Debunking Jordan Hater's Arguments Using Facts and Logic

Today I do a reaction to a Basketball Universe video called Destroying the Michael Jordan critiques ONE BY ONE for the GOAT. Head over to their channel and shoot a like and subscribe, he's great! Link is below:
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[@jonlohrenz5446]

Jordan’s version of load management: kick the other team’s ass after 3 quarters so you can sit the bench and watch the role players maintain the lead in the 4th.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yes! Crazy that he still averaged 30ppg for his career while chillin with the lead a lot of 4th quarters lol

[@jordansoviet23]

And a huge leads like 35 point lead to start the 4th quarter eliminated the need to shoot more clutch baskets. That's the reason why Jordan shot 50% in clutch situations. Basically destroying the team completely in the first 3 quarters is also clutch to me.

[@MrRoda8143]

If it was LeBalco, he would remain in the game to stat pad lol

[@lockysock1901]

Apparently to LeBrons cheerleaders MJ's load management was him quitting twice?! 😂

[@Tmiscia]

@@TheRealMindCrime how abt kicking ass averaging over 25 points a game in his 40s with one leg and a broken finger

[@JayDay32]

I will say this. Can you imagine Hakeem and MJ on the same team and the defensive pressure they would put on teams. That would have been unstoppable.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Endless rings lol. Its why with Lebron and AD together it blows my mind that it doesn't work. MJ made it happen with old Bill and Luc lol. If he had any of the 5 best big men during thay time it would be game over for everyone.

[@christenn32]

Put Jordan on the Miami Heat instead of LeBron. Do you think they're going 2-2 in the finals? Hell no, they ain't. 4-0 all day.

[@eyalsabag1772]

That's a scary thought...

[@DemonKingBadger]

Yeah I did think of the if he ran to Cleveland comment, you would Jordan, Price, Larry Nance Sr, and Daugherty as 4 of a 5 man lineup. With Ehlo, Hot Rod Williams, and later Kerr on the bench. (I guess Ehlo or Williams could have been the final starter since Nance could play either forward spot.

[@KDill29]

​@@christenn32that couldve been. Not 1...2..3..not 5 not 6.....😂 With MJ and that Heat Team

[@weswarden2216]

Fan fact: when scottie and horace were drafted by chicago, horace grant was actually looked at as the better prospect of the 2. Not many people remember this...

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I can see that. Scottie had a slow start in the league. He peaked at the perfect time though for that first 3 peat.

[@KendallLitwin]

​@@TheRealMindCrimeHe was also just a skinny kid out of a small NAIA school.

[@bigjay52]

​@@KendallLitwinAnd they traded Olden Polynice to get the 5th pick to pick him.

[@SonicBoomC98]

That's because the logic then was to pair a backcourt player with a quality big

[@KendallLitwin]

​@@bigjay52True. For all his faults Krause often knew what he was doing.

[@kevinwheesysouthward9295]

My favorite MJ factoid is, that first playoff series against the Bucks was the only playoff series of his entire career where he wasn’t the leading scorer of the series. He was outscored by 1 point. It never happened again

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Facts! Only happened as a rookie then never again.

[@kobediedlol1757]

My favorite mj factoid is using 60s accolades Wilt has 88. Jordan has 84

[@orvillewright122]

Jordan’s assists average is a record for non point guards in the NBA finals for the 1991 series.

[@PoliticusRex632]

@orvillewright122 I believe the only person to average more was Magic.

[@jamieking007]

What SEPARATES JORDAN is that ANYONE u wanna call the GOAT has had WAY MORE OFFENSIVE HELP than JORDAN to SAY THE LEAST..EVEN SNOTTY NOSE PIPPEN was an 17 18 POINT CAREER AVERAGER..NOTHING SPECIAL 😳

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Exactly. Pippen was just enough help for MJ to take care of the rest.

[@xxphactor]

True, Pip more than made up for that with defense which lead to fast break points.

[@SonicBoomC98]

18 PPG was actually a pretty good average in the 90s for a #2 player and a guy who was expected to play a role in every aspect of the game

[@jamieking007]

@@SonicBoomC98 it took him some years to get to that he DIDNT just come STRAIGHT out of college averaging it tho…

[@crharper25]

Actually Pippen averaged 17 for his career, but his scoring was more like 8-17....his scoring was atrocious. But his defense was good. Honestly Pippen should have been averaging 25 a game alongside Jordan. But he never improved his jump shot.

[@ericpratt4361]

Michael Jordan never once lost to a team in the playoffs who didn't have a better record. Every single year that his team entered a series with the same or better record they were undefeated. On top of that, he won 2 of his 6 finals against teams that DID have a better record.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yes. And those 2 teams had the mvp!

[@LawrenceAugust_]

And look at 1989 -Jordan took a 47 win Chicago team past the 57 win Cavs, the 52 win Knicks and took the 63 win Pistons to Game 6. His playoff averages that year: 34.8 points, 7.6 assists and 7.0 rebounds. Pippen averaged 13.1 points, 7.6 rebounds and 3.9 assists in those 1989 playoffs. He was teaching Pippen (and Grant and company) how to compete.

Don't get me wrong I loved Jordan and the Bulls but many times I felt the other team was cheated. IMO many teams the Bulls played had better shooters and Jordan would always pull it out for the Bulls. Thats why the Pistons had The Jordan Rules. THey knew if they could hurt Jordan and get him out of the game they knew they could beat the Bulls and I agree. The Pistons didn't have to play dirty they were a much better team than the Bulls but they didn't have Jordan.

[@davidmartinez52420]

It's always funny to me when people try to say how Jordan never lost as the favorite as if that's a bad thing. Literally every single one of the all time greats were all on the wrong end of an upset loss, so for Jordan to be the only one that wasn't says a lot.

[@StevenWolfe-lx8js]

How did he do against Bird .

[@zxcvb3772]

That 11.4 apg in the finals stats, behind just Magic Johnson, I already knew about it. You brought it up already, Jordan averaged 11.4 apg in the finals going up against Magic.. but if you look at his 92 finals and 93 finals, you'll realize just how unreal Jordan was. What's the biggest thing people say about Clyde compared to Jordan? His 3pt shooting, right? In the 1992 NBA finals, Jordan set the 3pt made record with 6 in a finals half, against Clyde himself. In that series, Jordan shot 42.9% from 3pt range, and shut down Clyde on the other end with Clyde only shooting 15%. For the 93 Suns, what is it that we hear about them? That they're a great offensive team. What did Jordan do in the finals? Averaged 41 ppg the entire series, which is the record for most finals ppg in a series ever. Michael Jordan is the only player that the more you look into his career, the more legendary he becomes. He became one of the best playmaker when he's up against Magic, he became one of the best 3pt shooter when he's up against Clyde, and he became one of the greatest offensive weapon when he's up against the Suns.

