Deckbuilder of the year just dropped? (Wildfrost)

[@firedonutzFTW]

I love when NL plays games with a cutesy style and has to say things like “I’m going to spicy pepper the ooba bear” in his regular cadence

[@sushantheshreztha8777]

SAP in a nutshell!

[@Drekromancer]

@@sushantheshreztha8777spice me

[@matttondr9282]

I guess that’s the appeal of NL’s auto pets series.

[@matttondr9282]

@@sushantheshreztha8777 exactly 😂

[@sirondium]

I can’t imagine putting in so much effort to make such a gorgeous and fun game and getting 57% positive reviews because people think it’s too difficult.

[@benjiwebbe9148]

thats how it is these days. 1990: "dude come over by the weekend, to check out this insanely difficult nintendo game I just got. lets see who beats it quicker" 2023: "what, did i just lose in this game? i want my money back!!!"

[@yungkenwud6397]

and it's a *TWO* person dev team. Majority of modern "gamers" are so entitled it's actually insane

[@watchingaccount]

@@benjiwebbe9148 dude stfu with this 'people nowadays are different than they were when i was young'

[@pigmanpiggypiggyman3732]

I think it's still missing QOL things that a lot of games in the same field (tiny dev team, lots of brainwork, rng) have covered already. I'm thinkin Slice and Dice on this field i guess

[@akumaluck9405]

Thing is, there needs to be a balance. It's all fine and dandy that there are some people who are having an easier time of it than others, whether that be because they have experience in the genre, or are more suited to the gameplay, but part a game needs to be able to attract new players as well. I think the game is great, but I do think it needs some balance adjustments. NL only really got to show off Act 1 in the video so it's hard to really show people what the complaints are about. Act 1 is actually fairly standard in terms of difficulty, its the jump to Act 2 that's turning people away. I think the main issue is pacing and a lack of agency in Act 1. Act 1 has only a few choices you can make before the boss and then you're immediately chucked into act 2 where the fights are a LOT more brutal and require much more mastery of the mechanics then Act 1. It's very easy to beat the act 1 boss only to immediately get bodied by the first fight in act 2. I think this is a result of the devs wanting the game to be difficult enough to warrant experienced players to want to keep playing it, but it means newer players get frustrated banging their head against the wall, especially because there are fights that counter certain decks HARD. While I don't think its impossible, and the Act 2 fights are more of a skill check then being unbalanced, I think this game could have really benefited from a similar system to ascension in StS. That way you have something for players to work towards, but you can give them a more gradual progression of difficulty rather then slamming them in the face with a sudden difficulty spike.

[@SirTeepo]

NL giving steam reviewers shit for not reading text in game is rich. He's correct but it's also pretty funny.

[@mikel.8887]

I actually laughed out loud when he said that

[@DerfyRed]

He also doesn’t read text but he doesn’t shit on the game because of it

[@Maltesfilm]

@@DerfyRed Sometimes he does

[@patrickburke3098]

@@DerfyRed dredge

[@renegadeprism42]

@@patrickburke3098 but dredge wasn't worth reading

[@randompersonintheinternet9296]

I love how almost everybody who plays it for the first time completely ignores the moving companions mechanic and get insanely bodied by that

[@doyouknowkeplertwentytwob4032]

For real I was heated when he refused to do that

[@Dreadnote-pf7of]

Yeah, wait for 10+ games when they understand that you could call back your allies to save them

[@LilyTheSmol]

I was lucky enough to watch RT play it first, who actually read the tutorial messages

[@samgomez9942]

I was surprised NL didn't do thst more

[@myhuntclips4848]

19:33 "Start me off with a pinkberry juice on big berry, just so he lives" -> Big Berry immediately dies. Comedic timing strikes again.

[@Vario69]

Same with the very last play "Let's move our leader back so he doesn't die" *dies to barrage*

[@tommymileshart]

32:28 NL blundering away his leader and as he utters the word 'survive' the end cards flash up on screen, cementing his fate.

[@vmp916]

The NL end card comedic timing combo is a hood classic

[@Vario69]

@@vmp916 did somebody say Spelunky?

[@beechboiii]

Oh god, now I have to learn the mechanics of a new game so that I can leave condescending comments on these vods

[@cryptorcd9352]

Not a bad idea, its a good game lol

[@csguy3223]

You can just do that without getting the game.

