Solid Video man. Realistic and clear to understand. I appreciate you taking the time to make it.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Fueled Iowa you are most welcome! :-)
@nomadherper3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful analysis. Thanks Anthony! I often shoot deep parabolic for two reasons... the first is the catch light. For me round handily beats a specular stop sign. The second? I found that if I push the diffusion back into the parabolic I can indeed narrow the spread front diffusion creates. That versatility comes in handy when I'm trying to control fall-off.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
@nomadherper super helpful comment! Thanks for providing your insight, I very much appreciate it!
@claudemusic3599 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, bro! I like your serious attitude in doing the serious experiment and test. This is so helpful. I have seen what I hope to see, and I have made up my mind.
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
This is music to my ears @claudemusic3599, this is why I make these sorts of videos. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Good day to ya.
@chafrewilcha3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a really great tutorial, Anthony. I'm glad I caught this before I make my purchase today! I'm a subscriber.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
Very much appreciated @Charles William. I'm glad this video was helpful. Out of curiosity, what are you looking to buy??
@monsterwerksvideo3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! A ez glow parabolic soft box came with my AD600 and I didn't understand its purpose so haven't used it. I like the gradient with the parabolic vs. the octa in your tests though, so I'll try it out. Your video has been the only helpful one on this topic, thank you for your time.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@monsterwerksvideo I agree, I like the gradient from the deep para more, but I will say sometimes the deep para is a pain to work with, especially outdoors. But I love the modifier and use it pretty regularly. Thank you for watching and for the kind words, it's much appreciated.
@An22622 жыл бұрын
Thank you Anthony for that analysis. It definitely helps!
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome @guidinglightfilms! Thanks for stopping by!
@edgarcabrera61322 жыл бұрын
Good honest review. I too was on the fence of getting a Deep para but after watching this I don't think I need one. I've got the Glow 45 degree long throw if I need to concentrate my light. Thanks for the video!
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
In hindsight @Edgar Cabrera I likely wouldn't have ordered as many deep para's as I did if I knew this info back then. Sure, the light spread is a little smoother with the deep para but I really haven't noticed the difference much in real world use versus aiming it at a cinderblock wall. Thanks for stopping by!
@lymancopps59572 жыл бұрын
A very revealing comparison. Thanks so much for making this video.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found this video helpful @Lyman Copps. I do plan to do more vids like this, as this is the type of stuff I love, lol. #technerd
@darkreigncometh3 жыл бұрын
I think we've all purchased equipment that did live up to our expectations. Thank you for dropping the knowledge.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@darkreigncometh ain't that the truth! Live and learn haha. Appreciate you watching!
@infamismworldwild6248 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making these tests,so informative
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
You are most welcome @Infamism WorldWild, I appreciate you watching.
@MontenegroRealEstate3 жыл бұрын
Beautifully illustrated and explained. Thanks
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@ntRealty - Montenegro Real Estate Professionals thank you very much! I appreciate your kind words!
@DanielSarli2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Anthony, very well explained!
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
You're most welcome @Daniel Sarli.
@hwphotography17312 жыл бұрын
Great video! They’re definitely heavy and take up a lot of horizontal space. I wanted an easy setup option but, I’ve realized that a DEEP para wasn’t necessary for my needs. I mostly bought it for versatility but, it’s weight is a big issue.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
@HW Photography weight is the main reason I don't use mine much, especially on location. For the minimal variance you get in light output and quality, it usually isn't worth the hassle of setting it up, counter weighting it, and having a stand and light durable enough to withstand the weight. I've since replaced all the sizes of my deep paras with regular octas.
@art_by_adrian29133 жыл бұрын
Man this is quality information I can't wait to say I was here before your channel blows up youndeserrve it thanks for the info
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Art_by _Adrian2 thank you kindly! If I would be more consistent with posting, maybe my channel would be bigger lol. At the end of the day I do this to help people, so all is good either way. I appreciate you watching and commenting.
@art_by_adrian29132 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife absolutely and you definitely should have a much bigger channel I'm still trying to figure out which I should get lol it's going to be glow I just don't know if it should be the deep or the regular
@jimwlouavl3 жыл бұрын
I just love these tests. Thanks for doing and sharing them. It’s a tremendous service to the photography community.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Jim Worthington me too, lol. I'll definitely be doing more of these this year!