[@BarryMemphis]

I have to say, the last part you wrote is one of the best arguments i've heard so far. The deeper you look into his career, the more legendary it becomes. Thats so freakin' true. Everytime you watch some MJ clips, read comments below etc, you always learn some new, thats just nuts. Like, what more is there to uncover, didnt we all see it already?! 😅 Yea man, i can relate to that point. It still gives you chills, its incredible even after all those years.

[@LutherBuilds]

That 93 Finals series was one for the books. It's my favorite Finals series from the Bulls. Imo that was when they peaked. I know MJ had to retire after his Dad was murdered, but that team could've easily won 2 more championships in a row. Obviously some players like Paxson and Cartwright were aging so they needed Longley and Kerr to come in. I honestly don't know if they could have won 8 in a row if he hadn't retired though. MJ talked about not having the drive or motivation after winning in 93. I don't know if that was 100% attributed to his father's death or not. Him taking that year and half off then coming back, he had a drive and desire to get back to the level he was at prior to retiring. He would've had to find something else to push him to the next level or to maintain that momentum if he had stayed in the league. I remember MJ saying that the first 3 championships were easier because the team was more talented. From the outside, that never appeared to be true though. Especially with the 95-96 team winning 72. Those were the years that he further incorporated and mastered his fadeaway as he wasn't as explosive to the basket as he had been. 91-93 MJ was a lot more explosive going to the basket. 96-98 MJ was unstoppable in the low post.

[@xoltarr424]

As it pertains to MJ's assists, that was back when assists only counted when the player shot the ball immediately after having it passed to them. No dilly dallying, traveling, or step back step back to shoot the ball giving a teammate the assist who passed the ball to you 10 seconds ago like it is today.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Fact! ☝️

[@eastbee103]

Jordan won in college without Pippen!! Jordan won olympic gold without Pippen!! Jordan could clearly win without Pippen!! If Jordan had Worthy or Drexler, he wouldve won chips in the nba!!

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Ive been saying that about Worthy too. People get so mad at me. Worthy was good!!

People keep saying Jordan couldn't win championships without Pippen. Then why didn't the Bulls win championships in 94 and 95? Pull up old videos of the Bulls in 1987 and going forward. You wouldn't recognize Pippen, he wasn't even a starter. Jordan won his coach Dean Smith his first championship when he was a junior at NC.

[@aklakl5854]

magic never won an nba title without kareem.. magic is overrated lol

[@EverythingisH8speech]

The bulls couldn’t have won w out pippen. It’s a team sport . It want the Chicago Jordans

[@Tippotipo]

@@EverythingisH8speech Pippen was developed by MJ to be a better player.

[@tiredoffools8929]

Fun fact: Ppl called MJ a ball hog in his earlier years, but did you know MJ avg more assists (5.9) per game his rookie year than Larry Bird did in his rookie year (4.5)? Yet No one ever excused Larry as being a ball hog.

[@PoliticusRex632]

Really? That's your take? Jordan was a ball handling guard. Bird was a forward. Duh

[@KingKratos79]

​@@PoliticusRex632UM just because you a forward doesn't mean you can't pass the ball smh

[@PoliticusRex632]

@KingKratos79 that's not what I said. You should try Tennis

[@ericjordan6059]

These people will call Kobe a ball hog yet LeBron averages more shots per game for his career than Kobe did. Strange.

[@kevinhawkins20]

Lebron has more dribbles than John Stockthon

[@Sudafed1]

What’s crazy to me is the ppl saying MJ was an overrated defender…

[@TheRealTact]

If anything that’s Lebron, dude was never a dpoy candidate

[@tohrazul]

​@TheRealTact That just isn't true. He was runner-up to Dwight Howard in 2009 and again was runner-up in 2013 to Marc Gasol. Dude was capable of being an elite defender but chose to focus on his offense. In the latter half of his career, he has largely abandoned any pretense of being a good defender to preserve his body for career longevity and his energy for offense and to pad his stats.

[@TheRealTact]

@@tohrazul it is true, he played good defense for one year and you guys overrate him to the max. Idc what he could’ve been, anybody could be a great defender if they apply themselves, it’s what he did do and that was be lazy on defense so he could cherry pick and stat pad and to try to make his longevity keep him in the goat debate because he’s too scared to win real championships.

[@tohrazul]

@TheRealTact Let's get a couple of things straight. First, get your facts in order. Being a 2-TIME runner-up DPOY means he was a great defender AT LEAST TWICE, not just once. Give credit where it's due. Second, I'm not some LeBron-Stan. Jordan is the undisputed GOAT in my mind, and it isn't even a discussion. I'd take Kobe over LeBron as well, but that doesn't mean he isn't an incredible player, likely top 5 all-time. Playing at such an elite level for as long as he has is an incredible accomplishment on its own, something Jordan was unable to do, likely because he played hard on both ends of the court, and that took a toll on his body.

[@TheRealTact]

@@tohrazul oh boy here we go with this “elite level” bs, you clearly just watch highlights, look at box scores and call it a day. The only reason he’s getting all these points is because he’s focused on offense only and padding his stats for his meaningless longevity to keep him in the goat debate, oh wow he played for over 20 seasons and only has 4 rings to show for it. Where as Michael Jordan in way less got 6 championships undefeated. Until lebron can do that without ring chasing I don’t want to hear crap about his “incredible accomplishments”. Okay so he was an “elite defender” twice, who gives af? You’re telling me in his entire 20 season career he only played decent defense for 2? That’s absolutely pathetic and the fact you are asking me to give praise for that is even more so, you sure you aren’t a lebron fanboy?

[@bobabooey3103]

Jordan haters consist of two groups of people: people that never watched him play and people whose favorite team lost to Jordan. Talent, ability, and accomplishments he is arguable the Goat. Where there is no argument is his impact.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

👏

[@happylifegodislife9942]

One more group of haters the lebron fans

[@kobediedlol1757]

​@TheRealMindCrime or people that actually do research and realize wilt has more accolades using 60s accolades

[@mmedrano21]

@@happylifegodislife9942 AKA, people who never watched him play

[@coryyoung1857]

​@kobediedlol1757 wilt doesn't have more accolades stop ur silliness

[@AnnhilateTheNihilist]

I’m an Australian aged 50 meaning I saw Jordan win every championship and he’s my king, but you’re right Dumars was as good imo as Isaiah easily… considering he played picture perfect defence…. I mean gorgeous D, and as a 16yo in 1990 I wrote to him congratulating him for winning and condolences for the death of his father … and he wrote back to me. Joe Dumars wrote back to me. He simply said “a thank you - good luck in life” how insane is that?

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Wow!!!!!!! That's so amazing he actually wrote you back. What a stand up guy. Thank you for sharing.

[@meekmeads]

He was the only Piston player, besides John Sally, who shook the Bulls hands when they finally beat them in 91 ECF. Always been a class act.

[@danielpauley9113]

That’s pretty awesome 😎 I miss 90’s basketball and my team Utah, Stockton to Malone

[@LouieDalton-zc3cn]

Just wanted to say how incredibly refreshing it is to listen to an informed fan of the game. Thank you for doing what you're doing. Very much appreciated.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Thank you for the kind words!! I've been playing and watching the game since I was 5 so I make mistakes sometimes on dates or numbers but I definitely know the game. Glad you're here!

