Debunking THE WORST Review Of The Batman

A response to someone saying The Batman is a bad character and the worst live action Batman
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[@carterthacker5837]

why do people want a character to be done their full arc before the movie even starts

[@SonOfLaughter07]

@@carterthacker5837 idk man 😭

[@21Kolb]

In todays society people want instant gratification and pretty much nothing else. If it doesn’t satisfy right away then their attention span will spiral. That goes for movies, games, tv shows, ect. Its a shame, but its the world we live in

[@daniellauricella5132]

Probably because they can't stand an imperfect protagonist, or something similarly dumb.

[@Adventist1997]

​@@daniellauricella5132 It's literally the fact that they started two years into Batman doing his thing, but poorly. If they actually had the story start off when he first began than a lot of the arguments wouldn't have been made.

[@volopo7049]

People don’t know how to actually tell a good story and are impatient

[@austinmeghu]

Batman isn't allowed to be a real character because fanboys see him as an idealized version of themselves.

[@jthen8454]

Kind of the whole reason for the success of comics back in the day

[@Seraphinamagi]

@@jthen8454ah yes “Mary sue is good actually because he’s a blank slate for me to self insert into”

[@Seraphinamagi]

@@jthen8454ah yes of course being a Mary sue is fine when your Batman

[@Taxevader-gk9ms]

bruh wanted Arkham Batman in a movie based off of year one batman of course he started crying like a manbaby

[@Fiveash-Art]

@@jthen8454 These people don't read comics. They pretend that they do. The developers told them what the film is inspired by and this crowd just copy-pastes it. Even if it was 'inspired' by books like The Long Halloween, and Year One, it was still executed poorly. Boring mediocre film with a nice surface veneer and no substance. This movie came off like another run of the mill police style procedural that should've been dumped on Netflix. The only reason people like it is because the branding. Take that Batman costume off and you wouldn't hear squat about this movie. It's the 'zoomers' who see themselves in this movie. Weak and ineffectual cry babies. It makes sense they like it.

[@NoahPaskett]

“He doesn’t have the dedication” is so stupid because Bruce is literally so dedicated to being Batman in this movie that he isn’t being Bruce Wayne. He IS the cowl at this point and he learns to grow out of that by the end.

[@steelbear2063]

That's literally every Batman ever though

[@NoahPaskett]

@ Yeah it’s almost like that makes this Batman valid. Also other Batmen have at least used their philanthropy to an extent and had a playboy persona, but this Bruce is so dedicated to the cowl he doesn’t even have time for that. This version is so in deep to his mission that it’s consuming him. We might’ve seen that a few times in comics, but never in film.

[@shatteredakuma]

@@steelbear2063 it's a less viewed angle on the character, and not viewed in live action adaptations to this point

[@jamesoblivion]

Yeah, this Batman is basically on a death trip when the movie starts. He doesn't care if he dies, he wants to be in the suit all the time, never wants to be seen in public as Bruce Wayne, only goes in public as Bruce Wayne to do daytime Batman stuff, and is stuck in this cycle of repetitive nightly combat that isn't having the larger effect he'd hoped for. He's becoming disillusioned. And it's ultimately the fact that the larger effect he *does* inspire is a terroristic campaign of political assassinations, that causes him to realize that he has to inspire trust and hope in the good people of Gotham, as much as he inspires fear in criminals. That fear and vengeance alone cannot win his war against the criminal element. It's a great arc for a damaged vigilante taking the first steps toward being a real hero. And bad takes on the movie tend to miss it completely. Even though it's pretty much the entire point.

[@madelineboyd9683]

alfred literally chastises bruce for being so obsessed that he’s not eating or sleeping in the movie. bruce is like an obsessed freak in it alfred has to pressure him to SHOWER

[@MrSeanw263]

That guy's is a perfect example of how media literacy is terrible.

[@SpikeJet2736]

Pretty sure you said that wrong. Media literacy isn't the problem, it dying is the problem

[@DanialTarki]

*Media illiteracy

[@jthen8454]

Media literacy is such a hilarious term

[@JeronimoStilton14]

@@jthen8454why?

[@glenrichardson8266]

@@JeronimoStilton14 It's hilarious but he doesn't know why.

[@Bahtmahn27]

As someone who’s myself a stickler for comic accuracy, it is incredibly clear that the guy criticizing the movie has not read very many comics if any at all

[@kmmahmud7177]

Or he doesn't care and is ragebaiting for getting views 😅

[@icetray2727]

@@kmmahmud7177 that too

[@MrInfernoNinja]

​@@kmmahmud7177 he has GOT to be ragebaiting 🤣 he got me for a minute, but it's just so many bad takes that only someone that has no idea who batman is would say.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

​@@MrInfernoNinja Y'all are naive if you think this is rage bait

[@ShadmehR_23]

And of course year one is one of them.. training and working is really different.. its like reading something in college and really doing it in real life..its too much for him to understand maybe.

[@donnerbohne7695]

it seems some people dont understand Character Development.

[@Fiveash-Art]

It seems some people don't understand what a pretentiously dull superhero movie is either. 👍🏻

[@donnerbohne7695]

@@Fiveash-Art yeah there are people that think The Dark Knight is better then The Batman....

[@Fiveash-Art]

@@donnerbohne7695 Because it is .. Although I also think that movie is extremely overrated. It's also just as messy and bloated as The Batman .. That said, it's still way more entertaining and engaging. The Dark Knight for me has always been a frustrating watch, but I do own a copy and have watched it more than a few times throughout the years. The Batman however I had to watch in two sittings and never had any urge to ever see it again, and much less interested what they're going to do with 'part 2'. I'd say Batman Begins absolutely destroys The Batman on every level even though it's obviously incorporating some of the elements that made that movie great. Anyone who thinks The Batman is better than that movie is either completely delusional or just another goofy zoomer whose opinions aren't really worth much anyway. There are some things to like about The Batman, but it still just ends up being some boring police style procedural with some dude in a goofy costume looking at greeting cards. It's trying to be gritty and grounded but just ends up being pretentious and boring. As far as 'character development' goes .. I didn't care about any of the characters by the end of The Batman and was so happy it was over. Had to watch The Road Warrior to cleanse the palate after that one. 😂

[@donnerbohne7695]

@@Fiveash-Art bro you aint worth my time

[@GovinHari]

@@Fiveash-ArtI love how just say things. But ends up not giving any reasoning. You got to have crazy levels of BRAINROT if your attention span is this bad.

