Deciphered Scroll From Pompeii Finally Reveals Plato's Burial Site

Join us on an incredible journey back to ancient Greece as we uncover startling new details about the life and legacy of Plato, one of the most influential philosophers in Western civilization. Through pioneering AI technology, researchers have finally deciphered portions of a charred ancient scroll that survived the catastrophic eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD.
This unprecedented archaeological find, known as the "History of the Academy," reveals the precise location of Plato's burial site within the grounds of his famous philosophical school in Athens. But that's not all - the scroll offers a fascinating glimpse into the inner workings of the Academy itself, hinting at lively debates on ethics, metaphysics, the nature of reality and other core concepts central to Plato's teachings.
We'll explore how these groundbreaking discussions at the Academy helped pave the way for the establishment of modern Western educational institutions. You'll learn about Plato's experience being sold into slavery and how it shaped his ideas on justice and the ideal society. The scroll even contains a riveting dialogue highlighting Plato's criticisms of a musician's talents.
With each new fragment deciphered, we gain richer insight into the intellectual brilliance of Plato and the influential thinkers who studied at this pioneering center of learning over 2,300 years ago. An unparalleled archaeological find that is rewriting what we know about one of antiquity's greatest minds.
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[@chrisklammt68]

The scroll, along with many others from the Vesuvius eruption, comes from Herculaneum, not Pompeii. The temperature of the pyroclastic flow that hit Herculaneum was much hotter than that which hit Pompeii, effectively carbonizing material like wood and papyrus.

[@captdoug]

Tell us you didn't watch the video and I you are just reacting to the title without telling us

[@pierrenilsson6189]

@@captdoug Why would he watch the video when the title shows that it is not to be trusted?

[@captdoug]

​@@pierrenilsson6189 Cuz some of the scrolls did come from Pompeii and it turns out that the person that I'm commenting to didn't even know that because they chose not to watch the video.

[@sforza209]

@@captdougthere’s no point in arguing with ignorant folks.

[@penguinista]

The use of ultra intense radiation beams coming off synchrotrons to image the scrolls is another interesting technological development that has revealed more info from burned, ancient scrolls.

[@Jkaninteangemittnamn]

I would assume there are dna buried between the rolled pages - meaning Ceasars father in law could have read or his relativs or Ceasar but i would depend on the scroll and topic - and interrest -I would assume one thing that actually would fall into a scoll - readers hair,saliva and dandra - guess fingerprints would be there too-It might be possible in another 100 years -maybe

[@TheTaurus454]

Is there a single place on the internet where someone can go and read the english translations of all the scrolls? I would really enjoy reading the scrolls that have been recovered. A book on the translations would be amazing if it included a side-by-side comparison of original scroll writings and translations. The book would be mind blowing if it included an explanation for how it was translated with notes on grammar rule or verb tense to consider to properly translate. Not to mention the abbreviation notes used like just using the letter I instead of spelling Emperor/Imperator.

[@ernestintownandjackintheco1024]

Eventually it will probably make its way to the loeb classical library

[@AndSendMe]

This is all just barely at the beginning stages. They've only just solved the problem of reading carbon based inks on carbonized scrolls! Only 1,000 words so far, not very much! The whole scroll by 2026--this is going to take a while! I would only expect translations to appear in individual journal articles for a long while yet.

[@koboldgeorge2140]

This is literal cutting edge research. If you want to be able to keep up with it learn Greek!

[@sforza209]

@@koboldgeorge2140I’m learning Greek right now! Alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon, zeta, eta, theta, iota, kappa, lambda, mu, nu…… lol you get it.

[@radiojet1429]

Wonderful video - thanks!

[@oker59]

it'll be exciting if they dig up life info on Euclid/Apollonius and numerous other Greek Mathematicians.

[@MrChristianDT]

I'm hoping for new stuff on regions & cultures the Romans conquered.

[@thisisobviouslynotmyrealname]

Archimedes

[@lkrnpk]

Vivat academia! Vivant professores! Vivat membrum quodlibet Vivant membra quaelibet Semper sint in flore

[@jerrydeanswanson79]

So interesting. Thanks...and hello from Wisconsin. So...when you see what we are capable of doing these days...one thinks of the irreversible damage done in the past, in attempts to "open" scrolls like these, eh? If we knew then, what we know today...smiles.

[@DiscoveryFuture]

You're welcome!

[@OmegaWolf747]

You just know the archaeologists are salivating to dig up poor Plato's grave.

[@dougsinthailand7176]

I don’t know that. Do you?