[@Klayht]

The game is gorgeous and a whole lot of fun, it actually saddens me to see the reviews be so negative.. Although I do agree with SOME of the sentiment expressed in the negative reviews, holistically I think the game is a solid 8/10. Hopefully after the next update we'll see some of the negative reviews flip 🙃

[@bawk_]

ive beaten the game (fr) in 24 hours and friends please give it a shot, the reviews are so wrong the game is so fun even losing is fun it may be a deckbuilder but i honestly think the game is more like trying to tune a rube goldberg machine in your favour its so so much fun

[@Softlol]

Yeah, definitely the most unique take on Slay the Spire type of games. Feels like I am playing a puzzle game times.

[@cryptorcd9352]

I think the problem is people thought its slay the spire like and game is nothing like sls. It's a card game but its like comparing fire emblem to final fantasy. Both are turn based but take different thinking to be good at.

[@adrianfr05]

fr means for real or in french?

[@Softlol]

@@cryptorcd9352 yeah. It takes at least a couple of hours to understand all the unexplained mechanics.

[@ChromaticFarmer7]

Jupp! Took me a day to beat the final boss, have yet to beat myself though, was a pretty op build. It requires your attention, and thinking a few steps ahead, but it's not unbalanced or too hard. Sure some things can always be tweaked, but the core game is phenomenal imo.

[@Shines.22]

They’ve done studies, you know. 57% of the time, it works every time.

[@kobold_sushi_executive_chef]

Watching this dredged up some archaic memories of playing that Adventure Time deckbuilder from the early 2010's

[@I_GRlMM_I]

dredge spotting

[@MoonMoon-bj9jr]

card wars enjoyer

[@tuckerinc8057]

I floop my pig on your corn field

[@elijahsinclair7219]

god I really wish they'd bring that game back on steam

[@BlitzAblaze]

Dredge mentioned

[@dg5059]

One of my favorite deck builders for sure. Tried it after seeing NL play it. Game is tough at first but once you get mechanics down it's not too bad. Balance isn't an issue. Really a shame the reviews are negative, it's an excellent game. Very fun and unique mechanics, fantastic art, music and sound are well done. I'm frankly shocked at the reviews.

[@Gorbgorbenson]

I think the issue is they give stuff really high health. Without that, it'd not be as challenging, but it's very frustrating with it

[@Siennarchist]

Watching NL misplay in a way that will kill him, then seeing the next video get recommended just before he died is hilarious to me

[@frostfire6591]

Scrappy sword showing crappy while in hand is so clever

[@Vario69]

Nice catch!

[@PhantomThiefXI]

the game becomes gradually more fun after youve unlocked a bunch of shit, and i think whats actually kinda wack are the leaders, which are less interesting than most random allies and how some stuff is locked behind unrelated stuff (get 40 coins from gobling unlocks kill 10 enemies through shrooms) if it were 40 coins unlocks 100 coins id get it, but having already killed enemies through shrooms and only 5 runs later the game is offering a reward for me to do it is kind of a bummer

[@vinaymalut5702]

God damn the battle music goes hard.

[@andrea_7194]

Library man has teased us all with this stream lol Finally it's here! 🎉🎉

[@carsonspinks1067]

I have been playing myself for the past couple days nearly nonstop. I love how cute this game is and the puzzle element of each battle! I ended up beating it once after many many attempts but I got better and better! Similar to my experience with Isaac back in the day! Looking forward to playing more today

[@krystofmec6491]

I really hope he doesn't decide it's too hard and stop playing it in two days.

[@laureloneiros1500]

good news, he already stopped

[@tanis016]

@@laureloneiros1500 He didn't. He was playing it yesterday.

[@Fahrenheit1407]

@@laureloneiros1500 Good news, you're completely wrong

[@sultan_3864]

@@laureloneiros1500another good news, you’re irrelevant

[@ArminiusSilvanus]

"Move you in front, so you can survive" *End card pops up* Gotta love when that happens. But yeah, people are exaggerating about the difficulty. I don't often make to the end in roguelikes, but I've beaten two runs of this game within a few days of playing it. You really shouldn't play the coward's way this early on. Right now is when you should be experimenting, figuring out the mechanics as much as possible. That was my approach, too. Whenever I didn't know how something would work, I'd try it out, even if it would cost me the run.

