists are God fearing humans with a soul A soul sold to their lord Satan.

[@invadingomen6826]

@dougbarker2227 coping with the fact Israel’s international image has been completely shattered?

[@jamescassidy6717]

She is vile. 3x1 civilian deaths when you are the one running the prison camp is beyond understanding.

[@juliuspryce8514]

​@dougbarker2227probably helps him laugh at u🎉

[@Mrs_Mama_MFT]

Early in the debate and watching with an open mind. That being said, when I teach my clients who struggle with anger management, I have them imagine a debate where one is screaming and the other is calm and ask them who looks the fool and who looks like they are “winning.” Cenk is a clear example the fool you look like when you’re yelling and screaming while the other participants keep their cool and just state their points.

[@pigslave3]

always an exception to the rule

[@microsoftpain]

This is so weird, Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur being on the same debate team, even though those 2 could not be more different. I'm only watching this for Dave. 💀

[@mikelewis495]

Cenk was amazing though. He's wrong on so much but he killed it in this debate

[@theyeticlutch3486]

True​@@mikelewis495

[@Themanhimself677]

Kenk is a great man

[@melissacoupal585]

​@@mikelewis495I thought they were all terrible. I've spent hours and hours researching this and this is the worst debate I've seen yet. None of them did justice to their casues and I actually thought Cenk was the worst. I'm not sure if that's because of my prior knowledge of watching manipulate and mislead on so many things or not though. Regardless, I thought they were all very bad at adding anything new or constructive. I'm sure they did a good job being cheerleaders for the people who watched that have already made up their mind and decided that they have the right of it, but for people coming in unbiased who are just trying to understand and make an informed decision -- this was awful.

[@JohnSmith-sb2fp]

the fact that AIPAC isn't labeled a foreign lobbyist organization is mind boggling.

[@Veronica-di9xi]

If a two state solution is what israel want. Why don't they force that on the Palestinians like they forced the occupation on them. Give them what was agreed in 1967, draw up the "treaty" or by whatever name, and enforce that. Problem solved. The Israeli said they agreed, but Palestine didn't... then force it on them.

[@warrzone910]

21:07 Why are Palestinians separated into two different locations in the first place? 🧐😒

[@stevebrock4275]

Because there is not and never has been a nation of palestine.

[@NoneedtoID]

@@stevebrock4275lmao okay go cope revisionist

[@stevebrock4275]

@@NoneedtoID WTF does that mean? Do you actually have anything of value to say, or do you always just throw out empty little comments like that. Try reading up on history. Or try reading any book. You and people like you are the ones trying to rewrite it. Cope with this.

[@theveteransergeant]

It's hard to watch this kind of stuff when you have unserious participants like Prager.

[@DevilsBackbonePullers]

The comedian Dave Smith was on point.

[@raisedbobcat8266]

Isn’t it crazy that the comedian is the best guy on all of this

[@chrisporter9397]

@@raisedbobcat8266The fact that a standup comedian could come on here and blow out of the water someone like Dennis Prager (a man who’s specialized in this very topic since before Dave was even born) really just goes to show how indefensible Israel’s position is today.

[@mechengineer4life]

b/c he has been covering politics since he saw the light about teh state and economics thanks to the great Ron Paul!!! He's a great comedian but he's even better as a political and cultural analyst and commentator.

[@next4506]

He let the mask slip with respect to his bigotry a couple times

[@next4506]

@@mechengineer4lifeAh yes the great Ron Paul, a presidential candidate who wanted to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964 😂

[@nhlakaniphowiseman4252]

"can you believe they attacking us after 75 years of occupation" 😂😂😂 #Gold...

[@roni_aust1594]

His hair had gone white with years of living, BUT no wisdom poor THING.

[@pioneer540]

Smith is f'n sharp as a knife. Cenk knows his material 💪and dude was right there with him😮💪.

[@cloutfisher7714]

They’re a superteam for sure

[@gibransalazar7769]

Cenk is yelling half the time. Reduced the arguement.

[@juliuspryce8514]

​@gibransalazar7769 did u even watch? Prager and the other lobbyist clown couldn't stop interrupting

[@ZombieLincoln666]

He’s a dunce

[@sethgyan]

🤣🤣 Cenk knows him material? Pro Palestinians are the dumbest group 😂.

