DECAP Talks Making Drums That Knock, Not Relying on Getting Placements to Get Rich + More

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@decapmusic
@decapmusic 5 жыл бұрын
🔥 interview guys, thanks for having me on the show!
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
DECAP 💪💪✊✊ yessir my guy
@prodbydramatic
@prodbydramatic 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks once again.
@reezytunezchannel3844
@reezytunezchannel3844 5 жыл бұрын
Decap the man!!!
@justunlimited87
@justunlimited87 5 жыл бұрын
yoo dat free copy of Ccol Edit Pro was sooo clutch long before mans even knew what Fruity loops was
@blvckdaniels6742
@blvckdaniels6742 5 жыл бұрын
DECAP fellow scorpio Producer 🦂 Speaking things into existence🙌. Great Podcast, I'm more inspired and my lady says your great. Good job keep it up and never stop, same to you Dylan and the ProducerGrind crew. Everything is fire 🔥🔥
@LongLiveKikin
@LongLiveKikin 5 жыл бұрын
I started making beats 9 months ago started this acct quit my job, and yes i am broke af but i am no longer poor. my mentality has evolved, and showed me the potential that the mind has, and its only the start... ive only made $1200 so far, i lost a girlfriend, my car, but im the happiest i ever been, and my numbers keep rising.. its possible, and im way ahead in this than i would have been if i stayed at my job fucking around, and treating music like a side hoe.. Treat music with loyalty, and music will treat you like royalty! These interviews are Gold.. if you havent read think, and grow rich i advice you read it, and you will see ProducerGrind is our Napoleon Hill! Much love dont quit your time is coming if you put in the time!!!! Be yourself, and tell your truths..
@nickvandenberg4244
@nickvandenberg4244 5 жыл бұрын
stay grinding homie.
@Shomiibeats
@Shomiibeats 5 жыл бұрын
Long Live Kikin 🔥🔝
@maverickbeats2226
@maverickbeats2226 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but how are you paying rent? Where are you living?
@LongLiveKikin
@LongLiveKikin 5 жыл бұрын
@@maverickbeats2226 i moved back in with my dad and gave up the life i had but its worth the risk. why pay rent, and stay in a 9-5 career for 40 years when i can lock in for 4 yrs take the L of living with my dad, and repay him back with a better lifestyle i build for us.
@yungstoic
@yungstoic 5 жыл бұрын
@@LongLiveKikin I see you posting consistently on IG, keep it up bro, much respect for taking the step
@Spooki_
@Spooki_ 5 жыл бұрын
Had a Music Law class with this dude in SF a few years back. Super cool guy, very friendly and always very interested in the topics we were speaking about. Crazy that at the time he was just starting to organize the first of his drum kits, and now Drums That Knock is a production standard. Keep killin em man all love.
@dyecta4147
@dyecta4147 5 жыл бұрын
These podcasts are getting better and better. 💯
@dukeneukem4747
@dukeneukem4747 5 жыл бұрын
Dyecta after the t2 interview i knew Producergrind is something pensado’s place just can’t bring. Ijs
@u.n.k.3022
@u.n.k.3022 5 жыл бұрын
no doubt $$$$
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
appreciate that!
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
@@dukeneukem4747 Thats love! Salute to Pensado's Place tho they helped pave the way for Producer interview platforms 🙏
@crimewavbeats5532
@crimewavbeats5532 5 жыл бұрын
They really are , the host are becoming more comfortable with guest too
@mlyss22
@mlyss22 5 жыл бұрын
Decap has hella dope vibes!!! the message i got from this one is take control of your own life, own career and own opportunities because you can never lose as long as you keep grindin!!! thanks once again producergrind podcast for all the gems!! you guys are gonna go far af
@colemanswagg938
@colemanswagg938 5 жыл бұрын
Producers please don't quit school or your job remember music is a hobby until you make it as a career don't get caught up with the hype make sure your priorities are good make sure you have money in your pocket love music for the art don't be in rush take your don't let other people opinions destroy you to make the wrong decisions stay humble stay positive don't worry about the money it's going to come when you make it learn the business before you get in the read your contracts have a lawyer be a business person be original don't be somebody you not be yourself love yourself peace.
