Decrypting Ancient Calendars

Why do the months have different lengths and why is a week seven days long? Why do Ramadan and Easter move around? John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place takes a look at the Roman origins of our own calendar and compares it with systems developed by peoples as diverse as the Babylonians, Persians, Egyptians, and Mayans.

[@johnnysmall]

Love this guy

[@denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598]

John is the best and sweetest! I Love hearing You . All you say!!!

[@thechatteringmagpie]

So glad to hear the debunking of the Ishtar connection.

[@familyshare3724]

Lack of evidence is not proof. Easter may not come directly from Ishtar, but it is likely that Oester synchronised with Venus sync Aphrodite sync Inanna. Likewise the Virgin Mary and the resurrection of the Son/Sun.

[@denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598]

Merry Christmas John. I love all you do

[@notmyrealname121]

hi guys. Im a Bangorian.. My home town was settled in 3330 BC. Whats remarkable, is that after watching this lecture, that some of the quizzical problems, or leaps between eras cultures and calendar systems, to us is common knowledge. What will really freak you out is when you "Allign the Gods T o the HEaven". Thats why the Sun Moon and plaents never change. If you think of The Sun as a GOd, and Saturn as a God, The day of worship for the Sun is Sunday, and the day of worship of Saturn is Saturday. ASk yourself, which God are the Jews, and the Christians Worshipping on Ash Wednesday. A what will really spin you out, is God Rested on the first Day of the week. Trully remarkable, and loved this vid

[@familyshare3724]

Wednesday, Mercury, Quicksilver, the messenger Hermes. D (re) of do-re-mi- fa-so-la-ti

[@patricksaucier1203]

Firstly, I'd like to express my appreciation for your enlightening talks; I find them incredibly enjoyable. You use the 7-day week as example of a count unrelated to some other phenomenon. While reflecting on this when you discussed the lunar month, it occurred to me that the 7-day week aligns with the quarter phases of the moon. This lead me to ponder the remarkable precision of the Mayan calendar. Could its exceptional accuracy be attributed to its foundational approach? Unlike other calendar systems that seem to evolve from observable natural phenomena such as seasons, the Mayan calendar appears to originate from a more abstract, mathematical basis, starting with a 260-day count that doesn't directly correspond to obvious natural markers. This distinct starting point might have provided the Mayans a unique framework, potentially contributing to the calendar's precision. Thank you for so generously sharing your wealth of human capital!

[@denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598]

John I have come to love you so much.

[@RandellBabr-lm5yy]

I created my own calendar 47 years ago at age 38. 12 years later, turned 50 73 hours ago . I feel like I'm in my 20s !!!!

[@patricktilton5377]