[@loganr6203]

I absolutely fucking hate that people think Batman is literally ALWAYS ready for anything. This guy is acting like Batman should've completely stopped crime in Gotham before the movie even started

[@steelbear2063]

What's the point of being an outside the law vigilante with billions of dollars and every gadget and training you can think of if you can't simply dispose of some mooks? Mafia is powerful, but they are still Humans. Their bones break like all others

[@Rengokuo4o6]

This is pretty disingenuous, don't you think. Even if Batman isn't always ready for everything, which no one is saying he should, there is a baseline of discipline and forethought expected of the f***ing character.

[@loganr6203]

@Rengokuo4o6 how could he have for thought for the riddler of the Riddler had never existed yet. I like batman A LOT but the people who pretend he can beat anyone and do anything is fucking annoying as shit. You give me the same vibes as people who say Batman could beat Superman if Superman just decided to Blitz the batcave

[@Starkor990]

​@@Rengokuo4o6isn't he supposed to be less experienced in this movie tho ? Like a bit of a rookie ?

[@cjs_v.j.6350]

​@@Starkor990yes this is his SECOND YEAR he is SUPPOSED to be unexperienced

[@Kultureliten]

One problem of saying "The comics" as a blanket statement is that there is so many iterations. So that statement only means "it goes against the picture of the character that i subjectively likes the best".

[@s.k.4289]

Reeves’ Batman is straight up the most faithful to the comics… did he read it?

[@toastwriter617]

No it fucking isn’t lol

[@matthewbrooks3448]

​@@toastwriter617 The runs that were collected by Reeves and viewed as the foundation for this Batman is extremely prevalent. Either you have not read those, or you refuse to care. Either way, it's disingenuous to say that the movie is not outright comic accurate to those specific interpretations.

[@toastwriter617]

@ I have, he did a terrible job adapting them. His is the least comic accurate batman

[@matthewbrooks3448]

@@toastwriter617 Number one, I'm not sure there is a piece of media out there that claims Matt Reeves wanted to physically adapt those stories. He simply used them as inspiration. Number two, can you cite genuine examples of how he didn't use those stories to the best of his abilities? It clearly explains it in the video here if you weren't paying attention. Either way, you're more than welcome to explain your thoughts.

[@dylanmartinez3381]

@matthewbrooks3448 Thank you! Finally, a rash summary of Reeves's intentions with HIS Batman.

[@Akabalthy]

"It's not comic accurate" is one of the worst critiques ever, like let it be its own thing smh. referencing the comics is a fun nod but not doing that isn't necessarily bad

[@randomt800kiddo2]

it's funny because this movie draws most of its inspiration from batman earth one and other comics. people are just ragebaiting lmao

[@kennygibson1712]

funny part is battinson thematically is very comic accurate even though he is more "grounded" than someone like batfleck or keaton

[@steelbear2063]

When I hear "not comic accurate" it's a 50\50 between something being a total atrocity or the person being a hypocrite. Jackman's Wolverine is like 10% accurate, yet people love him. Eh, same old, liking comes first, then people will come up with the why. Same with disliking

[@tadeocaputo2036]

​​​@@steelbear2063I mean do not generalice so much I love patterson batman and jackmans wolvering but I think its a problem that they are not cómic accurate and just for that they will be worst that other more accurate versions and its a problem whit their versions. Thats why my favorite wolvering is the one in deadpool, they really got a lot(but still whit some flaws) of wolvering. Also I still prefer patterson over afflect, afflect is not accurate at all in the morals of the character and thats much more important than the fantastical elements. Sorry for bad english

[@randomt800kiddo2]

@@steelbear2063 jackman has pretty much everything but the height, dunno where you got 10% from lmao

[@MoviesandGameslover]

As a teacher in the school I used to go to once said. An adaptation shouldn't be one-to-one with its source material, it should be honorable to it. The problem with fans like this is that they want everything surface-level of Batman to be adapted, not what makes him compelling. As a Batman fan, I love that he's a flawed detective, a flawed hero, and a flawed human being. I connect more to Bruce that way. The film would've been boring if he was already perfect at everything from the get-go.

[@sarmadhabibkhan3036]

May I just remind everyone that this version of Batman: 1. Beat the brakes off of his adversaries in hand to hand combat 2. Survived a mid-air collision with the lower end of a bridge 3. Walked straight through gunfire like it was nothing 4. Took a point blank shotgun blast to the chest and just goy back up 5. Survived a bomb to the face The only times he was amateurish was when The Riddler outsmarted him & when he momentarily got jumped by all the goons in the beginning of the film (who he eventually beat). This was one of the strongest Batman depictions ever put to film and this jackass is still calling him weak.

[@zurban4313]

I love how basically every critique can be countered by either “but it’s a different version of the character” or “but that’s what he becomes at the end”

[@John1045]

Like 30% of them.. Batman has yet to get a good and faithful live action movie.

[@Alpha1918]

@@John1045 when you disregard The Batman at least

[@John1045]

@ Nah, they all miss the mark by a wide margin in my opinion. It's never Batman (besides Mask of the Phantasm or some of the DCAU movies) it's some director's "vision" of Batman. Which 100% of the times means lame toned down live action for the 9-5 masses.

[@Alpha1918]

@@John1045 it sounds like you just don’t like other people enjoying your character

[@John1045]

@ OMG, WHAT A STOCK RESPONSE. Try, please!

