Debating Triggered Senpai for a Third Time

[@coldhearted765]

He says you did some “female” petty stuff but then proceeds to be petty and passive aggressive 😂

[@AListExists]

That's the part I don't get. He's always accusing people of stuff that he does himself. So much projection.

[@kakashihatake313]

Triggered is the kind of person who thinks he's the only one who is right when he walks into a room full of people.

[@AListExists]

100%. That's the only excuse for what just happened

[@furutatheclown3619]

triggered just got me doing this the whole time "🤦🏼"

[@AListExists]

Same. We are both still baffled about what happened.

[@furutatheclown3619]

@@lawrencegutierrez9261 that man genuinely cannot post anything without putting an emoji. Guy is like a kid

[@blackcatpirates8134]

What do you guys think about Chapter 1053? I loved it,I personally prefer Buggy being a Yonko over Law or kid because Law and Kid don't have territories or influence like buggy does and on top of that they're can't even fight a Yonko 1v1 like luffy. I am so happy that Green bull destroyed king and Queen because I'm tired of the Admiral low-balling,also what do you guys think of Wano as a whole compare to other major post timeskip arc? I think it's better than Fishman island but Dressrosa and whole cake are better. Although I am disappointed by Kaido's character and how he was defeated

[@animefreak8535]

I don't know about them but me I don't like it

[@blackcatpirates8134]

@@animefreak8535 But why?

[@animefreak8535]

@@blackcatpirates8134 I seen too many holes in the script for this chapter. Love the Clown Emportar and the new Admerial. However the Weapon location and Luffy wanted poster and stuff with the D and Joyboy I hated

[@blackcatpirates8134]

@@animefreak8535 What's wrong with the location of pluton and the D, luffy's wanted poster and Joyboy?

[@animefreak8535]

@@blackcatpirates8134 Kaido not founding it in 20 years old. I think the OG poster best showoff Luffy as a charcter the Joyboy needs to be something the whole world probably does not understand

[@doomduck9073]

This whole "debate" is pretty embarrassing for both sides.

[@AListExists]

I wouldn't disagree considering we're getting so heated over dumb shit. (this is first guy speaking)

[@AListExists]

I can understand how it's bad for Triggered, but how is it bad for us. Triggered did -Lied and said we were sneak dissing him -Straight up shit talked us -tried to say that he didn't shit talk us and then immediately realized that he did so he stopped himself -lied directly to us in the DMs -misrepresented what we said in the discord -tried to get me to completely stop talking in my own discord -said that he doesn't care because this is about cartoons but he asked for a discussion about cartoons -admitted to making content that he didn't want to make and didn't feel good about just for the views -ran away from the discussion when he asked for it How is it bad for us?

[@doomduck9073]

@@AListExists It sounds to me mainly that you don't like triggered, and this video ain't really a debate despite being called one which is why its embarrassing. IMO, if one side is interrupting that's one thing, but both sides were interrupting each other so you're both looking pretty bad. Paraphrasing him when he said: "Enjoy the stream" and left just reeks of negativity, his reason for leaving seemed clear to me: he left because he thought the discussion was becoming emotional rather than being objective. If he was having a discussion with you and reacted to someone else's comment (which is what it sounds like from how I hear it in this video) than that's pretty stupid. Also the underhanded comments with nothing to do with the topic of discussion like: "Don't you think its sad you can reply to my point? 🤓" "Triggered do you make videos you want to enjoy or videos people tell you to make?" It all seems very petty to me, dudes just trying to make it on KZbin the way he thinks will help him grow. If he doesnt want to sit through all of Jojos, of course he wouldn't make a video on it (I hope). I don't like Triggered's content, and even more so his takes (especially claiming QuantumTV was ganged up on). Personally I think he shit talks most of this media and makes these videos because he likes to and gets a kick out of it (this what he tells me when I ask), and attracts a similar community. The click baiting is a bit much. As for why he goes into discussions for this I don't know, I even think the whole hallucinations debate is irrelevant beyond belief, he just likes demon slayer and should leave it at that. These dumb discussions just make anime fans as a whole look bad. I've actually gotten into these shitty arguments in the past with triggered (his Elden Ring vid was shit as fuck), and they usually result in him calling upon a VC discussion which I think is objectively worse than a written conversation because they usually turn out the same way as it did in this video.