The word Eostre is related to the word 'estrus' / 'eostrus' -- from which the English word "estrogen" derives, having to do with 'female characteristics' such as the menstrual cycle, etc. In Catholic tradition, Jesus was born on 25 December and, thus, was conceived 9 months earlier, so that 25 March is not only the Feast of St. Humbert but also the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin, when the archangel Gabriel "announced" to Mary that she was with child -- presumably in the year 1 BC. The first Easter -- a movable feast, being the first Sunday following the Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox [21 March in AD 325, the Council of Nicaea] -- was supposedly after the 3 & 1/2 year Ministry of Jesus which began when he was baptized 'about' the age of 30 (in the autumn), hence in the springtime of AD 34, which would have been on 28 March AD 34. In other words, he was supposedly resurrected on Sunday 28 March AD 34, the 12,140th day counting from Saturday 1 January AD 1 (when Jesus would have been circumcised), his crucifixion having been on Good Friday, 26 March AD 34. Since 29 December 1 BC was a Full Moon, and the crucifixion was during a 'paschal' Full Moon (on the 12,138th AD day), then if we count from 5:00 pm UT on 29 December 1 BC [the actual Full Moon alignment] to sometime on 28 March AD 34 we should get the number of days that equals a whole number of months/lunations. It turns out that there are 411 months in that interval. Multiplying 411 by 29.53058796 days per month gives 12,137.07165 days; subtracting ~ 2.3 BC days to get from ~ 5:00 pm of 29 December 1 BC to Midnight when 1 January AD 1 began, and then subtracting 11,688 days [i.e. AD 1 through 32], and then subtracting 365 days [i.e. AD 33], and then subtracting 59 days [i.e. 1 January AD 34 through 28 February AD 34], we're left with 22.7716515 days = 23 March AD 34 (~ 6:30 pm UT). But wait! Isn't it supposed to be Good Friday, 26 March AD 34? The 23rd of March is 3 days earlier. What's wrong here? Well, the Full Moon actually appears over a period of about 3 days, the actual alignment only being the specific moment when the centers of the Sun, the Earth, and the Moon match up. It helps to know when the Jewish month of Abib / Nisan began. It would have been soon after the beginning of the NEW MOON preceding this Full Moon -- i.e. 410.5 lunations after that Full Moon alignment on 29 December 1 BC. Since 410.5 x 29.53058796 = 12,122.30636 days, then if we subtract the sum of 2.3 + 11,688 + 365 + 59 days, we're left with 8.0063575 days into March, counting from Midnight, when Roman days begin. Thus, the New Moon alignment would be about 9 minutes 10 seconds after Midnight on Tuesday the 9th of March, AD 34. The rules of the Jewish Calendar include that Passover [14 Nisan] must precede Rosh Hashanah [1 Tishri] by 163 days [i.e. 23 weeks + 2 days], and Rosh Hashanah cannot be on either a Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday. According to the BOOK OF CALENDARS (by Frank Parisi), Rosh Hashanah was on Thursday 2 September AD 34 [i.e. the 12,298th AD day], and 163 days earlier was thus on the 12,135th AD day = 23 March AD 34 . . . a Tuesday. There's a problem, here, of course. A TUESDAY cannot be "Good Friday" . . . so what's going on here? The Roman Catholic Church sought to avoid matching Easter with the 'Jewish' holiday of Passover, just as they also sought to replace the 'Jewish' sabbath [i.e. Saturday] with Sunday. Believing that Jesus was resurrected on a SUNDAY, they opted to have it be on 28 March AD 34; also, believing that the crucifixion was 2 days earlier, on a FRIDAY, they opted to have that be on 26 March AD 34. It didn't matter to them that 26 March AD 34 was not the day of Passover, according to the Jewish Calendar. There are a whole host of reasons why no two Christian churches agree on which actual dates when Jesus was conceived, born, baptized, crucified, and resurrected. Interestingly, Frank Parisi's BOOK OF CALENDARS gives us a list of the "Dates of Easter" . . . and the list includes the Years AD 1 through 33, too (going up to AD 1999), even though there WAS no 'Easter' until the 1st one, assuming that the Gospels are true, being the one in AD 34 -- again, according to Catholic tradition. Similarly, the very naming of the day of Jesus' resurrection as 'Easter' shows the essentially pagan origins of this 'Christian' feast day. The Babylonian goddess of love -- Ishtar -- has a name that is undoubtedly related to the word 'Eostre', which denotes "feminine characteristics" . . . as in, a female animal is said to be "in estrus" when she is "in heat" -- when it's a good idea to let the bulls get at the heifers, if you're trying to breed more cows and bulls. Ishtar was a fertility goddess -- which is why Easter is celebrated with the images of RABBITS and EGGS, obvious symbols of fertility. It was around that same time of year, the Vernal Equinox, when Catholic tradition has it that God the Father BECAME a father, by impregnating the Virgin Mary, who found out she was pregnant on 25 March 1 BC, the Annunciation. Being crucified on 26 March AD 34 would thus be after a lifespan (counting from his Conception, remember) of almost exactly 34 years. If the Conception was on the Vernal Equinox -- reckoned as 21 March back then -- then there would be 285 more days until the end of 1 BC, plus another 12,138 days until the end of Good Friday, 26 March AD 34 = a total of 12,423 days. If we count the Conception from a few days later, we could figure that Jesus' lifespan was 1,774 and a half weeks = 12,421 and 1/2 days, with that final 3 and 1/2 days counting from the 1st Shrove Tuesday, preceding Easter Sunday. I'm not aware of any Catholic pronouncement concerning exactly when Mary was made "with child" -- only that Gabriel announced it to her on 25 March 1 BC. How long should a henchman wait to inform an unsuspecting 'virgin' that she had secretly been knocked up by his boss? One day? Two days? Three days? Hmm . . .

[@KimiW]

Fascinating read! Thank you. Fun ending to a well-written, concise contributing comment.

[@Stadtpark90]

7:22 the end of the world (as they knew it) 44:53 zodiac 51:07 Chinese Zodiac 57:09 Days of the Week 1:12:25 Circle of Life - it is always you

[@jamesdewane1642]

I've been very pleased with all John's work on these videos! Is there a book by book examination of the NT coming? I'm very interested in how the books relate to each other and what each author was doing to emphasize or refute other authors, and how this relates to how to live right!

[@tombouie]

Amazing

[@heidenlandgraaf7224]

like the computer date scare and things would crash - them not being able to go from 1999 to 2000.

[@mariojardonsantos7568]

In Spanish Saturday and Sunday were successfully judeo-christianized. Saturday is "Sábado", i.e. Sabbath, and Sunday is "Domingo", which comes from latin "Domenicus", meaning "Lordly". All other days retain. their pagan names. This is also true of almost all romance languages with the notably exception of Portuguese. They use Sábado and Domingo, which are the only days with a proper name; all days from Monday to Friday are numbered from second to sixth (Sunday=Domingo being the first day of the week). These numbers coexist with the number each day has from its place in the month.

