Schooling Shoshone in the Missing Link Snaffle Part 2

[@ashleysmith2109]

This has been very helpful with my ex bucking horse we've been restarting under saddle. He has a fantastic floaty trot, but I had been struggling to get him on his hindquarters. Thank you so much!

[@valbeech7509]

Thank you Pat and Deb for another great video. Presses all the right buttons! Very kind and helpful. Inspirational to a 64 year old lady in the UK with a 12 year old Irish mare, ridden bareback and in a rope halter, who only from time to time bleeds out through the front at various paces. Shoshone is coming along very nicely in my view. So jealous of the view from your round pen 😁

[@raymondjohnson6708]

Your horsemanship has applications on all breeds of horses I ride gated and I am applying some of your discipline to my horsemanship very interesting keep going forward

[@georgearcher1712]

I like that you are showing long term goal for this horse you own. Sending a horse to a train can be helpful but learning to train your own horse is more important.

[@consueloharris580]

I received my missing link bit and it’s a hit with my horse! The fit was perfect and the cricket relaxed him. Thank you both. Keep the videos coming. 🤠

[@rs-bi8yf]

Thank you and your wife for taking the time and effort showing people how and why !

[@edwarnock4534]

Lol! Yep, how many times I have seen people gathering pairs crowd the calves at or before the gate! If they would stay back and let the calves have time to see the gate opening they will go in on their own. There is a saying where I have worked, "slow and smooth is fast." (When we have pairs coming in to the pens, the boss would send one man back to open the gate and then get out of the way. And if he told you to go open the gate, he expected you to move out quickly and go outside the view of the cattle.) Every time you work cattle and particularly calves, work thoughtfully and quietly. No fast moving, no running, give them time and position you and your horse in a way that encourages them to make the choice you want them to make. And old cowboy once told me point your horses nose at the back end and the cattle will step forward, point the nose at or in front of the calves shoulder and they will stop or turn back. Do it too fast and they'll leave the country! This is what Pat is talking about when approaching a gate, cattle naturally start to become apprehensive asthe come to a fence or gate. Until they see the opening they are likely to bolt if pressed too hard. Novices often say they can't get cattle to go through the gate, but really it is that they crowd them too much and don't let the cows and calves have enough time to find the opening. (Cows know about fences and realize they are barriers. I have seen cows not want to go between fence post with no wire because it looks like a fence to them.) When that happens you have to mother up what is left and turn the cows without calves back out so the calves can find their momma's. (Thus you just cost your outfit a day! That alone can cost you a job, especially if it happens more than once.) You'll never have much success getting calves back alone without their momma's. I have moved cattle through brush and timber, which can be a trick, you have to go fast enough that they don't stop, but not so fast that they start to separate. Again it is how much pressure you use to move them. If you do it right you'll come out with all you went in with but, if not you can be up with cattle all over the place. Some rangey cows will stop out of sight if you allow them to, and then they will sneak right back to where you picked them up. This is particularly bad when you have small calves, who often end up separated from their momma's.

[@SamboJo87]

Thank you for sharing your experiences. Lets Hope ppl take the time to read it . Too many instant gratification type ppl in this world... Anyway i digress

[@katherinekotzan4286]

I'm enjoying all your videos especially ones with the older horses

[@wesleybourque5000]

Love the education and the side stories..

[@aileen694]

I always enjoy your excellent videos, Pat! They're chock full of information, helpful tips, a bit of history plus humour. And everything done with respect for the horse. So much subtlety is involved in doing it right. You and Deb can be proud that you're teaching correct riding skills that help both humans and horses become more attuned. Your "bank robber turn" was exactly what we see in old Western films! And you mentioned "restless winds"...are they also called Santa Ana winds, like the Mistral in Europe and our Chinook here in Canada? Please carry on and thank you so much, Pat and Deb! --Aileen in Toronto

[@PatnDebPuckett]

They aren’t Santa Ana’s because they aren’t off of the desert. They come in every spring from the northwest. It’s Mother’s Nature’s broom! When Pat lived in Montana, he welcomed a Chinook. Never heard of the Mistral’s...

[@jeanfish7]

@@PatnDebPuckett breeding of Shoshone?

[@tinoyb9294]

Always worth the wait! Wish all the dude ranch people knew some of the cowboy etiquette.

[@jenempete]

What is the story behind the term "bank robber's turn"? or is it a "Pat"ism? Excellent information on rein handling. Thanks!

[@janmutchler7355]

Another great and informative video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@triplet4547]

Missed you and Shoshone for sure!

[@barbgunness6598]

Hey there Pat, so this video is EXACTLY the 17 yo mule (husband's ride) that I bought the ML snaffle for, identical to everything and the most to the walking out part because I quickly am finding that he seems to want to lean on my hands as I try to get a "collection" as we are walking forward. . Perhaps I need to be sure he is stopping with my seat and not my hands and realizing my hands will give? I feel like I am trying to grind soft sand out of concrete and I barely get a scratch of anything. More backing backing backing? I am trying to count how many times you backed up talking about brandings, I lost count...

[@PatnDebPuckett]

It looks like you’ve answered your own questions.

[@daviddiener3924]

Outstanding!!!!

[@raymondjohnson6708]

I wish I could see more of what you mean by rolling the leg is it just pulling it up and down against his side

[@PatnDebPuckett]

No. Rolling the leg means just that. As your leg rolls, your toe turns out. If it gets to the maximum position, the spur engages.