[@AListExists]

I don't like assumptions like "you just don't like him". You don't know us. You don't know the full situation. I have no strong feelings towards Triggered either way. I'm frustrated by him and that's the most he gets from me. And even if I didn't like him, how is that embarrassing? It would just be me talking to someone I didn't like. The worst that happened was interuptions. He didn't mute us, we didn't call him names, we didn't rage quit. We expected a debate, we set it up as one. He didn't want to make it one. Check our channel, we have other debates. They are very civil. Triggered is the problem. It is unreasonable to expect one party to not interupt if the other party is. Let's just say that Triggered didn't interupt a single time and we constantly did. That would mean that he would never get a full point or rebuttal across. He would, more than likely, be seen as the loser because he never got fully got to counter anything that we said. So it's in the best interest for everyone to interupt if that door had been opened. I would prefer if it didn't but that simply wasn't an option. This wasn't a formal debate. This wasn't structured. But it was a debate. A debate is, by definition, a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides. As you are not in the discord and didn't see the exchange, only hearing this fragmented version and only accepting Triggered's version is in poor faith. I'm adding what lead up to the end and the "enjoy the stream". imgur.com/a/SCAo0fZ In case you don't want to read it, here's what happened. Triggered said that Tanjiro hallucinated the students because he was stressed. I said that he had never met the students but was able to get their name and information that he didn't know from them. Triggered said that stress can do that. I asked if, under extreme stress, can he perfectly hallucinate my little brother who he has never met. He refused to answer, sent a face palm gif, and said "enjoy your stream". Now, knowing all of that, how do you feel? How was I being emotional? I simply asked him a question that was pertaining to the series that he refused to answer. That's the full context. I took "enjoy your stream" as him leaving. He then replied to something that he wasn't tagged in and wasn't about the Demon Slayer discussion that he was in the discord for. He continued to talk to people that he didn't know. I was apparently not allowed to talk in my discord so I asked what was he still doing there when the purpose of him coming to the discord was to talk to me. That is the context. Give me a time stamp of "don't you think it's sad" that didn't happen. He said "don't you think it's sad that you can't listen to a conversation that you asked for." I don't see a problem with that. He said he was free. He asked for this. If he had something important to do, don't schedule this. If he gets so distracted by a single notification that he can't listen to 2 sentences, then mute the notifications. I'm not going to do a job interview on the phone while I'm making thanksgiving dinner. I wouldn't be able to focus on the job interview. You don't call him out for rudeness of not paying attention and getting distracted but calling him out is an issue? How is asking him if he makes videos he wants to make or not petty? Just saying something is petty isn't making a point. You need to explain. He is clearly not trying to make it on KZbin in a way that would make him grow. He has been asked to watch Jojo and talk about it. This means that people would watch him talk about it. He doesn't. This is just like the stuff Triggered talked about. He doesn't care about talking about cartoon crap but yet he does care because he does talk about cartoon crap. Now he wants to make it on KZbin but he doesn't want to do the things his audience wants? You can't have it both ways. You say if he doesn't want to watch Jojo, you hope he won't, but he literally said he didn't want to make the Demon Slayer video but he did. So he doesn't want to talk about cartoon crap because he doesn't care but he does talk about it because his audience wants him to. But he won't talk about cartoon crap that he doesn't care about, even though his audience wants him to. Do you see the hypocrisy? I know why he wanted this discussion. He can't take criticism. Each time that we have done a video on his video, he's come to talk about it. The first time with One Piece he came into the VC. The first DS video, he came to the discord. The second DS video, he came back to the discord and also made community tab posts about us. I have no problem with any of that, but for the OP video, he left after initiating the discussion. The first DS video, he refused to answer my question. And with this one, he left again. If he wants a discussion, I expect him to see it through til the end. The hallucinations point is not irrelevant because it shows just how pig headed he is. The manga calls them spirits, he has not explained how hallucinations can tell Tanjiro information that he doesn't know like their names, personality, and breathing, it also breaks the world because of ghosts can give information and hurt living beings, then the world of Demon Slayer should have ghosts fighting demons. It's unexplained why there are no more ghosts to do that so it destroys the world. Triggered, hopefully, recognizes this and needs to say that they are hallucinations so the story can still hold up. Instead of admitting that this a bad thing in the story, he says that they are hallucinations with flimsy evidence and then when they are sitting on the rock away from Tanjiro, that's when they are ghosts. It's ridiculous. I don't care if you don't think it's important to talk about. If you think it's not important to talk about, then don't talk about it and let the people that want to talk about it talk about it. What would you do if a cousin of yours said "I think it's irrelevant to make comments on KZbin about cartoons". Would you stop because someone thinks it's an irrelevant thing to talk about? I would hope that you would continue because the opinion of a single person that thinks something you are doing is irrelevant shouldn't matter to you. So dumb discussions are bad? What's a smart discussion? Are we just not supposed to ever talk about anime online? When you had arguments with Triggered in the past, were you making dumb points? Did you think that was a dumb discussion? Did you go in with the best of intentions but it turned bad because Triggered is an idiot or did you go into it to have a dumb discussion? C'mon dude. You need to think about this. We both had bad interactions with Triggered. Having discussions is not issue. Triggered is the issue. You addressed almost none of the things that Triggered did and really only focused on what we did. I made a list. Why would you not address them?