@JHBeatz1
@JHBeatz1 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with what you said but If you feel that you can quit then do it , just do it but do it in the right way like he said above
@PopBeatzmusic
@PopBeatzmusic 5 жыл бұрын
TyshawnTv good post!
@Rojozproduction
@Rojozproduction 5 жыл бұрын
Facts homie!
@LongLiveKikin
@LongLiveKikin 5 жыл бұрын
nah it dont work that way.. its just like becoming a doctor bro. you need to be focused, and 100% in it to win it.. You dont want to create a paycheck you want to create a brand, and have money work for you.. if you aint into what youre doing at school or at your job you wasting your valuable time.. You want to be a pro, or a hobbyist??? That mentality of until its a career is always going to keep you as a hobbyist... you need to already know you want to be a professional producer or whatever it is you want to be.
@Rojozproduction
@Rojozproduction 5 жыл бұрын
@@LongLiveKikin some of us still gotta provide and eat homie
@nosafesurface
@nosafesurface 5 жыл бұрын
Decap has some of the most dope kits, cant wait to watch. Producergrind is coming strong for the 2020!!!
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Loops and Bars ✊✊
@prodbygenesis.5990
@prodbygenesis.5990 5 жыл бұрын
Really like how he asks the interviewers questions to make it more of an engaging convo instead of an interview 👍🏿
@flylima
@flylima 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@overflowbeats6965
@overflowbeats6965 5 жыл бұрын
Please get more producers of this caliber on
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
OverFlow Beats got u 💯💯
@nicholasmarch3286
@nicholasmarch3286 5 жыл бұрын
OverFlow Beats for real! This dude is on another level. He really has it figured out.
@Franqi_P
@Franqi_P 4 жыл бұрын
@@Producergrind Interview Nicholas Craven. That'll be dope !
@prophet1341
@prophet1341 4 жыл бұрын
DECAP is the goat
@zakeewest3939
@zakeewest3939 3 жыл бұрын
@@Producergrind t t 6
@MikeHypeTv
@MikeHypeTv 5 жыл бұрын
Had to watch this I got too many of his kits 😂😂 dope vid
@prodbydramatic
@prodbydramatic 5 жыл бұрын
Shout to Producergrind2.0 and Decap!!! A lot of real situation that everyone won't admit or talk about are covered and great advise. Definitely felt like I was there, prime example of what you guys said about the book. and if you haven't seen Cymatics Podcast with Decap you should. Due to most people talk about the same thing but both of these platforms are very different in styles of journalism. SO KEEP IT STRONG. NO CAP
@qingrichy
@qingrichy 3 жыл бұрын
I just got hip to producergrind maybe a month ago and I have been binge watching these interviews. Y'all I can't even tell you how much I appreciate you for putting this shit together and interviewing these dudes so we can catch some gems. Thank you!
@maxreaper25
@maxreaper25 5 жыл бұрын
Consistent content and being yourself is the BEST WAY. I noticed this recently
@JAYFLOPROBEATS
@JAYFLOPROBEATS 2 жыл бұрын
This interview was filled with nothing but 💎's! Appreciate you DECAP for the tips tricks and knowledge you gave in this podcast interview brotha! I would love to catch a DECAP Masterclass whether it be about networking on or offline, learning different approaches to opportunities. Which ones to take, and which ones to be weary of. Learning more about my DAW (FL, or possibly Ableton or another DAW). I resonate with DECAP in a lot of ways but to be real outside of that it would just be cool to just chop it up with him over Insta live vid or something ya know.
@maxreaper25
@maxreaper25 5 жыл бұрын
It takes time so keep grinding. He’s one of the best speakers on here so far I’ve seen.
@marcusturner142
@marcusturner142 5 жыл бұрын
This interview was excellent! It's been great watching the ProducerGrind crew grow and develop. Decap the man, Bay Area in the Building!