[@dawudabdulali3827]

I swear a lotta of the hate the batnan movie gets is so ridiculous, especially with people complaining about jim and catwoman being black, WHO CARES, it doesn't matter, what matters is the acting and writing, I swear people try to find ANYTHING to complain about. And they just ignore all the story telling to try and proove their ridiculous point.

[@callmejacob3234]

DC fans are the biggest crybabies on planet earth. Even if something is good they complain about it. DC fans don't deserve The Batman.

[@kmmahmud7177]

​@@callmejacob3234The people you are talking about are not fan's the are annoying grifters disguised as fans to fool & annoy people for views 😅😊.

[@callmejacob3234]

@@kmmahmud7177 Griters are the worst.

[@callmejacob3234]

@HannibalKing-e7e Brother who cares Gordon and Catwoman were great in the film.

[@qennyrogers]

@HannibalKing-e7eit matters when the race of the character is integral to the character, nothing about Selina Kyle makes her have to be white same with Jim Gordon, but Black Panther has to be black he’s the king of an uncolonized african nation, Steve Rogers has to be white in no way would the US allow anything other than a white man to be the face of the country in the ‘40s whereas the title of Captain America can be any race ‘cause it’s a mantle not a person

[@mrbeastfan8079]

I laughed when he said "the art style" since this is not animated. It's live action so he should have said "the visual style"

[@CrusaderWebhead3962]

Or just cinematography

[@DethJeff365]

It would still be art style, because it’s still art. He did say anything wrong, while on a “well actually🤓👆” standpoint he didn’t the EXACTLY CORRECT THING, nobody f**king cares

[@DethJeff365]

@@CrusaderWebhead3962 that would just straight up wrong, that’s the work of the camera and not the sets and vfx

[@CrusaderWebhead3962]

@@DethJeff365 mb gng

[@oldenough5424]

@@DethJeff365 Why're defending that moron lmao? Everyone on the planet knows that "art style" is an animation thing, so him using that term to describe a live action film pretty much gave away that he was a dumbass right from the beginning

[@RegularFlyGuy]

I always love it when people do critiques of movies without taking notes. He was angry in the first 15 minutes and stuck to that emotion for almost 3 hours. His first like 5 points were ALL answered throughout the movie. The movie LITERALLY explains it very effectively. The Riddler IS a result of the two years he spent beating up criminals. THEN Batman realizes the mistakes of his ways. Besides, we’ve seen the origins of batman extensively. I was happy to see they didnt waste 1h30 to explain a story we’ve seen and known for decades.

[@RegularFlyGuy]

Ill add that these cry babies are just very much in love with the idea of the perfect man never making any mistakes. This clouds their vision to no end.

[@davecrowson448]

@@RegularFlyGuythat’s it right there

[@TheRegibump]

"Giving Joker 1 Million Dollars won’t make him a good person." His lawyers when he’s given 250 million: "The man’s sane and a good person now! Don’t read into it, he just is a good citizen."

[@levievil9220]

Hell joker would probably pay his taxes batman he can handle but the irs nooooo because they’re more dangerous than the bat

[@TheRegibump]

@ Better hope his remaining money is real or else he’s been had.

[@nont18411]

I love the fact that no matter how much people hate the Batman, they just can’t deny that Colin Farrell is perfect as the Penguin. Just like Heath Ledger, Farrell overshines the main hero all over again.

[@CrusaderWebhead3962]

I get your point but I gotta disagree with that last part. Pattinson kills it as Batman and overshines the WHOLE movie with his character and performance. This is truly The Batman.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

Allow me to introduce Ranting for Vengeance who hated The Penguin(despite not watching it) just cuz they changed the Penguin's surname and he made an absolutely buffoonish video about it.

[@kmmahmud7177]

​@@ibrahimihsan2090wait what how come I didn't know about this?😅

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

@@kmmahmud7177 Cuz most of the people covering him cared more the video about him being racist and critical of Absolute Batman. I only got one video(and a very long one) responding to a video other than his stupid "critiques"(if we can even call them that) of Absolute Batman.

[@SpikeJet2736]

@@CrusaderWebhead3962 That's mainly cause Penguin is a minor character in the movie and only shows up for about 5 scenes, I doubt that'd be the case if he was the main villain and had just as much screen time. To put it simply when Bale or Pattinson plays Batman people say they did good job playing portraying Batman when Ledger and Farrell play The Joker and Penguin, people say they deserve an Oscar/Emmy

[@venomlayton1394]

Some dude: “Batman didn’t do anything scary or fear stricken to intimidate the penguin” Batman drives right next to the penguin while his window is being shot at, drives through an explosion and causes the penguin to crash his car, beats up a goon and breaks said goon’s arm in the fight, “pulls” his punch on Jim Gordon in order to escape from the police. I can go on and on

[@godspeedforce9371]

Robert Pattison is the most accurate Batman because unlike every single other Batman, except animated batman. Pattison's Batman hasnt killed anyone

[@Furretarepikmin]

Technically arkham batman hasn't killed anyone (joker killed himself and batman had no part in it)

[@kamikazelemming1552]

@Furretarepikmin Didn't Arkham Batman kill Clayface?

[@Furretarepikmin]

@@kamikazelemming1552 Clayface can't die he's like plastic man you can't kill him so he's still alive somewhere.

[@scottmanatee]

Nah I think it was said in an interview that gcpd collected the leftover pieces of clay face after the battle and that he can’t take form cause he fell into the Lazarus pit

[@callmejacob3234]

@@kamikazelemming1552 It's impossible to kill Clayface.

