Dee Snider Admits Copying Iron Maiden for Twisted Sister Hit!

[@loucontino4804]

Dee speaks of Clive Burr and in my opinion, that man was a very underrated drummer. I love Nikko and I knew of Nikko’s drumming from The Pat Travers Band before Aldridge went in, but Burr was a man who left us too soon. He had some very creative drumming in IM. Though he suffered much with MS, I’m pray he’s at rest now.

[@MonTube2006]

MS?

[@ravenmad9225]

Multiple Sclerosis. Awful thing to have.

[@MonTube2006]

TY

[@Lizard-of-Oz]

I like both, two different eras in Maiden just like Bruce and Paul. I do have to admit, Clive for me, just a different drummer from the most ordinary drummers, just very unique.

[@cjones3093]

Burr was a "One-of". Such a natural and fluid talent. He was a superb drummer, and there's been no one like him since. He had groove, timing, swing, tempo, and style. Kind of like a Bill Ward and a Cozy Powell in one.

[@Kreln1221]

*_Props to Dee for giving props to Clive..._* 🤘😎👍

[@MojoMedicineMan]

He's right about Clive Burr. Maiden knows it and won't deny it, but the "world" doesn't know how important Burr's contribution was.

[@briankerr1932]

Well said 🤘🏻

[@michaelhudson2912]

Nicko changed the band. He played more “around” the beat. Clive was more on the beat. It makes the earlier stuff a little heavier but Nicko’s style opens up the music more.

[@MojoMedicineMan]

@@michaelhudson2912 I didn't knock Nico, nor would I. 🤨

[@michaelhudson2912]

@@MojoMedicineMan I didn't say you did

[@michaelhudson2912]

@@MojoMedicineManI didn't say you did

[@michaelvrckoff6966]

Clive Burr and AJ Pero were my 2 favourite drummers RIP TO BOTH

[@HocusPocusFocus69]

I prefer the Clive Burr era of Maiden. He was so "in the pocket"!

[@angryredninja]

STAY Hungry is one of the greatest album of the 1980's!! That cassette lived in my car's tape player!

[@NameThatSong1]

Hell Yeah! I had the record album with Dee on the cover with the giant ham bone. I thought he was so bad ass looking!

[@DomesticTruther]

Truth

[@robertrobles4028]

Weird fact: Twisted Sisters video of ‘Were not Gonna Take it’ was actually filmed at my high school!😅

[@fromalongtimeago]

Yes, Montebello High but it was for "I wanna rock". "We're not gonna take it" was the one with the dad and the kids house

[@robertrobles4028]

Yes, I confused the two songs. It was ‘I Wanna Rock’ that was filmed at my old high school

[@gigabit9823]

Best Drummer Maiden ever had. Clive Burr.

[@ghastlynavigator]

Clive rules and will always be essential to maidens history but I have to respectfully disagree...Nicko is the greatest and always will be. UP THE IRONS 🤘

[@GingerWaters]

Stay Hungry Album has some sort of magic momentum in it. It still fascinates me like very few albums do.

[@ambre2496]

Dee, my son just discovered your TS hits (35 years after me), he's 11, let's just say we don't go unnoticed when i bring him to school these last days....😂🤘" We're Not Gonna Take It" should be the official song for revolutions ! Cheese from France

[@damiangrimm1430]

I think Dee hits the nail right on the head in regards to Clive Burr. Clive wasn’t your usual Metal drummer. You could go back a little further. Dennis Stratton spoke about suggesting to Clive when he was auditioning for the band about what type of beat to use when they played Phantom of the Opera. I am sure if you listen to recorded stuff before Clive joined you will hear a massive difference

[@dawnpatrol700]

Yeah, I love the song " burning ambition" from 1979, but the drummer on there is awful. His timing is a little off, and the fill-ins are terrible. The guy has no groove. Soundhouse Tapes drummer is horrible too, I think it's the same guy. Strange World early 1978 version, shows how bad he really is. I liked Nicko when he first joined, but lately, since 2003ish, I'm noticing slight timing issues on live recordings

[@damiangrimm1430]

@@dawnpatrol700 It is the same guy on both TSHT and BA. Doug Sampson. Nicko is a fantastic drummer. But even seeing Maiden live in recent years I have noticed his drumming being a little off in places. But, give the guy his due. He isn’t getting any younger, and he did have a stroke recently.

