Debate: James White and Abdulah Hamimi

Divine Scripture: Bible or Qur'an? This took place in Melbourne, Australia.
#christianity #bible #islam #andrewcourtis #debate

[@marlayna6293]

I have so much respect for this man's knowledge and dedication to serving our Lord and Savior. (Dr. James White) every single one of his debates he blows it out of the water!. Thank you!

[@iamgoogle2223]

I agree

[@Spectreplyz]

@javier we shouldnt hate people mate

[@pink_kino]

@@sorkumshah9846 Apostle Paul was around the same time as the other Apostles and they all died(Except John) for their faith they were all martyred for it, you need to stop fucking scapegoating Apostle Paul lmaooo 1 Corinthians 9 isnt remotely about that read the whole damn chapter instead of cherrypicking lmaoo ALSO Muhammad died the same way the Quran says a Fase Prophet should die by Severed Aorta 69:44 if [the Prophet] had attributed some fabrication to Us, 69:45 We would certainly have seized his right hand 69:46 and cut off his aorta, Sahīh al-Bukhārī The sickness of the Prophet (ﷺ) and his death Narrated ʿAisha: The Prophet (ﷺ) in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O ʿAisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." Reference: Sahīh al-Bukhārī 4428 given the treatment of women, polytheists, Jews and Christians its almost poetic he'll die to a Lamb served to him by a Jewish Woman full of poison where Muhammad said he feels his aorta severed

[@pink_kino]

@@sorkumshah9846 then dont try and appropriate our scripture lmao Apostle Paul didnt change anything the Deity of Christ was Preached by all the Apostles and they were all killed for their faith and martyred (except John the Apostle)

[@andrewtyson7670]

James White long as he continue earning millions from Christians he is ok and will carry on preaching. He will announce that he is atheist soon as he doesn’t get a paycheck from Christians

[@chad5767]

Very encouraging to watch debaters like James R. White. I’ve watched a handful of his older 90’s debates and you can certainly tell he is taking it easy on this younger Muslim. Must have been frustrating to navigate the constant interruptions and dodge tactics from his opponent. It’s clear Dr. White went into this debate with the goal to educate rather than outspeak. This isn’t a virtue many young debaters have now days. They seem to be much more concerned with “winning” the debate rather than going through the laborious process of peeling back layers of truth through immense preparation and healthy oral discourse. God bless Dr. White!

[@ZA90224]

👍

[@heidirobinson3352]

Every knee will bow & every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.

[@darthbane2669]

Amen

[@west66bestx83]

If ALLAH wills it

[@Peanut888..]

@@west66bestx83lm sorry but the devil can’t will anything!

[@jacobwoods614]

Jesus is Lord Amen 🙏🏻

[@muhammedeminali3627]

Jesus bowed down to God because he was amuslim

[@christianortenzio8615]

So grateful for the camera man who drove out multiple hours to capture this footage for free (He's name was Cameron if I remember correctly). Appreciate it man!

[@spinkscapes775]

You are welcome.

[@jimpemberton]

Between the video and the audio recording, it was an excellent production.

[@ashdivakaran9664]

Hey bud, where was this debate? Spewing I missed it.

[@LB-lx8iq]

@@spinkscapes775 do u have Instagram?

[@samkuzba2475]

Cameron the camera man !

[@michellemalan5228]

Dr White is so respectful. I love that I'm Christian but I've seen so many Christian debaters which put me to shame by how childishly they ridicule others

[@rajeshshetty4862]

I had heard about Dr. James but just recently started watching his debates and he has really blown me up. James is really a scholar of highest order. Every debate he brings in new points . Every Christians should learn from him . His faith ,the way he defends historical Christian position. I just pary we have more like Dr james to carry forward God's work

[@irshaadpangaker5085]

Yes I agree James white must take the man gods work forward... R u serious.. U polytheist man worshipers

[@rajeshshetty4862]

@@irshaadpangaker5085 such response from an muslim in line with their prophet behaviour is what I expected .

[@irshaadpangaker5085]

@@rajeshshetty4862 praising a man who teaches people to worship man gods must be told as is but u shud know man gods nothing new for u

[@rajeshshetty4862]

@@irshaadpangaker5085 Following Man made God of Islam just to fullfill personal desire of Mohammad. You should know better 🤣

[@rajeshshetty4862]

@@irshaadpangaker5085 . In fact, such views can be taken as symptomatic of all that has caused the backwardness of Muslim countries. The real issue, as Turkish scholar Mustafa Akyol has described it, is the “reopening of Muslim minds”. It is about turning to reason, freedom, tolerance and enlightenment.

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

At 1:13:00, Hamimi is upset that Dr. White is quoting Jesus' words from the 1st century but he can quote Jesus' words from the 7th century....It's completely surreal....

[@carolynjo2578]

Choice Meat Randy yeA that blow my mind too... it’s so crazy...

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

@@sorkumshah9846 What?

[@IsraeliteDefense]

@@sorkumshah9846 we understand that there are many contemporary Qurans(whether they be oral or written). Your claim is that the Quran has been perfectly preserved from its proclamation from the mouth of Mohammed, But how are we able to verify that if Mohammed isn’t here?

[@ManoverSuperman]

Yeah, that’s always a point I ask Muslims about that always dumbfounds me. Also, I couldn’t believe how sloppy the epistemology of Abdullah was when he basically wanted to retroactively proclaim the Quran’s claims about Jesus true by sidestepping the question and (ironically) employing circular logic to justify said claims.

[@panaderiatecnica5922]

ye sir !!

[@Trivium1989]

"Documentation is something we can examine; a dead person's memory is something we cannot." That was a mic drop moment.

[@MrTuticmen]

What documentation is the thing. Where is the documentation that compiles the bible within the first 3 centuries?

[@shawnstephens6795]

@@MrTuticmen ...God said that truth must be established by two or three witnesses...the bible has 35 divinely inspired authors...the quran has 1...that's a huge red flag in itself.

[@carlosmuller3565]

The savageness of James White gets pettier and pettier every debate. I love it

[@Trivium1989]

M T - I’m not sure what you mean, mate. But, let’s say there wasn’t, wouldn’t this be proof of the Quran’s unreliability, since it affirms the inspiration, preservation and authority of the revelations (i.e., Torah, Psalms, Ingil, et al) which preceded it? Surely, in being consistent, you’d have to say yes, in which case, the Quran and Islam are false. If no, then you’d have to retract your underlying assumptions, as this would still render Islam and the Quran false, given the fact it confirms the Bible as trustworthy, yet contradicts the scriptures it claims to be a completion of. A bit of a dilemma, no?

[@spacewater5866]

both have pris and cons.

[@iThinkBiblically]

James White is a great debater, I love his debates. The problem with his ministry is that he doesn't get much exposure in the Muslim world. He should try youtube advertisement and other social media advertisement options. I would be willing to contribute to a social media ad campaign.

[@Hamza000h]

I dont think so friend, james white is one of the only christian speakers that muslims respect as most of the others such as wood are scumbags. So much respect for white that i clicked on this video just to support him lol

[@interpretingscripture8068]

@@Hamza000h Dr White is one of my favorites for sure! :) Wood can be sarcastic and I have disagreed with his methods at times....yet many Muslims have come to Faith as a result of his ministry..including our late brother Nabeel Qureshi....so before denegrating a brother and his entire ministry you may want to check with God first.

[@Hamza000h]

@@interpretingscripture8068 im a muslim and i cant stand david wood and the rest of the scumbags. Infact if a christian mentions or follows them i will no longer engage in the conversation as their arguments are literally lies and insincere. James white i love as he is sincere and an academic.

[@interpretingscripture8068]

@@Hamza000h Thank you for clarifying your position my friend and for correcting my assumption that you were a Christian. I have a number of Muslim friends myself and do not seek to offend them with insults etc....nor do I hurl insults as Muslim apologist whom I believe at times may be insincere for only God knows the true motives of a man. My point is...that While I disagree with David Wood on his tactics at times...i cannot judge his motives that only God really knows. However I can examine the information he presents. Dr James White is my one of my favorites and he does operate on a scholarly level and seems to have a heart for the Gospel and people while David Wood operates more as a researcher. I haven't listened to Wood in a long time but he seemed to have a sincere heart for God and Truth as well as People...though Only God knows his heart. My question to you would be...why do you think he is sincere....and what do you believe he says are lies? I'm not defending all his tactics....but I am curious about what information you believe are false? Thanks :)

[@Hamza000h]

@@interpretingscripture8068 thanks brother. I as a sincere thinking muslim can assure you david wood is not sincere, he lies blatantly through his teeth even when corrected he doubles down on his lies. James white on the other hand will call out his mistakes and apologise. James white is the equivalent of dr shabir ally who i love so much. They both encourage peace between the two religions rather than hate and animosity such as calling the prophet muhammad a pedo etc as david wood and co do. I feel there are many christian apolgosts who play this card and also a few muslim apologists but not near as much (although they need to be called out aswell) In terms of arguments distorting and misquoting the hadith and verses of the quran as wood and co does is unacceptable. He does this with a grin on his face and his ignorant followers cheer him on, he obviously knows how he manipulates the context and meaning of the passages. James white doesnt do this, he brings true arguments and quotes in the context and accurately and doesnt use e.g. Allah is the moon god or ‘age of aisha’ as an argument (i assure u this is one of the worst arguments as many muslims reject this hadith in the first place and is conflicting with other hadith on her age). There are numerous examples of this. I feel alot of the followers of these apologist channels are just trying to win one over on the other group and are not sincere for truth. Thats why i advocate shabir ally and james white as they advocate fornthe search for knowledge through sincere and academic aprroach and most importantly remind the viewers to love and respect the other group. Peace bro any questions im here

[@robertalsbury]

Islam - believe the memorization of men who lived 600 years after Christ but not the 25,000 documents attesting to the NT scriptures 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@firstnamelastname2552]

I'm very thankful to have access to resources like this. God bless James White. Thanks for uploading.

[@xiayolevis6033]

James White got owned in this debte. Watch it again removing the glass of Bias

[@firstnamelastname2552]

@@xiayolevis6033May God bless you and grant you salvation by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ. You will not see heaven unless you repent and believe the gospel. Believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins. There is no other way.