[@Gimmemine59]

What do you mean let the voters decide? It’s already clear no matter what our politicians will staunchly stand beside Israel regardless of their actions

[@gregoryreynolds3612]

All they have to do is speak sternly about how they don't approve and then go back to business as usual. Then they get to honor their geopolitical alliances (make money) AND take the moral high ground.

[@cooloutac]

My friend that's because no one votes in America. No one even contacts their politicians. it's just a bunch of children and crazy people on social media complaining which doesn't represent anything and isn't going to change anything.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

The Palestinians voted Hamas into power.

[@cooloutac]

No one votes in America bud that's the problem. They don't even contact their politicians. In fact the only people that even complain of social media or a bunch of kids and crazy people so it doesn't get taken seriously.

[@cooloutac]

@gregoryreynolds3612 Noone votes in American no one contacts their politicians and the only people complaining on social media are a bunch of kids and crazy people no one takes seriously so of course the politicians can do whatever they want.

[@hamsterlife6509]

I've watched Batya on other platforms and she is a cold debater. In this debate she giggles and looks for consensus with Cenk. He even said, "I love ya, Batya, but Yada, Yada, yada." They both moderate each other. Both are ruthless debaters with others. Prager is absolutely insufferable.

[@cholli4141]

You can’t debate people who are willing to lie intentionally. Defeats the purpose.

[@mattfox9063]

Prager around 43:00 mark exemplifies why peace cant be had. He wont admit when his side is in the wrong and only wants to point fingers. His immaturity and pride is embarrassing to watch

[@JCcollazos1]

The fact that Cenk and other guest spend this much time debating a suicidal maniac like Denis Prager is totally insane. The man's a walking contradiction.

[@HSR107]

Prager is such a sleaze.

[@hannua]

It’s so horrific to see some humans & especially women have no empathy for children’s lives.

[@ThePoeticjustice1989]

You know the world has gone to hell when Dave Smith and Cenk are debate partners.

[@harrypitt]

Am curious, why these two are unlikely debate partners.

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@harrypitt They're not. I don't know why I keep seeing this comment. They are both on team America Bad, and always have been.

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@harrypitt there not. There both team Ameriabad

[@cooloutac]

Dave literally lost the whole debate in the first 10 minutes like cenk usually does, when they admit their arguments can be used to defend Hitler but claim it's different because Hitler was less powerful. As if war was supposed to be a fair fight sporting event and it doesn't matter how evil a a government is or how many times they attack others. they should get a pass if they are smaller. That's literally what the whole Palestine vs Israel debate always boils down to and the majority of the world is never going to accept that.

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@cooloutac autobot sides with underdog

[@andrekeefer2034]

Anti Zionism is NOT anti semitism.

[@Jan4Jan4NA]

Wrong, go ahead and learn the definition of Zionism 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@817sports]

@@Jan4Jan4NAZionism is the belief of a Jewish ETHNOSTATE in the Levant. I am against ethnostates they are racist and are morally equivalent to hitlers idea of an aryan race

[@TheRangeroftheWastes]

@@Jan4Jan4NA Define Semite then.......

[@sethgyan]

Being against the only Jewish state existing isn't anti semitism?

[@jasonpillay9909]

@@Jan4Jan4NA

[@Iz0pen]

Seeing Dave & Cenk sitting next to each other on the same side of the table proves that there can be peace!

[@Leonitus333]

Iran is none of our business!

[@seanpatrick1243]

I just fell off my chair hearing Denis Prager claiming he believes in free speech.

[@Wise__guy]

Yeah free for you to hear his speech and only his speech

[@justinsullivan1285]

This was no debate. Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur moped the floor with Prager and her.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

💯

[@jordyb57]

I think it was pretty fair on both sides….

[@NicholasWolfwood-md7vm]

The real question is, how come in this debate and especially ANY discussion or debate that ever gets broadcast on the MSM are the two concepts 1948 Nakba and the Balfor declaration are NEVER brought up ever? Could it be that these are two indefensible concepts and topics🤔.