[@dawnpatrol700]

​@@damiangrimm1430Nicko is a great drummer, and his timing issues are short, few and far between. He used to have perfect timing, but as you say, the years have been rough on him

[@MrJacobThrall]

I've always found - as a drummer, playing along with Maiden tracks - that I have to pay more attention to Nicko. I have to learn his parts. But with Clive, I just...play it. You could argue that's because Nicko's the more technical player so he's more challenging to emulate. You could suggest my natural playing style is more like Clive's so he's easier for me to emulate. But it *feels* like it's because Clive's parts were just part of the tune. Like you can sing the guitar or vocal parts back - Clive's drums were like the percussion version of that.

[@Kylor80sMetalFan]

Whether he copied Maiden or not, I have an incredible amount of respect for Dee. He's such a cool musician! 🤘😎🎸🤘

[@213amp]

UP THE IRONS 🤘🤘

[@PUNKinDRUBLIC72]

The first two TS albums were great,Come Out And Play (my first TS album) had some good stuff too!🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@DDDD-of3hv]

I still can't believe Dee used to hang out with my neighbors. we were watching a video one night, he was there to pick up our neighbor, and we as kids were being goofy and he said, you like that huhhh. we were like heck yeah.... we had no idea that was him.... he was so cool. was into motorcycles with me neighbor. he also supported the Handlebar restaurant we used to visit, that Chef Ramsey was at too

[@UncleBobo]

Totally agree. Clive had so many unique and memorable drum grooves. He and Harris meshed perfectly.

[@pistolsscaramanga3437]

As a drummer I never wanna say who’s the greatest, Clive or Nicko, but I grew up listening to Maiden when Nicko McBrain had become the Maiden drummer already in the latter part of the 80’s, and Nicko has been a huge influence on my drumming ever since. But indirectly Clive Burr was also the foundation of that very influence. That said, my favorite Maiden albums are those between 83-88.

[@NealVio]

Spoken like a true song writer - lots of ideas, pick the best ones. You Aced it.

[@MrMaharg65]

He’s always been a straight forward honest talking man - even at their peak in 80’s - he’d be telling it like it is & you just knew he was the real deal 🫡

[@monsterk7603]

What a super interesting, intelligent and friendly dude. I saw TS in 1984 in Albuquerque, NM on the Stay Hungry tour. That is still...to this day...one of the best shows I have ever seen. Mostly because of Dee. He did this "we are all family" speech that I have heard so many front men basically copy verbatim. (Corey Taylor comes to mind) That's not a knock on any of the guys after Dee, as it's a great message and I have always felt that way. Keep the interviews coming!

[@damiangrimm1430]

Hetfield and Dickinson use the “Family” spiel too. Personally, I think it is kind of annoying

[@monsterk7603]

@@damiangrimm1430, I've found it annoying when it feels disingenuous. Maybe I bought it because I was 15 when I heard Dee deliver it. Lol.

[@damiangrimm1430]

@@monsterk7603 Hey Bruce. We are family right? Can you lend me a heap of cash 😆

[@remnantsofasoundblast]

I wanna hear more about writing a song in Jimmy Page's bathroom!!!???!!!😳 🤔 Must have been at his recording studio "Sol Studios" in Berkshire

[@leftymcnally6913]

Clive had feel you can't teach. My absolute favorite drummer of all time

[@diegolatorre6793]

Props to dee for giving props to everyone. Like, kind of a misleading title, it's doesn't sound like a copy, just got some elements. But this is not the way I thought things wen't down, lol.