[@doomduck9073]

@@AListExists TL; DR Just to re-iterate: My original point was this video makes both sides look bad. This is an extremely large comment so apologies that I won't address everything. You seem to have taken this a lot more negatively than I expected, also is there actually two different people running this channel or just the discord account "compbros"? Also I think I should just message on discord, i'm on Twenty 200 Productions as CelestialDuck I understand I would technically be assuming that you don't like him, which is why I stated: "It sounds to me mainly" What's embarrassing is seeing you label this as a debate when it really isn't, it's just a deplorable back and forth between two people who don't stay on point. I'm just saying it how I see it from my very narrow view of all this. 3:59 to 4:06 Is the moment I think is pretty petty. I typed it wrong, my bad. But even in that time stamp, the other person speaking on your mic interrupted, shame on your person 2. Or person 1. Idk which. I also think questioning why hes even making the content he makes is slightly petty, but thats more subjective. First I want to clarify: I think I made it clear already , but I don't agree with how triggered approaches his debates and hes an idiot for how he does it. I'm not even on his side because I think he approaches these discussions in the shittiest of ways. That's why I didn't address your points, I am not interested in the whole history of this drama. Both sides already have lowered themselves below professionalism, there's nothing inciteful to take away from this. And I have no intention of addressing/defending the stupid shit Triggered does or says. Do I really have to address it, oh w/e... I really do think he does this content for attention, especially the Elden Ring video. He also can't have a debate with some how making an underhand comment about people from what i've seen but I stopped checking the dudes streams after his tirade on One Piece. Specifically for that debate: I just think they can be spirits or hallucinations or even ghosts, it really doesn't make a difference imo to nitpick this much on hence why I believe this is a pointless thing to talk about and get this deep about. But here we are. If that's what this debate was supposed to be about, then the conversation in the video has shown how much its devolved from that, and rather than either side putting it back together they continue to make themselves look petty. I disagree with the entire notion: "I need to do the shitty thing he's doing (in this context: interrupting people while they speak)" Yelling: "Can I talk?! Can I talk?!" If anything from this video: Triggered interrupted significantly less, as a viewer who isn't aware of the full history behind this video: you do look worse and I think you should know. Whether you care or not is a different discussion. Ain't helping anything, dropping to his level makes things worse. You sound emotional and petty when you contribute to that behavior. Be calm, end the discussion if its going no where, if the dude ain't respecting you just cut him off. I hope my comment didn't upset you, this stuff has probably eaten your patience more than you want to admit so I don't want to eat even more, trust me i've been there.