[@synonym1196]

I feel like nobody else ever points this out, but Bruce's attitude towards Alfred feels heavily influenced by what he's been through that night. He witnesses a young boy who lost his father, is ruminating about how his work doesn't seem to be having an effect on the city, sees a report mentioning that the anniversary of his parents' death is coming up that week, and THEN Alfred comes in acting frustrated and trying to push him into doing Bruce Wayne stuff. Of COURSE Bruce is annoyed. I doubt he would have said "you're not my father" to Alfred on any other night, he's just in a very emotionally vulnerable state. Also, their final scene together has him apologizing to Alfred about his behavior and more or less outright saying "I love you" to him and they *hold each other's hands!*

[@nont18411]

Unpopular opinion: I prefer Robert Pattinson’s Batman over Christian Bale’s Batman. Bale’s Batman spent way too much time getting overshadowed by the villains, has a terrible fighting skills and didn’t do any detective work. And that wasn’t even his fault. It’s Nolan’s fault for not giving him a proper characterization. The Dark Knight is a Joker movie. The Dark Knight Rises is a Bane movie, until it isn’t. The Batman is truly a Batman movie.

[@ivanaguilar3394]

ohhh how does roberts knob taste like my good sir?

[@randomt800kiddo2]

this isn't really a hot take lmao

[@Silas_Kow]

I agree but I often switch positions on this topic

[@CrusaderWebhead3962]

I disagree with your take on the Nolan trilogy especially because Batman Begins is legitimately a 10/10 imo, but I agree Robert is better than Bale and this movie is the best Batman movie bar none

[@steelbear2063]

Bale's is barely Batman at all

[@maddoxio]

"The film doesn't show Batman using fear." The robber at the beginning literally turns around and runs at the mere THOUGHT of him being in the dark. Even with the mask, you can see that thug practically shit himself.

[@GokuBlackRose978]

Theres valid criticism then there’s stupid bs like this, Robert’s Batman is not perfect but definitely not the worst

[@themysteryman7153]

like bro forgot George's Clooney and the Arkham Batman exists. ESPECIALLY the Arkham Batman.

[@kmmahmud7177]

​@@themysteryman7153fr😂

[@turbkeysamdwich1880]

Not the worst is a huge understatement. He’s probably the best movie adaptation. West is great for all the wrong reasons, Keaton is pretty good, but not fantastic, Kilmer, same thing, Clooney, is less than great to say the least, bale is good, but the voice takes him down a few pegs, and his cowl in tdk and tdkr is not great, affleck is a cold blooded killer, and Pattinson is just all around good. That doesn’t mean you have to like him, but there’s no glaring flaws in his design or character. (Also sorry for the essay)

[@GokuBlackRose978]

@@turbkeysamdwich1880 I agree, honestly my least favorite has to be afleck, idea was interesting but very poorly executed

[@themysteryman7153]

@@kmmahmud7177 i was joking abt the Arkham Batman part. you think he’s bad?

[@Zombieworm98]

In a world where 90% of live action Batmen are killers a "Still figuring things out but has his morals right" is a MASSIVE upgrade.

[@JeronimoStilton14]

Where are 90% killers?

[@huell938]

​@@JeronimoStilton14Keaton, Kilmer, dk about clooney but who does, bale and affleck's batmans have all either directly or indirectly killed someone in their movies

[@25_jean_dark_52]

@@JeronimoStilton14Ben Affleck’s Batman in Zack Snyder’s Justice League trilogy, Micheal Keaton’s Batman in the Tim Burton duo-logy, Christian Bale’s Batman in The Dark Knight trilogy, though to a lesser extent. If you’ve seen those movies you’d know, they do a good bit of killing.

[@JeronimoStilton14]

@ are you talking in the “oh that definitely would have killed tnem” sense? Because I can’t recall any killing in the bale series unless you count letting Rhaz die on the train. I’d have to rewatch Affleck and Keaton

[@wonkamcfrojin9753]

@@JeronimoStilton14Can’t really defend the other two though

[@SonOfLaughter07]

I'm getting tired of people criticizing this movie

[@javelin-4442]

I don't like the Batman but most of the criticisms I've heard are stupid than I am lol.

[@aymaanrashid2033]

i love this movie and while I’m fine with constructive criticisms, some people have truly stupid opinions

[@chandlerburse]

You say that like people shouldnt criticize things

[@BlueMantaOfficial]

Criticizing a movie is fine, just as long as your points for your criticism aren't stupid

[@TheKingoftheAesir]

​@chandlerburse I think he worded it wrong. I think what he meant was that the criticisms we all see aren't good or solid reasonings.

[@sogothshesblack]

I'm dyin at the way that dude like, just listed these characters being Black as something he didn't like. He ain't even give a reason he just said "BLACK PEOPLE???????? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" It's so goofy

[@bingobongo8701]

Tbf if mlk was depicted as white it'd be a problem, don't white characters matter too

[@voidgod_ghidorah]

It's not like snow white either, it doesn't mess with the lore or movie at all, literally positively impacts the movie because the actors that were hired are good

[@Vghst3218]

​@@bingobongo8701 because mlk is a real person batman and gng never existed they are fictional yall so slow💀

[@bingobongo8701]

@@Vghst3218 i just don't like dark people on traditionally white characters

[@aullikadr7933]

Im one to dislike that woke crap in the movies nowadays, shoving everything in our faces, raceswapping etc but never it bothered me how they changed the races in The Batman. It worked so well, the actors were amazing in the roles. I completely forget that they werent originally black. Matt Reeves did amazing

[@jaquanbrown413]

Where is the hate for this batman coming from I loved it cuz it touches on the thing batman should be known for being a great detective. Since this is the early stages him fumbling on the puzzle a bit shows growth and shows the viewer why batman has the whole prep time in the first place.

[@VOgaming51official]

Batman being a detective that beats people up is a lot more fun than a batman that just beats people up. This Batman is the fun one

[@MetastaticMaladies]

Exactly! This was my favorite live action Batman, I was very critical of the movie when I heard Pattinson was Batman. But I ended up loving it and he quickly became my favorite Batman, the dude killed it and the writing was great, as well as the cinematography, casting and music.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

Exactly, people seem to forget that Batman is supposed to be a detective, and not JUST a superhero.

[@furynvm]

Batman shouldn't need prep time to be a detective. It is shown in many mediums that Batman's detective prowess is pretty much on the fly at the scene which is why he's known as the worlds greatest detective.