[@hymefly]

Dee rules because he made great music decades ago and because he is still alive to talk about it.

[@KillerKojak]

Hallowed be thy name is just on another level with Nicko... 2 extreme differents version and Nicko win all the way.... just watching the Abbey road session of..... WOWWWW crazy good drummer... legend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@thebluesrockers]

After bands like Quiet Riot, Twisted Sister and Cinderella, I was damn glad to see bands like Danzig & Metallica hit the scene.

[@madmagyver9981]

Twisted sister gets All of their fame from a single mtv video. They are mediocre at best and comparing them to iron maiden is ridiculous.

[@billwell9266]

... sincerest form of flattery

[@bobthebear1246]

There might be even one case of Iron Maiden copying Twisted Sister: The guitar solo in Maiden's "2 Minutes To Midnight" (1984) sounds an awful lot like the one in TS's "You Can't Stop Rock 'n' Roll" (1983). Play both and compare the two and you will see exactly what I mean.

[@osamaqtaitat]

Not at all lol!! I don’t mind “few” rip offs because it happens even for the greatest, and oc inspiration is essential in creativity and art! But i listened to the song you mentioned, and I don’t find big, clear similarities or matches in that section or any section! Not EVERY similarity in notes you can call it “copying” lol

[@rallypoint1]

I hear a mixture of different bands in that TS solo. Molly Hatchet is one of them. But I was cool to rehear a TSBsong that I hadn’t heard in 40 yrs!!

[@michaelmcdonald3275]

Also took the xmas songl Oh Come All Ye Faithful and made it into We're Not Gonna Take It !

[@Plethora_of_Paucity]

Heavens to Murgatroyd, you’re right! Even the message is similar. Trivia like this is why I come to the comment section.

[@michalyne]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Sadly these days if you imitate you get the pants sued off you by the record labels and their herd of lawyers.

[@ExileOnMyStreet]

Stay Hungry sounds like it was written in 45 minutes.

[@SiberianHusky666]

I think you're confusing that album with the length of time it took Snider to write his movie scripts.

[@vidalpintor4524]

Ride to live sounds like long live rock n roll

[@SuperFreedomRock1]

Stay Hungry was cartoonish MTV fodder really - Under The Blade, IMO, and You Can't Stop Rock n Roll - were much better (the latter being their best IMO). I was always disappointed when Stay Hungry came out as a kid back then - most of the older kids just laughed at them and thought they were a joke (which they were - they didn't take themselves that seriously).

[@TheLordGoat]

Why Clive left IM is still a mystery. It was said his mom died and he flipped out, some said he had problems with Steve.

[@83marceloa]

Drinking issues. He and Adrian had been given a final warning. To make matters worse, Clive's dad passed out.

[@martinkasper197]

Same drinking issues like Paul DiAnno. Steve doesn't like that. Not at rehearsals or concerts...

[@rong5666]

I could be mistaken, I read that Clive was diagnosed with MS, in a middle of a session Clive had troubles holding on to one of the drum stick.

[@TailgunnerATC]

​@@83marceloanever knew adrian had a drinking problem Dave was a big cigarette smoker thk

[@SiberianHusky666]

​@@rong5666 I think you meant Clive was in rehearsal eating a chicken drumstick with one hand and drinking a pint of vodka with the other.

[@mammothenterprises2921]

I saw Twisted Sister open for Maiden.

[@6evil6dead64]

He first said this many, many years ago .

[@Darkjack-FR]

Clive Burr was the man (love Nicko, by the way).

[@iplaypearldrums7935]

They were big on LI.......I wish I saw them @ Hammerheads.

[@toddwilkinson5474]

Clive was indeed awesome - a heavy hitter with groove. I think Clive was Maiden's best drummer. Contrary to what Snider says, Nicko didn't really follow Clive's style. The Nicko songs featured a more technical, progressive style of drumming.