[@xiayolevis6033]

@@firstnamelastname2552 Ohh is it? Let me ask you some question then. Even for the sake of argument if i agree that the bible is reliably transmitted you still got no proof whatsoever for Trinity. There are no verses of the bible which says there are 3. Now in the end what gives anyone the firm conclusion that there are 3 divine persons and even if i agree to that how you are gonna prove they are equal and even if i agree to that how you are gonna prove there are only 3? You cannot. Islam is the truth. See how God directly addresses christians like you in the Quran, He says "O People of the Scripture (Christians), do not commit excess in your religion or say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of GOD and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in GOD and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, GOD is but one GOD. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is GOD as Disposer of affairs'

[@peytonsingh6258]

@@xiayolevis6033 Matthew 28:19- Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 1 John 5:7- For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14- And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 10:30-33~ I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Colossians 2:8-9~ Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. The Jews that didn't believe in Christ when Christ was walking the earth understood that Christ was claiming to be God. A few questions: What do you believe it means for someone to be the "Son of God"? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is God or is one with God? and How does a muslim go to Heaven? God bless you my friend and Jesus loves you! John 3:16- For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[@cpnhowdy]

@@xiayolevis6033 Oh my, listen again. If anyone got "owned" it was Abdulah. He came very ill prepared and came with horrible arguments. Dr White refuted him on every point.

[@VisionOnDuty]

"documentation is something we can examine a dead persons memory we cannot!" Dr. White 🔥

[@robbiehalter5614]

@Muhammad Khan dude the bible was not originally written in English, there is gonna be revised editions but the explanation is forever gonna be the same. The people who make it's revised editions are and will be quite knowledge able because they'll surely keep in mind the verse because God is to be feared over anyone or anything.

[@danielsparham]

@Muhammad Khan the Quran has undergone hundreds of changes what are you talking about

[@danielsparham]

@Muhammad Khan I just don’t think that’s a good argument, I didn’t become a Christian until I was 20 and it was after I study the history of Christianity and Jesus and then compared it to every other religion and it was the one that was undoubtedly true.

[@johanliebert8652]

www.youtube.com/@BloggingTheology/videos

[@ANZAC362]

"It's not the eyes that are blind, but the heart.'' Quran 22:46 ''आँखें अंधी नहीं होती, बल्कि दिल अँधा होता है।'' कुरान 22:46 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWXEp6yDmdemhKs

[@afbriant]

Ive watched a few debates with Dr. White and BOOOOOY do people struggle with answering his questions. Like they just lose it like everytime.

[@photovlog4495]

the opening statement of JAMES is enough

[@ryou7239]

The Devil is the author of doubt and confusion and that's been illustrated by the Muslim debater.

[@SuperMan-fz8xb]

Muhhamad is a brutal fraud and a ped0. If that is not evil I do not know what is.

[@isaacmoreno7396]

Dr. James White is one of the wisest men I have ever seen. Truly a man of God full of wisdom and knowledge of all false religions. Wish I had the patience to study all sources as him and memorize.

[@irshaadpangaker5085]

James white is jus another idiot who believes and tries to make others believe in fairytale gospels that nobody nos who wrote... Man worshippers are u not ashamed of yoself believing in a man God.. Y not worship monkeys or king Kong... First tell me who's Mathew mark Luke John who wrote these fairytales

[@irshaadpangaker5085]

Yes u rite James white is a man of a man God...... Polytheist idiots

[@ryou7239]

@@irshaadpangaker5085 can you prove God revealed the Quran? just because Muhammad claimed it doesn't make it true.... : )

[@irshaadpangaker5085]

@@ryou7239 even if the Quran is not frm God at least we dnt worship a man. U have a book full of contradiction full of fairytales u dnt know who Mathew mark Luke John is all copyng ea other u have Saul Paul a murderer liar deceiver and u believe this is God's word... Y dnt u worship a monkey snake or elephant.. James white tries so hard to prove these fairytales. U pagan man worshipping polytheist

[@Logia1978]

@@ryou7239 well it makes a lot more sense than the bible... so it's more from god... can you prove god revealed the bible ? even when it was never claimed in the new testament that the text is from god ???

[@Ararimu9]

Without lies Islam dies.

[@emerald7857]

The only lie you need to worry about is the one many people wrote over thousands of years that you now call your bibles. Truth is despite your lies about Islam it keeps on spreading and even enters your homes (think of your family members Allah guides while you are left to watch, by passed on purpose because of what’s in your heart of arrogance bias and insincerity)

[@noahm44]

​@@emerald7857Why would you make all these harsh bold claims about somebody you know nothing about? Goodness, that seems so irrational.. But it also seems like this is the KZbin comments anywhere you go, at least to some degree. Some people are crazy.

[@shaheenmiah-rt5os]

Thats why Islam Is still standing strong and will Till the end of time HENCE NO LIES

[@fritula6200]

CORRECT !!

[@fritula6200]

Ararimu... in reply CORRECT.

[@updatessports7947]

Dr James White, can you please some time come to India and debate Zakir Niyak as he goes around challenging Christians who are not good in debating.

[@globalconfideration1254]

Many top Christian apologists challenged naik one of them is dr. White but he has so many alibis proving him a coward. He only challenge pastors that had no debating experienced

[@zehra-dl6zo]

@@globalconfideration1254 zakir naik debated with david wood william campbell nobel price laurater and witg sri sri ravishankar

[@globalconfideration1254]

@@zehra-dl6zo campbell is not a debater

[@zehra-dl6zo]

@@globalconfideration1254 but is a genius isnt? And campell is the guru of samsamuan Ok and what abt david wood

[@globalconfideration1254]

@@zehra-dl6zo can you please send me the link of the debate between david wood vs zakir naik. I'm sure you can't because zakir ignored wood's debate invitation

[@Fivepointcalv]

The debate brought out the issues very clearly, thankful for it

[@johanliebert8652]

www.youtube.com/@BloggingTheology/videos

[@davidbrock4104]

I'm thinking Abdullah printed off some material from an Islamic website just prior to the debate. Makes me wonder if he regularly debates other scholars or not. I kinda doubt it. He sure hasn't watched James White debates much if at all.

[@ramlyzenon7706]

look like he is still a learner

[@narrowgate4498]

@@sorkumshah9846 you don’t have the original texts.

[@dogescout5868]

@@sorkumshah9846 This is a silly argument. James is arguing that we can attest to the documents being first century because of the open transmission of the text (ie: the second century texts had to originate from prior texts they were copied from). Given the fact that Rome did actively seek to destroy Christianity, it is not surprising. However, as White pointed out, you do not have the original Quran from the first century after Islam. You want to use different scales. For example, Dr. White was not allowed to quote first century documentation (which Erhman assents is first century) for the words of Jesus, but the Quran is 600 hundreds years later and I am supposed to accept what it says Jesus says though it has no historical basis for doing so. Literally makes no sense.

[@carloswater7]

Also probably he printed off material from an atheist website. Because some Muslims use the almost the exact same false material atheists use to attack Christians

[@TheSpacePlaceYT]

@@dogescout5868 Nice point!

[@nobledpm]

45:00 James White: I'm about to end this man's whole career but first of all, let me give him a book to save his soul. "Documentation is something we can examine, a dead person's memory is something we cannot."

[@bryoncovington1255]

Muhammad Khan wat complete falsehood and nonsense you speak. I challenge you to provide evidence of where Apostle Paul contradicted Jesus!! Your remarks about the complete Quran being memorised since Muhammad is absolute nonsense. Why did uthman have to burn qurans which differed if they were all the same?? Why did Zaid leave out a verse in the Quran which he added 20 years later??? Even the so called companions couldn’t agree on the number of Surahs in Quran, Quran is NOT preserved but corrupted. I challenge you to provide a Quranic manuscript that matches this exact quran you have today

[@ingsparagas9682]

@Muhammad Khan how would u examine the recitation if it is authentic or not? what are your basis that what they recite is the one muhhamad received to your allah?

[@ingsparagas9682]

@Muhammad Khan sir my point is how would you verify that what was written in your quran is authentic or reliable if you dont have the written documents to verify it.?

[@ingsparagas9682]

@Muhammad Khan sir how would you prove that what was memorize is the exact ducoments that is written during the time of ur prophete was the correct one? when they burn all the copies of it. And what you have only is the recitation of Hafs..

[@fawzizakria9421]

@Muhammad Khan which Qur'an you mean Qur'an reading of Hafs or Warsh or Qur'an kolon or Dory

[@BerserkerSloth]

This is probably my favorite debate of James White. I respect Abdullah Hamini so much for his sincerity and respect that he brought to the debate as well as holding his own (though I still disagree with him in regards to his criticism of the bible).

[@johnbartholomew1837]

How I personally know that the Bible is the true written word of God is that I've been baptized in the, the Holy ghost and the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the spirit gives the utterance.. The book of Act's literally came alive in me providing me with evidence that the 39 books of the old Testament and 27 books of the new Testament is literally true..

[@manoeldejesus2864]

Glória a Deus que você é batizado com o Espírito Santo.

[@HoseaCuervo]

1:12:08 - 1:13:16 this was the exact section where Abdulah Hamimi lost the debate the argument that the koran is a more reliable text than the bible where he constantly attacked how the earliest manuscripts (of people who actually knew jesus personally and lived in the same time & geographical area) we have of the gospels are a few hundreds years after christ death and their whole koran is written 600+ years after Christ died by people who are in a completely different country, and claim that it was divinely given to them by an angel and recorded from memory. it take more blind faith to believe that the koran is the word of God

[@Omar-ic3wc]

What? who personally knew Jesus? The authors of the gospels?? Who told you that? They were anonymous books ask any Christian schoolar or any historian.. Whoever wrote the canonical gospels were definitely not a disciple of Jesus nor an eyewitness of Jesus miracles, with all the respect i don't mean to offend your faith or your feelings but what you're saying it's not the truth and is well established that the authors of the gospels weren't eyewitness and leave it alone being disciples of Jesus peace be upon him.

[@THCAPI]

@@Omar-ic3wc , John knew Jesus. John wrote one of the Gospels, three Epistles and the book of Revelation. Peter knew Jesus, Peter wrote two Epistles. James and Jude where Jesus brothers, for crying out loud! And each one wrote an Epistle. I could go on, but this must suffice. The folks who spout the "anonymous authors" spiel are rabid secularists, though some of these might like to call themselves Christians, actual Christians (eg: non liberals) know where their ideas come from. If we were to listen to the thoughts of these folks about Islam and the Quran we'd think that the Prophet and Muhammad are two separate persons in history, one a fictional creation as a state building tool and the other an actual very successful Warlord, who later on were mashed up into one figure by the folks who made up modern Islam, pretty much by committee. Equal scales, if the Muslims get to cite whatever wacky theory some liberal concocted about the New Testament and it's authors then the Christians get to cite the very same liberals about the Quran, Muhammad and his companions, right? I as Christian don't just eat up whatever claims liberal scholars produce about the Quran, even if "they would help my case", because I stand for Him who is the Way, the Truth and the Life. If our Muslim friends similarly care about Allah's truth they would do well to be similarly skeptic of liberal scholars theories that might look like they would help their case but would actually weaken it.