@pagpapaitim Жыл бұрын
definitely needed this info. thanks for the demo!
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
You are most welcome @Pagpapaitim! Thank you for watching and commenting.
@octaviowarnock-graham6102 Жыл бұрын
Great Video, the test really helped me understand the difference between both lights.
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that @octaviowarnock-graham6102! Side note, your handle has to be the longest one I've seen yet. ;-)
@kevinfranklin638211 ай бұрын
This test was fantastic!! I'm looking at going with the EZ 36" with diffusion. Been using the Godox 24"-fold-out square modifier for years. Does not look like I need to worry about deep parabolic at this point! Thanks again
@AnthonyToglife11 ай бұрын
The 36” is my go-to these days! Definitely forgo the deep para’s, there’s not enough difference in the light output or pattern to justify the added weight, especially once you move up to the larger sizes!
@tommydaynjer53342 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I was just looking at a parabolic or a strip box as my next purchase (I already own an octabox) this definitely helped a ton!
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
This is what I like to hear @Tommy Daynjer, I appreciate you watching and commenting, and I'm glad the video was helpful.
@clarenceconner24692 жыл бұрын
Your video confirms my suspicions. Thanks!
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
You're most welcome @Clarence Conner, glad it was helpful.
@WednesdayRaven3 жыл бұрын
Bold and daring video. Loys of hard work, i like it! Subcribed !
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@WednesdayRaven thank you kindly, very much appreciate you watching and commenting. These types of videos definitely take a lot of time and effort to make. But, I definitely plan to do more vids like this.
@photo2000 Жыл бұрын
Very well done!! this shows exactly that with diffusion, it really doesn't matter how deep you modifier is, the light spread once the light passes through last layer of diffusion will be the same. Excellent display! This test also showed how the outer shape of the modifier will influence shape of falloff. So takeaway is, if you did want to use a modifier with no diffusion, or single layer of internal diffusion... then depth of modfier will have an influence of spread of light. However, if you always use outer diffusion material, then there is negligible difference, and for ease of use, it would be best to use a more compact style. Thanks Anthony
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Thank you @Photo, I very much appreciate the comment.
@TheNettforce2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this test and sharing, much appreciated
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome @Brian Nett. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@TheNettforce2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife I ended up getting an octabox based on your comparison thanks again
@photographybydash3 жыл бұрын
I just ordered a 38 deep parabolic. Great Information and video. Thank you 💪🏽
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Photography by Dash I definitely enjoy using mine, I use it all the time, but it's heavy especially if you boom it. I'm likely going to buy a 48" octa for times when I'm outdoors and need something lighter and more portable.
@photographybydash3 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife Good to know. Once again thank you for the information!
@chloeya.m.94232 жыл бұрын
OOoooh I'm only 20 seconds in and I'm already hitting subscribe. Thank you for delving into this!
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Well that settles it @Chloey A.M., I have to keep making content like this so your subscribership is worth your while! ;-) Thank you for the support.
@chloeya.m.94232 жыл бұрын
Yess! Thank you so much,@@AnthonyToglife
@deseanmayes69773 жыл бұрын
I just saw Karl video first then saw your video 2mins later!!! New sub bro!!!!!!!!!
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@desean mayes appreciate it my man. More vids to come!
@georgieuris2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much. i find this test very useful
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome @Georgie Uris, I'm glad you found this vid useful.
@VWorldWide3 жыл бұрын
What's up Man. Man I have been busy .gotta catch up on some videos. Been looking at some better lighting. Nice video man .i learn something from every one of your videos.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@V WorldWide definitely been a minute since I've heard from ya. Glad to have you back. :-)
@lecouriellecouriel27682 жыл бұрын
Very informative, thanks for this video
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Thank you @lecouriel lecouriel, I appreciate you watching and commenting.
@RickLincoln Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing all of this work for us!!! I understand that you are comparing the two types of softbox, but what I notice is how smoothly your light falls off while using a speedlight and the deflector plate in both modifiers. I'm an old guy still clinging to my monobloc's. More and more though, I'm finding use for speedlights. Great test and well presented. Subscribed!
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much @Rick P and welcome! Speedlights and flashes like the AD200 are definitely where it’s at, can’t be the portability.