[@julianlastname5730]

This game is so cool, I would love to see more videos on it!

[@Mrpear234]

Loved NL the starting game banter... then things got hard. :)

[@DaveNotFrederick]

This game looks great! Hoping he plays more of it.

[@michaelmulholland6679]

Looks great, will pick this up.

[@seahawk1579]

Got 3 clears thus far in 8 hours, it's reallllly not that hard. Requires a lot of thought but that's why it's so good- yet to have a fight where I didn't screw up from my own mistake or realising my deck wasn't good enough. That's what makes a good deckbuikder....I encourage those who enjoy it to vote positive on steam to help bump it up to at least 80% positive- it deserves it

[@lenoria]

this game looks incredible

[@Hanz_Yrock]

This is such a great game to watch

[@PandaXStorm]

finaly seeing you playing this. most of the time your thought process about builds is the most entertaining thing about rougelike games

[@Gureiseion]

Can't wait for all the maple-themed enemies when you hit that section of the map. So that's where all the syrup you make in Mon Bazou goes.

[@stephen5521]

The game is reasonably challenging and slightly unbalanced, but it has the much bigger issue of not giving the player any agency at all. Compared to StS, there's no pathing, no relics, no card upgrades, no events and overall much less ability to improve your deck before the final boss. Very little was added to replace these mechanics, and combined with a lack of ascensions, it's a pretty underwhelming package gameplay-wise. That said, i agree it should be a "very positive" on Steam, given that similar games have that rating.

[@SirValoso]

Immediately beat the letting honey sleep for once allegations. But why isn't this part of his 'Wake up honey' series?

[@jaktrak]

The style is so nice!

[@Psychobum91932]

Music slightly reminds me of Gigantic. Miss that aesthetically pleasing game, it was the game that filled the Paragon shaped hole in my soul.

[@Yumil43]

I love Vinnysauce, but comparatively, NL introducing the starting combat of this game really shows his prowess at showcasing game mechanics. I found this game a bit dull before but NOW I want to play too :3

[@chrisbrownlee6810]

I was waiting for him to play this so bad

[@missusmousse]

Losing my mind that someone thought the first boss was too hard- this game doesn’t deserve any of those negative reviews

[@ajx4]

NL:"move this guy up so he takes the hit" me:"*nods* uhm uhm" *youtube end cards pop up* me:"*shakes head* no nope thats not gonna work" NL:"THE BARRAGE"

[@stgm]

I really dig the artwork.

[@deepestcrack4717]

Game was made for Enelle Eggdad Ryab Gary Fall Man Jokah Dredge Peglin Gourd fr fr

[@YellowSpaceMarine]

This game looks so unique en well-made. Really nice to see a game that's less basic

[@colintudor66]

I dunno, that first combat seemed like Father Gascoigne levels of difficulty for a first boss kappa

[@chuckiee3]

"... I put you in front so you can survive this hit" Meanwhile end cards are blocking half the screen :D

[@Erynash]

Very good game. Most people who wrote negative reviews are full of rubbish.

[@mikelonduckguey]

Good news, as of november 19th 2024, Wildfrost is sitting at a "very positive" on steam

[@BaneOfXistence4]

Did anybody complain this much about Slay The Spire when it came out? Because STS is pretty damn hard too, for beginners. There's definitely a distinction between "this is too hard" vs "I'm missing something here."

[@slimboarder.o7]

StS is pretty easy from m'y expérience was able to beat it pretty fast

[@yungkenwud6397]

@@slimboarder.o7 was that your experience on release of the game? Or after a few years of balancing changes ?

[@slimboarder.o7]

@@yungkenwud6397 last version

[@SaturdayMorningAction]

I hate two fights. The teeth one with the enemy that grants aimless to my team, and the Minotaur fight. 7 attack even if aimless basically guarantees someone is dying. Great game, but those two battles in particular make me rage.

[@zyst6]

This is sick! Hope we get more videos

[@adam3896]

NL missed out on brutal orchestra he better not miss out on wildfrost

[@adam3896]

many people are saying this

[@MultiLelde]

It’s interesting, when I see people talk about how hard a game is, it makes me want to try them even more. I play my games on normal but overall harder games have always appealed to me due to the challenge. Most times it just ends up that the people calling it hard never got a solid grasp of the game mechanics to actually do good.

[@zokerino447]

Damn, this game is gorgeous!