[@MrTuticmen]

​@@THCAPI Doesn't change the fact that the biggest part of the bible is compiled by anonymous people that are stil unknown. Luke? Peter? Mark?

[@THCAPI]

@@MrTuticmen , what "fact"? There are no facts in this foolish theory put forth by inconsistent Muslim apologists. Luke the Physician, wrote one of the Gospels and the Book of Acts. In fact, in the same way as the chapter and verse divisions which are a later addition, the separation between Luke's Gospel and the Book of Acts is a later addition too, these texts were originally a single work addressed to a single individual with the division between Luke 24:53 and Acts 1:1 merely a matter of writing convenience at the time. Peter? The mention of the APOSTLE Peter's name in your reply is proof positive that you did not even bother to read past the first sentence of the reply to which you are replying to, which shows that you are not actually engaging with the arguments in question, but thoughtlessly interjecting baseless statements into a discussion to which you are utterly unprepared to properly participate in. The underlying facts behind my original reply to Johnzy Grotta, are that besides the New Testament books we have a bevy of early documents from the beginnings of Christ's Kingdom on Earth. Included in these are letters from folks whose teachers were the very apostles of our Lord, and letters from their disciples, and letters from their disciples disciples, so on and so forth. These folks referenced New Testament documents in their writings. When they wrote about Mark's Gospel they referred to it as, drum-roll please, "Mark's Gospel". The rabid secularists theories necessitate that these folks who learned at the Apostles feet did not know who these people they referenced regularly were, and never bothered to ask their masters about them. If you can believe that and were to remain consistent you should also believe the secular orientalists theories about Mohammed and the Prophet as two separate individuals latter mashed up by the committee who invented Modern Islam, so on and so forth.

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

@@Omar-ic3wc For the sake of argument, let's say they were anonymous (which they weren't) why does that even matter? If you're a Muslim then you believe that Muhammad, who never knew a thing about Jesus, never met Him, never lived in the same region, never spoke the same language, got all the facts right 600 years later because a violent angel told him the "real story" That's what this all comes down to. So any discussions you have about facts are pretty much irrelevant given you're operating, not on a ranging cloud of witness reports about who Jesus was, but on the integrity of one man, Muhammad, who lived 6 centuries later!

[@youtubeuser5855]

Well this debate clearly goes to Dr James White

[@ReboneMora]

Abdullah bribed… I love the exposure you are giving yourself… the nerves got to you but you got this… polish your gun, reload and come back better… I am a Christian who loves apologetics and yes like everyone said, Dr. was respectful with this debate, no condescending remarks… just pure class… loved every inch of this

[@HeavenGuy]

Muslims claim a chain of narration for the Quran but can't comprehend how the persecuted Church could preserve the words of Jesus through their own oral tradition in the first century. We have extra biblical writings that quote what has been found in the earliest manuscripts. What do they think we did at Church every day? We "recited" what Jesus and the Apostles said.

[@TechieBunny]

lol

[@muhammedeminali3627]

Those who say, “Allah(God) is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. The Messiah himself said, “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever associates others with Allah in worship will surely be forbidden Paradise by Allah. Their home will be the Fire. And the wrongdoers will have no helpers. [Surah Al-Ma’idah; 5:72]

[@HeavenGuy]

@@muhammedeminali3627 - The Quran is false. The sun does not set on the Earth. Quran 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

[@muhammedeminali3627]

@@HeavenGuy you have no understanding of linguistics. I'm not even goıng to try to explain that verse to your mind. İt might overheat. But there are more than 50.000 mistakes un the bible. This is just one of them. Noah, a 900 year old man took millions of animals onto the ark, or according to Christian apologists only 20, 000-50, 000 “However, this response requires creationists to believe that just 16,000 animals developed into billions of species in less than 4000 years” An absurdity.

[@HeavenGuy]

@@muhammedeminali3627 - Your argument about evolution (which is not proven) and the flood of Noah, does not negate the fact that the Quran is wrong. It can't be from God if it is wrong. As far as the flood of Noah, many Muslims believe it is true. The animals didn't need to be full grown. They could have been young or even babies. As far as mistakes, the Bible was hand copied. There are variations between copies of some, but we know exactly what they are and acknowledge them. None affect the meaning. Muhammad acknowledged the Bible as the book from God. The Quran didn't even include vowels when it was written. Talk about mistakes.

[@VinceOlson96]

I really enjoy listening to these debates with Dr. James White. He has helped me grow in my faith by providing sources that prove to me the Bible is true. This was a great debate and Abdulah did a job as well and is probably the 2nd Muslim I've ever heard that had a kind friendly tone, the first was Sabir Ally.

[@thepilgrim1581]

It is evident that the more I listen to Muslims speak the more I feel that: 'Islam is not the learning of the truth in GOD but rather the delusional training of the mind to think it is the truth in a God '. Peace be unto all the misguided Only through JESUS CHRIST can you walk the path towards the Kingdom of Heaven. Amen

[@1Peace]

The easiest way for me to understand the difference between the early transmission of Biblical vs Quranic manuscripts is; 1) The early Bible manuscripts were copied immediately and scattered instantaneously across the Greek speaking Roman Empire, so that variations of the Original Autographs were limited. 2) The early Quranic manuscripts were so variant that Uthman ibn Affan panicked and gathered many of them from different cites *AND HAD THEM BURNED* because they did not match. Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Sahih Al-Bukhari 4987 Volume 6 Book 61 Hadith 510 Notice how *EVERYTHING* Islam says is a lie? 1) We have the same *GOD* /Allah vs *JEHOVAH* 2) We believe in *JESUS* /As a Prophet only, but not the Son of *GOD* . 3) Islam is a peaceful religion/Muslim countries are some of the most violent places to live on Earth. 4) Muhammad was the best moral example/But, he was a blasphemer, thief, liar, murderer, adulterer, rapist, pedophile and fornicator. 5) The Quran confirms the Bible. The Quran is a nickel and dime impersonation of a nickel and dime impersonation of the Bible and is inferior to the Bible in every conceivable way imaginable.

[@ryou7239]

Muhammad was an Anti-Christ. You will notice every mention of Jesus (Essa) in the Quran is used to belittle and reduce Christ to a mere prophet who pretty much did nothing more other than preach "God is one" & that's it! The Qurans denial & degradation of Christ is really quite astonishing with its perverse imputation of words to Christ denying his own deity in an attempt to debunk his entire life's work from the cradle to the grave and back again. Dr James White is 100% right when he said; "the Jesus of the Quran is nothing more than an argument". And although the Quran acknowledges Christ as the Messiah, the Quran has absolutely NO clue the extent of that title measure truly is. Even the Demons acknowledged Christ as the Messiah; begging him "please don't judge us"...

[@TechieBunny]

Sigh.....You're way off! Bible Manuscripts doesnt even have authors lol so variations of the originals are literally non existant. Which means; none of them can be relied upon or even verified. Everything else is just in incorrect and fully taken out of context just like so much of what the Christian speaker is saying. Muslim countries are aggressive because of western interferance and control. Meanwhile other countries who are just as dangerous are not included in the most violent lists, for example Israel, China and even Ukraine while in a war. Again fact or stat that is either bias or just incorrect. As stated in the hadith you added, Uthman didnt have them burned because of textual differences. It was due to the dialects they were originaly written in. So to avoid issue, they were redone in one dialect and thats it. Smh, only when you arent bias can you really understand who and what is from GOD.

[@1Peace]

If only muslims *would* or even *could* tell the truth. But, alas, the spirit of islam, is not truthful. It is the spirit of strife. Of conquest. Of war! Where is muhommad or Uthman's signature on either the inferior quan or the extremely inferior Hadith? The quran is so inferior, that you need such a foolish book called the Hadith in the first place 😂. It is not about authorship, it is about fruit. (Matthew 7:15-20) Have you never read the words of our Holy *LORD* and precious Savior *JESUS* the most Blessed *CHRIST* The fruit of islam is Rape, Slavery, Murder, Adultery, Fornication, Filth, Blasphemy, Lies, Abomination and War! The Hadith verse that I showed you, clearly says that the differences in the various quranic copies was like the differences between the writings of the Jews and Christians. Uthman ordered them to be written in the Quraish dialect only *"after"* they made said corrections. So, we see, here that they had more problems with the early manuscripts than just an Arabic dialect; "Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So, how do the Jews and Christians differ? Their contention lies much deeper than some dialect or language. It is doctrinal. If it were not for lies, you muslims would not have anything to say. So, France was aggressive against islam? And Spain? Ha! Show me that in your inferior quran please!?!? I can *NEVER* be a muslim, because of the stark inferiority of the quran. There is no Law of Moses in your inferior quran. There is no Gospel of *JESUS CHRIST* in your inferior quran. And even if you take all of the religious context out of the Superior Bible and the inferior quran, the Bible will still be a much Superior book on many other levels. The more I study islam, the more I understand what *JESUS* said about people being sheep, needing a shepherd. It's not just in religion. The West praises their Democracies and Republics. But, the Greeks and Romans had slaves and conquered people, just as the West does today? So, these Western philosophies allow these evils. And islam allows these evils as well. Not the Bible!!!!! "I have been ordered by *god* to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no *god* but *allah* and that mohammed is *his* messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay zakat (money). If they do it, their *BLOOD* and their property are safe from me." - Sahih Muḥammad ibn Ismā‘īl al-Bukhārī. Volume I, Page 13. Please show me in your inferior quran, where *allah* ever commanded muhommad to invade and conquer; Syria/Palestine/Egypt/Persia/Iraq/India/Libya/Tunisia/Algeria/Spain and France?! Abraham, Moses nor *JESUS CHRIST* ever ordered such barbarity!! "Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, *satan* threw some (vanity) into his desire: but *allah* will cancel anything (vain) that *satan* throws in, and *allah* will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for *allah* is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:" - Sura Al-Hajj 22:52 "Have you ever considered about the (idols of) Lāt and ‘Uzzā, and about the other, the third (idol), namely, Manāt?" - Sura An-Najm 53:19-20 Here, in the first verse, *allah* is actually admitting to allowing *satan* to add words to his inferior quran. And in the second verse, we have confirmation. How many *satanic verses* did the illiterate/innumerate muhommad/ *allah* have written in the inferior quran, that were never abrogated before he was blessedly poisoned to death by a woman he kidnapped, raped and had all of her family murdered? Wake up you foolish muslim!! Wake up!! Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the *LAW* , the *GOSPEL* , and all the revelation that has come to you from your *LORD* ." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy *LORD* , that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith." - Sura Al-Ma'idah 5:68 "The word of thy *lord* doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: *!!!NONE CAN CHANGE HIS WORDS!!!:* for *he* is the one who heareth and knoweth all. - Surah Al-An'am 6:115 Here, *allah* claims that no one can change the *LAW* of Moses, or the *GOSPEL* of our *LORD* and Savior *JESUS CHRIST* But, all muslims call *allah* a liar, and accuses *allah* of not being able to protect *his* words. What kind of religion does that? Only muslims accuse their own *god* of not being able to do what ancient Sumerians, Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Persians have done quite easily. Preserve their ancient texts. What a foolish religion. What a foolish people. Islam!?!?!?