[@JairBPena]

28:38 Ohhhhhhhhh i thought he was stupid, but he´s an Snyder fan, way worse

[@francois47achan]

Chill, as a Snyder DCEU fan myself…I can honestly say…that blond dude is a fuggin ass hat. The Batman was fire.

[@reuwlane9867]

Batman with a slice of Se7en was probably the greatest movie idea ever. Almost impossible to not enjoy this movie

[@vassilyvodka2638]

Chinatown as well

[@dawudabdulali3827]

The batman is such an awsome batman movie, the acting, the world building, the villans, the suits, the fight scenes, the tone, almost everything in this movie is spectacular, and a great adaptation of batman, not to sound like a fan boy or anything, but this movie technically doesn't really do anything bad, and the penguin show was just....... incredible, it really makes us hate oz so much, cant wait for the batman 2.

[@jakemiddleton2084]

I think by far the worst ever take I’ve heard on Pattinson being the worst Batman was saying some shit like “ what kind of Batman let’s people put hands on him” I genuinely couldn’t think of a way to respond to that outside of every Batman gets hands put him

[@eviltoad746]

They must've forgotten when Bane literally picks him up and breaks his spine

[@Rengokuo4o6]

​@eviltoad746 yeah, after tiring him out strategically.

[@davecrowson448]

If he’d read the comics at all he’d know that for a good part of his history, Batman was constantly being knocked out by people sneaking up behind him.

[@jakemiddleton2084]

That or they clearly never played any games watched any tv shows or movies in their life

[@zenyattafgc]

Venom shirt vs Spidey avatar. This discourse is as canon as The Batman movie.

[@Furretarepikmin]

If he has an issue with batman taking down street thugs when he's in his second year hes gonna go crazy when he learns arkham batman was taking down streat thugs after over 5 years.

[@JacobMichaelDavidBenson]

Im pretty sure Bruce treats Alfred "bad" because hes afraid to get too close. If something happens to Alfred it'd be like losing his parents all over. I've been guilty of that with my own family. Maybe im reading into too much. Idk

[@kmmahmud7177]

@@JacobMichaelDavidBenson Idk why but a lot of people like to make this a point to argue about 😒.

[@Adventist1997]

​@@kmmahmud7177 Probably because it makes the character seem like a terrible person.

[@zenmindgamer]

​@@Adventist1997 Shame, since it's one of the most natural reactions a person does in a state of trauma or grief.

[@Adventist1997]

@@zenmindgamer That's not good or how my mind works... So Idk about that 🤔

[@ProperlyGaming]

Thats exactly what it was, and he got the rude wake up call that he already does care about Alfred like he did his parents with his death scare in the movie and after that moment we don't get much of the both of them, but it's pretty clear he isn't as obtuse or distant towards him.

[@paradinmusic]

If disagreeing with every point this guy made wasn’t enough, him thinking Ben Affleck is the best Batman just sealed the deal on how embarrassing his critiques are.

[@Adventist1997]

Ben is literally only the least accurate in one detail. He's still the best in live action.

[@oldenough5424]

@@Adventist1997 except for how much of a dumbass he is

[@John1045]

​@@Adventist1997He's fyat af

[@kouroshnahid4299]

In defense of an early career Batman being angry: Yes, Bruce trains and studies with many gurus to master his mind and body. But he never had to APPLY what he learned in his travels to his crume fighting. So naturaly, even with all that knowledge, he could possibly still fall victim to his emotions and make mistakes when he's starting out as Batman. He's processing what he's learned around the world, and refining it every night to become the experienced and zen Batman that we know and love.

[@davecrowson448]

That’s the way they’ve shown him in the comics, many times.

[@Seraphinamagi]

I’m not even sure he did this in the movie it’s highly implied Alfred exclusively trained him

[@seekay8079]

As much as I love Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne doesn't really have a character arc after the first act. The rest of the movie is him trying to stop all crime, and he doesn't develop much as a character. The Batman is incredible because it lets you see Batman grow throughout the movie as he learns what symbol he needs to be for Gotham, which is hilarious considering people are now complaining that superhero movies have character development.

[@PrimmsHoodCinema]

Eartha Kitt and Halle Berry played Catwoman at some point lol. But sure let him think it's _woke Hollywood_

[@Fighttilltheend0136]

Yupp

[@John1045]

And how good were those?

[@gyro8111]

@@John1045not the point lol there because the cat woman in the Batman is good

[@yokosbigman]

You sir are an all state!

[@John1045]

@@gyro8111 How good were those? Also I think the movie is bad. That's my opinion.

[@Andrew-sy6on]

Batman’s whole arc in the film is to go from vengeance to the Batman. The movie ends with a literal flood washing away the sins of the past. While still Vengeance; he performs a noble sacrifice by cutting a wire and falling to his potential death, only to be figuratively baptized in the water and reborn as the Batman. The movie ends with him leading the scared citizens of Gotham into the light. He’s holding a flare; he’s become a beacon. The symbolism is thick and incredibly obvious.

[@Arkhambattles]

About the flood, someone said like this: "Who even build city wall like that?"

[@John1045]

That is so shallow. Only way to make it less subtle would be a screaming monolgue for the audience.

[@popejpv]

Dudes review sounds like one of those tourists who claim to be a real fan but only has seen the absolute latest run of Batman and the major dc live action movies

[@AmateurAnimations65]

"i don't want a hero that has somewhere to go, I want a hero who's already there" So he's saying it would be better if Batman was just a static character that's already perfect? That sounds boring

[@citizenvulpes4562]

He wants to see the worse kind of Batman stories to be adapted.