[@saltix0]

That game looks really fun

[@S7r1k3r581]

Pls more of this game I want to see NL finish at least one run

[@fredreichmendiola9255]

us egg fans r used to thinking games

[@bradeywhitlock1633]

I’ve played 10ish runs and beat it once. It’s not that it’s necessarily hard imo, just take focus so you don’t mess up a single turn. It snowballs (no pun intended) very quickly when you misplay…

[@MrZoora23]

I hope you play more of this game

[@MrMeatzombie]

YOU HAD ALL SUMMER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU DO

[@Sifd]

Small version: The game isn't exactly "hard", it's that you feel weak in comparison to what enemies do and how easy you can lose to RNG. Full version: Everybody be like "it got review bombed because of the difficulty" meanwhile the game is difficult because of half the enemies having "aimless" or spikes/retaliate and a lot of mechanics are just "it's not completly broken but you might just lose on the spot if RNG doesn't help you out". I mean, there is literaly a card that says "mark an enemy and and ally at random and when one of them dies the other one loses 100 life" and if that cards marks your hero at random you lose on the spot because the moment the enemy dies your hero dies too. And if you say "don't use it then" obviously the counterargument is "why does it exist then?" -to make you lose through RNG, which this game excels at. So yeah, saying that negative reviews are because of difficulty while you lose from RNG is not exactly fair either. Also: People are allowed to have a negative opinion on things, have you even thought that they might be right? Or just because it's related to the difficulty (RNG) of the game it doesn't count? PS: By "you" I mean the reader of this comment, not specifically Northernlion.

[@a2rhombus2]

It's funny to me how many people are like "the game is so good why does it have negative reviews" after watching NL play it for 30 minutes lol

[@PhantomThiefXI]

my ass using soulbound with 5 guys deployed thinking statiscally no way itll hit the leader and it does 2 times

[@Sifd]

@@elflocke1170 So, just to be clear, the points are the following: -I have played 8 hours of the game and have watched maybe 10 minutes of youtubers playing it before I play it for the first time myself. -Other people are better at card games than me -My opinion and everybody else who might be at my level or lower are not allowed to critisize the game for the RNG / difficulty / skill cap / whatver you want to call it. -Still doesn't explain the 1:6 auto lose card

[@Sifd]

Keep in mind that A LOT of people DON'T watch youtubers play it, which might make them lose even more often to mechanics they are not used to. Also keep in mind that content creators are most of the time successful BECAUSE they know how to play games, which skews the opinion towards "hey look, he beats it, therefore people who say it's hard are just bad" meanwhile forgetting that the person they are talking about is supposed to be good at games. Also there are people that buy 2-3 games per month and this was one of them and it cost them 20$ but have now realized they don't enjoy it because it's hard and you have to minmax to win, are they also not allowed to downvote? You see, this whole argument about "the people voting are just bad" can backfire a million different directions, how about we LISTEN to the people? AND KEEP ONE THING IN MIND: If you enjoy the game, who cares what rating it has.

[@WheelDragon]

When he's in the middle of a fight and you see the end card pull up monkaW

[@ClaeFace]

The music is BUMPIN

[@mattu10599]

NL is correct, people simply are just bad and can't handle this game. The reviews are incorrect.

[@manfromaland]

I beat the game my second try, and every time I died I didnt feel like it was out of my control. I don't see what is so unbalanced about it

[@Carsa-is6vb]

@@manfromaland It's unbalanced for double digit IQ, which is almost half the population, which is very close to the % of negative reviews. Not saying the 2 things are related, but it's a funny coincidence.

[@asshrimpleasthat799]

damn, AND wargroove 2 is coming out. chucklefish is back baby

[@xol9331]

the music SLAPS

[@hart5777]

Please more of this

[@AlgaeTheCatman]

Difficulty has that CBT difficulty. Love it

[@bread804]

I rate the the game a 9/10, its really fun its just that rng may screw you over sometimes

[@faereman]

I'm pretty much the same as NL. If a game gets review-bombed for being too hard, it instantly makes me want to play it.

[@DocBees]

Game seems like a ton of fun!

[@Malthore1]

I hope he tries aces and adventures sometime

[@knmrt2760]

How long before he ragequits it like the Dredge incident ? Make your bets...

[@Cryonicity]

Played it and it's actually fun

[@StarbornQM]

Man this game looks hype.