[@jetblazethunder3596]

0:41 Phil 16:43 that is so ironic

[@vrooommmm9631]

Bro this shit is funny as hell ngl

[@AListExists]

It's so goofy

[@TriggeredSenpai]

My dude this wasn't even a debate. You didn't even tell me yall were recording this. This was supposed to be a convo between me & you guys to break any tension we had so I could come to yall stream on my video and discuss it. Yall even said that this was between me and yall and don't see a point in having people join. So why would u then record it and not tell me & put it out to the internet. I could of said some important info & doxed myself. And then you see why I say yall have female energy because only females do that weird sh*t. This was super corny of yall foreal

[@AListExists]

The purpose of our voice chat was to talk about your video, you start with "you have issues with the video", you say multiple times that "you have my number about the video". How would you not classify it as a debate when a debate is an argument about a subject matter? You're right, that is totally on me for not informing you I'd be streaming it and I apologize about that. I just didn't want any misconceptions about the discussion or how it went especially since we've been misconstrued several times. I still should've let you know at some point. There was no tension, Triggered. We don't think you're very good at making arguments and have some dumb points but we mostly just laugh about it in the discord or discuss it. We didn't want to engage with you further because you seem pretty dug in your ways and refuse to truly understand the other side. Even after you said you didn't want to talk we still tried once more before truly giving up. Even D.A. had to look up what you were talking about with his female energy thing because he truly did not give it much thought. When did we say it's between us and don't have people join? I don't remember any concersation like that. Regardless, Naruto was in it in your discord and we weren't like "oh naw, just us". We didn't care who joined because it was about your video. Bro, if you're willingly giving information about where you live to essentially strangers on the internet that you have "tension" with then you'd already have those issues. I guess posting about us in your community tab and talking about us in the comments is "male energy". Like I said, I definitely should've told you. But running away like that was corny AF. You coulda said "I ain't know this was streamed, I'm not talking on stream" and I would've apologized and ended it right there. Again, I was wrong for that, but don't run away from something you asked for.

[@AListExists]

I had to look at the DM again to make sure because I thought I did but I must've just thought I did. Again, completely my fault there.

[@danielellis6327]

say women like a normal person

[@ijsaylyk]

Black Clover fans built different man

[@jor1469]

He's right about that. But it was pretty funny 🤣

[@thetruth2009-l4h]

Yall don't got anything else better to do instead of live streaming youtubers lmao 😂 🤣 And before I see comments talking about. "You don't got anything else better to do then to go to someones channel and hate on it?" bruh I literally got a recommendation of this.

[@AListExists]

KZbinrs livestreaming content is an issue?

[@thetruth2009-l4h]

@@AListExists youtubers getting clout from other youtubers by streaming them is an issue. Like come on without triggered senpai yall wouldn't get viewers. And I understand doing it once or twice. Or heck even 3 or 4 times. But when your channel is literally you live streaming other youtubers. It's like bro do something else with your channel dawg

[@thetruth2009-l4h]

@@lawrencegutierrez9261 ok fine. Idk how they where able to do that. When you need 1,000 to live steam. But ok. How about they change there content. Play games, do anime reviews, do a q&a vid. You know what I mean?!

[@AListExists]

"Clout" is such an overblown criticism that I have no interest in. When is "clout" acceptable? When trendsurfing? Calling popular things that people like trash? Like, are you never allowed to talk about another content creator under the guise of "the clout tho"? Did we make bad points and, if so, let's discuss it. That's what I'm interested in. Triggered is not even in our top 15 most viewed videos and we've gotten a ton of views outside of him. Collectively I think we've gotten about 6-7k views off of him, we have over 280k views. That's just a provably wrong statement. I mean, we'll do it as many times as it takes to complete it. We aren't farming his channel for content, he made a really long video that we're trying to complete and everything else has been a debate with him at one point or another. A thing he literally agreed to do and, the last two debates, he asked us for a debate, not the other way around. We have done other things like talk about series in retrospectives, play video games with our chat and each other, make tier lists, and watch bad movies. Now, with all that said, you do realize that you could apply the same criticisms to Triggered, correct? "do something else with your channel", "I understand once or twice but come on". How many times has he talked about Black Clover or My Hero, or One Piece being trash? I hope you're also calling him out for not doing something else.

[@AListExists]

You don't need 1,000 to livestream, you just need to activate livestreaming. You need 1k to monetize videos. We do Q and A after nearly every live stream, we had an entire stream of just having our fans call us out for bad opinions. And, as I said, we've done other content than just other KZbinrs.