[@Nikorasu1048]

I honestly can't believe that he actually said that Ben Affleck is better when he should consider him to be worse

[@poisontoga]

My ranking goes : 1. Battinson 2. Bale 3. Kilmer 4. Keaton 5. Clooney And 6. Affleck

[@jamesoblivion]

Batman's had so many distinct iterations in the comics, the "it's not accurate" criticisms have become increasingly hollow. It's not even universal to every Batman continuity that he traveled the world, learning countless forms of martial arts, before becoming Batman. Just that he trained. In The Batman, it's clear that Alfred taught Bruce to fight, utilizing his background as an agent for British intelligence. Was there more to his training? Probably. Does it matter? Not really. This idea that Batman has to be this perfect ideal, just means this guy hates character arcs. Virtually everything he complains about is *literally the point of the movie.*

[@vlutoguy]

“Ben Affleck is better” made my jaw drop

[@Leftistmushroom]

2:16 That's like the most boring part of batman's backstory it also doesn't fit the vibe they're going with for him in The batman like think about how goofy a training montage would have been

[@lehgendo]

it was great in dark knight trilogy

[@Leftistmushroom]

@lehgendo Great is a stretch imo but it's the best outcome of including it

[@thanos1725]

one thing that pisses me off about some superhero fans is that they think comics are some holy water of stories that are flawless. just because something's comic accurate, doesn't mean it's good, or just because it isn't doesn't mean it's bad. In fact, I think it's better to have different and unique stories from each other than repeat the exact same thing over and over. With this guy specifically, I don't get why he wants batman to be perfect from the start of the movie, isn't great character development a crucial part of a great story? amazing video as always and I hope you do a response to madvocate's shang chi video, seems like an interesting one. I like madvocate and his videos so I'm always curious what others have to say about him/his criticisms

[@PK_Miracle]

"I-I want my Batman to be cool and strong and experienced smart!!" "Character flaws? Who needs that?! We need perfection!"

[@Red_Spidey]

Like think about it ,He is the only Batman who can speak in complete sentences rather than just one liner without sounding like he has a sore throat or utilizing AI to simulate his voice. This Batman can actually talk normally.

[@oliverthedum2129]

That’s actually a very good observation. The Christian bale movies are kind of hard to get through without physically cringing at his voice. He sounds like nails on a goddamn chalkboard 😭

[@John1045]

What do you mean he's the only one? It is literally the opposite. Only and only Bale used that goofy raspy voice. If you don't know then don't talk.

[@oliverthedum2129]

@@John1045 that’s fair. I actually quite liked Keaton’s voice and affleck’s voice, but his is not really put to good use as he has some extremely bad edgy lines

[@PlantPirahna]

I don’t trust people who say Batfleck is a good Batman

[@steelbear2063]

I agree, good doesn't do the Batfleck justice, he's great

[@bloodstone1992]

@@steelbear2063 He's not. he's a good actor wasted on a terrible script from a director who wanted to see Batman raped in a prison shower......

[@Fiveash-Art]

The warehouse scene alone was a better reason to watch the bloated mess that was BvS than anything in that Boring a** movie The Batman. Sorry .. Ben Affleck wasn't the problem with that movie. I don't necessarily think Patinson was the problem with The Batman either. It was the movie that was the problem.

[@PlantPirahna]

@ one action scene doesn’t make a movie better than the masterpiece that is The Batman I’m sorry

[@chandlerburse]

@@PlantPirahna i dont trust anyone who says any one besides Conroy is the best Batman

[@alexanderherd2973]

The fear point tho, like what are criminals actually scared of? Having the snot beaten out of them by this olympian level fighter that they cant see coming and cant stop.

[@AvidCS]

They’re scared of the Batman coming for them. A lot, plenty, of early Batmen are much more brutal. Hell, it’s not until Grayson in many, many, many continuities even mainline ones where Batman starts to chill.

[@char1363]

And hell usually the Robins start beating the snot out of bad guys ​@@AvidCS

[@averagesizedjoe]

He just hates it because Pattinson was in twilight 20 yrs ago like most ppl in this comment section.

[@qirenlu8]

If he actually read the comic, he would know The Batman have huge reference from Batman Earth One, which, Bruce DIDN'T travel the world , and it was Alford taught him his skill. Also, Batman Earth One feature one of the weakest Batman in the opening, if you know what I'm saying

[@ThatBadGamer1]

Robert Pattinson is one of if not the best live-action Batman we've seen.

[@TheKingoftheAesir]

Saw someone say Pattinson is a bad batman because it took him an entire movie to learn to be a symbol of hope instead of just learning it extremely early into the movie, which made it boring to watch.

[@ryanlandes6849]

This was the dumbest hot take I’ve ever seen on the movie.. There is no way this guy has ever read any of the comics.. Imagine how boring a perfect Batman that is a machine with no anger and no mistakes would be anyway..

[@arpadszabo661]

Its amazing that this person most likely knows every comic, movie, game, etc that has Batman in it, and still manages to not understand anything about them. At this point he should just say “i don’t like Robert Pattinson because he was in twilight” and that would make more sense than this nonsensical bashing

[@jordansnow1084]

I don't like Robert Pattinson, there I said it. You were right it wasn't the movie, I feel so much better getting that off my chest.🤤

[@sauzefilms]

he is probably the same dude who complains about Mary Sues in comic books, but expects Year One Bats to be strong af with no flaws and weaknesses and does not need character development. bro literally wants a male Mary Sue (Marty Stu apparently)

[@EnterZelda2007]

Ah yes not even a minute in and we get casual racism

[@steelbear2063]

Fuck casual racism, we're going ranked

[@mgs2014]

Criticism not racism bro

[@AngelloGomez-nh6cc]

@mgs2014 that's racism

[@mgs2014]

@AngelloGomez-nh6cc chicken 🤣🤣

[@CasualLog]

​@mgs2014 are you allergic to any thought process at all

[@unusuallydorky1364]

This is the snyder effect. You have to be told everything. These are people who don't actually understand deeper messages. They don't understand the actual character. When they refer to comic accuracy they only speak of comics that reinforce the snyder verse version of batman. These people are just stupid.