[@Logia1978]

Exact, Othman ordered to burn the qurans which did not match with the one of the companions... we are not like christians to believe that anyone can compile a text and call it the quran.... The quran we have to day is Othmanic and goes back to the prophet... And enogh lies about the bible which *sources are anonymous* ....

[@1Peace]

Of all the reasons I could *NEVER* be a muslim. The way every muslim on Earth accuses their own so called *god* allah of being an utter and complete abysmal failure, in that he failed to protect his words. Here's a clue my friend. If your imagined *god* can not do something the ancient Romans, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, ets . . . have done quite easily, then maybe he really ain't no *GOD* . Below is a list of the most ancient manuscript copies in History. As you can see, the Bible has the most Attestable and the most Accurate manuscript evidence in the history of the World. Don't believe me? Go ask Bart D. Ehrman. Lucretius died 55 or 53 B.C. - Earliest Copy - N/A - 1,100 Years - 2 Copies. Pliny A.D. 61-113 - Earliest Copy 850 A.D. - 750 Years. - 7 Copies. Plato 427-347 B.C - Earliest Copy 900 A.D. - 1,200 Years. - 7 Copies. Demosthenes 4th Cent. B.C. - Earliest Copy 1,100 A.D. - 800 years. - 8 Copies. Herodotus 480-425 B.C.- Earliest Copy 900 A.D. - 1,300 Years. - 8 Copies. Suetonius A.D. 75-160 - Earliest Copy 950 A.D. - 800 Years. - 8 Copies. Thucydides 460-400 B.C.- Earliest Copy 900 A.D -.1,300 Years - 8 Copies. Euripides 480-406 B.C. A.D. - Earliest Copy 1,100 A.D. - 1,300 Years - 9 Copies. Aristophanes 450-385 B.C.- Earliest Copy 900 A.D. - 1,200 Years - 10 Copies. Caesar 100-44 B.C. - Earliest Copy 1,000 900 A.D. - 1,000 Years - 10 - Copies. Livy 59 BC-AD 17 ---- ??? 20 Tacitus circa A.D. 100 - Earliest Copy1,100 A.D. - 1,000 Years - 20 Copies. Aristotle 384-322 B.C. - Earliest Copy 1,100 A.D. - 1,400 Years - 49 - Copies. Sophocles 496-406 B.C. - Earliest Copy 1,000 A.D.- 1,400 Years - 193 Copies. Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C.- Earliest Copy 400 B.C - 500 Years - 643 Copies - Accuracy 95% New Testament 1st Cent. A.D. (A.D. 50-100) 2nd Cent. A.D. (c. A.D. 130 f.) Earliest Copy Less Than 100 Years - *5,600 Copies - Accuracy 99.5%*

[@MarcanthonyTho]

How can Muhammad be a prophet if he never performed a miracle nor did he ever prophesy anything? Strange

[@roxyandjamesflynn906]

Thank you Dr White 👉✝️👈🏽

[@lawrencestanley8989]

“The evidence indicates that the written sources of our Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not later than c. AD 60; *some of them may even be traced back to notes taken of our Lord's teaching while His words were actually being uttered…* We have then in the Synoptic Gospels, the latest of which was complete between 40-50 years after the death of Christ, material which took shape at a still earlier time, some of it even before His death, and which, besides being for the most part 1st hand evidence, was transmitted along independent and trustworthy lines.”  F.F. Bruce, “The New Testament Documents: Are they Reliable?,” (Sixth edition, 1981, pp. 42-43)

[@finalfrontier001]

notes of our lord.... more delusions? i mean you speak in tongues so probably psychotic also.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

@@finalfrontier001 If you can quote me as ever having said anything about me "speaking in tongues" as you accuse me of, I will post a video of me eating my own shorts in the sauce of your choosing. If you cannot, then you must admit to the world that you are a liar, and repent. And if you disagree so strongly with F.F. Bruce, then step up to the plate and prove him wrong; I will also mention that this understanding was reflected by J. Ed Komoszewski, M. James Sawyer, and Daniel B. Wallace in their recent book "Reinventing Jesus: How Contemporary Skeptics Miss the Real Jesus and Mislead Popular Culture." So you'll have to prove them wrong too. Put up, or shut up.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

@DBZ zin93 His evidence is found in the known (and well documented in Jewish sources) Rabbinic practices of the time, specifically, how a particular Rabbi would act as a teacher to a certain number of chosen students who would learn everything that they could from him, and then continue his teaching after his death - this is why we talk about certain "Rabbinic Schools of Thought" such as the "School of Hillel" which is recorded in the Talmud, as well as the "School of Shammai." These Rabbis would surround themselves with a certain number of disciples, and would select officers such as a treasurer who would collect and keep funds that would supply their needs as they travelled around, (Judas was the Treasurer for Jesus), and they would always select one or more within the group to act as a scribe in order to record the Rabbi's teaching (Many believe that Matthew the tax collector could have been this scribe). Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi that followed this custom. Observe by way of comparison Paul's description of himself in Acts 22 and Philippians 3 where he explains that he was a Jew, a Pharisee, educated under Gamaliel, who later persecuted the way unto death.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

@DBZ zin93 The gospel accounts are reliable, and we most certainly DO know who the authors of the NT are, that information was passed on to us from the students of the Apostle John himself. While I am happy to go into detail into any one or all of the gospels regarding how we know who the authors were, if you wish to maintain that we do not know who the authors were, then you had better be prepared to demonstrate who lied, the Apostle John, or his students, and why.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

@DBZ zin93 The Church Fathers Papias (70-163AD), Polycarp (80-167AD), and Ignatius (35-107AD) were all disciples of the Apostle John, and therefore the authority of their writings concerning the Biblical authorship go uncontested. Ignatius addressed a letter to Papias, and mentions him in his letters to the Ephesians and to the Magnesians. In it, Irenaeus regarded the memory of Polycarp as a link to the apostolic past. He relates how and when he became a Christian, and in his letter to Florinus, he stated that he saw and heard Polycarp personally in lower Asia. In particular, he heard the account of Polycarp's discussion with the Apostle John and with others who had seen Jesus. Irenaeus was born about 120AD near Smyrna, and as a young man would frequent the house of Polycarp, and he identifies all four gospel authors by name in Ecclesiastical History 5.20.4-7. In the first chapter of his third book in the series known as ‘Adversus Haereses’, Irenaeus records that the Apostles of Christ preached the Gospel and authored the books that bear their names. In his Adversus Haereses 2.22.5, 3.1.1, he testified on Polycarp’s authority that John wrote the gospel that bears his name during his residence at Ephesus in Asia Minor when he was advanced in age. Subsequent to Irenaeus, all the church fathers assumed John to be the gospel’s author. Clement of Alexandria (150-215) wrote that John, aware of the facts set forth in the other gospels and being moved by the Holy Spirit, composed a “spiritual gospel” (Ecclesiastical History 6.14.7). So, again, if you maintain that we do not know who wrote the gospel of John, you must demonstrate who lied, the Apostle John, or his students, and why.

[@R290s_biggest_fan]

You can see Abdullah's arguments come apart at the cross exam.

[@ghostl1124]

@@sorkumshah9846 According to the babbling of Abdullah -- very nervous and desparate, yeah? Abdullah often uses at the end of his statements, the question, "yeah?" Maybe he is convicted of sin. And it seems obvious that he is not sure of his own faith.

[@veekee75]

James White totally owned the debate. Abdullah had a great sigh of relieve when the cross fire ended.

[@Logia1978]

Keep dreaming....

[@SuperMan-fz8xb]

@@Logia1978 Like mohammad? Who dream of fvking a kid so henceforth fvck Aisha. A complete moron and a pedophile will think he is the best person ever. Go keep dreaming!

[@robertknetsch2715]

For Abdulah to bring up the comma johannium and the pericopae adulterae as if Christians have never heard of these question of these verses show that he is entirely unfamiliar with Christian scholarship. It is such a tired Muslim objection.

[@Veritas-dq2hs]

probably because there still exist so many Bibles with proven false verses in it.

[@Hellooooo137]

I’m Eastern Orthodox and I like James. His intelligence and quick accurate responses are on point.

[@ritavandeneeckhout6747]

The Word of God is the Truth and the only Truth. Praise God and the Lord Jesus Christ!🙏❤️Amen

[@jieadecer]

Beautiful debated...may the Lord God continually to bless Dr James White.

[@MarcanthonyTho]

The original Quran was burned by Uthman, a goat ate an entire chapter of the verse, and it took more than 2 years to recompile the Quran. That is why there are of 47 different Arabic Qurans with large variations in text. The Quran cannot be defended.

[@Peanut888..]

@@islam9533Please tell me what the message of the Quran is .

[@Peanut888..]

@@islam9533 ok l see well then the bible is definitely different because it doesn’t share this same message , so who’s right ?

[@Peanut888..]

@@islam9533 But who said true Christianity worship idols where in scripture does it say to worship idols ? The scriptures are very clear that worship of idols is forbidden! And lm surprised that you found any scripture confirming the trinity there is no such teaching found in the bible.

[@TheKing-tc5rp]

James White absolutely smoked Abdula 😂 not even close

[@joshualatu1223]

Abdulah seemed to be really off his game this debate. Didn't come prepared enough. Took an L this time.

