Debate: DOES GOD EXIST? - Sadat Anwar vs. Charles Lehmann

Public Debate: "DOES GOD EXIST?"
Sadat Anwar (MDI Canada) vs. Charles Lehmann (Guelph Campus Atheists)
Wednesday, February 26, 2020
University of Guelph - Ontario, Canada
Hosted by Guelph Muslim Students Association
#muslimatheistdebate #atheistmuslim
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00:02:58 : Opening Comments - Charles
00:13:15 : Opening Comments - Sadat
00:23:30 : 1st Supporting Argument - Charles
00:28:44 : Rebuttal - Sadat
00:31:54 : Counter Rebuttal - Charles
00:34:05 : 1st Supporting Argument - Sadat
00:39:15 : Rebuttal - Charles
00:42:22 : Counter-Rebuttal - Sadat
00:44:30 : 2nd Supporting Argument - Charles
00:49:37 : Rebuttal - Sadat
00:52:52 : Counter Rebuttal - Charles
00:55:00 : 2nd Supporting Argument - Sadat
01:00:18 : Rebuttal - Charles
01:03:27 : Counter Rebuttal - Sadat
01:05:38 : 3rd Supporting Argument - Charles
01:11:20 : Rebuttal - Sadat
01:14:25 : Counter Rebuttal - Charles
01:16:45 : 3rd Supporting Argument - Sadat
01:22:06 : Rebuttal - Charles
01:25:22 : Counter Rebuttal - Sadat
01:28:30 : Closing Arguments - Charles
01:36:43 : Closing Arguments - Sadat
01:45:00 : Questions & Answers
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[@mustafaT09]

I enjoyed Sadat Anwar's points, and I also have a lot of respect for Charles Lehmann, he didn't come in arrogantly.

[@fearnonebutone4977]

His denial of Allah and rejection of the Message of Islam is the biggest form of arrogance possible.

[@mustafaT09]

@@fearnonebutone4977 yes but he remained respectful my brother. He had akhlaq. Whereas the likes of Lawrence krauss came in very arrogantly in his opening and throughout the debate.

[@A1.4U]

@@mustafaT09 the one with hamza?🤣🤣

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Sadat Anver's exposition appeals to an intelligent person._*

[@khilafahbaqiyahsaadedeenau425]

Still can't understand how self defence in regards to mujahideen repelling an armed force in iraq is classified as killling innocent people

[@covffchannel]

Excellent debate

[@BazDawah]

MaaShaaAllah tabarakAllah awesome

[@attilatorontodawah9165]

Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators ? 52:35 Quran Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain. 52:36 When you meet an atheist ask them to define the meaning of the word "nothing". You will hear so much verbal diarrhea and dancing around. Be intellectually persistent to have them define it adequately. Once you archive that target then move to the law of physics and the existence of material and energy matter.

[@rehanmat6389]

I met an atheist once who thought nothing meant a vacuum. Smh

[@RealVerses]

I love brother Sadat's pragmatic approach in answering the contentions.

[@Goofydo]

Does God Exist?... Without God i can’t exist... Everything around us is so complex and so organised... Definitely there is a creator.

[@arjoonseetaram1803]

Who is God ,the God who crushed the head of the devil while we are gapping and the attack, He is the true God. You can hear the power of God that delivers you.

[@aboowe4801]

@MDI no more debates?

[@عبدالقادر-س8ب6ض]

Theres covid

[@syedahmedshaheer117]

While I enjoyed br sadats point I don't understand why empiricism is problematic. We can be empiricist and religious. No issues. Same with utilitarianism. Also skepticism is a bad Outlook

[@Abdallah_79916]

U based your empiricism on something u CANNOT have empiricism on You’re mind. Which then u use to do all that. So empiricism is one of the ways to truth, but not the ONLY WAY to Truth.

[@syedahmedshaheer117]

@@Abdallah_79916 I don't see why not.

[@Abdallah_79916]

@@syedahmedshaheer117 u don’t see why what? That empiricism is the only way to truth?

[@syedahmedshaheer117]

@@Abdallah_79916 nope, what can't you have empiricism on mind?

[@Abdallah_79916]

@@syedahmedshaheer117 the brain 🧠 isn’t the location of your mind bruh. You’re telling me that you don’t know this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5fWgZ-qnNV0hZo

[@Steveanthonyx]

The year 2000 had the whole World running to places of worship in an attempt to make things right with God. Banks were busier than usual with the masses withdrawing unneeded dividends. Supermarket shelves empty, with confusion everywhere among the masses. What was the reason for the chaos, for those questioning the existence of Almighty God?

[@mr.goosebump7820]

Bruh idk what you’re saying. 2000 was really a chill year for us muslims. Just like other years. Things changed for us in 2001 after 9/11 attack and there’s still not that much hate for us now as it was after the attack. Back to the subject. Nothing bad really happened to muslim lands in 2000. Remembering and worshipping god is just their everyday thing. They’ve been doing that since 1450 years.

[@Steveanthonyx]

Mr. Goosebump I forwarded a video in the message questioned, that was blocked and my account suspended but, was referring to ”Y2K.” The videos can still be seen on this medium.

[@AtheismActually]

You may invoke the fine-tuning argument once you can demonstrate that the universe is a one-shot phenomenon. A cosmic universe blower/radiator that spits out universes across all constant values works just fine for us experiencing our spacetime bubble/slice, without additionally presuming that it be planned for some inscrutable purpose (not to mention lacking an explanation for the colossal amounts of debris, dust, and death it took to get to a one-planet arena for the "testing" of one species of hominid. Furthermore, fine-tuning implies that God himself would be limited, sitting outside the universe, twiddling the knobs to get the physical parameters juuuuust right, even though he is supposed to be omnipotent.