[@golden10ful]

People forget that Joe dumar was a finals mvp. You could argue was the better player between him and Isiah, Isiah was just the leader

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup most people forget. Everytime i mention to someone the Joe D was a finals mvp they all think I'm lying til they google it lol.

[@fitzroy6970]

He was better than Isaiah esp playing defense on mj,when Isaiah tried guarding mj,jordan always made him look stupid lol

[@ahnguyen1]

i thought the leader was Dumar

[@mackgreen]

Nah, you can try to argue that. You would be wildly incorrect. Isiah is a Top 5 PG in NBA history. Dumars as good as he was, wasn't on Zeke's level.

[@johnwagner6236]

That's because Joe Dumars played great defense, Thomas was a trash defensive player, just a good shooter with a big ass jealous mouth. Glad he wasn't on the Dream Team, he dug his own grave for that one

[@murderorgy2995]

If jordan wasn't injured as a wizard they'd made the playoffs

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup. They are on course for the playoffs.

[@keithkeyes447]

Is the 1-9 record true?

[@keithkeyes447]

People use that 1-9, because jordan fans always say 6-0 like he only played 6 years.

[@keithkeyes447]

John hav.was 8-0 in the finals, Bill Russell 11 rings they never said they were the best. Just my logic

[@tyler420durdenAk]

Or if he wasn’t 47 😂😂😂 he still killed pretty much every one 😂😂😂Floor Jordan was still better than most of the players in the league 😂😂😂

[@orvillewright122]

Pippen was actually in danger of being cut by Jerry Krause because of his limited offensive production but Phil Jackson saw potential especially after he had 24 points in game 5 against the Cavaliers in the 1988 playoffs. He insisted that the team keep Scottie and asked Jordan to work with him and help him develop into a more consistent scorer and it worked out well as Pippen gradually improved and became a much more consistent scorer and defender with the Bulls than he would have been otherwise.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

This makes sense. So MJ got him to step it up on both ends right when they needed him to in order to get over the hump and start winning rings. Good call by phil.

[@PhilippVoegtli]

There are too many people who are fans of the NBA and act like great experts but have no idea about basketball. Anyone who hates Michael Jordan as a basketball player should not be taken seriously.

[@tonyjones7675]

Amen!! Someone who truly knows ball/the game. I work with kids in basketball, the fundamentals and defensive principles. Currently I’m trying to break them of the LeBron way because it’s toxic. They think it’s ok/cool to quit on a play and cherry pick to stat pad because LeBron does it. They don’t understand accountability or being accountable to themselves, the team and their teammates and look at me like I’m crazy for enforcing it smh. I don’t hate LeBron I simply disagree with the message he sends and the media for supporting it🙏🙏.

[@Ape_In_His_Apex]

Two things… 1. The Celtics starters and their 6th man are all HOfers. 2. Doug Collins has one of the Pistons losses as a team. 3. If Pistons didn’t implement the Jordan rule and played Chicago straight up, Detroit would only have 1 championship.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Agreed!

[@gabrielw7773]

Yeah after only playing 18 games in the playoffs against prime Shaq, Penny, Anderson, Grant and Scott, he swept them the following year. Kind of redeemed himself and proved it was just rust.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

100% no one starts out on the top. Its the journey to the top that makes MJ special. He did it twice.

[@cobracyxx8808]

6/0with 6 finals MVPs, in no more than 6 games. That alone makes MJ a demon

[@TheRealMindCrime]

And 1-0 in ncaa championships and 2-0 in Olympic championship games

[@elboogie2324]

Tearing down Jordan has always been LeBron fans' agenda. They're a carry-over of Kobe fans doing the same thing.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Agreed. Its pretty pathetic they want their favorite player to be the goat so badly lol

[@elboogie2324]

@@TheRealMindCrime Kobe fans were insufferable in the early 2000's. They were worse than LeBron fans today even though they had the same agenda: tearing down Jordan to promote their favorite player.

[@TheULMOnaut]

I hate when people, including Phil, say that Jordan was not a willing passer. As soon as he had options, he shared the ball and his teammates could not handle his passes and convert. Watch game 6 ECF 1989.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I agree. If he was a stat chaser he would've averaged a 25-30 point triple double. He shared the ball the right amount I feel.

[@ericjordan6059]

They look at things from a different lens. They never consider the position, amount of time on/off the ball, etc

[@RichardHomolka]

One of my fave parts of the last dance - Mike all sneaky hiding his mouth behind a cup (hey steve get open I’ll pass to you). Kerr “SURE MICHAEL ILL BE READY WHEN YOU PASS TO ME IN THE LAST SECONDS AND NO TIME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE”. (a reminder MJ slugged Kerr the previous year in practice). that pass/score was the last set play in 97 finals. Pippen got a steal and passes to Kukoc. Nobody cheered for the second unit harder than Michael.

[@NotTheWheel]

I hate the 1-9 argument because when people use it they're saying it in a way to make it sound worse than it actually is. It's just three first round exits. Two of which were against the best Celtics teams ever. Least he made it to the post season out of the gate unlike Lebron. Both were in similar situations of being on teams that hadn't seen the playoffs in a long time but MJ had an immediate impact on the Teams success.

[@AlexanderRodriguez-nc8yu]

It's part of his career. Why are you crying?

[@NotTheWheel]

​@@AlexanderRodriguez-nc8yu I'm gonna respect your intelligence here and assume you made a mistake. Because there's no way someone would say something like that based on the context of what I said unless they were stupid.

[@johndavila5096]

95% of people who were old enough to watch Jordan play , KNOW who the greatest ever is.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Agreed. I haven't met a single person who was alive during that time that doesn't think so. That's how we know the media is full of it.

[@xtrasolido]

20:00 True sportsmanship right there. None of the walking out without shaking hands.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup. Joe D said MJ always wished them well in the finals after they beat him. No walking off bs. Denver showed class after game 7 last night too. Murray was out there hugging everyone and congratulating them.

[@PedroRosado22]

​@@TheRealMindCrime because they know it is not their "birthright" to be given championships, it has to be earned by winning.

[@florianpoulin7108]

-People didn't realize how good were the Bucks in 1985. They were the 3rd best winning team in regular season, 2nd best defense, 6th best offense, 2nd best point differencial. Syndney Moncrief faced Jordan during the serie. And he was not Jason Terry ! Moncrief was still at his peak, with 2 DPOY the 2 previous seasons, 2nd in this vote in 85, + all defensive team, all-NBA 2nd team, all star, in the top 8 players in MVP race. And Jordan averaged nearly 29 pts, 6rbd, 8ast, 3stl, 1 blk, against them... as a rookie !!! -Lost of people didn't know, even among 90's fans, who was Joe Dumars and how good he was before mid-90, when he took the role of Grant Hill's mentorship. -Craig Hodges was in the S5 in 1989 playoff serie vs Pistons. -Bulls won against detroit when they mastered triangle offense and prepared physically, during the offseason, especially Jordan, to face the pistons in the next playoffs.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Agreed. They also downplay how good the cavs were back then.