Thank you so much @Krishna Prasas Khandige, I appreciate the kind words!
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much @Krishna Prasas Khandige, I appreciate the kind words!
@geraldhewes2 жыл бұрын
Very practical review. Thanks
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Thank you @gerald hewes, I appreciate you watching and commenting.
@idphua3 жыл бұрын
Love ur work! Keep it up! All the way from Asia!
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@jaderiver I very much appreciate your comment, thank you very much!!
@stuffwarrensez Жыл бұрын
I only bought the 48” deep para from glow because it was bigger than my 43” beauty dish. But the light quality is nearly identical with the baffle and diffusers in. The only benefit is being able to get a little farther away when I’m using Rembrandt lighting. One of these days they’re going to make a 7’ beauty dish and then I’ll finally be happy. 🤣
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
That would be a big beauty dish @stuffwarrensez LOL, but yeah, the marginal gains from the deep octa are definitely outweighed by the size and weight. My deep para's are pretty much my "throw away" modifiers now.
@aniketshete573810 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot sir 🙏 total details. Love it
@AnthonyToglife10 ай бұрын
You are most welcome! Thank you for watching and commenting.
@TheSunnySuttons Жыл бұрын
Shooting outside, i think the Glow ParaSnap is definitely the way to go. I did think the parabolic might act like a long throw reflector and therefore increase the light output although it did look a bit brighter. Great video as alway brother!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
I’ll have to test to see if the deep para throws light further, in usage I don’t know that I’ve seen that, but I haven’t paid much attention. I appreciate you commenting and making me think. 🙂
@CucumberandCoProduction Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this upload.
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
You are most welcome @Earl Muncy!
@tomjamison31263 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! I was just about to pull the trigger on the 38" Glow deep para for my AD300. I've been wondering about the weight though. Your test really helps, so now I'm going to think it through a little bit more.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Tom Jamison it's definitely a heavier modifier and although I don't really have a problem when using it, I would certainly choose a similar size regular octabox over it if I had it at my disposal. But, I do like having the versatility of using it without diffusion if I'm going for a more edgy look so I'm still happy I have it. And sometimes I prefer the round catchlight versus the octagonal shape.
@joshmcdzz69252 жыл бұрын
Was about to pull the trigger on a 48" deep parabolic softbox after watching Karl's video 2 days back but you just saved me from doing it.. I guess I can still achieve the same focused beam of light from my 48" octobox using a diffuser and grid.. Thanks alot man..waiting for another podcast with you and Ryan..
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
@josh McDzz if I knew then what I knew now, I wouldn't have bought mine. For my style of shooting there really is minimal, minimal benefits in using the deep para, and a lot more negatives that makes it impractical. I usually use it when I'm in a location where it could possibly be damaged (heavy winds or I'm going to put it somewhere precarious); that way my feelings won't be hurt if something does happen to it. :-D
@matrixate Жыл бұрын
exactly. i noticed using diffusion and rid on dish softboxes give similar results as deep parabolics.
@izigambash652511 ай бұрын
Thanks for this great video. The use of inner diffuser and strobe introduce new variables but probably your conclusions would remain the same.
@AnthonyToglife11 ай бұрын
I’ve actually tested these modifiers with the inner diffuser and it has near no impact on the light when combined with the deflector plate. Without the deflector plate, it does help to reduce the center hotspot. So these days I just use the plate and outer only. The inner diffusers on the Glow modifiers are such a pain to unbutton, I’m glad it worked out this way.
@billjohnson33233 жыл бұрын
Hi Anthony, Great stuff. I watched the Karl Taylor vid some time ago. Now maybe I'm confusing it with another karl taylor one. This is one where the light was reversed and pointed into the parabolic modifier and could be adjusted anywhere from all the way in to all the way out. He also made the point that if it were a true Parabola the bounce would be very specific and different. I have a 4' cheetah with the adjustable device that they call a chopstick. Heavy but I love the options it provides.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Bill Johnson I believe all true parabolics have the light facing inward; it's necessary to be able to "zoom" the light. I personally have not seen a deep parabolic modifier that was marketed as being a true parabola or functioning as such, so while I can somewhat understand his frustration with the marketing, they really aren't marketing it as a true parabolic. But still, although I like my deep para's, they're heavy and most times the light quality doesn't offset the hassle of using a heavy modifier, especially on location or outdoors.