[@abbamoosawholesalers8391]

Cenk really needs a reality check. The response was never justified as Israel is a Colonialist entity of Europeans mainly that uprooted the natives and stole their land. The hegemony of the West was used to give legality to its creation. Furthermore the illegal occupation has continued since 1967. Anyway, lets leave the Nakba and Occupation aside and consider two other scenarios as of October 7th. 1) Since Israel occupies Palestinian land, has Gaza under siege and Palestinians are dependent on Israel for almost everything, technically Palestinians are considered Israeli citizens. Will it be considered justified for a democratic and sovereign country to indiscriminately drop bombs on its own citizen? 2) Lets say what Hamas invaded was Israeli territory on October 7th. It would would only be correct to retaliate until the Gaza border, beyond that becomes aggression. With regards to the hostages, have you ever seen any hostage incident in the US or Europe where they start firing/bombarding before even attempting to negotiate?

[@Nicenests]

Talking to Prager is like talking to a wall. He’s convinced his opinions are facts and refuses to lose an inch of his Islamophobia

[@cherrypicker1600]

Human ego and pure arrogance

[@joshuadevamithran3774]

Pragar’s entire argument was based on fact where Cenk’s was just yelling genocide genocide when the whole panel had already agreed the term isn’t really accurate lol

[@ThePoeticjustice1989]

Actually less than half of the panel said it’s not a genocide, Ungar conceded that it’s more of an ethnic cleansing, and Dave Smith said he doesn’t care about the term because of its definition, but has called it a genocide in the past. Prager is the only one who said it’s categorically not a genocide. Also Prager sucks ass

[@garywebb2432]

@@joshuadevamithran3774 thats a pivot lmaoo

[@B_Bodziak]

He is like that about every single opinion he has. I cannot stand him, and I cannot believe there are states using him to shape their department of education

[@normandion9943]

Oct 7 been happening to Palestynse before 1967😢

[@antman7628]

Dave Smith I have become a fan.

[@AbrahamAzam]

Every Israeli supporter who goes on these debates always says the exact same thing. Not an original thought goes on their head

[@spicysharkroll6257]

What’s a nuance thought from Hamas supporters ?? Same old resistance bs??

[@AP-op4rc]

@@spicysharkroll6257 No lol 😂 have you ever actually paid any attention to what people calling for ceasefire are saying?

[@AbrahamAzam]

@@spicysharkroll6257 None of these men on the panel are Hamas supporters. Also their are many arguments made against the occupation not just by Muslims but by Jews who survived the holocaust. Id encourage you to do your research.

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

​@@AbrahamAzam Dave Smith literally acknowledged that hamas is a terrorist organization that commits atrociplease.But that's not good enough for the Zionist.S they'll still call him hamas supporter for having any sympathy for palestinians.

[@ZombieLincoln666]

Maybe because it’s the truth?

[@corysimmons455]

That dennis guy is crazy and makes absolutely no sense that woman lying as well

[@charleswilson5661]

Could someone ask the guy against American soldiers pulling out of Afghanistan, if he wanted the Americans to occupy the country permanently?

[@leedee3095]

If Israel did nothing after the Hamas attack. What do you think would have happened? What is the difference between Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah?

[@mihnea919]

the thing is that you need not look further than Northern Ireland and the acts of terrorism they commited and yet there was no religion doctrine as the basis for it. Occupation always ends in terrorism because the occupation itself shows that the oppressed can in no way shape or form win a land war against their oppressor so they have to resort to other tactics like Terrorism. It is a sad truth but we have multiple examples just like Ireland to confirm this

[@mihnea919]

Also the difference is that the Houthis are not funded by Qatar, and Qatar and Saudi Arabia are funding the groups fighting against them mainly Isis and Al Qaeda

[@jeremyb6013]

Why did anyone listen to or respect Dennis Prager

[@nelsonpereira4442]

because they think he is clown.. and people like clowns..

[@robr3512]

why aint Cenk & Ana complaining at all the muslim vs muslim violence Reply

[@user-yj8wp7wj8k]

Cenk's definition of Genicide could be applied to any war.

[@evanb4189]

And he says the Armenian genocide was just a war.