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Marcus Turner thanks for noticing the growth man we def have been working on our craft as far as interviewing 💯
@jjose100ify
@jjose100ify 5 жыл бұрын
Dude right next to him on fire with them perfect questions
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Jose Olvera 🙏🙏🙏
@philliparchive
@philliparchive 4 жыл бұрын
the guitar center drumkit the real gem from this podcast
@noahjose2853
@noahjose2853 3 жыл бұрын
Best Interview yet. Decap is taking care of his mental, marching on.
@lanquage_2733
@lanquage_2733 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. This is much needed! Big ups!! Timeless interview!!!
@lexp5519
@lexp5519 5 жыл бұрын
Y’all must know how much ya helping us producers out. Every episode keeps getting better and better, truly inspirational, amazing content, I wish you guys all the success in the world! your content is motivational rocket fuel for the journey.
@doforself_
@doforself_ 5 жыл бұрын
Super solid interview! That man Carrington is really coming into his own lately. Always coming with the well thought, and creative questions 🤙🏾
@beatsbythekilo
@beatsbythekilo 5 жыл бұрын
This is slowly becoming my #1 podcast.. I listen with a pen n pad ready to take notes💯💯💯 #salute all u guys!!! #Philly
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Beats By The Kilo M-I-Corleone thats fire bro. Clearly u hungry for success 💪✊
@beatsbythekilo
@beatsbythekilo 5 жыл бұрын
@@Producergrind to be honest ever since that charlie rocket video that gave me that hunger back 💯💯💯 i appreciate what u guys do 💯💯💯
@ScantlessBeatz
@ScantlessBeatz 5 жыл бұрын
Decap hit all the hi points keep learning KZbin,Producer Grind & many more is my school of information.
@Big-yh8wz
@Big-yh8wz 5 жыл бұрын
His drumkits are by far the best, and now as a person i really fuck with this dude. respect
@Heytedward
@Heytedward 5 жыл бұрын
Yea. These jawns heat, Keep the gems going. P.S. Dont let my seat get cold. I'm on my way!
@KinGSwisser
@KinGSwisser 3 жыл бұрын
I have been binge watch these podcast for the past week. Thanks guys for the guest and the Producer Grind's hosts' questions and gems. I have a new perspective on my producer journey. This podcasts are a Godsend. May God bless you guys for the info. 🙏🏿
@SisterAngelique
@SisterAngelique 4 жыл бұрын
I can relate to him when he says that he’s a big “why” person. I constantly ask why, and have always wanted to know things.
@ihatemago4807
@ihatemago4807 5 жыл бұрын
wow him talking about how there is a lane for the people who just make beats for just listening is really inspiring , that's a battle ive been going through ever since i first started making music but hearing him just reassures me that it will work out one day just cant give up on it
@JuanDonBeatsZA
@JuanDonBeatsZA 5 жыл бұрын
Great interview thanx guys , you keep me head strong . Big fan from South africa , Keep doing what you do !
@TwirlTheWorld813
@TwirlTheWorld813 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro I was cooking up when you mentioned some of the plugins that fast distortion is fire !
@OwnDialect
@OwnDialect 5 жыл бұрын
bless you guys ! thanks for all you do
@CertainMan81
@CertainMan81 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the show. It's dope you guys are doing it.
@stephenallenmusic
@stephenallenmusic 5 жыл бұрын
This has to be a sign from above I never thought to just go ahead and make everything from scratch I been laying sounds and drums for years time to get to it I got a lot of work ahead of me #2020vision
@miras_edge
@miras_edge 4 жыл бұрын
Only 30 minutes into this interview but it's changing my perspective and making me realize my goals and confidence in succeeding from music.