[@samman4602]

The weakest dismissed Hadith has a stronger chain of narration and more accuracy than any part of the Bible

[@cpnhowdy]

@@samman4602 Lol, the whole idea of isnad chain is a joke. It is based on hearsay. Hearsay statements are not admissible in any court proceeding. Heck, your Quran is hearsay. Mo did not get the quran from Allah, he got it from something else. Watch the debate carefully once more. The Bible is proved to be reliable as we do have thousands of manuscripts. Not hearsay.

[@xchump]

39:20 Abdulah notices the contradiction in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter many Christians do not see. I say contradiction because it certainly is one IF it's interpreted in the way many denominations do. However, Paul was not making a statement that women should be silent in the churches. He was answering a statement/question laid out by the Corinthians ("now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me"). Verse 35 was Paul's answer to verse 34 "What? Came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?" - Paul was asking the men if they really were so arrogant to think that the word of God came to them (men) only, and out from them only. If this was not the case, verse 34 would be a blatant contradiction to prior verses (like Abdulah correctly says in the debate) and many other verses in the Bible. Btw I want to commend James in this debate. Very composed and logical. A clear winner of this debate imo.

[@gregorybezanson]

Christian have no problem with questioning the text. They would rather remove them than pretend they have no issues. But the Gospel is not based on any one part of the Bible narratives.

[@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth]

The difference between the quran and God's word is God said *by no means will my words pass away*

[@arnoldmaglalang5522]

Before Stephen was stone to death he saw gates of Heaven opened and he saw Jesus seating on the right hand side of God. Jesus is not human prophet. Jesus is both divine and Human. Word made flesh. Hypothasis. HYPOSTATIC UNION. Can not separate Jesus Divinity as Son of God and Human. Jesus is born of a woman he has human nature. And EMMANUEL meaning God With Us. EMMANUEL God With Us is Jesus

[@majorianus8055]

A pity about Abdullah Hamimi. Seems to be a very nice and wise guy... A pity he doesn't open his eyes and ears. I wish someday he will and embrace the truth and the way of our Lord and Savior

[@muhammedeminali3627]

وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ لَا بُرْهَٰنَ لَهُۥ بِهِۦ فَإِنَّمَا حِسَابُهُۥ عِندَ رَبِّهِۦٓ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا يُفْلِحُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ And whoever invokes (or worships), besides Allah, any other God, of whom he has no proof; then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely! The Disbelievers will not be successful.” [Al-Mu’minun 23:117]. Your lord is Allah alone. He is an entity of the purest nature. He created you to worship him. His religion is islam. Jesus was a muslim not a christian. And he said " i have to go, for if I go not the comforter (prophet Muhammed pbuh) will not come. even Jesus knew that prophet Muhammad bpuh would be sent for the salvatıon of the whole of mankind soon after his being lifted up by God, Allah.

[@drmajidkhanpharmacy3683]

U fool. U have to come to truth of islam

[@sholay706]

You mean u want him to worship 3 gods on one rather than his focus on just worshipping one god??

[@SuperMan-fz8xb]

​@@muhammedeminali3627 Mohammad is a pedo and a fraud who fvck a kid and terrorized people. Prove me wrong. I assume you you are a better person than your prophet could ever be.

[@SuperMan-fz8xb]

​@@sholay706 ​Another stupidity from a blind man who follows a pedo prophet. Mohammad is a pedo and a fraud who fvck a kid and terrorized people. Prove me wrong. I believe you are a better person than your prophet could ever be.

[@tylerlions8134]

Islam say's Jesus was a Prophet but Not God. Jesus say's he is God. Soooo islam contradict's itself. There are a million holes in Islamic theology. James White you are a true Apologist! :)

[@ReformedR]

Jesus claims to be God 600 years before the false kloran was written

[@zehra-dl6zo]

Where did jesus himself says that he is god and worshup him

[@faithinjesuschristourlord3003]

@@zehra-dl6zo Read the Bible.

[@BasqueLandscaping]

@@zehra-dl6zo In Matthew 22:41-45 Jesus asked the Pharisees " What do you think of the Christ? Who's son is he? The Pharisees replied " The son of David." Jesus says" How is it then that David in spirit calls him Lord, saying " The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool." Psalms 110 (old testament) A psalm of David. " The Lord says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool." There not only did I state Jesus claiming to be God but also David in the Tanakh. Now my question for you is: If Muslims believe the Quran is the infallible word of Allah and the Quran says a prophet is the embodiment of Allah. Yet the word contradicts the Prophet, so who do you deny? The word of Allah or the embodiment of Allah? Yet if you deny either, according to the Quran, would be denying Allah. I'm just adding to the point of the op in this thread.

[@robertrodrigues7319]

Mr Hamimi to Dr White: Dr White "you have taken the New Testament for granted ie circular reasoning" and you have not Mr Hamimi in taking the Quran as perfect? where is your consistence? You have lost the debate right here.

[@robertrodrigues7319]

The Muslim is unwilling to use equal weights and measures for his own so called scriptures ie Quran, one standard for his made up book and another for the Holy Bible. This alone would DISQUALIFY all that he said. Pathetic!!

[@Buttersideup]

It makes me so thankful that we have these great men, with great character, who are willing to respectfully debate and share their minds with the world.

[@ratedrreformed8452]

That akbar is NOT very smart. As soon as it was revealed that he didn’t read White’s book, I knew it was gonna be a waste of time watching. What a rookie, proud and hellbound.

[@Saribex]

1 John 4:2-3.. "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. " End of story.

[@ahmahtiyehudim7307]

Muslims believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah sent by God. What's your point?

[@rayertman]

In the Quran, Alah takes credit for the Torah , and the Gospels Surah 33v4. In Surah 18v27 Alah says his words CANNOT BE CHANGED. If that's true, how can the gospels be corrupted? Either Alah lied, or he's not powerful enough to keep his words. At least that's what they seem to be saying.

[@pheynuus9840]

Please bro understand the verses before you abuse your creator, Allah said in the Quran (its us who send the Quran and its us who preserve it ) so it doesn't mean that God said he will preserve the Torah and gospel no.

[@pheynuus9840]

This is because they already corrupted the Gospel and the Torah.

[@apoorfellowsoldierofchrist22]

@@pheynuus9840 the Quran was written 500 years later after the NT. In what way has the NT been corrupted?

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

@@pheynuus9840 But you believe they werent preserved...

[@rayertman]

@Bible Addict Sure. While Muslims aren't required to be jihadists, they won't condemn others who are. Are they peaceful, oh sure, that's after all have been converted or taken out by the sword. A good father doesn't instruct his children to discipline the others, but instructs to lead by example. The Father himself will discipline his children.

[@lucianofranciadedeus]

I feel sorry for Abdulah. Praised be The Lord Jesus. Thank you Lord for brother James White, in wich we can trust to defend our faith and the Gospel of Jesus Christ!!

[@ronaldsmall8847]

The problem Moohamed has is that Jesus is his judge.

[@eminem101904]

I'm only in Abdullahs opening statement but he's already misunderstood how the new testament was transmitted. He doesn't realize what James said about how the number of manuscripts gives us clarity on what the originals said REGARDLESS of If there are errors and changes in copies. It would give us confidence even if there were errors in every single copy

[@stephanierichards5490]

It's like Dr white peaked at his notes. What a start to the debate!

[@aliquidblaze4541]

Opening statements are just that. They don't take into account what the other said. They only lay the foundation of their speech. The first time they acknowledge each other's position was the rebuttal. Pay attention, my friend.

[@PizzaFvngs]

Kinda like in 8 mile when B-rabbit roasted himself first so the other rapper couldnt diss him lol@@aliquidblaze4541

[@HusseinSheekh]

As a Muslim I have a lot of respect for James White and his respectful attitude towards Islam and Muslims.

[@travisanderson3920]

That's great to hear. I appreciate the same about respectful Muslims. What are your thoughts on what James White said? I feel he makes great arguments as to why you can trust the Bible over the Quran.

[@wisdomofislamm]

James White is respectful but he also avoid direct questions like every other christian.

[@Peanut888..]

@@wisdomofislammwhat questions are they ?

[@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth]

Jesus Christ is the only way for salvation

[@manofYAH]

@@wisdomofislamm You STUPID

[@J.F.331]

I am no textual scholar when it comes to the Qur’an, but if I am not mistaken, the earliest copy that Muslims have of the Qur’an is Sura 2:282-286 and this is dated to the mid-late 7th century. There are about 60 other fragments dated to be about 168 years after Muhammad. nothing else comes earlier than that. So Muslims are in the same boat as Christians except they have far less documents to examine.

[@thecheeseburgler591]

This was a great discussion. They are both good at framing the superiority of the way in which their respective texts were transmitted. Both have flaws, clearly. It does strike me how early near-to-complete manuscripts of the Quran were constructed. It’s something hard for Dr. White to refute. However, free transmission of the text does allow for a more comprehensive reconstruction of the earliest texts.

[@HocirOnatseba]

The difference is that the early Christians have the threat of getting their head cut off. On the other hand, the other one is doing most of the cutting.

[@jessecuevas6456]

How do you know it’s a near to complete manuscript if you can’t compare any documents?? They’re just saying don’t worry, we memorized it. From a purely researcher’s prospective, that’s not viable.

[@frankly.speaking]

I am very much comfortable with the inspired text containing scribal errors and passages that may have been there or not earlier. It never troubled or disturbed me or my faith in Christ Jesus, because i have taken into considerating a lot of factors brilliantly presented by Dr White. Need to always remember.... The "Word of God" is the conquerer of death, resurrected living Jesus which is not a TEXT in a particular language which needs daicritical marks to expresss and vocalize them, lengthy interpretion or in its preservation challenges...all one needs to do is experience the Risen Lord personally through the Gospel message The bible has been literally cross examined for its credibility, ripped apart and hammerded by renowned historians, archaeologist, linguists, higher criticism, textual criticism, atheists and disbelievers alike, yet it has stood its ground.