[@randymiller6665]

Cenk DEFENDS capitalism with every fiber of his being... but HE'S RIGHT ON EVERY SINGLE TOPIC HE SPOKE ABOUT!

[@jr3608]

If Cenk Uygur and Dave Smith can be on the same side of a debate in this historic event, then fixing all of the problems in the Middle East are way easier than I thought up until this moment.

[@ghostpiratelechuck2259]

Dennis: “I don’t differentiate between you two.” 😂😂😂

[@crustys6900]

@@ghostpiratelechuck2259 yeah that's insane, the people who can't see the difference between cenk and smith (The most diametrically opposed ideologically people in this debate) shouldn't have the right to vote because they're clearly captured by either Israeli or Raytheon talking points.

[@nealorr5086]

@@crustys6900 The lady on the other side sure sounded a lot like a Democrat to me. Her only point is that Israel should be treated held to the same standards that USA or European countries are, and it is not.

[@TheSpaniard-5337]

Equaiting dominance with justification is fallacious. In his opening Dave seems to be saying that because of this inbalance in power or dominance, Israel's actions are somehow not justified. It sounds the same kind of argument as referring to the number of casualities as a deciding factor who is on the right. Maybe I missunderstood what he was saying...

[@DeRussellMasina]

That first guy seemed...bias 😅 Saying what's happening in Gaza isn't genocide is wild

[@jaredmello]

By your standard, every country that participated in any modern war is guilty of genocide

[@detrockcity3]

Name them, Dennis? Really? ZeroHedge viewers aren't as stupid as your listeners. Let's name them: the King David Bombing and the USS Liberty, just for some starters that will hit close to home for this audience. Then let's move on to: Baldat al-Shaikh Massacre, the Yehida Massacre, the Khisas Massacre, the Qazaza Massacre, The Semiramis Hotel Massacre, Al-Sheikh Village Massacre, the Deir Yassin Massacre, the Naser Al-Din Massacre, the Tantura Massacre, Beit Daras Massacre, the Dahmash Mosque Massacre, Dawayma Massacre, among others in '47-48; the Sharafat Massacre of '51; the Kibya Massacre of '53; the Khan Yunis Massacre, the Gaza City Massacre, and the Kafr Qasem Massacre of '56; the Al-Sammou' Massacre of '66; the Kawnin Massacre and the Aitharoun Massacre of '75; the Hanin Massacre and the Bint Jbeil Massacre of '76; the Abbasieh Massacre and the Adloun Massacre of '78; the Saida Massacre and the Fakhani Massacre of '81; the Sabra & Shatila Massacre of '82 (in Lebanon, but still slaughtering refugees); the Jibsheet and Sohmor Massacres of '84; in 1985, the Maaraka, Zrariah, Jibaa, Yohrnor, and Horneen Al-Tahta Massacres occurred; the Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre in '86; the Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre in '87; the Oyon Qara Massacre, the Siddiqine Massacre, and the Al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre of '90; the Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, the Jabalia Massacre, and the Eretz Checkpoint Massacre, all in 1994, along with the Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre and the Nabatyaih School BUS Massacre; the Qana Massacre in 1996; Janta in '98; in '99, the 29th of June Massacre and the Western Bekaa Villages Massacre; another al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre in 2000; Lebanon in 2006, where 900 of the 1100 killed were civilians; the Operation "Cast Lead" Gaza Massacre in 2009, which killed 1300 women, children, and elderly; the Gaza Siege in 2012; and the 2014 Operation "Protective Edge" Gaza Massacre, in which 2,150 people were killed, 578 of them children and 70-75% of them civilians. This was not even a comprehensive exercise...

[@zachariahtoothman2168]

September 11

[@black_sheep_nation]

And how many peace agreements and land treatiess have the Israeli Governments violated? Oslo, Camp David, to name a few

[@priyanka5316]

Beautiful reply, and thank you! I am copying your response because its the truth that matters and needs to be shared!

[@Rescheff]

There was never Palestinian State or Nation befor 1988. after the war of 1948 The west bank was annext by Jordan, and the Daza strip was annexed by Egipt. where was the Palestine resistance then...????