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 4 жыл бұрын
that's amazing fam
@miras_edge
@miras_edge 4 жыл бұрын
@@Producergrind Bro wtf this video was posted 9 months ago you made my day 🙌
@VirusBeatzRLM
@VirusBeatzRLM 5 жыл бұрын
Purity 🔥🔥🔥🔥 this man a real one
@Shomiibeats
@Shomiibeats 5 жыл бұрын
Virus Beatz frrr 👀
@CJBeatzProductions
@CJBeatzProductions 5 жыл бұрын
Decap self made 💯! inspirational episode 🙏 @producergrind
@roninbeats8727
@roninbeats8727 5 жыл бұрын
This podcast keeps dropping gems, love it 💎
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Ronin Beats glad u watch bro we got way more gems to uncover 📖🧐
@soham-80-0
@soham-80-0 5 жыл бұрын
i needed this thank you
@soham-80-0
@soham-80-0 5 жыл бұрын
shooting my shot lol check us out! artist.landr.com/music/672985047860
@MoGratitude
@MoGratitude 5 жыл бұрын
@@soham-80-0 aye, so do you sell the same beats you post on spotify, or no. you upload them as is, for the beat junkies like me. Stone cold got me jumpin
@soham-80-0
@soham-80-0 5 жыл бұрын
@@MoGratitude ayyy appreciate that man thank you!! and yh we do sell em best way to get at us is through instagram ( instagram.com/comma.sounds/ ). just trying to build a catalog atm!
@-V_O-
@-V_O- Жыл бұрын
“If your watching this podcast you’re doing the right thing. Don’t beat yourself up “
@nicholasmarch3286
@nicholasmarch3286 5 жыл бұрын
Decap is the best. Super knowledgeable and well spoken. One of the best interviews you guys have done. Great questions. Way better than the cymatics podcast they did with him
@JayJean
@JayJean 5 жыл бұрын
Dope interview happy ya'll touched on less talked about aspects like sound design, and DAWs. 🔥🔥🔥 Carringtons questions and comment had me weakkkkkkkk "I'd be a Honey Smokey Barbecue Potato Chip" Lmaooo major pause. Good job guys this episode what informative and funny.
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Jay Jean lmaoooo “major pause” 💀💀🤣🤣 Will he redeem himself on the next episode? 🤔 Find out next week 👀👀
@KarinaKapri
@KarinaKapri Жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd see the day the kids were asking what cool edit is 😢 we're dinosaurs
@BEATZBYDDUDE
@BEATZBYDDUDE 3 жыл бұрын
Love the podcast listen to it everyday! But y’all really got stop goin “mmm” everytime the interviewee says something lol all three of you say “mm” at the same time 100 times throughout the videos 😂😂
@soulphonic3635
@soulphonic3635 4 жыл бұрын
Great interview, decap have some real interesting mixing gems in this one
@JoaoPedro-lq1uw
@JoaoPedro-lq1uw 4 жыл бұрын
the best one so far... DECAP is an awesome producer and dude
@producedagains808
@producedagains808 5 жыл бұрын
Damn this channel is still so under rated . Thanks for the content🙏
@JonJonRodrigues
@JonJonRodrigues 5 жыл бұрын
you guys are so dope for making these videos and spreading this knowledge, thanks a lot. very helpful !! can't wait to watch the next one!
@flywittzbeats4008
@flywittzbeats4008 4 жыл бұрын
Man when JB dropped that truth at 51:00 🔥 I love how honest that shit was and how he challenged the perspective. What a fucking G.
@Kooma
@Kooma 4 жыл бұрын
This guy definitely cracked the code 🔥
@XRXONE
@XRXONE 5 жыл бұрын
Producer Grind good ass interview. Never stop man 💪🔥👏
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Scooter1 cant stop wont stop ✊😤
@DjSegwon
@DjSegwon 5 жыл бұрын
Keep the info coming!
@jonyoungmusic
@jonyoungmusic 5 жыл бұрын
Already fucks with DECAP 2 mins in for schooling the youngsters on Cool Edit and paste/mix-paste beat making. I started producing on Sound Forge which is the same thing. A single Wave editor. You would have to take a one shot hi hat and then add silence after the one shot. The length of the silence would determine your BPM. So then you would create a 4 bar loop out of that by copying & pasting that one shot 1 after another. Next, you would mix-paste your kick, snare, cymbals, etc. into the hi hat loop to create the pattern. Then you could layer in keys, bass, and whatever else all one one single track.
@PopBeatzmusic
@PopBeatzmusic 5 жыл бұрын
Secrets out on the glue compressor! My go to!