@oneeyedphotographer Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife That makes sense.
@sondp3 жыл бұрын
smooth, nice one 👊🏾
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@SY big ups, thank you!
@mr.continuity2 жыл бұрын
NEEEDDED this video my guy. thank you
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
You're most welcome @Mr. Continuity.
@munirone3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the scientific approach :-)
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
;-)
@rohin2k2 жыл бұрын
Not bad though- considering deep para acts like a large reflector and gives you more room to keep it further from your subject (without diffuser). Additionally you get better shaped catchlights :) Well done and thanks for doing the comparison!
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
You're most welcome @rohin2k, thank you for watching and commenting!
@reginaldwalton Жыл бұрын
Great video and as you mentioned, the good thing with the Glow series of modifiers, you aren't charged an "upcharge" for one or the other. I wish I had known about the Glow brand a couple of years ago when I purchased the Westcott brand - could have saved some major coins. But I did just purchase some glow strip boxes and love that fact that you don't have to pay extra for the plate or the egg crates. I do like my Westcott Rapid Boxes, but had I known...IJS
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I got lucky in that I found the Glow line right at the start of the pandemic when I was looking to expand my modifier gear set, then I went crazy and bought way too many, lol. I was absolutely floored to see what some of these other companies are charging for something as simple as a cheap fabric grid, it's insane.
@reginaldwalton Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife LOL same here. I went from zero Glow modifiers to 5 in just one day.
@smartintech23 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that useful video.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@smartintech you're most welcome! Thank you for watching.
@stockiezen2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so soo soooo much! Glad you did them
@stockiezen2 жыл бұрын
Now I have a strong point to claim that
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
You're most welcome @Khairul Azhar Ramil. I'm actually in the process of doing a part two, as one of my subscribers wondered if there would be a difference using a bare bulb or round head.
@hdrsmit3 жыл бұрын
thanks for taking the time to do this testing. i do think you should have said more about how a deep para is by definition ADJUSTABLE and when it's not (as is the case for all the cheap ones trying to capitalize on the word "para"), they are simply heavier softboxes. period. similar to how the word "beauty dish" has now been applied to softboxes, as they are not true beauty dishes that throw hard lighting. at least in this case they are usually lighter than a real beauty dish :-). i think the key point to all this is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. there are NO "do everything" modifiers, no matter what the company decides to call them :-)
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@hdrsmit I appreciate your comment. The intent of my video wasn't really to outline the specifics of either modifier, it was specifically to look at the quality of light from the two, because I bought deep para's with the thought that the light would be more directional and smaller spread. Nonetheless, I welcome feedback like this.
@MitchGaar2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I just subscribed
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated @Mitch Gaar! There will be a lot more content like this coming in 2022!
@TheSunnySuttons Жыл бұрын
interesting....great job brother!!!! 😍😍😍😍
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much @TheSunnySuttons, much appreciated!
@AnastasiaRayChannel3 жыл бұрын
Interesting tests, Im curious if you could get the same results as the parabolic from the octabox with a grid and how putting a grid on both of them affects the light. Maybe in that case the octabox would prove to be more versatile..
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Anastasia Ray I'm thinking a grid would neutralize the two and there wouldn't be a discernible difference between them, but I'll have to play around with them and see.
@kennypringle45803 жыл бұрын
I like your videos and the way you explain your topics. I’ve only seen 2 but I’ll subscribe to you now. Parabolickness is not a word😂😂😂👍
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Kenny Pringle let me enjoy my made-up words, lol. I appreciate you watching and commenting, and I look forward to uploading more content you'll hopefully enjoy as much.
@boftx1 Жыл бұрын
Very informative!
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Thank you @boftx1, very much appreciated.
@holdmyown323 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about buying one of these before Karl's video, appreciate the video further confirming what Karl said. I rarely if ever shoot undiffused so I wouldn't benefit from a deep parabolic.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Jose Lara yeah, I wouldn't buy any more deep para's myself, and the ones I have to kinda use as "throw away" modifiers, don't really care if they get damaged or whatever.