[@florianpoulin7108]

@@TheRealMindCrime You mean the cavs with Price, Daugherty, Nance, Harper, Ehlo ? Very good team, potential NBA champion if they weren't forced to trade Harper !

[@chill6789]

how can these clowns today say that players today are more superior to players 25-30 years ago & you can't name one player in the past 5 -10 years that has played 82 games for more than one season today's players are soft sensitive overpaid divas

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Agreed. They understood it was a job back then. Nowadays none of these nba players know what a job is. Its a lifestyle for them.

[@no0ne_kenobi209]

@@williamshelton4318 I think that’s even a myth. There is nothing to indicate today’s players are physically superior. The fact that none of them even play 82 games destroys that narrative even faster.

[@mmedrano21]

@@williamshelton4318 I certainly noticed a lot of key players out on injury during the playoffs. It’s easy to appear more skilled when you are allowed to take 3 and for steps while driving to the basket or creat separation on a jump shot.

[@KingBreeze07]

If the Bulls had Otis Thorpe he would still have the accolades and be 6-0 today. An the anti Jordan community would say uh but Jordan had Otis Thorpe 🤦🏾‍♂️ just pathetic.

[@pjny21]

That's a great comp to Scottie!

[@edwardtatum6136]

Scottie didn't show in 90 at all. Going out having good time in Detroit. Headaches all game 7.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yeah that was disappointing. Game 7 and he has a migraine. He had those back issues in 98 but thankfully MJ was able to carry them.

[@LawrenceAugust_]

Yeah, in that 1990 ECF, his whole team shit the bed. Pippen had the migraine - 1 for 10, 2 points Grant: 3 for 17, 10 points Hodges: 3 for 13, 8 points Armstrong: 1 for 8, 2 points Cartwright: 3 for 9, 6 points Jordan’s stat line: 31 points (13 for 27), 9 assists, 8 rebounds

[@DemonKing-oi4jd]

​@@TheRealMindCrime It wasn't migraines. Detroit messed with Scottie girl. Scottie always been mentally weak.

[@smoothALOE]

The 1985-86 Bulls are a what-if team that few people talk about. They were coached by Stan Albeck, a guy who had a reputation for turning teams around quickly. The team went something like 12-6 with MJ in the lineup, including a 10-5 spurt down the stretch of the year to make the playoffs. The fact that Chicago came closer than any team in the post-season to beating the Celtics on the road shows, to me, what that team’s potential could’ve been had MJ not been injured for 64 games.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I agree! Imagine if MJ didn't get hurt and played the whole season. They wouldn't have had to play Boston in the first round and things would've been very different.

[@smoothALOE]

@@TheRealMindCrime to be fair, MJ wasn’t the only one who had injury problems that season. Orlando Woolridge, who I think was the second best player, in terms of scoring on that team only started in 59 games. Of course, I wouldn’t change a thing cause I don’t think MJ goes on to score 49 and then 63 in Boston that year if things didn’t go the way they did. Hypotheticals can be so exhausting at times, haha!

[@jonlogan3268]

Yeah, I think they were either 40 and 1 or 39 and 2 in Boston.

[@smoothALOE]

@@jonlogan3268 40-1 during the regular season; 10-0 in the playoffs, for a combined 50-1 for the whole year. Virtually invincible.

[@Jack__________]

There’s a good reason he had the nickname of “Black Jesus.” Never earned an Olympic bronze medal either… only the gold.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

And won the title in ncaa too

[@trick0502]

That Celtics team in 86 is a top 3 all time team. Not top 3 Celtics team, all time nba team.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Agreed

[@jansmitowiczauthor78]

​@@TheRealMindCrime they were 40-1 or 39-2 at the Garden!! 😮

[@ericd1084]

Larry Bird is my number two all-time. MJ is number one of course.

[@williamleggon4233]

Jordan haters don’t even watch LeBron play. That’s why they never see LeBron’s flaws. They only watch highlights of their savior LeBron James.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I think so too. They just check highlights. They have no idea how bad it really is.

[@gambitacio]

Jordan haters don’t even watch basketball or see LeBalco act “tough” but he pretends to fake getting lynched every time he plays. You get a fan of any other player in the GOAT debate (Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Russel) to debate each other for their guy and you can have a great discussion with respect. The LeBalco fans will always resort to non basketball matters and throw a tantrum and bring nothing useful to the table.

[@aklakl5854]

@@gambitacio i wouldnt. i would keep on the court

[@xxphactor]

I would like to add that Mj was a college and Olympic Champion BEFORE HE BECAME PRO. That shit matters. College was competitive as hell back then. And to those like me who watched MJ on the come up, we saw the process, and the beginning of a cultural movement called Air Jordan. Check out the mixtape...LOL

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup. All things counted he is 9-0 in championships. Ncaa, olympics, and nba. He did it all.

[@tonyjones7675]

LeBron fans hold Jordan accountable for losing to the Bucks and Celtics but in typical excuse fashion they never mention LeBron didn’t make the playoffs his first 2 seasons

[@davidmartinez52420]

Fun fact: During the Pistons run of back to back title in '89 and '90, they only lost 7 games total across both of those playoffs......5 of them were to the Bulls, 2 in '89 and 3 in '90. Those 2 in '89 were the only 2 Detroit suffered that whole playoff run.

[@Jon-Jack]

So dey lost 1 ta Blazers n 2 ta Lakers I think. Cuz my 1st time watching da Finals was 91 MJ vs Magic n I was 9😊

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Jeez! Nice stat. Both impressive for the pistons but also shows that the bulls were on their way to overcoming the pistons.

[@davidmartinez52420]

@@Jon-Jack They swept the Lakers in '89 and lost just 1 to the Blazers in '90

[@anthonyrobinson3514]

There’s a reason other players call him black Jesus. Dude is god like on a basketball court I’m so glad I actually grew up in the time to see him play and others like Larry “Fn legend” bird, Magic, etc these were great basketball players

[@LanierHale-oq3dr]

Amazing how Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth don't get "pitted" against each other like moray eels on steroids.

[@mymusic3354]

Anthony Edwards went 6 for 24, 16 points including 2 for 10 for 3s in game 7, definitely not "the second coming of MJ" as many people have been saying....The rest of the Timberwolves won that game, he played terrible, MJ in a game 7 would never go 6 for 24, 16 points and leave it to his teammates to bail him out to get the win! The Timberwolves play decent defense, MJ was one of the best defensive players ever, not just offense, although he was such a great offensive player too, MJ was a complete player, I don't see anybody with his skills and energy on both ends of the floor along with his consistency....Guys like Anthony Edwards show some good play but they don't do it consistently, of course MJ put in a ton of work, practiced a ton, always the first guy in the gym and the last to leave practice, then gave 100% during games,

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Ywah i saw thay last night. Ant really struggled the whole game and the rest of the Wolves really came through. That team is dangerous now. I thought they would collapse if Ant played bad.