[@Ordovician71]

Openly admits that Stalin killed more people but insists Hitler was “bigger scum.” Completely clueless.

[@codyvandal2860]

Guess it depends on 'which' people were the victims to him doesnt it? 🤔

[@TraverseTex]

This is how a debate should be run. While there were a few moments of intense rebukes, it was mostly civil while remaining very passionate arguments for both sides.

[@wcmc4250]

You've got to respect the fact that all these people with completely different vantage points agreed to this debate. No one is perfect in debate but the exchange of ideas is so essential to understanding these problems

[@Woodywp56]

Amazing Cenk holds himself as a good debater. 😂😂😂

[@jaythomas3224]

I'm not surprised. Just be against Colonizers and it's understandable

[@o.z.p.]

Is she thinking independently? or she's reading off of something? Get rid of lobbying.

[@SteveSmith-hm8ny]

I stopped counting Prager's strawmen after three. Have some self-respect dude.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

It’s painful when the truth doesn’t match up to your world view.

[@SteveSmith-hm8ny]

@Outdoorsguy1212 People with truth on their side have no need for strawmen.

[@moffattF]

The moderator talked tough but failed to follow through by not stopping people from talking over each other.

[@priyanka5316]

I liked that there was some push and shove; no one got out of hand and you have to admit the topic is pretty intense.

[@rollerboogie]

Cenk always makes these arguments and they don’t make much sense with context. At this point his canned rants that don’t change over time almost feel like a standup act. Hes not rationally adjusting his views he’s just doing a show.

[@traviswebb3532]

Prager trying to bring everything back to ww2 is a losing argument.

[@AndrewofVirginia]

It's as if you're not allowed to question the actions of the largest bloodiest most devastating war in world history. Weird, especially since it's not rare for normal people to strongly question the legitimacy of nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I mean plenty of folks will just say straight up that it was genocide.

[@johnsolodovesky582]

you can never defend the blockade of food and water to 2 million people.

[@lindaflesch7303]

No

[@jordyb57]

Nobody is starving in Gaza

[@3naturalBionutrition]

​@jordyb57 that's NOT what the statement said. You're moving the goalposts.

[@zm20109]

@@jordyb57 yeah , exactly nobody is starving in Gaza Only three died in a car wreck not by the Israeli IDF no no no no that’s a lie Everybody in Gazza is having a great time Party all night nobody is hungry they’re having filet mignon and oysters every evening I saw at least five Palestinian families having wine and dining The kids were playing in the courtyard. Their two teenagers sons took their girlfriends to the prom. I can’t believe this Palestinian propaganda I don’t know what that Hamas propaganda is talking about

[@joeatheist3545]

Did we supply aid to the Germans during WW2?

[@trevlynbonaparte]

I totally agree that America should Get out of a Palestine. America is the real problem arming the Israelis

[@andysharp9635]

"Which camera?" *immediately looks directly at the wrong one*

[@mc-lb9dk]

without zionists no hamas. ergo

[@jordyb57]

Hamas states they want to kill all Jews, all over the world

[@kamrunnaharnitol9738]

No one has a problem with a Jewish state. But you can't just steal land and just keep saying we are the only jew state. Your stand should be based on legality. Indians were living in India for all their lives so they didn't just come from somewhere and made it a hindu state. That's no way related to Israel.

[@sipp91]

Nothing was stolen. They literally came there during the time when the land was legally owned by the league of nations and later Britain after the falls of ottoman. You talk about legality yet you clearly missed on that.

[@gluehfunke1547]

People are confused. They don’t understand that Israel was built on the expulsion of an entire civilization already living there. They just hear bed time stories about Jewish tribes living there 3,000 years ago and think that’s somehow the same thing as Zionism.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

​@@sipp91 Yes completely ignore the native already living there before the settlers violently forced them out.

[@MrSportz1234]

So where should the Jewish state be if not their ancestral homeland where the majority of Jews reside?

[@sipp91]

@@dalekrenegade2596 that's after 1947 UN partition when there was civil war going on to establish the state. Violence and displacement after partition is not unusual. Doesn't change the fact that migrants came there legally before partition.

[@antman7628]

Dennis needs to go away. He does not help the world with his conversation.