[@johnbartholomew1837]

Another thing I agree with the Muslim guy that Trinitarian doctrines on the God head is not biblical.. I believe in the oneness theology of explaining the God head

[@jezwright8052]

but it is so very biblical it is just not called the trinity, there's God ✅Jesus ✅ and the Holy spirit ✅all being clearly defined as separate embodiments of one being and there's loads of scriptural support for this you just have to research this, it is all there

[@ֆքǟռ-m5g]

I’m not sure how memorization of the Quran even counts as authentic or a safe means of preservation🤔 i’ll let Mohammed explain..I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me ... (Bukhari: volume 1, book 8, number 394, Khan) ”May Allah show mercy to him; he has reminded me of such and such a verse which I had missed” in such and such a surah. (Muslim: book 4, number 1720, Siddique) One of the reasons that Muslim leaders give for the perfection of the Qur'an is that Muhammad had a perfect memory. It is said that God gave Muhammed not just the words to speak but also the ability to remember these words perfectly. Consider this Islamic scholar: Still further, and perhaps most significantly, so long as the Prophet lived, the Community had in him an infallible guide as to the correct recitation of the Koran. The Prophet was granted special protection against forgetfulness, as the Koran itself indicates: By degrees shall we teach thee to declare (the message), so thou shalt not forget, except as God wills (Sura 87:6-7). (Labib as-Said, The Recited Koran - A History of the First Recorded Version, p. 20, bold added.) Is this claim true or is it an exaggeration? In this article we will consider what the Qur'an and Hadith say about Muhammad's memory and that of his Companions. 1. What does the Qur'an say about Muhammad's memory? The verse referred to by Labib as-Said actually says the exact opposite of what Labib as-Said is claiming. Labib as-Said says the verse shows that Muhammad, "was granted special protection against forgetfulness". However he has missed one very important word in these verses, the word "except" (Arabic: illa). Consider the verses again: By degrees shall we teach thee (Muhammad) to declare (the message), so thou shalt not forget, except as God wills ... (Sura 87:6-7, Yusuf Ali). This verse is not saying that Muhammad will never forget any of the Qur'an. It is saying that he will only forget what God wills. Thus the verse seems to be an explanation and justification of Muhammad's forgetfulness. This interpretation is also the interpretation found in the Hadith. 2. What does the Hadith say about Muhammad's memory? Narrated Aisha: The Prophet heard a man reciting the Qur'an in the mosque and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such a Surah." (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 556, Khan) Narrated Hisham: (The same Hadith, adding): which I missed (modifying the Verses). (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 557, Khan) 'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) heard a person reciting the Qur'an at night. Upon this he said: May Allah show mercy to him; he has reminded me of such and such a verse which I had missed in such and such a surah. (Muslim: book 4, number 1720, Siddique) 'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget. (Muslim: book 4, number 1721, Siddique) Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Khudayj: One day the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) prayed and gave the salutation while a rak'ah of the prayer remained to be offered. A man went to him and said: You forgot to offer one rak'ah of prayer. ... (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1018, Hasan) Narrated Imran ibn Husayn: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) led them in prayer and forgot something, so he made prostrations and uttered the tashahhud, then gave the salutation. (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1034, Hasan) Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: ... (Muhammad said) I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me, ... (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1015, Hasan) Narrated 'Abdullah: ... (Muhammad said) I One of the reasons that Muslim leaders give for the perfection of the Qur'an is that Muhammad had a perfect memory. It is said that God gave Muhammed not just the words to speak but also the ability to remember these words perfectly. Consider this Islamic scholar: Still further, and perhaps most significantly, so long as the Prophet lived, the Community had in him an infallible guide as to the correct recitation of the Koran. The Prophet was granted special protection against forgetfulness, as the Koran itself indicates: By degrees shall we teach thee to declare (the message), so thou shalt not forget, except as God wills (Sura 87:6-7). (Labib as-Said, The Recited Koran - A History of the First Recorded Version, p. 20, bold added.) Is this claim true or is it an exaggeration? In this article we will consider what the Qur'an and Hadith say about Muhammad's memory and that of his Companions. 3. What does the Hadith say about the memory of Muhammad's companions? Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget." (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 559, Khan) Ibn Mas'ud reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Wretched is the man who says: I forgot such and such a sura, or I forget such and such a verse, but he has been made to forget. (Muslim: book 4, number 1726, Siddique) Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it: "Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi. 2, 61:2) and "that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13, 17:13). (Muslim: book 5, number 2286, Siddique) Here we see one of the Companions testifying to the existence of surahs that are no longer in the Qur'an because they were forgotten. Conclusion The evidence from the Qur'an and Hadith shows that Muhammad and his Companions had normal memories and did forget parts of the Qur'an. Muslim leaders should stop making exaggerated claims about Muhammad; he was an ordinary man. Muhammad said of himself: "I am only a human being and I forget just as you do" (Bukhari, Abu Dawud). References Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari (translator: Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan). Sulaiman Abu Dawud, Sunan Abu-Dawud (translator: Prof. Ahmad Hasan). Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, Sahih Muslim (translator: Abdul Hamid Siddique). Labib as-Said, The Recited Koran - A History of the First Recorded Version, Princeton, New Jersey: The Darwin Press, 1975. Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Meaning Of The Holy Quran, Maryland, U.S: Amana Publications, 2004.

[@TechieBunny]

lol, not even gonna bother with this one if you dont even spell the word Quran correctly.

[@darthbane2669]

There are a lot of misspellings in your Quran that drvwhite proved.

[@SuperMan-fz8xb]

Mohammad is a pedo and a fraud who fvck a kid and terrorized people. Prove me wrong. If that is your idea of God's prophet, then we are all fvcked! ahahaha

[@solomontsegaye2987]

Every time when we confess his name God is with us.

[@ugoenogwe9717]

Anytime Muslims say using logic I know they are going to start the mental gymnastics.

[@williamdodds1394]

Jesus Jesus Jesus and only Jesus forever indeed.

[@Godswill247always]

Infact, if quoran had been sent from heaven, so many errors wouldn't have been found in it.

[@samuelstephen5762]

true god never makes mistakes

[@samuelstephen5762]

welll he did with muhammad but he knew why he was born not us

[@abdouliejallow6567]

Can you please show me mistakes in the Qur'an please

[@samuelstephen5762]

@@abdouliejallow6567 4:157

[@Godswill247always]

@@abdouliejallow6567 apart from the story of Eden that in every place that it was written in the quoran, mistakes are found, the story of who God asked Abraham to sacrifice is a big error in your book. Jesus said love your neighbour as yourself but your quoran and its written said, "Be an unfriendly friend; quoran 3:28", the much that is all the Fulani herdsmen trouble that some people are seeing today not to talk of others.

[@reformer-tg8hk]

There are a lot of Christian apologists out there like Dr james. But dont want to be exposed on social media. Rather, they do their apologist in person with muslim and others. God bless you all!

[@XwynntopiaX]

It has been said that the “author” of the Quran really had no idea of what the true canon of the Bible was, which had obviously been established by the time the Quran was “revealed.” Wouldn’t have Jibreel or Allah have know what was the real canon of the Old and New Testament? But the Quran is wrong all over the place about the Bible and it’s established and accepted canon. What, did Allah not know what was the true Torah and Injeel? How could God have gotten it wrong in the Quran if he is all knowing, and the canon was established by the time the Quran was revealed?

[@Ancient-theology]

What did it get wrong exactly?

[@Peanut888..]

@@Ancient-theologyeverything ! Tell me what the message of the Quran ?

[@ֆքǟռ-m5g]

Stick with the Textus Receptus and you won’t have variation issues. Textus Receptus is the name given to a series of Byzantine based Greek texts of the New Testament printed between 1500 and 1900. The name Textus Receptus was first used, to refer to editions of the Greek New Testament published by the Elzevir Brothers in 1633. The name has been retrospectively applied to all the printed Greek texts of the same Byzantine text-type. The Byzantine text-type represents over 95% of the 5,800+ Greek manuscripts of the New Testament still in existence today. Textus Receptus contains the translation base for the first Greek translation of the New Testament into English by William Tyndale and is the textual base for the Bishops Bible, the Geneva Bible and the King James Bible. Textus Receptus was published by Desiderius Erasmus in his 1516 edition of the Greek New Testament: Novum Instrumentum omne Textus Receptus was refined by Robert Estienne [Stephanus] in 1550 Textus Receptus was further refined by Theodore Beza in 1598 Textus Receptus was again edited by F.H.A. Scrivener in 1881 Textus Receptus strongly upholds the Christian faith Textus Receptus is not corrupted by the deletions, additions and amendments of the Minority Text. Textus Receptus agrees with the earliest versions of the Bible: Peshitta (AD150) Old Latin Vulgate (AD157), the Italic Bible (AD157) etc. Textus Receptus agrees with the vast majority of the citations from scripture by the early church fathers. It has now been calculated that there are more than one million quotations of the New Testament by the fathers. These fathers come from as early as the late first century and the middle ages. Textus Receptus is untainted with Egyptian philosophy, heresies and unbelief Erasmus did not invent the Textus Receptus, but simply collated a collection of what was already the vast majority of New Testament Manuscripts in the Byzantine tradition. The first Greek New Testament to be collated was the Complutensian Polyglot in (1514), but it was not published until eight years later, Erasmus' was the second Greek New Testament collated and was published and printed in (1516).

[@SB-zl7mm]

James White has him on the ropes in the cross examination. “So, I can’t quote the New Testament because we don’t have a 1st century copy, but you can quote the Quran without a 6th century copy?”

[@paulrichards6894]

2 people defending their fairytale

[@IcyJuggernog]

​@@paulrichards6894 I hope the intent of your comment was cheap humor, because it is entirely devoid of meaningful thought otherwise. Your attitude seems to be indicative of at least an agnostic, if not fully atheist, worldview. In response I would simply ask, can you produce any kind of meaningful, consistent epistemology that makes sense of the world in which we find ourselves? The mere fact that you are insulting the intelligence of these men based upon a criticism of their sanity, presupposes a standard of normality from which to deviate. If you're going to be consistent with the foremost, prominent proponents of atheism, you should admit that doesn't exist! Atheistic thought has constantly affirmed the lack of ultimate absolutes in the universe, affirming instead that everything around is simply pure cosmic and chemical chaos, a riptide of accidents that did not have us in mind. You are borrowing our worldview in order to try and smack it in the face.

[@paulrichards6894]

@@IcyJuggernog the fact they both think they have an imaginary friend makes me not care what you think....its 2021 not 1621

[@piercebrown359]

@@paulrichards6894 Christianity isn’t a fairytale the only reason you as an athiest or agnostic might believe so is because you don’t believe in things you cannot see. No, athiest or agnostic has solid evidence that Christianity is false or God doesn’t exist the only thing y’all come up with is “there’s no evidence”.