[@RickMoon-om5en]

Nobody is Jordan, but there are similarities between Mike and Ant as far as their games are concerned. Edwards ain't done nothing yet so I'd be a fool to say he was Jordan. But he does have the ability to lead a team to at least 2 ships in his career. Don't make him Jordan, but I do think Ant might be the next face of the NBA. Even Jordan himself said that they had similarities.

[@mymusic3354]

@@TheRealMindCrime So it's down to Dallas, Minnesota, Indiana and Boston.....I wonder which teams will advance and which team will win the title! A Dallas Minnesota matchup looks interesting, Indiana plays with heart, Boston plays good, but Jaylen Brown can be heavy on showboating and little substance....It's like watching the Lakers with him, actually all 4 remaining teams play hard most of the time, although I can't believe Gobert got defensive player of the year....Several other players more deserving, Spurs Wemby looks like he is going to be a total beast for the next 15 years, although hopefully he is allowed to play more, he had a great rookie season even with crazy limited minutes....Gobert is often lax on defense, surprised he got the award....If LeBron was asked, he would probably say "Uh I should have been defensive player of the year....Nobody plays defense like me!" 🤣😂🤣

[@GBHOOPS35]

To me, SGA is the most similar to MJ because of his play style specifically. Ant’s mannerisms just look like MJ during a select few plays. SGA was also great in their game 7, tough ending tho.

[@weswarden2216]

He didnt play "terrible" he jus didn't shoot well... that's it, he played great defense and was able to get the rest of his team involved offensively. Jus bc someone doesn't shoot well doesn't mean they played terrible... u realize there are other aspects to the game, right? I'm not sayin hes Jordan but he didn't play terrible...

[@sirsir108]

Wild take AI's single finals win vs the lakers with shaq and kobe was more impressive than the bubble ring

[@TheRealMindCrime]

100%! Phili had no shot winning that. The bubble ring has been proven to be one of the easiest of all time. Especially facing an injury ridden Heat team in the finals. AI gettinf that 1 win showed what he was capable of. True heart.

[@collossuss10]

Best Jordan/Lebron stat for me is: Lebron James has an entire Jordan career worth of seasons without winning a ring.

[@RichardHomolka]

Mine: how many times was LeBron watching as the guy who shut him down got the Finals MVP. Kawhi (I understand he’s been top 5 at times) but an old Iguodala? And Jason Terry with no fear jacks one up with LeBron in front of him? Show me ever a player doing that to Jordan

[@pabloivanreyes7963]

Jordan in his early seasons, not only was a high scorer, but was also a great defender... he did NOT REST on defense to maintain his offense! In addition, Jordan and team performed better every year in the Playoffs: - (1985-season 1), Chicago, 38-44 Reg, Lost (1-3, best of 5) 1st Round Playoffs, - (1986-season 2), Chicago, 30-52 Reg [broken foot], Swept (best of 5) 1st Round Playoffs, - (1987-season 3), Chicago, 40-42 Reg, Swept (best of 5) 1st Round Playoffs, - (1988-season 4), Chicago, 50-32 Reg, Lost (1-4, best of 7) 2nd Round Playoffs, - (1989-season 5), Chicago, 47-35 Reg, Lost (2-4) EC Finals, - (1990-season 6), Chicago, 55-27 Reg, Lost (3-4) EC Finals Next year Won NBA Championship!

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup! He did it the hard snd natural way. Thats why once he got to the top of the mountain he stayed there.

[@punimaui7087]

There’s no one to make the arguments with because Jordan is the bar that’s set for every Hooper alive.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

✊️

[@briandutton939]

Labron shouldnt is not a true winner, lack of defense take you out of the conversation for the GOAT!!!!,the game plays both sides of the court

[@TheRealMindCrime]

100% why he's not in my top 10. Thats reserved for guys who played the whole game. Not half. We all have stuff in our jobs we dont like doing but we do em anyways. Can't just do the fun part. His job is basketball so he is not the best while only doing half the job.

[@goldengod31]

Don’t forget the flopping and the literal child like tantrums. That is not GOAT stuff sorry!

[@John_McDonnell_76]

He broke his foot 2 or 3 games into the season. When he was finally allowed to come back and play, against the front office wishes, and SEVERE minutes restrictions, he willed them to the playoffs.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup i remember. He was playing ball outside of their approval to get ready so he was really frustrated with the restrictions cuz he felt ready. Guy was willing to risk his whole career just to get thay crappy team to the playoffs. Thats why he's the goat.

[@gambitacio]

@@TheRealMindCrimeHe had a love of the game clause in his contract.

[@aklakl5854]

they won 39 games that year.. the east sucked..

[@Skunz]

The reason why the kids say “we’re done with the 90’s” is because they can’t beat the 90’s. So their logic is if they just pretend it didn’t happen then they don’t have to come up with excuses as to why they can’t beat the 90’s.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup. They're trying to cancel it out of fear that it can never be matched.

[@SmoothJK]

The fact that MJ is somehow in doubt now is unbelievable.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Its just disrespectful imo. The guy never cheated the game and worked hard for everything. Its not right.

[@stubbysidwell]

As if Jordan would have ever called 2 other superstars to play together. He'd rather build himself and his team up to dominate. Hell yeah.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

As he and the other greats always said. "I don't wanna team up with those guys. I wanna beat those guys to prove that I'm better than them!"

[@stubbysidwell]

It's like arguing with flat earthers or climate deniers.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

So true! I just walk away laughing and shaking my head

[@ajjamaal646]

If Joe Dumars played today, he would be better than prime CP3.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

For sure. Joe D is one of the most underrated players ever.

[@crharper25]

The thing is even if you lower Jordan to make Bron look better he still doesn't get the #1 spot. Top 10. MJ, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Shaq, Russell. Realistically Bron is top 20-25. & once those PED allegations turn out to be true he's dropping to top 100.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I agree. Thats why the whole thing is dumb. Leave MJ alone. He earned it. Delete him from history and Lebron still isn't the goat so its just disrespectful at this point.

[@crharper25]

@@TheRealMindCrime facts.

[@aprilnelly]

This is a cultural problem. I just watched Lebron crying on JJ Reddicks podcast. Problem is, this is what passes as manhood today.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

It is. Thats why there's a big movement of women asking for masculine men to return lol.

[@SkaterNate1]

Nobody wants the best there’s ever been at anything to be before their time.

[@powerfuljedi4256]

Fact: MJs first title, was done w/o another all star on the team. Pippen’s first all star year was ‘92, he also was nba champion and dream team member later that year

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup. MJ just needed some solid role players. He was willing to do the rest without complaining

[@mikeprolas2027]

Something random here one series no one talks about probably because he didn't win the championship that year but Jordan in 1989-1990 season when he faced the Philadelphia 76ers in the playoffs he was crazy

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yeah 89 mj was crazy. Its that bridge between the calmer champion mj and the crazy athletic 88 mj. I gotta look up what he did vs Phili though my friend. Its been a while.