[@bobmckinsey6169]

I was in Cambodia in 2002 and they were using a different calendar than what the United states uses. I took a picture of it but don't have it anymore.

[@heidenlandgraaf7224]

Eostre & Ishtar Fertility deities of different cultures, still interlinked but from a different perspective/narrative

[@Briareos1337]

Just by the way, the 2012 date was miscalculated using 365 days calendar... we've still got some years left until the mayan calendar ends

[@kamion53]

the 2012 date is correctly calculated in the most widely accepted correlation the Goodman-Martinez-Thompson correlation. Scientist on Maya culture use the Julian Date system which is also used by astronomers which gives every day an unique number independent of what calender is used. the day of releasing this video 2021 august 20 for instance has the JD nr 2459447, it avoids the complications caused by the lenght of the tropical year being 365, 24218 days. The day the Mayan calender is supposed to start has the JD nr 584283. Add 13x 20 x 20 x 360 to that and you arrive at JD 2456283 with is 2012 Dec 21. But the Long Count was no longer recorded after the decline of the Classic Maya cities in the 10th century AD. Later Maya recorded events in the katun system.

[@familyshare3724]

Easter may not come directly from Ishtar, but it is likely that Oester synchronised with Venus sync Aphrodite sync Inanna. Likewise the Virgin Mary and the resurrection of the Son/Sun.

[@Darisiabgal7573]

Eostra is the goddess of Dawn

[@kathymayes4290]

I was wondering how a population could have such a complex numbering system? They must have been a lot more intelligent than we, or else we have no idea how brilliantly children can learn.

[@radiofreeearth]

Enjoyed the talk, but Leif Erikson not Columbus was the first person from Europe to set foot in America (500 years before Columbus was born). Further, the Americas - North & South could not be discovered because there were already people living there for thousands of years. These civilizations had their own political & social systems, religions & languages.

[@kamion53]

@1:85 the 260 day tzolk'in DID correspond with something observable: nl the zenithpassage of the sun from the northen to the southern hemisphere at one of the oldest Maya centra's at that latitude on August 13 the sun passes from north to south being overhead at noon leaving no shadow from a vertical stick. and retuns going from south to north 260 days later. as the rainseasons correlate with this the tzolk'in was probably observed from august to april and restarted in august again. And only later was linked to the haan as a permanent cog. notobserving a calender for a part of the year is not unique; the early Romans following the Etruscans did likewise, starting in spring the had 10 months till winter and restarted the calender in spring again. @1:23:46 in about 1566 Bishop Landa wrote about the Maya Calender but did not mention the Long Count which was not used anymore, his rapport was about 20 years before the pope installed the Gregorian calender reform, but Landa's report went straight into the archives and was forgotten for centuries.

[@kathymayes4290]

I’ve never lived where I didn’t see the moon every night. And, I’m old.

[@chutspe]

You see the New Moon?

[@scienceandmatter8739]

Tribvtes FROM Germany Europe

[@ramunaspovilanskas9944]

Anglo-Saxon Ēostre = Latin Aurora (Venus) or Baltic Aušra/Austra

[@heidenlandgraaf7224]

Sunday being the first depends on your own social construct! All we know is the last day is the day of rest.... It can be Saturn-day with Judaism; it can be Venus-day with Islam; or Sun-day with Christians. But since the sun "god" is the "sky-daddy" we do start with Sundays in other social constructs, followed by the moon - The two brightest and biggest luminaries visible from earth with the naked eye. The other 5 days correspond with the 5 planets (Wanderers) visible in the night sky with the naked human eye. It all goes back to Sumer/Mesopotamia, and probably even further back in human history.

[@lennykoss8777]

🤔🤔🤔

[@heidenlandgraaf7224]

North Western European watching, wondering why mention Mardi Gras but not Carnaval(e)? carne/carnis/karno=meat & vale/levare=without/remove/farewell. Catholic aka base/foundation for all forms of Christianity, not eating meat during fasting - fish and poultry where not always considered "meat". Also can be interpreted metaphorically with the Christian Easter myth(s) and resurrection.

[@sanjaygowda1143]

14 baktun =14 manvantaras mayan calendar is same has Indian cosmological calendar

[@kamion53]

every culture creates it's myths and it mythical time periods. a manvantara is ways longer then a baktun, 306,720,000 years Wikipedia tells me, were a baktun is a little under 4 centuries. It isn't my forte, but I assume the manvantara's came from the multiplication of significant numbers. It could not be from observation; 300 million years ago the dinosaurs had not even emerged yet and the Permian period had just started. But don't worry the Maya's had higher units of time recorded, each 20 times the previous period one stela at Koba , Koba stela 1 has the top it recorderd 20 layers of time before the zero date of the Maya Calender going back to a date 142 NONILLION years ago, where the Big Bang happened 15 BILLION years ago. Each period went with the number 13 before it. 13 was a very important number for the Maya's.