[@piercebrown359]

@@paulrichards6894 God isn’t an imaginary friend and the existence of a a Creator dates way before the 16th century. As a Christian to you I hope you actually look for evidence for God instead of waiting on that Day when times up. Please respond thanks. God Bless Paul Richards

[@thomasgriffiths7993]

Well Actually...The Birmingham Quran is a partial manuscript and contains parts of chapters 18 to 20 of the Quran. These chapters, along with the rest of the Quran, are made up of 114 chapters in total. The chapters of the Quran vary in length, with some consisting of just a few verses and others consisting of several pages. It is difficult to give an exact percentage of the Quran that the Birmingham Quran represents because the length of each chapter can vary significantly. However, as a rough estimate, the Birmingham Quran contains about 1.5% of the total content of the Quran.

[@intelligentdesign1039]

"I'll have to check that" You lost Abdulah. Interesting debate.

[@juanb.2050]

God Bless you James White!!

[@Hamza000h]

Indeed, as a muslim i cant say how much love and respect i have for him

[@vaderetro264]

Abdullah's speech is flawed since the very beginning, quite an impressive feat. Having many versions of a text but not the original text is a problem only if the copies differ from each other dramatically, not if they are almost identical - and we have thousands of them. Muslim apologists often sound disingenuous to me, they use incorrect information to support their agenda to a degree of dishonesty which is unusual among most Christians. It's saddening.

[@TechieBunny]

lol what you guys tell yourself is unbelieveable. The text of the bibles are drastically different and without authors to verify and some bibles even have like 10 extra books, thats not a drastic difference? How is that not dsingenuious?

[@shawn-wr8ux]

@@TechieBunny books were thrown discounted because of false teaching. for example i think its either 1 and 2 maccabes or tobit that spoke of prayers to the dead/ for the dead for saving.

[@TechieBunny]

@@shawn-wr8ux I know, its how catholics justify their prayers to the saints. You're missing the point in what that means. Who authorized or determines these changes? Who wrote it in the first place? If those that wrote those are removed why arent the rest of their works removed? How can you verify an anonymous author? How can it be an original? This is why I responded to the comment, its clear they differ and were changed or added. I understand you guys dont believe in the Quran but honest is honest. To say they are all identical but have whole books removed, added or redacted is very dishonest and just biased.

[@jasons5904]

I'm sorry, but Abdulah Hamimi claims the great amount of variation within the manuscripts of the New Testament are such that scholars are unable to determine which one is "true", and yet the example he chose to use in his opening statement is whether Jesus sent 70 disciples or 72 disciples? Is there any variation to the claim that Jesus is God's Chosen Saviour to redeem His people from the bondage of sin? Or the claim that Jesus is God, the Son? If I tell my friend that my wife "went to get the pen out of my car." or "went into my car to get the red pen." or "went into the car to get the pen." is there any difference to the message, that my wife is not here, and she went to a car to get a pen, depending on which sentence I choose to use? Is there any critical information that conveys a meaning that is lost depending on which sentence is used? We communicate in many different ways. Not everything that we say is as important as every other thing we say. God has preserve the Gospel. Human beings are corrupted by sin. God is holy and good. He is a perfect judge. We are all law breakers. The wages of sin is death. We have all earned death. God, in being a perfect judge, demands, by His righteous nature, atonement/payment for every single sin. Every false religion claims that you can somehow undue sin by doing good. How can this be? If I murder someone, do I undo the murder by helping the poor? How is this so? Jesus paid the price for the sins of His people. His people's sins are atoned for by the penalty He endured on the cross. This would not work if He was just a regular person, as every other person has been a sinner. The blood and death of a sinner cannot be an atonement for the sin of another. It is only because Jesus was without sin, that His blood and death could be an atonement for the sins of others. He sacrificed His life willingly for those He loves, which, in His words, is the greatest act of love a person can commit. Allah arbitrarily forgives the sins of some, which means Islam's concept of justice is flawed. Some people are able to escape the punishment of sin, without a sufficient payment given by anyone. This is not perfect justice. I hope you understand or come to understand how awesome and great God is. His mercy in indescribable. He is wonderful beyond comprehension and He is worthy of our lives. Jude 24-25 [24] Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, [25] to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

[@marcuscochran806]

Almost felt sorry for the young fellow flipping that one piece of paper over again and again trying to come up with a valid point… Almost 😅

[@tommymccardell7752]

We have Clement of Rome, Ignatuis, Polycarp, Justin Martin all who were born in or around the first century who were able to confirm the witness of the NT. The eyewitnesses who lived in the apostles' days were around to dispute any false claim about scripture verified the truth of scripture. I rather trust the writings and oral traditions of those were witnesses to the apostles than anything else.

[@mohamudahmed6554]

There are eye witnesses who wrote the NT. That's literally impossible and this is the Modern Christian consensus on this. The fact that the oldest NT fragment is dated to 125-175 A.D shows that it is impossible for that small mansucripts being written by people who met Jesus and saw the events. At the very least be sincere and educated on your own Bible.

[@tommymccardell7752]

@@mohamudahmed6554 you all can attack the credibility of the bible all you want. Textual scholars have already agreed that no doctrine of the bible has been affected. Burt Ermhan believe that Christ existed and that the NT represents his story. Now the Quran says look to the prophets before Muhammad to validate the Quran message. Nowhere in scripture does God prophesied about Muhammad coming as the final prophet. So by what authority did Muhammad get his Revelation if none of the prophets of God knew about him?

[@mohamudahmed6554]

@@tommymccardell7752No one is denying if Jesus existed. Speaking of *Bart, he'll be quoted down below. Let's bring Christian Bible scholars regarding this shall we? The Modern Christian scholarly consensus to be specific. Here is a list of the NT mansucripts which proves no eye witness ever wrote it: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_New_Testament_manuscripts *94% of the surviving manuscripts come from the 9th century or later.* Reference: Aland, Kurt; Aland, Barbara (1995). The Text of The New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions and to the Theory and Practice of Modern Textual Criticism, p. 81 *The 4 Gospels were written by unknown authors that never witnessed the events.* Here are some Christian scholars giving you the reality of your Bible. I will give you their full names and wikipedia links to see these Christian scholars. "The Gospel of Matthew is anonymous: the author is not named within the text, and the superscription "according to Matthew" was added some time in the second century" "On the surface, this has been taken to imply that Matthew's Gospel itself was written in Hebrew or Aramaic by the apostle Matthew and later translated into Greek, but nowhere does the author claim to have been an eyewitness to events, and Matthew's Greek "reveals none of the telltale marks of a translation" [13] Harrington 1991, p. 8. Daniel J. Harrington was Professor of New Testament[1] and Chair of the Biblical Studies Department at Boston College School of Theology and Ministry (formerly Weston Jesuit School of Theology). en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_J._Harrington en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_the_Apostle "Modern mainstream Bible scholars argue the Gospel of Mark was written by an anonymous author, rather than direct witnesses to the reported events.[16][17][18][19][20]" E. P. Sanders (30 November 1995). The Historical Figure of Jesus. Penguin Books Limited. p. 103. Ed Parish Sanders FBA (born 18 April 1937) is an American New Testament scholar and a principal proponent of the "New Perspective on Paul". en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._P._Sanders Bart Denton Ehrman (/bɑːrt ˈɜːrmən/; born October 5, 1955) is an American New Testament scholar focusing on textual criticism of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, and the origins and development of early Christianity. He has written and edited 30 books, including three college textbooks. He has also authored six New York Times bestsellers. He is currently the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Bart is a Ex Christian and yet, he is a PhD scholar and valid. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_the_Evangelist "The Gospel of Luke does not name its author.[19][20] "The Gospel was not, nor does it claim to be, written by direct witnesses to the reported events, unlike Acts beginning in the sixteenth chapter.[22][23][24] " The earliest manuscript of the Gospel (Papyrus 75 = Papyrus Bodmer XIV-XV), dated circa AD 200, ascribes the work to Luke; as did Irenaeus writing circa AD 180, and the Muratorian fragment, a 7th-century Latin manuscript thought to be copied and translated from a Greek manuscript as old as AD 170.[25]" Raymond Edward Brown SS (May 22, 1928 - August 8, 1998) was an American Catholic priest, a member of the Sulpician Fathers and a prominent biblical scholar. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_E._Brown Also by Sanders and Ehrman. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_the_Evangelist "The authorship of the Johannine works has been debated by scholars since at least the 2nd century AD.[10] The main debate centers on who authored the writings, and which of the writings, if any, can be ascribed to a common author" Frank Leslie Cross FBA (22 January 1900 - 30 December 1968) was an English patristics scholar and Anglican priest. He was the founder of the Oxford International Conference on Patristic Studies and editor (with Elizabeth Livingstone) of The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (first edition, 1957) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._L._Cross "Most modern scholars believe that the apostle John wrote none of these works,[16][17" Leon Lamb Morris (15 March 1914 - 24 July 2006) was an Australian New Testament scholarBorn in Lithgow, New South Wales, Morris was ordained to the Anglican ministry in 1938 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Morris Joseph F. Kelly, PhD, is professor of religious studies at John Carroll University in Cleveland, Ohio www.google.com/search?q=joseph+f+kelly&client=ms-android-samsung-rev2&source=android-browser&biw=412&bih=682&sxsrf=ALeKk02Cy4JlgLfVuno2biHdTlXW8cI7ig%3A1618162434089&ei=AjNzYMbxBO_mrgTDx4_YDA&oq=&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYBDIJCCMQ6gIQJxATMgkIIxDqAhAnEBMyCQguEOoCECcQEzIHCCMQ6gIQJzIHCCMQ6gIQJzIHCCMQ6gIQJzIHCCMQ6gIQJzIHCCMQ6gIQJzIHCCMQ6gIQJzIHCCMQ6gIQJzIHCCMQ6gIQJzIJCCMQ6gIQJxATMgcIIxDqAhAnMgkIIxDqAhAnEBMyBwgjEOoCECdQAFgAYMQQaAJwAHgAgAEAiAEAkgEAmAEAoAEBsAEPwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Evangelist

[@manjulakumarinayak6532]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction , for instructions in righteousness:. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works,(2 Timothy 3:16-17)🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@luciano1984able]

Abdulah just reads from a script. How original from a muslim.......

[@commentwell3870]

I felt sorry for Abdulah Hamimi after a while.