[@christenn32]

​@TheRealMindCrime I looked it up. Averaged 43pts a game for the series while shooting well over 50% from the field. Pretty reminiscent of what he did against the Suns in the 93 finals.

[@QUEENSBRIDGE_10TH_ST231]

A guy who chokes, flops and abuses PEDs can never be the GOAT.

[@orvillewright122]

The circumstances surrounding Durant deciding to the Thunder and join the Warriors was significantly different than LeBron joining the Miami Heat and then leaving to form another super team in Cleveland. I understand the dislike for him joining the team that he just lost to in the playoffs but I think it was just his second conference finals appearance in 9 seasons his best teammate also choked in the series. The team traded away his 2nd best teammate and best defensive player in Serge for Victor O. who was another ball dominant player like Westbrook who was also inconsistent. As the scoring champion in 2012 he led the Thunder to the finals and won the first game of that rigged series. Harden and Westbrook were both good young players but tried to do too much and turned the ball over a lot. Harden was allowed to leave as a restricted free agent. LeBron as a 2 time MVP who choked in the playoffs followed Chris Bosh to Miami after his 7th season and even bragged about winning 8 championships even though he and Bosh were on 7 year contracts and they never played an NBA game together yet.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Agreed. I have my griped with KD especially right now because of whats going on here in phx....but nothing compares to the bs ring chasing super team building that Lebron has done. I'll always laugh about him predicting 8 championships and they only won 2

[@yournumberonepal]

Jordan in those early seasons was carrying the Bulls on his back with his youth and energy.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

100% he carried them even in his final year as a bull. That finals was all on him

[@sarahsloot2290]

So I hated Mike, and partly because the 93 suns are my favorite team in history. I cheered against MJ every finals but you don’t hate decent players unless they’re dirty or hot multiple daggers. Looking back starting with my first finals watching actively 92 bulls/blazers, he’s obviously the goat, all the stars of his time were victim to MJ being undeniable.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Love this comment. A lot of my friends hated MJ too because of the 93 finals but when i ask them now they all say "mj is obviously the goat, kobe was close, lebron isn't even close"

[@sarahsloot2290]

@@TheRealMindCrime it appears you’re a Suns fan, I’m a Barkley fan and loved that whole team. Really enjoyed a 6’9 Oliver Miller banging inside, both Dans, of course KJ. I NBA league pass and must have watched 60+ Suns games. And I had high hopes the next year with no MJ around. 🤷‍♀️

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Oh yeah. I'm born and raised and still in AZ. Been heartbreaking to be a suns fan lol. I loved thay 93 team. Sadly Dumas got on drugs cuz he was looking like a star in 93. We could've won in 94 if not for the Rockets and Mario Elle's kiss of death on us. Talk about heartbreak 💔

[@tonyjones7675]

The hatred for Jordan by LeBron fans is so REAL that on Facebook they mock Jordan by making Michael Jordan pages and groups to trash Jordan and promote LeBron. Draymond green is the biggest hypocrite with his “Michael Jordan didn’t beat the greatest team ever assembled….LeBron did!!” Wish you could do a show on this topic

During the seasons Jordan played there never was a debate on who the Goat was everyone knew it went without saying.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup. We all just knew it. That second 3 peat really just sealed the deal. Hammered it shut.

[@stubbysidwell]

The 90s were a tough Era. Very physical and we started to see what is possible to do with a basketball from all over the league.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

My favorite era for sure. Defense was just right with the flagrant rules intact but no tic tac fouls. Offense was attack based. Players weren't entitled. The perfect era before the balance shifted from too hard into too soft.

[@linorestrepolobo3620]

They say 1-9 as if it was series. It was games!!!

[@jordansoviet23]

Bronsexuals forgot that Jordan has 30-7 (.811) win-loss record in all 37 playoff series he played in. He won 25 of the last 26 playoff series he played in with the only defeat was at the hands of 1995 Magic team in conference semifinals.

[@linorestrepolobo3620]

@@jordansoviet23 they do not understand neither reasoning nor facts

[@torikirk9379]

I'm glad someone finally mentioned the assist performance. He increased his assists because he was playing against Magic. That's what made Michael great! He's competing against what you do best and still does what he does best. (Drexler was supposed to be the better 3 point shooter).

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup! He proves he's the best around by being better than you at the thing you do best.

[@gsteve8198]

MJ wasn't a ball hog. He averaged 6 assists his rookie year and 5 his 3rd year. You can't be a ball hog averaging more than 5 assists for a career

[@TheRealMindCrime]

He was never a ball hog. He never held the ball. If he got the ball and had a good look he would take it. If not he dished it. Just happens that he's awesome so he made a lot of shots lol.

[@704Nike]

Exactly that’s just Lebron fans being stupid and trying to make up and excuse for Jordan losing in the playoffs. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@danielh5583]

Someone mentioned it in another comment but this was also when an assist had to be an actual assist. If you passed the pall off and then dribble dribbled for 5-10 seconds before taking a shot it wasn’t an assist back then

[@frankiewestwood9172]

Thank you 🙏 for putting this one together.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Thank YOU for watching!

[@stubbysidwell]

Scottie was my guy growing up. Just loved his hustle and D, and that he was helping out the greatest ever. I hate his sour Grapes, but I bet we'll never know the whole perspective. They had a billion practices that were hard-core. Shit had to go down and there had to be times where 1 or the other went too far. Love them both.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I agree....he was my guy growing up. The past few years with all this hate he spewed for Jordan and Phil has really jaded my view on him. I hope he gets some help and apologizes someday.

[@abdatruthteller5895]

Damn I learned something new about MJ assists average in the 91 NBA Finals!!! He was truly that dude.... Great job!!! 👍🏿👍🏿🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Thank you!

[@Jon-Jack]

I'm so sick of all a dis cuz Mike n Kobe don't even want all dat adulation dey praise da ones B4 them. Unlike LBJ who any chance he gets a tell u he is da best ever..Wrong

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Agreed!!

[@DTraiN5795]

Also hard to win in first 3 years of MJ team when your team in known as the travel cocaine circus

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Seriously lol. He really started from the bottom and worked his way all the way to the top.

[@garyyoung2919]

Fun Fact: Bulls NEVER went over the salary cap until the Derrick Rose era... but Lebron fans will still try to call them a superteam. They don't know the difference between a superteam and a DYNASTY. Dynasty: chemistry, continuity and loyalty = gourmet. Superteam: top players joining together, disregarding chemistry, continuity and loyalty = Hot Pocket.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Bulls were never a super team. They were organic. Started with drafting mj. Then adding some guys via trade or sign. Then drafting Pip and grant etc. They did it the right way. It just takes time to build. Lebalco wants his rings in one year. Never has a cohesive team because of that. Bulls barely ever changed lineups but kept getting better over time to eventually become kings.