[@craigbrown1672]

Clive was technically good and his style and swing were great. Strange comparison but he and Dave Lombardo are the same rare breed of metal drummers with swing. Dave just did it at 5x the speed

[@straty5598]

Dee gets me scratching my head... I really like him and Twisted had some great songs, but not many. Don't get me wrong Dee says he still does ok receiving money from the rights etc, something I could only dream of but it's always bugged me that he regularly puts Twisted in the same sentence as some truly great bands. I just wonder what goes through his head and JJ for that matter, they were definitely good at times but mostly ok at best.. But hey, he's Dee Snider !!! nobody knows who I am

[@robbiepeterh]

Anyone would think he’s got something to plug with the amount of interviews he’s doing …

[@Sprokey666]

I don't disagree with anything he said. Clive Burr was unique that aside I wanna rock is a twisted sister track through and through regardless of where the inspiration came from

[@AndrewGrey22]

Everybody has their influences. You ain't getting away from them. We are ripping off people the moment we pick up a guitar and strum it because others have done it before us. Nothing new under the sun.

[@amusical12]

G’day, I actually did a classical version of “We’re Not Gonna Take it” on my piano channel. Also Iron Maiden. I must say my version of “We’re Not Gonna Take It” is not “galloping” haha 😂 I think I had more success with “Wasted Years” and “Hallowed Be Thy Name” in a flowing sense. I wanted to do Twisted Sister because it is still relevant today in it’s lyrics with the world today (as is Maiden) Thanks for a great song and many years of rockin’ 💕😘🤘

[@TheHSIHP]

The Price is a good song.

[@fromalongtimeago]

Maiden was better with Clive. Nicko is a good drummer I just can't stand his super tightened, high pitch, drum sound. Clive's drum sound was brown, warmer, and fit Maiden's music better

[@gerardoa.]

I fail to see the resemblance…

[@Plethora_of_Paucity]

I must be honest, I fail with you.

[@BusyAir]

I don't see the connection there and wouldn't even want to know the inspiration behind the crap TS released after SH. OMG, SH:TS, it all makes sense now. They were all fairly decent musicians. A shame they don't have a better body of work.

[@mor4725]

Funny as the Iron Maidon "galop" was copied by Iron Maiden from the band Slowbone. ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/maC6d3p-brWMrM0 ). All bands are inspired by others. :)

[@kevsta67]

drummers always get left out on the song writing credits....unless the band members are stand up guys.some b.s. about you can't copywrite drums,only lyrics and music/melodies.

[@gonogazz]

Dee Snider wish he could copy Iron Maiden..Or any other good band..:)

[@cbr9914]

the metal/maiden gallop is a disco bass line. dun dugga dun dugga dun dugga dun dugga dun dugga dun

[@anthonylove821]

No that’s the bat man anthem your doing. 😂

[@martinkasper197]

I was made for lovin' you was a Disco line...

[@cbr9914]

@@martinkasper197 dun dugga dun dugga dun dugga dun dugga dun.....the maiden gallop is a chic bassline with a different drum beat. so is i was made for lovin you

[@osamaqtaitat]

What does this mean???

[@cbr9914]

@@osamaqtaitat say it out loud

[@kermitthehermit9588]

Master of the cheese 🧀

[@ColtraneTaylor]

Di'anno, Harris, Murray, Smith, Stratton and Burr (yeah it's six) was the best Iron Maiden. But 80s and 90s with Bruce and Blaze were great too. This century? *POOP!*

[@guins99]

Twisted Sister should not ever be spoke of in the same sentence with Iron Maiden. Like comparing spam to a T bone steak.

[@michaelstephen819]

Not sure about the accuracy of the Clive / Nicko thing. Many insiders say that Nicko conspired to get Clive out of the band so he could get on drums. Either way, Clive was WAY superior to Nicko, who plays the same pattern on almost every Maiden song.

[@Stufftowatch21]

I like Clive drumming better. Nicko is good but he plays the hell of the ride too much .