@holdmyown323 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife I just ordered a 24” beauty dish, I got silver I feel like I should have gotten white though. I’ll probably order a white one as well lol
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@@holdmyown32 ya know, I personally don't see a HUGE difference between the two when they're both diffused. I know people say the silver produces a more specular light and very faintly I can see it at times, but I think having the silver offers more versatility (can shoot with no diffusion for a punchy, specular light). But it doesn't hurt to have both really.
@wallacebarnett92083 жыл бұрын
The one thing I noticed about my 38 para is when you keep the grid on it the images seem more contrasty.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Wallace Barnett a grid will do that. I personally don't care much for the contrasty look of grids so I don't use them unless I absolutely need to control the spread of light.
@waynecrev17793 жыл бұрын
Good Stuff. Thank you!
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
Thank you @Wayne Crev, I appreciate you watching.
@deltadave443 жыл бұрын
my biggest takeaway is that I can have my light (28" para) 5 feet away from the model before I get light spill on the ground...which will come in handy when the ambient light is at a minimum
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@deltadave44 good takeaway. ;-) Of course the height of the light plays a factor but definitely good thinking outside the (soft)box. :-D
@AlBlountDotCom Жыл бұрын
Dope video! suuuuuper helpful! what flash did you use?
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Thank you @Al Blount DotCom! I used a Yongnuo YN-560III, which I still have and use to this day from time to time.
@shlomihaggai65053 жыл бұрын
love the test, thanks
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@shlomi haggai most welcome, more to come like this.
@Dstonephoto6 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I think where things become interesting is when you introduce fresnel lenses into the equation , especially larger ones that are massive that would cover the entire diameter of the modifier. Crazy these don’t exist as they would significantly reduce spill and maintain power output. However…. I do wonder how much light is attenuated as a result of the reflections inside the modifier and as distance increases. Dan Rojas of Green Power Science made one softbox using a rectangular TV fresnel- the science checks out- and the results were stunning.
@AnthonyToglife5 ай бұрын
Well, there's definitely a noticeable difference in light pattern, quality, and softness when using true parabolic modifiers, especially ones with the movable rod, so I'm sure adding a fresnel to the mix would have a noticeable difference as well.
@karlweb1 Жыл бұрын
Great video Thanks for sharing I personally have not used them but a lot of the glow products look bulky. I jumped into the profoto system and their octa’s are great. I do a lot of high school sports and I can pack light and still have exactly what I need. I also live in a mountain town and those things would be sails on most days. How does it do in the wind for you?
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
@Karl Mullings I would say the Glow modifiers aren't any more bulky than other Bowens mount modifiers, but that Bowens mount in general is definitely bulky. It's very difficult to travel with most of my Glow modifiers, unfortunately. With it being super windy here in Vegas many days, I tend to do the opposite of what most people would think, and I use bigger octa's. The bigger size, maybe surprisingly, handles better in the wind than my smaller modifiers. Of course I have to weight down the stands regardless. I do think I'm going to invest in some more portable gear that I can use when I travel, or just need to pack light for a local gig.
@dilr81903 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your video and data points. My take away is the para w/ diffuser has a softer drop off (which I like), but is heavier and outputs less light than the octa. Do you have any opinion or sample shots of a white versus silver para?
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Dil R I would say your takeaway is solid. I unfortunately don't have any modifiers with white lining as I like the versatility of silver.
@michaellekas272 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Anthony. You definitely answered my questions. But what if you use an umbrella ( 48/60 inch) silver interior with a diffuser, how does this compare?
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Thank you @michael lekas. I don't own any silver-lined umbrella's so I can't test this but I honestly don't feel it would differ much from a regular octabox, especially at that size.
@jasonbodden88163 жыл бұрын
Great vid.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Jason Bodden thank you good sir!
@debasischakraborty36932 жыл бұрын
Very much helpful 🤠
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that @Debasis Chakraborty, I appreciate you watching and commenting.
@kirkdarling41209 ай бұрын
Good proof of concept. If the diffusion screen is truly effective (no hot spots) then what's going on behind the screen is irrelevant.
@AnthonyToglife9 ай бұрын
True indeed! 💪🏾
@svamptrask9133 жыл бұрын
My guess is that a parabolic softbox distrubute the light more evenly. It would probably be more of a difference without the reflector in front of the beam of light. This would perhaps make a difference if the softbox is put close to the subject. A way to test this would be to take photos into the softboxes at low exposure.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Svamp Träsk without the reflector there would most definitely be a hotspot in the center and the light spread likely would change. I personally think the light spread/falloff is a TAD smoother with the deep para with diffusion, but I really think it's splitting hairs.