[@davidmartinez52420]

@@TheRealMindCrime There is an argument for the 2nd 3peat team being a superteam, but the first 3peat team most certainly was not

[@Freshprincephilly]

Rodman,pippen and Jordan are all top 75 players and hall of Famers. That's a super team. They signed rodman in free agency because they were beaten by Orlando the season earlier. It's a similar situation that Kevin Durant did with the warriors.

[@ericjordan6059]

​@@davidmartinez52420... How so? Were the Bad Boy Pistons a super team? What did Rodman do before he got to the Bulls while in San Antonio? To top it off, Rodman is older than Jordan and Pippen. Why wasn't LeBron able to win his first year in Miami? Everyone brings up how they weren't together long, yet the Bulls were able to do so with Rodman and his antics.

[@tashrif46]

18:39 if anything it adds to Jordan's legacy. The Pistons did not lose a single game in the 1989 playoffs other than the two losses they suffered against the Bulls and that was all down to Michael Jordan. And the Bulls were the 6th seed. And then in the 1990 ECF, the series went 7 games and the home court was in Detroit's favor. And Scottie Pippen had a migraine.

[@LuisGallegos-fh1vq]

This is why Lebron is not great. He quit to join Wade then Bosh to win. That's not greatness. He can never be in the Goat conversation.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I agree. Jordan kept losing and coming back stronger until eventually he was at the top of the mountain. He didn't stack the deck like Lebron did. Even then Lebron has so much less success than MJ is almost laughable because he cheated to do it.

[@ragingsloth2846]

Scoring title Regular season MVP 1st Team Defensive Player Lead playoffs in scoring Finals MVP All in 1 season, it's only ever happened 4 times in NBA History. Do you know who the players were that were able to do this? 1.Jordan 2.Jordan 3.Jordan 4.Jordan

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yessir! ✊️

[@robdon8994]

The problem with this argument is that, there aren't really any jordan haters, they just dont think he the goat,

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Oh they throw a lot of hate in these comments. They pretend like MJ was a scrub.

[@bddawson24]

I am appreciating this channel more for the honest and LeBron hate. I love it

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Thanks man lol. I just keep it legit here.

[@MookieLoLo]

Something I recently found out. Michael Jordan (along with Scottie Pippen) have the HIGHEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN THE FINALS (playing in at least 20 games or 4 Finals appearances).... 68.6%!!! Of course Bill Russell has the MOST TOTAL.GAMES WON with 45. But counting the fact that Jordan has won 6 FMVPs to Russell's 0 FMVPs. 12 players in the History of NBA have won 6 or more championships. (Michael Jordan and Pippen: 6 with Bulls), (Kareem: 1x Milwaukee, 5x Lakers), (Robert Horry 2x Rockets, 3x Lakers, 2x San Antonio) ARE THE ONLY 4 who werent with the Boston Dynasty from 1957 to 1969.!!! But what's unfortunate was that the Finals MVP award was inaugurated after the 1969 Finals and Jerry West was the first EVER WINNER in 1970. That's probably why Russell is not recognized as a multiple time FMVP during that run.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Ohhhhh!!! Woah, that is a legit stat. Thanks Mookie!

[@souldry]

Bro, I never even really liked basketball, but when I was a kid, I watched Jordan play every time they aired bulls games in ny. He was a wizard. Absolutely inhuman. Even as a kid, before I knew anything about statistics, you could tell you were looking at someone very special.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup! We call that the eye test. Thats what kids are missing now. They just look at stats. But watch one game of Jordan and the eyes know you are watching something amazing.

[@tonyjones7675]

Which is WHY I don’t understand the hypocrisy of “I’d rather get to the Finals and LOSE than not get there at all!!” I tried explaining to a LeBron fan the logic of “Learning from your losses SO THAT YOU NEVER LOSE WHEN IT MATTERS!!” Those losses and growing pains TEACH YOU HOW TO WIN but Bronsexuals simply refuse to understand that. To them there’s more merit in losing in the Finals as opposed to losing and LEARNING before you get there 🤷‍♂️

[@--ArcAngel--]

I gotta say about the whole "Jordan didn't have a left hand" thing... that is another completely idiotic argument. There are tons of plays which show Jordan using his left hand... but that's not my point. The point is, Jordan had a SUPERHUMAN right hand! Jordan did more with his right hand than most players ever do with two hands. LeBron James would SELL HIS SOUL for a right hand like MJs. Everyone has a dominant hand -- please tell me who would NOT utilize the absolute weapon of a God-given gift as Michael Jeffrey Jordan's right hand? Who wouldn't take advantage of the incredible bionic CLAMP of a right hand that MJ had? Nobody but nobody handles the ball like MJ because they don't have MJs freakish right hand. With everything that Jordan accomplished: College, two Olympic gold medals (once as an amateur in college, once as a pro with the Dream Team), 6 championships, 10 scoring titles, DPOY, a single season with 3000+ points, 200+steals, and 100+ blocks... I could go on all day with the accomplishments, advanced metrics, etc., which prove Jordan's greatness, but to save time, I will just say this: We all know the incredibly successful career MJ had, so WHY do we care which hand he did it with? Great video -- Thank you so much!

[@TheRealMindCrime]

100%! The no left narrative is so ridiculous. Another video i covered here showed that his left hand percentages are higher than most left handed players but his right is far superior to everyone else. Thank you for the kind words!

[@--ArcAngel--]

@TheRealMindCrime Thank YOU for making spectacular content! I'm officially subscribed! I'm gonna go look for your left hand video right now...i love that you debunked that garbage. It's always struck me as strange that this (fake) critisism even arose. I mean, if there was a player who, for example, was drafted high, had played for a few years and he wasn't performing anywhere near expectations, then you start pointin out things like a weak left hand. But for Michael Jeffery Jordan??? With his accomplishments, talents, statistics, dominance, etc., i don't understand why is anyone critiquing his performance? Everything he did worked really well! So I have to assume that anyone who is saying such ridiculous nonsense has got to be a Lebron James fan/promoter. But the crazy thing is, it's even MORE ridiculous for LeBron James fans to say things like 'Jordan had no left' because that only makes lebron looks even worse! Now their argument is that their 'goat' cant keep up with a one-handed Michael Jordan? And that's supposed to make LeBron look better?? 😂 I don't get it. Btw, thanks for your response!

[@notcoolmonte1533]

steph? normal? i'd argue his offensive impact exceeds elite to the point where he impacts winning more than someone who's two-way and elite on offense like a paul george.

[@djyanno]

People who say that the teams the Bulls faced during the threepeats weren't good competition are out of their mind. The only reason they seem weak is because MJ beat them all. But honestly the Knicks, Pacers, Pistons, Lakers, Portland, Phoenix, Orlando, Utah and Seattle were amazingly strong teams. The Knicks were custom built to beat MJ and they never did. MJ was simply a killer

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Exactly! So many of those great teams and players would have rings if not for having to face MJ.