[@faithlesshound5621]

After nearly 2400 years, there may not be much left.

[@MrChristianDT]

I'd be a bit shocked if they haven't already found it a long time ago & just didn't know for sure it was him.

[@cariocabrasileiro21]

I wonder if archaeologists ever found the grave of any major Greek philosopher?

[@Sourdo1]

AI is a topic that a lot of KZbinrs are using to sound hip and up to date, but the actual use of AI is still in its infancy as a practical science. Plus, in this post, like in too many others, sadly, the images are not historically correct or fitting to the material.

[@lde-m8688]

Not sure how reliable a 400 year old tale of a burial is? Guess we will find out.

[@user-dg9he2xg2g]

Will the lost total Work of Marcus Tullius Cicero's DE REPUBLICA, On The REPUBLIC, that famously became the Sequel PLATO's REPUBLIC, ever be somehow miraculously recovered, still buried somewhere in Herculaneum or Pompeii, or even in the Villa of AUGUSTUS?

[@MikeKisil]

Could be some very important documents Buried with Plato for that matter my bet other people school of literature may have wanted to be buried in area close to his.never know until alittle peek around would be uncoverd.

[@mrusso4542]

Please correct the title to say Herculaneum.

[@prakkari]

How come this video is the only source for this on the internet? What I can find out is that those scrolls have not been comprehensively deciphered and no texts have been published.

[@ellen4956]

As I understand it, the technology to "read" the scrolls was just invented last year. There was a contest with a prize of one million dollars to anyone who could read a few words in a row on one of the scrolls. There are a couple of other videos about it. The AI Breakdown: Artificial Intelligence News has one, and Getty Museum has one. I don't think we can put links in comments or I would link them here.

[@ellen4956]

@@prakkari Maybe this one is but there are several other videos about it. I watched another one where they showed some of the process and gave some prizes to people who were in the contest. They showed a part that one person had just "opened" using AI (I don't really understand it). Instead of being furious at this one, just find a better one. I'll see if I can find the name of the last one I watched.

[@ellen4956]

@@prakkari ANNOUNCEMENT: The Journey to read the Herculaneum Scrolls (by The Science Foundation News). That's a good one about it. Just copy and paste that title and it should come up. I see what you mean about this one though - it wasn't from Pompeii, and it doesn't say anything about Plato as far as I know. But they've discovered a way to scan the scrolls now, and there are hundreds of them, so it will be interesting to see what they really do say.

[@prakkari]

@@ellen4956 Thanks. The thumbnail of the video said the scrolls revealed Platos grave. That was a lie. This was clickbait and dishonest and infuriating.

[@MrChristianDT]

I asked about it on another video that was covering it. The original paper was in Italian, so it wasn't coming up for anyone here, but it is apparently real.

[@johnfist6220]

So it's like the new Indiana Jones film but with Plato instead of Archimedes?

[@grahamtravers4522]

Interesting video, but that's not AI.

[@scoon2117]

Im sure his grave has been robbed centuries ago

[@spicystick]

Philosophers were buried with no valuables

[@lkrnpk]

but how could he be the student of Brazilian soccer player?

[@johng4093]

So...are his bones really there? AI is great but we need to "trust but verify".

[@margo3367]

After several thousand years wouldn’t they have turned to dust?

[@user-wm3bf7pi3u]

@@margo3367 Ask T-Rex... The mineral composition of the soil, moisture level, the manner of burial, was he mummified?

[@J70a.m-zg6gi_wha0]

NO WAY!

[@Amc933]

AI put to good use!

[@michaelpowell775]

Something not right about this. The scrolls from Herculaneum have only just started to be read, just a few words so far. This must refer to some other document, not the scrolls. Also the script and images do not properly match.

[@AdrianCarlisle]

Dang ill be 😵by 2026

[@willieluncheonette5843]