@donovanj88403 жыл бұрын
Awesome job ...
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Donovan J thank you good sir, much appreciated.
@xXadambXx2 жыл бұрын
Hello, maybe you will be able to advise me: I am looking for a modifier that will give me a wide, slightly contrasting light. I tested parabolic umbrellas (unfortunately I will not fit a real parabola in my) and the light was too contrasting, and I do not know if putting a diffuser on such an umbrella would make it equal to a softbox. is it better to buy a larger softbox? I'm making (amateur)fashion/ portrait photos of the whole character
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
@Adam B let's dive into this a little bit, what causes contrast in lighting? Specularity and hardness, and both of those things are caused by either small or low-diffused light sources. I personally think an umbrella with a sock (diffusion material over the opening of the umbrella) provides a LOT of flexibility (and portability) in achieving a contrasty look. Silver interior modifiers will also help to add a little punch. The umbrellas I have are great at providing a punchy light even when using them with a sock. Something like this (www.adorama.com/gluel41s.html) would be great at achieving the look you're describing. Can you provide me some sample photos of what you've tested thus far?
@zfreek983 жыл бұрын
Anthony.. any thoughts on inner diffusion panel vs both diffusion panels with a deep para box?
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@KBrianR my apologies for the delayed response. To be frank, I don't always notice a difference between one diffusion versus two. I know when I've done some controlled testing there is indeed a difference but in real world, there's so many other variables that sometimes the differences are quite negligible. My general rule is that I use both unless I need maximum light output, in which I only use the outer to maximize my light output.
@bigbrooklyn253 жыл бұрын
Just purchased an ad600 from adorama and it came with a 48” glow ez lock parabolic box
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@bigbrooklyn25 you should be able to create some AMAZING images with that setup!!
@davidparker69442 жыл бұрын
I just purchased a Parabolix 30 modifier because I plan on using it without diffusion and I want the longer throw the light creates. I also want to use the light for paramount or butterfly lighting and I like the added specularity and the more light it puts in the model eyes and the punchier more contrasty light. I have been using a Elinchrom 70 cm deep octa with diffusion as a key light for the last 3-4 years but I plan on replacing it with the parabolix 30.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
@David Parker I had to search this modifier because I had never heard of it and it appears these are true parabolic modifiers, yes? The price point is MUCH more pleasing than that of Broncolor or similar, lol. Maybe at some point in the future I'll buy a true parabolic and see if it does anything for me. Thanks for commenting!
@daylanbrawley6319 ай бұрын
@@AnthonyToglifeI have the parabolix 45, the hard-yet-soft light it produces is LOVELY
@danielbowers34233 жыл бұрын
I have a Glow Deep Parabolic softbox. The torque certainly is troublesome because the center of gravity is farther from the axis of rotation, but is it actually heavier?
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Bowers close to a 2lb difference between the Glow 48" deep para and 48" octa. Equates to almost double the weight, which when adding in the torque you mentioned above, it's quite a significant difference.
@danielzurakowski63583 жыл бұрын
My conclusion is that the point @Karl Taylor is trying to make in his videos about Broncolor parabolic modifiers is that they provide specific QUALITY of light on a subject lit by them. Your video, on the other hand, shows how modifiers focus/spread the light, which is a great addition to the general knowledge about how a different shape and/or structure of a modifier affects the light. I'm still having a hard time deciding what shape, size and type my next light modifier will be, but your video made this decision one step closer to make ;) As it comes to those "so called" parabolic modifiers, I guess it is more about them having more edges (typically 16 vs. 8 in standard octaboxes) - the best example to prove that it's a marketing catchword is the "parabolic umbrella" that in reality has nothing to do with a parabola, those are just more rounded (vide 16 edges) ;)
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Żurakowski I dunno man, I think he really hates modifiers labeled as parabolic when they're not true parabolic lolol.
@danielzurakowski63583 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife Might be so ;) but still - as I've seen someone else's video comparing Broncolor Para with Briese Focus and something from Profoto (if I remember it right) - those light modifiers (Broncolor Para) really outperform everything else in terms of the light quality on a model (and of course - everything is a matter of personal taste, after all ;) ).