[@raymondjohnson6708]

@@PatnDebPuckett thank you I understand so the end result ends up being the maximum pressure

[@PatnDebPuckett]

@@raymondjohnson6708 Well I’m not sure I’d say it that way. The goal is that the horse responds to the rolling of your calf BEFORE the spur is engaged. But the spur is always there to back up your leg if the horse doesn’t pay attention.

[@shaneloebert1968]

Thank you, once again l learnt a whole heap of stuff l would never know otherwise :)

[@kengamble8595]

Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍

[@Mattrangel98]

Hi pat and deb, I have an issue that you guys could help me out. I recently bought a 12 year old Tennessee walking horse from a gentlemen, claims they haven’t been ridden in 5 years. I’m using a correction bit on the horse every time it has a bit in its mouth it always bleeds. The other other I bought from the gentlemen was a saddlebred. I used a correction bit on him aswell and he doesn’t bleed. He listens more to the bit than the other. The Tennessee walking horse has gotten to where he won’t move with me. Forward or backwards. He just stands there. I use spurs and I give him a tap and nothing. I’ve used a whip and nothing. What are y’alls thoughts? The previous one said he used a chain bit on the horses. I look forward to y’all a response. From your videos I’ve learned a lot. I’m making my saddlebred a roping horse and your videos have helped a ton. Thank you!

[@Mattrangel98]

And they have separation issues. If I ride one by it’s self it always wants to run towards its buddy. How can I stop that?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

It is impossible to know what to tell you to do from where we are without seeing exactly what is going on. I will say that a correction bit is the worst thing to hit the horse world since the twisted wire snaffle. Throw it away. Then find a reputable horseman in your area to help you work through the problems with your horses.

[@jeanfish7]

@@PatnDebPuckett feeling stupid, what is a " correction bit"?

[@myearthlytreasures3]

Excellent!

[@jimhouse9273]

Good on ya Pat.

[@kellymarshall134]

When riding one handed I find myself switching to the direction Im turning, would you recommend using the the left more than the right because most people rope with their right?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

When you’re schooling, it doesn’t matter. Do what is most comfortable for you and what helps your horse the most.

[@lauramoy9940]

He is a handsome horse.

[@johnmccaughan4195]

Thank You

[@jeanfish7]

I can see why Deb wants him:)

[@donna_NC]

Me too absolutely beautiful big boy! Great teaching, go easy yes time/patience is very important with horses as well as children❤️🤠

[@SamboJo87]

Be consistent is what you're saying.

[@edwarnock4534]

Pat seemed pretty direct and consistent to me. I think often we think we know something and then we see someone like Pat who much of this is second nature. He actually has had to stop think out what he does and try to explain it in a way other folks can get it. Then on top of that he is teaching a process which moves from stage to stage. Often we miss the change. I work with a guy who the boss always was having o tell him which cow or calf he wanted through what ever gate he needed. The poor guy got so frustrated on day and started shouting back, "first you want the black baldy then you want the red brocco face, make up her d**n mind!" ( Never a good idea to shout back at the boss.) But what was really happening was the cows were constantly moving and in a fluid environment you need to adjust and anticipate the cattle and the opportunities you have. It becomes a feel or the ability to read animals. So by the time the boss called out a cow, the novice hand had not seen (recognized) the opportunity and missed the cow. Horse training is exactly the same way. It is not a mechanical skill, it is an artistic methodic application of finely timed stimulus (or a specific release at exactly the right moment) in order to get a smooth and more efficient movement out of the horse. This is why people sometimes think they are hearing contradictory instructions or advice.

[@edwarnock4534]

Sorry I think I miss read your post. You are right consistent, but able to add to or adjust as needed. Horses are sensitive animals, both physically and emotionally. Every one is a little different. A freshly saddled younger horse will often be hot and hard to slow them down like Pat is doing with Shoshone. Horses like that I'll walk them out a little till they start to settle down then find a little level place to do what Pat does here. (I rarely had access to a round pen or arena.) You just have to read each horse and figure out where they are emotionally and mentally. One guy once told me a horse has all the same emotions you have but not the same metal ability to control his emotions. That made a difference in how I approached specific horses and overall horsemanship.

[@SamboJo87]

@@edwarnock4534 I wasn't disagreeing with Pat at all. I was Just typing out loud. I watch his videos religiously and am eager to learn whatever i can from this man. I have zero experience with cattle so I wouldn't know what you're speaking of... some day hopefully i will.

[@SamboJo87]

@@edwarnock4534 thanks for sharing your thoughts. Never hurts to listen from another perspective. I've only trained a hand full of horses with my mother and she had a different angle to "breaking" a horse. As i got older i went a different route to "gentling" and making a partner. Im always open to different ideas . The most challenging horse is my current horse a BLM mustang. He had changed hands two times b4 coming to me. Sent the first owner to the hospital. Lord knows what happen to him with second owner but ... I heard the bad news of his past and only focused on his future. I was told to get rid of him but now hes the best horse ive ever had. Glad i didn't. Im trying to build up our courage together so maybe one day.. b4 hes too old to ride... We might get a chance to do some ranch work. When i got him he was 12 wild and wooly still without any foundation. Now hes 17. I believe horses do have all the same emotions as us.

[@edwarnock4534]

@@SamboJo87 yes I figured that out after I posted, sorry, I miss read your post and you are right. I enjoy Pat's videos too. I wish I could have known someone like him back when I started riding. In those days no one would tell you to much. You might hear whispers back and forth, "well he's gotta learn some how." Then you'd see the smiles and amused glances back and forth.