[@davel7791]

"Many insiders" say that, eh? Sounds like BS. I've never heard anyone say that. Steve fired Clive because for Steve's reasons. The tight connection that Steve wanted just wasn't there. Steve likes Nicko because they're totally locked into one another.

[@damiangrimm1430]

Nicko admits being on Maidens payroll during the Beast world tour when the band were having problems with Clive. I do actually suspect that Nicko may have been angling for the job, but it is well documented that the band were having problems with Clive

[@rhamphorhynchusmetal2038]

There's no fault really... cause almost everyone has copied Irons

[@alanfrost75]

Saw Twisted Sister at Copenhell a few years ago. Like every other metalhead, I knew their big hits, but not their actual body of work since it is a little too soft for me. They drew in a crowd on par with the biggest headliners (like Maiden, Metallica, Ozzy, etc.). It has to undoudedtly rank as one of the top 5 worst concerts I have ever seen. Every song sounded similar, just not as catchy as their big hits. When he got to "We aint gonna take it", he drew it out for 15 minutes. I have never seen a concert haemorrhage audience members like this. By the time we left, maybe 3/4 of the way through (and we only stayed because at this stage we were laughing our ass off), there was a bottleneck traffic jam of people trying to escape. So yeah... the 45 minute thing does not surprise me one bit.

[@LDN76]

Gremlins rule. I dont respect people wearing sunglasses inside.

[@kevinbrown1893]

I'll bet Iron Maiden got their inspiration from the Lone Ranger theme. They're just triplets. I saw Twisted Sister open for Maiden on the World Slavery tour in 1985, and I distinctly recall Snider telling us kids to "go home and kill your parents tonight." I wished I had listened to him.

[@KellyRempel-e2k]

I seen that tour in Calgary with Twisted opening great show

[@bobthebear1246]

Are you effing sick?!?

[@Duck_Dodgers]

This man could never even come close to writting anything close to maiden. Twisted sister is basically another kiss

[@nobody5228]

So so wrong....

[@bobthebear1246]

They were much heavier than Kiss.

[@Duck_Dodgers]

@@nobody5228 what you think any of their songs are even close to maiden You're living in a fantasy world

[@nobody5228]

@@Duck_Dodgers taste is subjective.

[@TheMahonj]

@@Duck_DodgersIf you think Maiden has ever had as big of a hit song as Twisted Sister, you’re living in a fantasy world too. I’m not a die-hard of Twisted or Maiden, but I’d rather listen to Twisted 9/10 times.

[@thomasgiglia6260]

Twisted Sister was a great band when they played in the tri state area clubs. Stay Hungry was a sellout for there long term fans. Come Out and Play was worse.

[@rodneyadderton1077]

I have yet to meet the woman that is worth staying that long with. Not the women I have known.

[@godsinbox]

I get trump vibes

[@dkpitt3912]

He has gotten a lot of mileage out of WNGTI. He hasn’t done anything of any musical worth since then, and frankly when Scorpions are your competitors, what they did was amateurish. Not even in the same league

[@SiberianHusky666]

I don't trust any guy who refuses to show his eyes while speaking.

[@evanmurphey]

Dee is cool like that, he can do what he pleases

[@gabedom_]

"Sunglasses indoors" is such a douchebag look..... except for bona fide rock stars. Everyone else, ya look fuckin stupid.

[@fbomb7184]

@@evanmurpheyDee hasn’t been cool in 30 some odd years.

[@bobthebear1246]

Trust me...he looks WAY better that way.

[@friendlessharold330]

Yeah ray charles should take off his glasses just for you mate. Pff

[@b.g.5869]

"I Wanna Rock" doesn't sound anything like Maiden.

[@baker749]

Shame he sold out.

[@MrGrand2000]

One of the cheesiest least talented bands of the 80s

[@michaelstephen819]

Interesting how Americans always look to the UK and Europe for inspiration. Metallica and NWOBHM? Early Hollywood directors, actors and script-writers to European artists and photographers? And Americans have the gall to accuse Asian industries of being copy-cats!