[@roneddy]

Fine tuning doesn't imply your last sentence. God is omnipotent that's why the universe is able to have planets and stars and humans since it was designed that way.

[@omaribnalahmed5967]

A cosmic universe blower 😭😂 I hate this objection to the fine tuning argument it's so dumb simply what created it who enabled it?

[@maxpayne3628]

@@omaribnalahmed5967 I want to meet you some day!

[@omaribnalahmed5967]

@@maxpayne3628 haha! Found each other once again, inshallah my bro BTW check out another of these channels trying to debunk islam I personally think its the worst one because he doesn't even offer any arguments he is called 'socrates son'

[@maxpayne3628]

@@omaribnalahmed5967 There's one guy. Hassan Radwan. He has never been debunked, for some reason.

[@killermoon635]

I watched 25 min so far and sorry for my bad engish I want to say that Atheism simply means I don't believe in god. It is not ideology that explains how universe came from or whatever. Two athiest can have two different opinion about that.I don't believe in Allah for same reason I don't believe in Ghost or invisible unicorn. Because there is no evidence for the existence for these beings (not to mention those 'magical' beings violates the laws of physics). I can easily come up with billion of magical mystical creatures from my mind, but there is no reason to believe in any of these if there is no evidence. Most muslims don't even believe in most of they mystical creatures for same reason I do. Difference between me and muslims is that I add Allah, Jinns .... to that list of things I don't believe Scientist already explains how many things in universe forms (like sun, orbits etc) without need for some magical supernatural being. But let us pretend for moment that we don't know anything. How does lack for explanation proves anything ?? If you don't know how universe, sun or how life formed it simply means you don't know. Lack of explanation is not proof for Allah. The guy simply claims it is Allah but it just a claim, he does not know anything. He still does not know if Allah created universe, he does not know how he created it, he does not know how Allah function, he does not know why Allah has personality and talks with human through some prophets secretly in some mountains. He only claims that it is Allah which does not actually answer anything. In fact you added more questions without answering anything, because not only you did not explain how universe created or formed, but you also added more questions about allah himself.

[@One-rr8um]

The debate is not about the mechanisms God(if he exists) takes to do things or how God is. The debate is about if God exists. Belief is not necessarily has to be proven rather it is is due to reasons. By definition, God is everlasting, omniscient, creator of everything (space, time, matter/energy ). So asking about God's ability and actions is like asking what was before time and space started to exist at very beginning of time's journey (science will not consider this question in the first place rather than answering, because it's impossible to know scientifically) . Well, islamically the question is not invalid but fair questions. The answer is, we know as much God has revealed us and as much capabilities to understand the nature and universe. What I want to mean that scientific naturalism is not the only route to knowledge for theists. Both groups, theists and atheists are unable to prove /disprove God's existence using the tool science. So, dragging science into believe system and making it the only way to truth is a faulty approach. History of science tells us how science is always improving and getting corrected over time. So, if you use science as the only tool, you will access only 'apparent truth' and there's a possibility that current understanding is a approximation of some more general /objective understanding. Lack of understanding doesn't prove God's existence, but it doesn't disprove either. That's why we say 'we believe God exists'. We don't say it's a fact for everyone that God doesn't exist. Rather, atheists should say, "we believe God doesn't exist " not stating it like that it's a fact, rather it's their perception of everything . It's not a proven fact. If this is so, I would say, both groups are honest in approaching it.

[@KryptonKr]

I would also like to add that muslims don’t believe in Allah without any evidences. We don’t believe in Allah blindly or with no reason but to just believe. No, we HAVE reasons to believe in Allah. The Quran was a revelation from Allah to US. That’s HOW we get knowledge about the existence of Allah. The knowledge contains in the Quran is not from OUR UNIVERSE. It’s from OUTSIDE space, time and matter/energy. That’s what’s unique about Islam. This is our claim that the knowledge in the Quran is not from Earth. The message in the Quran was passed down every words exactly from Allah to Jibril and he taught Muhammad (SAW) the words. How can a random arab person in the middle of nowhere who cannot read or write made something up like the Quran? It’s impossible, especially if we look at the history of the man, the prophet, the Messenger. He was never known to lie to anyone, his whole 40 years in Makkah, before he met Jibril. He was known to be trustworthy and never told a lie and always tell the truth. This is reported by thousands of Arabs that knew him or met him and was recorded in history and the hadith. If you actually READ the Quran, a man cannot write such a book. I know that many people actually don’t read the Quran at all, many muslims don’t understand what the Quran is saying. Try to read it because it’s impossible for a book like the Quran to be written by a man. The book took 23 years to finish its revelation. How can this book have no contradictions? There’s absolutely no naturalist explanation for this except for a supernatural one. The Quran was an oral tradition NOT a book when it finished its revelation. They did wrote down and another miraculous thing is that how he can organise all the chapters of the Quran without making contradictions? They way the book is compiled is just impossible for a man to write it.

[@dakwahimpor2237]

Metaphysical things like magic and djinn are real. If you ever experienced what i've been through, surely you can't deny it anymore.

[@maxpayne3628]

Atheism doesn't care about that. Atheism by definition is Belief that God doesn't exist. Atheism comes from word atheos.

[@kaifyusufzai8622]

@@maxpayne3628 who says there isn't any proof of Allah swt He revealed Quran on last prophet Muhammad pbuh , Quran contains many such verses which so accurately talk about things which have been proven scientifically... There isn't a single mistake in whole Qur'an, atheism is nothing but a lisence to be an animal " a purposeless life"