[@BatmanFanNumberOne]

0:39 i think bro is just racist zoe was gorgeous as catwoman ngl

[@kmmahmud7177]

@@BatmanFanNumberOne fr she is the only person who embodys catwomans look's and personality after the one in the og movie.😊

[@oliverthedum2129]

I really hate how so many people hate catwoman’s casting in this movie. Easily the best live action adaptation of her ever and it’s not even close

[@BatmanFanNumberOne]

@@oliverthedum2129 EXACTLY it was a great casting. I don't think her race is relevant to her character at any point. Catwoman has been depicted black in many comics in past movies, shows, and even comics.

[@BatmanFanNumberOne]

@@kmmahmud7177 ❤

[@scaryscarecrow5478]

They race swapped Catwoman 💀

[@trivsaucee6019]

Having such a disgraceful Batman review while wearing a Venom t-shirt is so hilarious to me

[@erdngtn9942]

I like your take on his character arc. It’s very subtle, how when he saves that guy at beginning begging to not hurt him vs the end. Well spotted.

[@user-di1po5bn5k]

Batfleck using a gun has traumatised me and I think that people dont talk about this enough

[@jaymac8421]

Whoever said that The Batman is the worst one never saw Batman and Robin, that was dogshit.

[@Xwii610]

Anyone who says this movie isn't the most comic accurate portrayal of batman, outs themselves as not reading comics.

[@Gocha0203]

I feel like saying bruce has never been dismissive or rude to Alfred is even funnier because almost everyone irl gets in fights or dismiss or lash out to their parents, like its almost a rite of passage lolol To say that a traumatized person like bruce is incapable of emotional outbursts is so funny to me

[@Arkhambattles]

FYI: That guy who criticized the movie, seems like he has never seen The Lego Batman Movie (2017), as the Catwoman and Commissioner Gordon also have the same colour as in this movie

[@kmmahmud7177]

And the original year one comic or animated movie.

[@CarlM]

​@@kmmahmud7177 Gordon is not black in year one lmao. Selina is kinda racially ambiguous though

[@kmmahmud7177]

@@CarlM I didn't say he was also isn't Selina Kyle mixed race in the movie also🤔

[@John1045]

Yeh, because no one cares if like 5 adaptations out of 100 are somewhat different.

[@BoostBlix]

in batman year one, there is a panel where he questions if his years training were enough and if he’s even ready yet… so how is that not comic accurate

[@pinealdreams1064]

I was laughing from the little black rant early on. I'm one of those people who does find obviously shoe-horned in, neo-liberalistic 'diversity' to be very obnoxious, most of the time. But Catwoman? Somebody from an impoverished neighbourhood forced into crime to get by? Surely even to someone who's racist - for the stereotype - it makes sense she'd be black, right? Some criticisms make sense. Like when Jodi Whitaker's Doctor ruined her just being a female Doctor by saying she got 'upgraded'. Some criticisms, like his, do just seem to translate as 'get these black people off my screen'

[@thenowwhatshow4142]

0:29 this guy is the worst

[@Erenthefreedomfighter]

Agreed. I don’t usually care about race swapping as long as the actor plays the character right. And the actors in The Batman did just that.

[@bingobongo8701]

People like you are annoying, judgmental

[@thenowwhatshow4142]

@@bingobongo8701 yea skin walkers don’t seem to like me much

[@bingobongo8701]

@@thenowwhatshow4142 skin walker?

[@unusuallydorky1364]

Someone please make this guy release a video of his version of The Batman and see how bad it is. Again snyder fans they arnt fans of batman they are fans of batfleck

[@aaronwilliamson9123]

Watching Batman Arkham combat is the superior subway surfers

[@GodaBoham]

Battinson just tanking bullets while walking towards the goon is a lot more intimidating than dodging

[@KaoticKwan]

My only rebuttal to people who complain about “comic accuracy” is that these comic book movies and shows are adaptations of the comics. They are not mean to be 1 to 1 with them. Hell even different comic runs in different eras/universes handle Batman in slightly different ways. Yes this Batman isn’t as honed in as comic Batman, but he did train. In the prequel novel he travels to several countries while attending differing schools and in those countries he trains in their specific martial arts. (I think that’s what happens it’s been a while since I’ve watched a review on it). Alfred also trained him a bit as well. And to say he’s “untrained” is CRAZY. NO ONE in The Batman bests him in combat the only time he gets knocked down for a while is because he took a damn 12 gauge to the chest.

[@colbytreen7004]

i’ll say it again, the “comic accuracy” crowd BETTER NOT say they like the guardians of the galaxy, literally the least comic accurate comic book movie ever made.

[@DanialTarki]

George Clooney’s is worse. IMO Cedric/Edward Batman is decent.

[@tirefish]

Somedays you just can't get rid of a bomb

[@RampidWarthogStudios]

He's advocating for a more boring story. This kind of Batman only works in the Arkham series

[@alphi-arc]

are they forgetting this is a detective story? lol

[@echothealien9740]

If you ever cite “from the comics” during an argument with me I’m gonna walk out. “The comics” have so many different continuities that if you want to site them as sources then you’d have to count every single comic as a source.

[@NickNoll-b4o]

Batman brushes Alfred and his team off in the Lego Batman movie too so I guess this guy hated that movie as well.

[@mrbeastfan8079]

Hot take: (I heard someone else point this out and I agreed) Val Kilmer is the worst Batman because George Clooney is good in the scenes with Alfred. (Also Batman & Robin is a guilty pleasure of mine)

[@freddieadams8435]

@@mrbeastfan8079 no the worst one is clearly the one in the god awful live action Titans.

[@danfawks7164]

It's like his vision of batman is that the nolan batman is the only one valid, there're many batman versions wich didn't travel the world jsjsjs

[@RegulatorBlu]

Folks who hardcore bash on Matt Reeves The Batman are just gatekeeping bc they think Chris Nolan’s the Dark Knight trilogy is peak, it’s not.

[@Adventist1997]

That's not why I dislike it at all...

[@RegulatorBlu]

@ Then please good buddy voice your opinions.