[@RichardHomolka]

21:03 speaking of Dumars, in the late 80s early 90s he was THE premier guard lock down defender not named MJ. No one outside of those two came close. Rodman was a very good defender, not yet maniacal, that messed with pippen hard. No one else on the bulls was a real offensive threat so the other pistons could collapse without concern. That’s the Jordan Rules.

[@ryanmcafee5362]

If Kawhi Leonard or Lonzo Ball had broke there foot they’d have missed a whole season and a half, no questions asked.. they’d conveniently come back in there final contract year so they could play and get another guaranteed contract, just to load manage again and tuff it out once they were playing for the next contract!!! Zion, Lonzo, Ben Simmons, Kawhi and Melo ball, first team all cripple, should have to donate there checks to the make a wish foundation !! They are despicable..

[@TheRealMindCrime]

For sure. KL doesn't even wanna play when the docs clear him. MJ played when the docs said don't play yet lol. Different beasts

[@haydenphoenix3836]

When you seen MJ making that face he was making in this thumbnail it was over for the opponent. That was his "lock in" look💯🔥😎

[@805Bruin]

Anyone who uses the "Jordan didn't win a ring until he got Pippen" clearly never watched basketball in the 90s while it was happening. MJ created Pippen. Pippen is JAG if he never plays with Michael.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I know its so dumb. Back then we had a ton of duos and those duos stayed together so when they won together it became their legacy. Now its all just about individuals ring chasing. The idea of team is gone now.

[@thesentinelsfootballchanne3212]

Those kids today would've had to have been born in the 70s to really appreciate how the game has grown. I was born in the late 80s so, I can appreciate that 80s and 90s that came after. EDIT: i'm not saying previous eras With less teams on the court are any less valid than the eras that came after. I'm just saying that to nail in the head of these kids today who believe nothing they see or hear from adults would have had to be older than us and have seen it to believe it. That's pretty sad when you think about it.

Jordan was gone all of 1994 and played 15 games at the end of 1995. 1996 was his first full season back and the Bulls were 72-10.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup. One year back and they had the best record. He was mvp and finals mvp lol.

[@RichardHomolka]

18:35 there was a story, the day after the ‘90 loss to the Pistons, Pippen and Horace (probably Michael too) were in the weight room. They got motivated.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Yup. They didn't take an offseason that summer. They got stronger

[@scottmenze2704]

Top 3 players in NBA history IMO: 1. Big O 2. Larry Bird 3. MJ I'd listen to arguments to flip-flop 2 & 3, but until someone can show me a more powerful statement than this, I have to stay this way. From Pat Riley: "If I had to choose a player. to take a shot to save a game, I choose Michael Jordan. If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I'd take Larry Bird."

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Shout out to the Big O!!! I gotta cover him soon. We all knew he was the greatest pg ever when i was a kid but he is getting forgotten

[@scottmenze2704]

@TheRealMindCrime first person to ever avg a triple double in a season, and frankly I barely count Russell Westbrook doing it with how much softer the league is

[@stoniearterberry-me5fl]

This argument is toast. One guy changed the game forever, done nothing but win in 13 years with a stellar 2 years in DC when he was basically 40. He was/is so iconic to the entire sports world to this day 21 years later. If you didn't know anything about basketball, you still knew the name Michael Jordan globally. This dude's brand is literally more iconic than LeBronda is. The other guy has already played 21 Flippin' years with a 4 & 6 Finals record and is never going to catch his ghost. Majority rules. I promise there are waaaaaay more folks in this world who know who the 🐐 is aside from the ones who claim who the goat is. All these young guys started this crap along with ESPN. Are facts not facts anymore ? Opinions don't belong in this matter. Side note: MJ's game was beautiful to watch, and his kicks are 🔥 too. LeBronda's game is so damn boring! and his kicks are crap! Everybody's trippin' over his all time scoring record after TWENTY ONE YEARS..... besides, if MJ wanted to play 20+ years, I guarantee he would've. The thing is, after 13 years, Jordan had nothing left to prove, unlike LeBronda's 21 and counting... Seriously, how can a goat have a losing record in championship series?

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Legit take ☝️

[@bmanconstable4010]

OMFG, thank you for recognizing the fact that Jordan did what he did against the pistons why being tackled like a running back, and still made basically half his shots!!! I mean when you watch those games, Jordan could hardly get a shot off without a piston players hands basically holding his arms down, or flat ass throwing him to the ground. That's why that 50% isn't understood correctly, but I would bet my house Bron wouldn't even have been close to 50%.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Oh for sure! I watched that crap live back then and rewatched many times. How he managed to not stay down amazes me. It was like a rocky movie.

[@wastanley734]

As a person who watched and played basketball through Jordan era and Lebron. Um..... they both arent the goat. Both treated fans and teammates like crap. I grew up in Wilmington. Went to the same schools as Jordan. Everyone used to praise him here. Then he started coming into town while playing the NBA. And everyone hated him. They are both rude and disrespectful to their teammates and fan base. Neither is the GOAT. GOAT status isnt just about how good your stat lines are. Its also how you conduct yourself on and off the court. You wanta be the goat, do something like Larry Bird. Get hurt doing something for your mother, keep playing through the traumatic injury and still be one of the best in the league. If Larry hadnt broken his back, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The dude out played, out hustled, out smarted his opponents on and off the court.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Larry is always gonna be my SF on any team no matter what. Talk about willpower. Man was a beast.

[@galaxybrainjimmy1520]

Lol he thinks larry is a nice guy

[@thesentinelsfootballchanne3212]

Speaking of Charles Oakley, Caitlyn Clark needs her own enforcer badly. If the Indiana team can get her enforcer, these jealous goons won't enter career early.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

100% she needs that enforcer. If Oakley has a daughter I'd sign her to the team lol

[@bryangreene5795]

I felt like it served Lebron right that KD went to the Warriors. KD and Westbrook got to the Finals and had to face the Maimi Heat.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

I think KD and Russ could've done it thr next season if KD didn't leave

[@bryangreene5795]

@@TheRealMindCrime I think KD liked Westbrook as a friend. But hated the way he dominated the basketball. KD doesn't like confrontation like that. Westbrook looks like the type who would play dumb.

It wasn't Pippen..... Jordan needed a support anyone, Shawn Kemp, John Starks anyone, he had no one. Pippen was nothing when he entered the league in 1987 look those games up. Pippen was not a starter.

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Exactly. He just needed one dude to step up.

[@curtayars7344]

Jerry Krouse didn't become the Bulls GM until the 1985-86 season. Rod Thorne was the GM when Jordan was drafted

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Oh yeah. I remember him now.

[@stevenaleman7454]

Here’s something that will make you stop in your tracks: seeing MJ wearing the Bulls jersey, number 23, can be seen as “prophetic” as MJ and The Bulls won “2 3” peats…🎤🔥😊

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Ooooooooohhh. I like it!

[@ShaadsComicsandBeers]

Highest scoring average in a finals series. Second highest assist average in a finals series all time. The only way he's not the goat is if the ppl making the criteria had never seen him play

[@TheRealMindCrime]

Thats what i think it is. People just dont know.