[@mr.nilraps]

“It’s too hard” have you tried not being terrible at life?

[@xenos_n.]

This game seems cool, there's just a lot to pay attention to.

[@mewtwotwo2222]

so sad to see so many negative reviews complaining about how the game is too hard literally a skill issue

[@TheeSilentObserverz]

Give this game a year and that 57% review will jump on 90%

[@wilko9346]

Wow this game is fun to watch

[@sevret313]

This is a lovely game. Yeah I had some failed attempts before winning but didn't feel too hard when I got access to all three tribes and could actually deal with the end boss effectively.

[@topkat8886]

took me like 30 tries but i finally beat it for the first time warning spoilers from here then my cards became the final boss for the next run i have lol. Personally i really like that fact where each run you win you have to fight your past deck which makes it progressively harder and more interesting to play.

[@seahawk1579]

Yeah man I'm on 3 clears now and my new boss is an absolute killer- I stacked up loads of multi hits and peppers which breezed me through the fight but facing against one of my companions with 20 health 7 attack x 5 Fury is pretty damn brutal haha- think I will need to go some junk to block it and poison or something to wittle it down, or just snow to stop it entirely. Very engaging game I love the difficulty

[@benjamintaral6344]

This is just great 👍

[@TheeSilentObserverz]

This game is on level to slay the spire. If they make.more levels and have different snow biome it might suppass slay the spire

[@ilovehumongoushonkers]

I'm waking up

[@Fabian-ci4cb]

I feel it in my bones

[@JadedMuse_]

More please! 😃

[@TheeSilentObserverz]

Reviews be like: Game to hard Me: that good news its better than that than boring

[@vg4917]

looks good reminds of krumits tale

[@quantheterrible3285]

I need this on mobile! I wanna play this instead of working at work

[@workoutandread]

mobile gamers aren't people, change my mind.

[@punkrocksamurai1]

They should come out with an easy mode and call it snow flake mod lol

[@MrJamjammers]

That is in fact a pepper, not a tomato lol

[@DregunStash]

comment for the algo, what a fun looking challenging game, I wonder what the steam reviews have to say about it

[@Softlol]

This game is amazing, I have done nothing else than playing it on my free time for the past days. How on earth isn’t this 98% on Steam is beyond me!

[@slimboarder.o7]

Game's pretty rng based like half the ennemys have aimless

[@Softlol]

@@slimboarder.o7 what, most aimless enemies are like snowmen with 1 attack and 4 HP. I actually counted, and so far two enemies have aimless, and one makes your team become aimless. Thats 3 enemies out of 53 I have encountered so far. You’re exaggerating a little bit.

[@michaelcordeiro12]

That's a spicy tomato

[@mateomoore6385]

“Probably a guaranteed loss” I’m dead

[@DivineLD]

Would love this added to the rotation, once they do some balancing this could definitely become one of the best card rougelikes.

[@Illianor123]

Being hard and strategic doesn’t mean imbalanced.

[@Maltesfilm]

@@Illianor123 Not necessarily, but it can.

[@DivineLD]

@@Illianor123 lol has nothing to do with being "hard or strategic", the base game simply scales too fast with its current rng. Funny enough if they made the roads to every boss 1 or 2 longer I think it'd be fine.

[@mejeg]

I hate it when people neg review because they suck at a game. It's fine if you struggle, and it's fine to be annoyed that you feel it's too hard. Simply give it no review, it was the same for Rain World, but there were lucky that they ended up with enough backing to counter the negs.

[@PinkJuno]

even the demo was way too hard for me lol I couldn't complete a full run

[@Yurgaloo]

So glad NL the roguelike aficionado has logged on to call out the skill issue in these reviews

[@jusatin]

Holy fuck the amount of misplays is killing me.

[@QualeQualeson]

Rumour has it NL got creamed and left a negative review on Steam saying the game is too hard.

[@MrTommylicious]

This game is so cool

[@TheHugbees]

This game is good, but certainly some stuff is overtuned like the Bigfoot enemy.

[@ChromaticFarmer7]

Yeah, the bigfoot enemies, especially combined with aimless debuff on you and spikes on the enemies are a headache.

[@jvalenval2549]

This game is fantastic yes it’s a little difficult but me as a card enthusiast I love the challenge…just make a relaxer mode for the whiners 😅