[@Alex-wf4px]

Very true, and don't forget, Americans will take your stuff, re-write history, and say everybody else copied them.

[@TANTRUMGASM]

Nah, you got it backwards kiddo,...you must not know much about Rock music.......Americans dont care about british art / culture/ politics / food most british musicians actually WORSHIP american music. ..obviously... .... Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, , Cream, Clapton, Elton John, Jeff Beck, Kinks , Ros Stewart , Queen Animals , joe Cocker, the who, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, pink floyd, clash, sex pistols.....all were HEAVILY influenced by americans...they copied americans on most early albums....lol.... pretty common knowledge in the music world. And Fender Guitars, Gibson Guitars, Fender Amps, all made in USA , played by brits.....name a great british guitar?? LOLOL .(marshall copied Fender amps) Rock n Roll is an american creation, the british are the actual Copy cats. look how many songs the brits write about america !! lololol I can easily name a dozen ,(bowie, beatles, stones, Elton, Led Zeppelin, animals, clash, supertramp) but not many americans sing about foggy, depressing london, lololol, (zevon....) British artists are infatuated with the USA. ..all the beatles married Americans...lololol pretty obvious my work here is done.lol Cheers From Rome Italy !

[@TANTRUMGASM]

@@Alex-wf4px Americans dont care about british art / culture/ politics / food most british musicians actually WORSHIP american music. ..obviously... .... Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, , Cream, Clapton, Elton John, Jeff Beck, Kinks , Ros Stewart , Queen Animals , joe Cocker, the who, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, pink floyd, clash, sex pistols.....all were HEAVILY influenced by americans...they copied americans on most early albums....lol.... pretty common knowledge in the music world. And Fender Guitars, Gibson Guitars, Fender Amps, all made in USA , played by brits.....name a great british guitar?? LOLOL .(marshall copied Fender amps) Rock n Roll is an american creation, the british are the actual Copy cats. look how many songs the brits write about america !! lololol I can easily name a dozen ,(bowie, beatles, stones, Elton, Led Zeppelin, animals, clash, supertramp) but not many americans sing about foggy, depressing london, lololol, (zevon....) British artists are infatuated with the USA. ..all the beatles married Americans...lololol pretty obvious my work here is done.lol Cheers From Rome Italy !

[@secretlee-bf3kl]

What do British Boys Freddie Mercury, Rob Halford, Elton John, George Michael, David Bowie, Pet Shop Boys, Boy George, Marc Almond, Andy Bell, the Smiths, what do these British boys all have in common? Answer : they all attended all boys schools . no girls. . That explains alot about UK men.

[@hotlanta35]

@michaelstephen819 Elvis blows away all that gay Brit music that came after so go stuff it

[@sparrowhawk3216]

Trans- promoter, nothing more

[@Spockthinks]

Sunglasses inside or on your head is so douche. I won’t speak to a person who wears sunglasses unless is outside and SUNNY!

[@bobthebear1246]

Boy, you must be a lot of fun at parties. 🙄

[@Spockthinks]

@@bobthebear1246 I throw the parties bro

[@luiskern8910]

@@Spockthinks yea, and nobody shows up

[@Spockthinks]

@@luiskern8910 they sure do. Nice try keyboard tough guy. I’m sure you are wonderful. Look, don’t wear SUN Glasses inside or you are stoopid

[@MrFatgoblin]

I don't think people are lining up to speak to you either dude lol

[@Pamplemousse82322]

Clive Burr buried Nicko. Destroys him. Listen to The Trooper on Live After Death, his meter is all over the place.

[@bobthebear1246]

You're so wrong. Nicko's a more technical drummer than Clive was.

[@Pamplemousse82322]

@@bobthebear1246 Please tell me how.

[@LarrySmithart]

I absolutelt hate iron maiden

[@briancarr4607]

I hate your spelling ? 😂

[@osamaqtaitat]

@@briancarr4607🤣

[@hotlanta35]

She is more into Beyoncé