@BurnMoneyBeats
@BurnMoneyBeats 3 жыл бұрын
Yooo the hr16 is classic, I got one now but I started on the SR16. My first sampler was the SP202 and I picked it up with the DR202 and a DX27 for keys.
@ProdByApm
@ProdByApm 4 жыл бұрын
He definitely gave away a lot of game, you guys have the best show forreal
@GoodxJ
@GoodxJ 5 жыл бұрын
DRUMS THAT KNOCK!!!! salute
@myfathersson3751
@myfathersson3751 4 жыл бұрын
Made 2 beats with his kits the last 2 days.he's dope.
@alexanderusov6889
@alexanderusov6889 2 жыл бұрын
The Man, The Myth, The Legend
@nandor.291
@nandor.291 5 жыл бұрын
nice interview!!!
@yphitz3340
@yphitz3340 5 жыл бұрын
Legend right there!!!
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
YP HITZ big facts!!
@basscubs
@basscubs 5 жыл бұрын
Even as a bassist, I use Cap's workflow in my day to day. Follow your path, meditate on it, build your brand, and execute. Easier said than done, but you just gotta do it.
@evan-the-buddha
@evan-the-buddha 5 жыл бұрын
DECAP is such a humble dude. Love that he shouted out @KBeaZy too
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Evan the Buddha broo is so humble and cool frfr
@chuckytreez
@chuckytreez 5 жыл бұрын
Gems and Jewels per usual 💎🥂thank you guys
@KtBlack-vv2fz
@KtBlack-vv2fz 4 жыл бұрын
Decap that dude for real. 💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
@lu.beats999
@lu.beats999 5 жыл бұрын
YESSSSSS YALL FINALLY GOT DECAP HERE WOOOO
@TheOpaoma
@TheOpaoma 5 жыл бұрын
Super interesting!! Thnx for your great work!
@brothalee111
@brothalee111 4 жыл бұрын
this guy gave me my go to open hat !! thank you!!
@i3vmbii
@i3vmbii 4 жыл бұрын
Philosophical af. Gems were being missed I felt. A key takeaway here is TIME. 'Cap done put in hella time of ups and downs.
@FaithMonaco
@FaithMonaco 5 жыл бұрын
sound design legend !
@djprodluigi
@djprodluigi 5 жыл бұрын
Take Action
@ProdbyGrimeyred
@ProdbyGrimeyred 5 жыл бұрын
Youngins need to listen to Decap. Great interview.
@HouseOfBurgz
@HouseOfBurgz 4 жыл бұрын
The potato chip question killed me 😂🤣
@BobAquatic
@BobAquatic 5 жыл бұрын
This was very inspiring. Thank you!
@djceejaay
@djceejaay 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. Cats don't remember Cool Edit. Times have surely changed. Great interview...👍🏾
@DirtyOnDaBeat
@DirtyOnDaBeat 5 жыл бұрын
Dope Interview🔥💯
@judepoku2192
@judepoku2192 5 жыл бұрын
my mans WOKE ty for dropping this fam
@sundecld
@sundecld 2 жыл бұрын
Great gems bro!
@Andre7414
@Andre7414 4 жыл бұрын
Man this is priceless!
@sergiosaleh
@sergiosaleh 5 жыл бұрын
Yooo, can you guys do DILIP next?
@PAKKRiLey
@PAKKRiLey 5 жыл бұрын
Cool Edit.. u went waaaay back that was the first Adobe Audition lol
@9DMBEATS
@9DMBEATS 3 жыл бұрын
Cool Edit 💪 I used to have to rap over 10 second WAV loops lol
@trusteezy
@trusteezy 5 жыл бұрын
This dude is super chill
@kidstax
@kidstax 5 жыл бұрын
the note app in your smartphone is everything
@yeager1888
@yeager1888 5 жыл бұрын
Easily one of the best episodes Decap fo you use distokid? Do you recommend it?