" Plato is simply a record-keeper - he has not a single idea of his own! He is a devoted lover of Socrates, and whatever Socrates says, he goes on recording it, writing it. Socrates has not written anything - just as no great master has ever written anything. And Plato is certainly a great writer; perhaps Socrates may not have been able to write so beautifully. Plato has made Socrates’ teachings as beautiful as possible, but he himself is no one. Now the same work can be done by a tape recorder. And Aristotle is merely an intellectual, with no understanding of being, or even a desire to search for it. These people are taught in the universities. I was constantly in a fight with my professors. When they started teaching Plato, I said, “This is absolute nonsense, because Plato has nothing to say of his own. It is better to teach about Socrates. Plato can be referred to - he has compiled it all. But Socrates’ name has become almost a fiction, and Plato has become the reality” Plato’s allegory is of slaves who, working in a cave, see only their shadows on the walls and believe that what is happening on the walls is the only reality. They don’t know of any other reality except those shadows… they don’t even know that those shadows are their own. They know nothing about the outside world, outside their cave; it doesn’t exist for them. This is one of the most beautiful allegories - of tremendous importance. It is our allegory. Translated into our life, it means we are living in a certain cave and we are seeing shadows on a certain screen and we know nothing else about the screen. We know nothing about there being a world beyond the screen; we know nothing about these shadows on the screen, even that they are our own. Looked at rightly, it is the allegory of our mind. What do you know of the world? Just a small skull is your cave; and just the screen of your mind… and the things which you call thoughts, emotions, sentiments, feelings, are all shadows - they don’t have any substance in them. And you get angry, you get depressed, you are in anguish - because you have learned to be identified with those shadows. You are projecting them; they are your own shadows. It is your own anger that is projected on the screen of the mind. And then it becomes a vicious circle: that anger makes you more angry, more anger projects more anger, and so on and so forth. And we go on living our whole life without ever thinking that there is a world of reality beyond the mind, on the outside, and there is also a world of reality beyond all these sentiments, feelings, emotions - beyond your ego. That is your awareness. The whole art of meditation is to bring you out of the cave so that you can become aware that you are not those shadows but that you are a watcher. And the moment you become a watcher, a miracle happens: those shadows start disappearing. They feed on your identity; if you feel identified with them, then they are there. The more you identify with them, the more nourished they are. When you are just a watcher - just seeing, not judging, not condemning - slowly, slowly those shadows disappear, because now they don’t have any food. And then there is such a tremendous clarity, perceptivity, that you can see the world beyond - the world of sunrise and the world of clouds and the world of the stars; that is your outside. And you can become aware of your inside, which is far more mysterious. The outside world is so beautiful, but the inside world is a thousand fold more beautiful. Once you are somehow capable of getting out of the cave you become part of a universal consciousness. Inside, you have the whole eternity; you have been here forever and you will be here forever. Death has never happened and cannot happen. And outside there is a tremendously beautiful existence. And now to call them `outside’ and `inside’ is not right; those are the old words when the skull was dividing them in two. Now it is one. Your consciousness and the beauty of a sunset and the beauty of a starry night, your consciousness and the freshness of a rose - they are no longer separate because the principle of separation is no longer there. It is all one cosmic whole. And I call this experience the only holy experience. To experience the whole is the only holy experience. It has nothing to do with churches, temples, synagogues; it has something to do with you coming out, slipping out of the clutches of the mind. And it is not difficult, it is just that you have not tried it. Plato’s allegory rightly depicts the situation which we are in. But Plato never went further than that. Plato himself was never a meditator; the allegory remained a philosophical idea. If he had interpreted this allegory and had given it a turn towards meditation, the whole Western mind would have been different. This allegory would have changed the whole Western mind and the history that followed Plato - because Plato is the founder of the whole Western mind. Socrates never wrote anything; he was Plato’s master. Whatever we have about Socrates is from Plato’s notes of him talking with others - the famous Socratic dialogues. As a student he was just taking notes on them. Those notes have survived. In those notes is this allegory. It is difficult to know for what purpose Socrates was using the allegory, but it is certain that Plato misused it - he was not a man who was in search of truth, he was a man who wanted to think about truth. But to search for truth is one thing and to think about truth is totally different: thinking keeps you within the cave. It is only non-thinking that can take you out of the cave."

[@alexandery8508]

Beautifully written! Do you think we should or not use platos allegory for traveling to places example Athens for Greek history or rome for the renansance and the ancient time of Rome would or not take us closer to what is genuine. Let us think of a man who works and always listens to documentaries of ancient Athens, ancient Rome etc. Then one day we have the imagination but we need to climb over the walls in order to see what hasn't been seen and things that has or not be exaggerated by our own minds.

[@alexandery8508]

I know according to you that plato misused the allegory but still if you think about what I have written.

[@alexandery8508]

To travel for me is to always have some background knowledge and to travel is to get out of the cave. So we will according to you have the Socrates leaving the cave and the plato thinking

[@willieluncheonette5843]

@@alexandery8508 I did not write this. It is from talks by Osho.

[@bondniko]

πολύ ενδιαφέρον

[@WeedMIC]

Didn't mention plato being a slave?

[@seymourbutts4654]

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