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@@danielzurakowski6358 is Broncolor paying you?! ;-) Just kidding, it ultimately does come down to personal taste.
@Trinitymedia32 жыл бұрын
Hey great video…..one question was it single or double diffused ?
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Thank you @Antaeus Stewart! I’m pretty sure single diffused with the plate, because that’s all the octa could do.
@RayValdezPhotography3 жыл бұрын
i got a broncolor 222 recently. with the diffuser it is like an octa, probably with no hotspot if you defocus. without a diffuser i have to learn how to use it. if you defocus all the light is on the outer edges of the para so it is a bit weird to use. especially if you shoot on an angle.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Ray Valdex Photography ohhhh so you spendin' that big money! ;-)
@RayValdezPhotography3 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife it was on sale. even though i had to spend a fortune just to get it to work right since i have profoto, then a godox
@gentleman06783 жыл бұрын
I purchased the para 133, during their annual Sale and love it!!! But I also bought the move 1200, I think it’s a great mix. Profoto doesn’t work to well with it.
@RayValdezPhotography3 жыл бұрын
@@gentleman0678 I got a godox ad1200. Seems to work better now
@kamikamieu2 жыл бұрын
Hey Anthony, Godox just released a parabolic reflector that is a literal copy of Broncolor’s Para series. You might want to check it out.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
I've seen it and have watched some vids on it, looks to be pretty solid but way too pricey for my needs. Appreciate the heads up!
@silva1111123 жыл бұрын
Exellent Video!!!!!!!!!!!
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@edgar jimenez thank you very much!
@rockj81973 жыл бұрын
The goal of a softboxes is homogeneity at the front diffusion panel (parabolic reflectors goal is not homogeneity). Even light. No hotspot. It seems a deeper profile would accomplish this easier and accomplishing this in a shallower profile would need better geometry. I'd like to see a test of how well different diffusers accomplish this. That is what determines how good a softboxes is and if it's performing as it's meant to. Thanks for your hard work!
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@R J Photo although I agree with what you've said, I would argue the geometry of the modifier would play a much bigger role in homogeneity than the front diffuser. I think even the best diffusion material out there would still suffer from hotspots when used on a poorly designed modifier.
@rockj81973 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife Ahh, yes. My statement wasn't about the diffuser's front panel material it was different diffusers meaning different octoboxes/softboxes as light diffusers. I could have been more succinct. I expect an expensive broncolor softbox to diffuse light better than a glow diffuser. I expect they put more resources into the product to ensure that the light output at the front panel is homogeneous as their discerning customers would demand. And glow, less so ( Fyi-I buy Glow). I'd love to see a test of that. Would you, too? You rock for getting back to me quickly!
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@@rockj8197 ya know, I think there's a line between quality and name tax. Take for example Apple (and disclaimer, I'm an Apple user), but their products, albeit good, are arguably overpriced for what you get. But the designs are modern and the ecosystem is stellar so we pay the "Apple Tax" nonetheless. I find Broncolor and Profoto and even Westcott to fall into this category. I don't think their products are that much superior to a brand like Glow. Their products are likely more durable and the quality may be marginally better, but I personally don't think one would see THAT much of a difference. Of course people who use those higher-end products may disagree, the way die-hard Apple fans will defend any and everything Apple does. It's all subjective I guess and whatever works for each person is what works. I would indeed like to see the comparisons you speak of, maybe I need to convince Broncolor and Profoto to send me some free stuff lolol.
@raynaudier86222 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife , I think it may also be that, by the time photogs are billing enough for their business to afford Broncolor & Briese, they've gotten *so very good at creativity, working according to the client's brief, knowing what they want in hairmakeupwardrobeaccessoriesmodels, set design, background, color theory, lighting, using kickers, hairlights, key, & fill, feathering the light, knowing what contrast & falloff they want*, etc, that the high-end equipment complements their skill level. [Also, photogs doing advertorials/sponsored videos for Broncolor & Briese aren't mentioning how important the retoucher's contribution is to the final images]. (Just an idea).
@LarryL6192 жыл бұрын
Love this! As a beginner this helps me decide where my money goes. I always shoot with a diffused modifier so I’d rather choose the easier and lighter weight modifier. The only time I’d see a benefit for deep parabolic is if I really needed throw, which means undiffused. Could be helpful with ultra wide shots where the flash needs to be way off frame. SUBSCRIBED!