@VirusBeatzRLM
@VirusBeatzRLM 5 жыл бұрын
Yo that Chicken Sandwich Drumkit is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣AF too
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Virus Beatz 🙏🙏🙏
@VirusBeatzRLM
@VirusBeatzRLM 5 жыл бұрын
@@Producergrind Off Tops Fam
@jimmyhooks
@jimmyhooks 5 жыл бұрын
I learned mad shit from DECAP. Respect!!! 🔥 who needs free beats 🌊🌊🌊
@moeezmalik3666
@moeezmalik3666 5 жыл бұрын
Can tell he a real one, cool ass dude
@augszillary
@augszillary 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with DECAP with his universal laws
@fts1981
@fts1981 5 жыл бұрын
Cool edit aka Adobe audition and wavelab (both pirated of course) were my go to for sampling back then!
@spintillimdizzy2340
@spintillimdizzy2340 2 жыл бұрын
I like this guy he sounds like hes at an job interview lol
@brennandaniels2960
@brennandaniels2960 5 жыл бұрын
this guy is the dopest
@ilimusicgroup
@ilimusicgroup 5 жыл бұрын
You don't have to quit your job to produce. I started in 1994/95. I was 23 years old, recently married with a daughter and working full-time when I started. I had a little career in finance but not making a bunch of money. I managed to get a Tascam 8 track cassette recorder and set up a little studio in my living room. It took me what seemed like forever to get to that point. I was subscribed to MIX and Recording magazine and went to the music store looking at equipment I couldn't buy. But by 1996 I had a friend invest about $3k into studio equipment. I lost my job in that same year and used my temp job $ to open a small studio in Winter Park, FL. My beats were horrible but I knew how to do a recording session (probably terrible too) but I could get $15/hr. The little business did okay, but I wasn't really ready and left the state so I had to shut it down. In 1999 I returned to Florida, got another decent job and started building again. I bought computers, MPC2000XL, monitors and a Rode NT-1 mic while working my job with a family and 2 kids. When I was laid off in 2001, I got a severance for being in management that let me open another studio west of downtown Orlando. I had that studio for 5 years full-time. I had no clients in the beginning and ended up with over 150 local artists recording with me. I met Grammy nominated people, Grammy winning producers, and more. We put in a lot of work in the studio. If you want it, you can get it. Right now the investment is so much lower. I put in about $10k overall before I started and got it all back in the first year of running the studio. You can probably do it now for less than half of that. Now I am going to build a new studio again here in Rio de Janeiro. Put the work in and study the game while you are getting the money together. Read and watch the tutorials. Learn the game and when the money shows up you'll be ready to jump in with both feet. There's nothing wrong with working to get yourself in position. If I was 20 yrs old again, I would bustin butt at a job and building my studio.
@matthewmccook7779
@matthewmccook7779 3 жыл бұрын
“That man can see”😂😂😂😂😂😂
@absaloj
@absaloj 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with Bobbie Shaw producer grind is like pensados place for hip hop and dope people.
@itsstrawman
@itsstrawman 5 жыл бұрын
Decap is that guy
@PrvtePrty
@PrvtePrty 4 жыл бұрын
Great interview ! Please watch if you have time
@tunesmith3438
@tunesmith3438 5 жыл бұрын
The Bay is in the Building ! "Yee"
@Producergrind
@Producergrind 5 жыл бұрын
Tunesmith yessir shout out to the Bay ✊ #salute
@prodbydramatic
@prodbydramatic 5 жыл бұрын
yee Decap def reppin strong
@soundbidness5959
@soundbidness5959 5 жыл бұрын
Such a dope cast i FW ya'll questions cause ya'll producers too. I've spent 10 years studying and comparing and learning each top daw and Cubase is at the top for me with Ableton right behind. Cubase if you're doing production and recording mixing etc... Ableton for production and live. Cubase never gets talked about but has the best of the best features out of all daws but it's only popular in the high end scoring world but if all the producers learned what's under the hood they'd flip. It all comes down to the user though and daw doesn't matter much. he's exactly right on the feel and mood you get from different DAWs. So far I get the best feeling from Ableton but Cubase has too many features and cheat codes to give up
@BeattapeFactory
@BeattapeFactory 5 жыл бұрын
decap is one of the more creative producers out there
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