[@Adventist1997]

@@RegulatorBlu Well first of all, I don't like the dark Knight Batman. I liked the Joker from it, but that's pretty much the only character I liked the changes to. He seemed more like an actual person that you could see existing. This new Batman just seems like a cosplay. Not a guy that grew up against the world and wanting to make a change in his town. Just a guy that didn't know what he was doing, but he wanted to dress like a bat.

[@Adventist1997]

@@RegulatorBlu If I was Bruce Wayne, I would have realized I needed a ton of training at least a month in. But this new Batman had 2 years of being Batman but still seemed like some basic dude.

[@hibbity_hooblah]

Im a huge fan of Batman movies/ video games. I dont know his comic book lore at all and going into Robert Pattinsons batman i was very unsure about him in the role.. its not a perfect movie but i highly enjoyed it

[@What_if13-d4z]

This isn’t a trash Batman movie. Sure it isn’t perfect but I like it. The batman suit is amazing! The only bad thing about this movie is batman doesn’t know how to glide.

[@seanfall]

The guy your responding too is the reason so much of modern Batman becomes the insufferable Batgod.

[@PeeWeeHermitGames]

My only problem with the entire film is they never address why Bruce chose a bat costume and theme and why/when he officially adopted the Batman title

[@AnvilPictures]

Probably not so different from any other Batman’s reasoning for the bat being chosen. It’s something that always has to be explained because we can make the assumption.

[@PeeWeeHermitGames]

@ I understand, I mean the film doesn’t put any work into it at all which is bizarre.

[@chandlerburse]

@@PeeWeeHermitGames because this wasnt an origin story

[@chandlerburse]

@@PeeWeeHermitGames keatons put zero work in it either

[@Justforamoment0608]

It’s not gonna be the barbatos stuff that’s for sure

[@americannightmare76]

Batman Origins is so criminally underrated - yes, the game lacked a lot of the polish of the RockSteady games, but it's got such a good story and the ideas for a lot of the gameplay were pretty cool, even if they weren't executed well enough.

[@danielmcgrath680]

Batman is white, Alfred is white, Riddler is white, Joker is white, Penguin is white, Falcone is white. But Jim Gordon (arguably his best live action interpretation) is black. And Catwoman (arguably the best live action interpretation) is black. We got 8 characters in the movie and 2 arent white and apparently its a problem

[@bingobongo8701]

Your kind has characters and my kind has ours, leave our characters alone

[@danielmcgrath680]

​@@bingobongo8701 that comment was so dumb on about 8 different levels idk if i can even reply Edit: I can 1. Im literally white 😭 2. Catwoman has never been strictly white. Eartha Kitt played her in the 60's, Halle Berry played her in her own damn movie LOL 3. "Your (poc) kind has characters" Literally no they dont, why do you think Miles Morales exists? LOL 4. Youre mad at two characters race in a 80% white played film, one of which has been portrayed as a poc as early as the 60's, and the other was the best take on the character ever on the big screen. Youre just racist. Stupid too lol

[@bingobongo8701]

@danielmcgrath680 trump won

[@danielmcgrath680]

​@@bingobongo8701 that comment was so dumb on about 8 different levels idk if i can even reply Edit: I can 1. Im literally white 2. Catwoman has never been strictly white. Eartha Kitt played her in the 60's, Halle Berry played her in her own damn movie LOL 3. "Your (poc) kind has characters" Literally no they dont, why do you think Miles Morales exists? LOL 4. Youre mad at two characters race in a 80% white played film, one of which has been portrayed as a poc as early as the 60's, and the other was the best take on the character ever on the big screen. Youre just racist.

[@danielmcgrath680]

@@bingobongo8701 That comment was so dumb on about 8 different levels idk if i can even reply Edit: I can 1. Im literally white 2. Catwoman has never been strictly white. Eartha Kitt played her in the 60's, Halle Berry played her in her own damn movie LOL 3. "Your (poc) kind has characters" Literally no they dont, why do you think Miles Morales exists? LOL 4. Youre mad at two characters race in a 80% white played film, one of which has been portrayed as a poc as early as the 60's, and the other was the best take on the character ever on the big screen.

[@stephenbriggs9153]

It’s so weird that guys will make whole videos criticizing a movie, when the only real problem is that they didn’t understand the movie at all. Almost everything he said was wrong. He literally just didn’t understand the whole point of Batman’s arc 😂

[@hands_0n543]

Im like 10 minutes in and Im baffled as to why you havent noted that a lot of these “problems” are literally the point of the movie, he learns from them here

[@BatAmerica]

Thank you. I was thinking the same thing.

[@cedbanani]

2:47-3:10 Uh, he kind of does say that.

[@breguera77]

If Iron man had come out this year, people would so absolutely livid that Nick Fury was played by Sam Jackson

[@vonnstevens2502]

0:05 Apparently pattinson’s batman is worse than clooney’s🤣

[@The-Nexus-of-Creation]

Of course Batman fight run of the mill criminals Like the random guy who killed his parents!!

[@qrzt2000]

those quotation marks saved me from self destructing

[@bicboyjoy]

"this batman sucks because he's not exactly the same as a batman i remember from a 20 year old comic run"

[@TPG25153]

I generally think this is one of the best Batman movies ever and that's cuz it's a different version of the character that were sick I'm personally getting sick and tired I've seen the same version of And also I think Robert Pattinson does a very good job F*** comic book accurate give me a good story with great characters I'll watch it

[@scaryscarecrow5478]

@@TPG25153 its Really not lol

[@spookytreadxiii]

25 to 27 minutes in again this guy clearly hasn't seen a comic book, graphic novel, play the games and I guess hasn't seen 'The Batman Begins' (Where the scarecrow succeeds in his plan, 1 to 3 times). Maybe Batman isn't for him, he should go back to Light Hearted Marvel.

[@OfficerKD6-37]

This guy was expecting bruce to have already a plan to kill the justice league within two years of becoming batman