[@arnoldmaglalang5522]

If Jesus was only a human prophet he can not walk on water and stop the violent storm. If Jesus is only human prophet he will not be seating on the right hand of the God The Father. Jesus said to Satan do not put God to the test. Jesus revealed himself as God not to be put to the test. Thomas said My Lord and My GOD. Jesus is God. Where every knee should bow in heaven earth and world below. And confess Jesus is Lord. In If everyone should bow to Jesus he is Lord God. And there is no human prophet called Son of God. If Jesus is called Son of God he is divine. Son of God is equal to God the Father.

[@Anthony-uc5ps]

Jesus did these maricals by Gods permission Jesus never claimed to be God Jesus Christ peace be upon him prayed to God you dumb fuck

[@kanwalamjad6187]

Abudula was not using the same standard. And also by the way where is now Quran written two years after Muhammad ?

[@alhassandeen7012]

Am a Muslim, Dr James white is the one of the Christian schooler thaat I respect most

[@mattverville9227]

I would love to see Mohammed Hijab debate james white. Would be a fun one.

[@heartsonfire2458]

Much love friend. Jesus loves you.

[@Godswill247always]

Brother, pls meditate on the things you have heard from him at least. Thanks, Jesus loves you.

[@muhammadmomin3913]

I actually respect Doctor James as a Muslim. And guys also watch the James white and Adman Rashid debate

[@palabraviva5840]

The Muslim guy used half of his 5 minutes using the word.. uh

[@CyprusHot]

Abdulah is veeeeery defensive

[@PracticalBibleStudies]

I just put out a video with Dr White. Love that guy!

[@spiralapprentice]

It’s extremely difficult to listen to Abdullah. The cadence of his speech gives me a panic attack.

[@danielomitted1867]

57:39 "as determined by Paul" a small little quip but really reveals where hes at. Im guessing he believes Paul corrupted all of the New Testament so that Christians dont really have Jesus' teachings. Which is conspiratorial nonsense. I wish muslims were half as critical of their own sources as they are with ours. 1:18:26 "no one memorized the new testament" how do you know that? You cant examine the memories of dead people.

[@danielomitted1867]

@J M how do you know its the original Quran? You don't. You have to trust Uthman got it right. Which if you examine the hadiths it seems quite obvious he didnt get all of it.

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

It's a truly baffling conspiracy theory. The Quran never even mentions Paul by name nor does it ever say the Gospels are corrupt, Muslim apologists grasp at straws to try and excuse the fact that they have this huge quandary to explain away why Muhammad would tell Jews and Christians that their scriptures were accurate in the 7th century but 2 centuries later, the story changed.

[@youtubeaccount9000]

Dr White is a knowledgeable person, he studies a lot, and tries to give the other side a fair chance. But there's a reason Muslims LOVE debating him, even rookies like this dude can babble anything they want and they go basically unchallenged, he spends way way way tooo much time defending every point they raise. If a fair Muslim watches his debates he would think Christians have problems and they are trying to deal with their problem properly, but look at Islam all I was told from childhood is true! And that's why I think Dr White needs to examine his tactics, I want Muslims to hear the gospel and for their beliefs to be challenged. He's not doing that. All the above is in my opinion and I admit I might be wrong, but anyone could take 5% of Dr White' Knowledge and wipe the floor with such a good topic as the Quran. I just think he should do better.

[@cpnhowdy]

I think Dr White keeps the debate academic, scholarly and civil, which means we have to listen a bit more carefully to follow. But in doing so he does keep getting invited to debates with muslims. I also often wish he would take off the gloves so to speak; he does but it is at a higher level than the average person can understand. During the whole QA section Abdulah gets absolutely destroyed but the average listener probably does not realize it.

[@youtubeaccount9000]

@@cpnhowdy he respects them way too much... And lets them get away with lies w/o calling them out.

[@googletaqiyya184]

36:00 Eliminate the verse he refers to in John and nothing changes ! The same thing stated in that verse is stated in other parts of the NT therefore either version of the verse or elimination of the verse does not change anything but the amount of ink used to print. The Bible is very redundant and states the same thing in varying different ways that mean the same thing. If ALL the verses that state this were eliminated then he would have a point. All he is doing is knit-picking and distracting like a child. Either version of the verse or the absence of it changes NOTHING !

[@johnsmith-oo9tl]

Why do you believe what the Bible says ? Address my question before creating strawman .

[@johnsmith-oo9tl]

I googled taqqiya In Islam, Taqiya or Taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة‎ taqiyyah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution.[1][3][4][5] A related term is Kitmān (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), which has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.[6][7] This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion

[@justhebigidea]

Interesting. James argument is so good and similar to even how modern technology like Blockchain works in its design to defend the integrity of the ledger from bad actors. Awesome to think about this similarity, controlled vs. free transmission… central authority vs decentralized authority… a trust-less environment via shared truth . Interesting to consider.

[@celestialknight2339]

The only problem is that the free transmission of the Bible has indisputably corrupted its text and led to great disagreement & confusion over theology, practice, and basic beliefs. Entire passages like Mark 16:9-20, John 7:53-8:11, Luke 23:34, 1 John 5:7, and the list goes on - have all been discovered to be forgeries & fabrications by human hands, yet have misguided millions of believers to this day into believing false things about Jesus, God, and salvation. Mark 16:9-20 has even sent Christian snake-handlers to the hospital or the grave, who never realized it was not inspired. As James himself admitted, the story changes when the ‘controlled transmission’ is coming from the actual disciples of the Prophet himself, who are therefore a trustworthy source that have the right & pure intentions in mind to preserve God’s words. (I would imagine that most Christians wouldn’t mind if Peter, James, and John all came together to ensure the correct Gospel narratives were being spread - the lack of which is partly why hundreds of raging sects & denominations exist to this day) Moreover, we have now discovered extremely early Qur’an manuscripts (such as the San’aa Palimpsest), which are pre-Uthmanic and date to just a handful of years after the Prophet’s life (possibly even within his lifetime), and which match our current Qur’an with over 99% letter-to-letter accuracy. This confirms that not only were the disciple Uthmān’s efforts successful, but the text we read today was the same corpus recited by the earliest Muslims around the very lifetime of Muhammad himself. Also, let’s not forget that the Qur’an is transmitted ‘en masse’ (mutawātir), which means that every verse is multiply-attested by dozens, hundreds, and even thousands of different lines of transmission, all of which trace back to the Prophet Muhammad, and which have been recorded name-by-name, and each transmitter’s biography recorded. This system of isnād is a cornerstone of Islamic practice, which has greatly impressed even secular Western scholars.

[@lukasrowlinhelcky5731]

James should teach every Christian kid!!!!

[@carolynjo2578]

Did he literally say... let’s imagine .. let’s put on our historical hats 👀👀👀!!!! During a debate!!! Honestly How is a controlled transmission better than a free one??? Control (means a dead end) and also a historic nightmare!! That leaves more “critical” unanswered questions... then just of questions...

[@hamzakamran2485]

A controlled transmission is better because of preservation purposes. If you've played Chinese whisper or telephone games, you know how easy it is to distort the message. Being a free transmission means interpolation, subtraction and changes are not tracked and thus the original message is lost.

[@IsraeliteDefense]

@@hamzakamran2485 How would you know what was and what wasn’t “the Original” in order for you to say it was lost?

[@meldonnelly5274]

Past Islamic history ? Show a map from the 7th century that shows Mecca even existed

[@edgardelgado8753]

No way this guy first argument is was “because Allah said he would preserve it” WHAT?!

[@lirifri9016]

Great argument since its a fact. Today there is only one version of the Quran and millions of people worldwide can recite it word for word. Preserved.

[@shitbecray]

​@@lirifri9016created in 1924

[@My_God_Is_Triune.]

​@@shitbecrayHE won't answer

[@TheBlackDoctor21]

Good to know that the debate was good, because the only ones who say that James lost are either anti-Calvinists, KJV Onlyists, and heretics.

[@skafan89]

spoken like a true cult member

[@joelacona6057]

debate was a joke ....its akin to debating if Harry potter book is preserved ....JW clearly outwitted even with the topic....who cares if the Koran is preserved??? Lets assume it is , how about we discuss if the Koran is the word of God , NOT whether this idiotic book is preserved

[@skafan89]

@@joelacona6057 the quran can not be the word of God , the God of the bible is different and conflicting with the god of the quran , and they say that they have the same God as Christians that the same God is in both of the books , but Christians never say that its the same , therefore they re not the same , end of topic ..

[@joelacona6057]

@@skafan89 "Allah been a different god ...." You wouldnt get that impression from JW ....maybe he assumes too much ...thats me been generous , its possible he believes some twisted version....in anycase JW huge failure....reminds me of King Solomon deciding who was the mother ....by suggesting they cut the baby in half , the one that had nothing to lose agreed to do it ....so it is with Islam they dont have the Truth, their fake religion has nothing to offer except polemics , attack on Christianity...I read the koran front to back , the conclusion is very clear , its anti Christ! .They are willing to sacrifice a attack on their book , just so long it gives them a opportunity to chop our book up ...hence my analogy with the mothers baby ....

[@TheBlackDoctor21]

TRUTH & LIFE Pray tell, how do I sound like a cult member? I just made an observation on the comment section.

[@onesimosaenz2286]

Another mohamadan torn apart! Great job Dr. White

[@onesimosaenz2286]

Another ignorant muhamadan. Is the quran eternal?

[@onesimosaenz2286]

@Se Ou You carpet kissers are nothing but a generation of snakes. The Jesus in your quran is false like in the book of Mormon. Heresy should be condemned and we condemn the carpet kisser who pick and choose from the Gospel.

[@danielnosuke]

The spirit of Christ in Dr. White as seen in his words in this video and the spirit in Onesimo are diametrically opposed.

[@onesimosaenz2286]

@@danielnosuke I'm trying hard to love the enemy, but boy its tough

[@kevinschaafsma9711]

But the new testament relies heavily on an oral tradition. Original witnesses must have told their Strutt to others who told others who told others and only then did the gospel writers write the gospels. The gospel writers never spoke to actual witnesses to get the full story.

[@majorianus8055]

Yeah I was waiting for James to bring up the Q source, the hidden source for Mark and Matthew which seems to be an oral tradition made by the Apostles a few years after Jesus ascension

[@savagemode.]

♥🙏 If anyone have knowledge how can I watch every debate of Dr.James white(channel or something) if anyone knows plz let me know. † And also what are the name of the Books that he mentioned plz let me know 🙏🙏.