[@rhett826]

Loved the comment about the Catholic Church having been in a "Stick" mood. She has always been in a stick mood when ever civil authorities gave her the stick. She'll have it again shortly and wield it harshly against those who cherish liberty of conscience... choosing to think, believe and speak for themselves and not as they are told to do so by a cult leader who claims to speak for God. The proof that the Catholic system isn't now nor never was Christian is in the way she wields that stick. This is also why she so readily accepted and integrated every pagan custom, tradition and ritual she came across. Most of which where contra-biblical. Sunday sacredness being perhaps the biggest! Nowhere to be found in the bible, but always a pagan worship day.

[@coreyfuhrman4570]

Thank you. Hebrews were using these months and constellations before the Babylonian captivity. Please don't let your bias against judeo-christian beliefs cloud logic. They may actually have some truth to pre-babylonian captivity. The Bible has a lot on time/months/dates astronomy and there is plenty of evidence of Hebrew presence in the Palestine area prior to 800BC. You would find it interesting, if you read through the Bible.

[@Darisiabgal7573]

The world ended, hmmm, guess I missed it.

[@dijidal]

The world most definitely started to end in 2012. Mayan Calendar was right indeed. Our planet’s biosphere finally reached its carrying capacity. Right at this moment earth is on its last leg. From here on out it’ll be unlike it’s ever been before.

[@kamion53]

it would be blunt and wrong to say the Mayan Long Count is a Western re-invention, but for the actual Maya's it lost it purpose when the Classic cities ruled by godly kings were abondened in the 10th century. The Long Count had as purpose to connect the actions and achievement of the godly kings with the mythical times of creation. Or more or less with the death and rebirth of the Maizegod. It were only the cities in the Peten region who recorded it, Maya cultures of the Guatemalan highlands did not use it. With the rediscovy of the Mayan ruines the calender recordings were for a century or more the only aspect scientists understood, concluding thereby that Maya's were peaceful worshippers of Time. Where other artifacts showed they were almost in a constant state of war. In the 1950-ties the realisation that those inscriptions actually presented lineages births and acts of war was rejected by the older generation of Mayologists. You could say the stelae with the recording were billboards for kings that boasted almost about themselves like Donald Trump does. Although the idea of Time worship is no longer a part of academic science, it sort of continues to float on in popular science and pseudo-science. Browse the Internet and you find many links between Maya Calendars, spirital healing, astrology, aura reading etc. 2012 as start of a new end or era is completed arbritairy and very much taking something out of context to incorperate it in something New Age-like. When arbritairy choosing a new starting point of and era 9/11 would be a better point, the concept of security and practising war completely changed from that date, one could say the 21th century started at 9/11 like the 20th century started at June 28 1914 when the Austrian crownprince was murdered in Sarajevo. After that nothing was like it had been before.

[@alonzoramirez747]

Ishtar is the same person!! Someone help this "Specialist"

[@Pfhreak]

Nope. That Ishtar = Ēostre/Ostara meme that was going around a few years ago and got unfortunately signal-boosted by Richard Dawkins’ Foundation for Reason and Science is utter bunk. (I'm pretty sure checking the factuality of claims instead of blindly repeating them is something inherent to both reason and science. Oops.) Every blog post advancing this narrative that I've been able to find just regurgitates the counterfactual claims from the meme. Its initial claim that Ishtar was pronounced the same as Easter is ridiculous on its face, and it only goes downhill from there. Beyond the nonsensical pronunciation claim, the two names cannot be linked etymologically. Ishtar comes from the Proto-Semitic ʿAṯtar and was originally a star goddess before the Akkadians conflated her with the Sumerian Inanna, while Ēostre comes from the Proto-Indo-European root for "dawn; east", the same root as Armenian Ayg, Greek Eos, Latin Aurora, Lithuanian Aušra, and Vedic Uṣás-all dawn goddesses. Nowhere are eggs and bunnies associated with Ishtar, whose symbols were instead lions, gates, and eight-pointed stars. (Yes, the meme maker just straight-up lied, and every blog post it spawned is just credulously repeating those lies.) Inanna/Ishtar was never associated with fertility, while Ēostre was never associated with war, justice, nor power. Constantine couldn't have changed the date of the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus to supplant Easter because the name of the festival in question was Pascha, not Easter. They were not, any point in time, the same goddess.

[@RandellBabr-lm5yy]

Huh wait. Till 2024 , you couldn't be more off