[@Fergieh8er12]

Yeah, Dennis and Cenk were pretty equivalent in their lack of historically accurate foundations and arguments.

[@a.rogers9358]

Dennis Prager is so disingenuous and got owned 😂🤣

[@slfranklin9044]

Agree!! Not even sure why anyone would attempt to have a conversation with him.

[@poewitx]

Last year on his radio show Prager said it would be good if every American had an Israeli flag in their window … um … do we live in Israel?

[@jameswhite3415]

We want to be spared God's terrible wrath by showing absolute unconditional support for the people who rejected his message.

[@phirephate]

Never thought I'd see the day when Dave Smith and Cenk were on the same team for any issue. And they crushed Prager.

[@nealorr5086]

Really, because even the most liberal of Democrats agree that Smith is full of it. MSNBC pointing out that Smith is a Hamas propagandist: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXnao4eVh92Xo5I

[@julianvega2677]

No one offered the Jews a "peace deal" turkey still doesn't offer the Armenians and kurds a peace deal.

[@SherwinChow-cg3nw]

David Plager has the audacity of comparing Hamas to Nazis? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂He should have watched the Hague’s ICCJ presentation which ruled ‘plausible’ genocide.

[@redmed10]

Its hilarious how on the one hand she admits the horrible destruction wrought by Israeli forces and almost in the same sentence minimises it.

[@shmuelsegev2065]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJnPan18ntxpqbcsi=M18TzSaeEeHTNQxs

[@cooloutac]

Because to most people war is not a fair fight like a sporting event. When the same arguments can be used to defend Hitler and the only reply to that is but Hitler was more powerful, the debate is over.

[@dc741]

She has no conscious like the rest of the thugs in her stolen land

[@kyleolson9636]

She does not minimize the destruction, she minimizes any implication of evil intent from the Israelis. If you start a war against a more powerful opponent while stationing your troops in a civilian populated area, you are primarily culpable when 10 civilians die for every combatant killed. Total death on each side of a war is a factor of battle tactics, military strength, and success, not the level of evil intent on each side. The Japanese were the clear aggressor in WW2, yet their casualties were 20 times higher than the Americans. I can both admit to the devestation the US caused in the Pacific while also not considering these actions as evil.

[@cooloutac]

@@kyleolson9636 Because that can't be proven. If there is any evil intent they are hiding it. Unlike Hamas and Iran who publicly call for the extermination of Jews. Whether they are throwing rocks or missiles is irrelevant. Chenk and David admitted Hamas is morally equivalent to the Nazis. Period.

[@davidfich957]

Is no one going to respond to Cenks great take on lobbying? Money is corrupting what’s left of our democracy.

[@SallyAlmito]

Exactly!!!

[@neilmcquaid6105]

Leave The Past Alone..You Can't Get To The Future Through The Past...You Are Just Burning Yourself Out As Their Is NO FUTURE For You..

[@49Newlife]

Don’t forget, Satan, is at work.

[@nigelralphmurphy2852]

Why does anyone ever listen to Dennis Prager? Everyone knows what he think and what he'll say on all topics. He doesn't change his mind, so why listen to him? It's craziness. Just get a recording of him and play it over and over and over. That's your Dennis Prager interview.

[@nkurdy288]

Exactly, no point in debating a man yelling libel because he thinks that israel hasn’t committed any atrocities against Palestinians.

[@susan073054]

I posted like 5 comments and they all have zero minutes. Am I being blocked?

[@vickybequette5167]

That's because truth isn't wishy, washy

[@3naturalBionutrition]

He is disingenuous

[@GabrieleMelucci]

Prager is a prisoner of his own derangement.

[@SanakoriApito]

Dennis and Batya are cold-blooded

[@shivasive]

When it comes to the civilian vs hamas ratio, why does nobody bring up the point the Israel has already stated they don't know the difference because hamas wears civilian clothes, but then has an estimate of how many hamas militants vs civilians have been killed? Couldn't even tell the difference between hamas and unarmed hebrew speaking Israeli hostages? Everything they say is contradictory bullshit.

[@reeteshappadoo7032]

Dennis Preager talking about morals 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