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely @Laurence, the lighter weight makes a BIG difference, especially if you boom, and you're also right that if you need to throw that undiffused light, the deep para would be the better option. I appreciate you watching and commenting, and most meaningfully, subscribing. Thank you!
@Thereal111t Жыл бұрын
You could shoot the deeper one without diffusion if you wanted, plus catchlights will be a bit rounder… is it worth it? Maybe, maybe not.
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Having owned all the modifiers I do, I would say not worth it @Paul Vaccaro Thereal111t, lol.
@geraramirez39233 жыл бұрын
uff me ayudo mucho. Gracias.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@GERARDO Ramiez Gracias buen señor. Te agradezco que mires mi video.
@SlideWreckDan3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I disagree with your conclusions, but the test speaks for itself. I definitely see a difference in the diffused lighting between the octa and the deep parabolic. There is more of a gradient between the fall off and the deep parabolic throws light more towards the center. Although, if I didn't have a side by side comparison, I really wouldn't notice it. The difference is pretty nominal. I've been trying to research this theory ever since I saw Karl's video as I already own deep parabolic for video continuous lighting. Now I'm leaning more towards the Glow-EZ beauty dish softbox for small studio use. It has a grid too so I'm sure I won't see a ton of difference in quality of light. It's been a bit of a pain trying to mount and dismount the huge 38" deep parabolic in a small space lol
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Slide Wreck Dan serious question, what conclusion do you disagree with? I feel like what you said is what I said, lol. I feel you whole-heartedly on the 38" deep para, it's almost impossible at times in tight spaces and booming it requires some serious counterweight. I still use it though, lol. It's almost like my "throw-away" modifier now; I don't care what happens to it, it would be the modifier I use when there's a chance it can get destroyed haha.
@SlideWreckDan3 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife 6:03 You mentioned the light fall off is a bit different, but the spread is about the same. I think the throw here is visibly different. Depending on the distance on subject and background I think there will be a difference in terms of light quality between the two side by side. Yeah, if I use my 38" para with a C stand it's fine, but anything on a vertical light stand it starts to bend the poles a bit. Pretty sketchy even with sandbags.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@@SlideWreckDan by spread I was referring to the distance the light physically spread. If you count cinderblocks, the physical distance is about the same, that's what I was referring to. When you say throw, that's what I was referring to when I spoke to the light gradation. That being said, I don't think any of this would be noticeable in a real-world situation (e.g. on a face). Maybe slightly on the background if enough of it was in frame, but that's about it.
@LightFlex_Studios Жыл бұрын
I just saw the Karl Taylor video. I saw a huge different in b/w the octa and para w/ diffusion. His own images showed me I should buy a para. I don't understand how there wasn't an obvious difference in the lighting people saw. I wish this video had been on a model's face.
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Well @Josh McCosh I would say you’re in the minority if you’re referring to the diffused comparisons 😉 Either way, both of our videos served their purpose - they helped you come to an informed decision. I appreciate you commenting.
@LightFlex_Studios Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife I was glad to see both videos. I love seeing what other photographers have to say about the craft.
@camcappe353 Жыл бұрын
I think were forgetting about the smoother gradiation that the deep para provides. Thats what you're looking for in a modifier.
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
It really isn’t noticeable on an actual subject though, so in practical use a deep para doesn’t provide a ton of benefit over a regular octa. But it’s certainly noticeably heavier and more cumbersome to use.
@veijomatikainen78763 жыл бұрын
Funny, how I see it differently. The light spread in Your examples is clearly (to me) more pleasant with the diffused deep soft box than the diffused octabox (talking about the area where the strongest light in the middle is changing into the "spread" light around the middle area). The tiles are more "defined" and clearer with the deep soft box in that area. That is actually what the "marketing guys" also are telling. Of course this is how the camera sees the reflections on the wall and there seems to be some difference in the color of light between the soft boxes which might affect my conclusion, but I still believe the perceived difference is real. Personally I haven't much used soft boxes in my hobby photography, but am now looking for nicest solution for tabletop still-live photography, why I bumped to Your and Karl's videos. For me, I would never choose the octabox shape as the shape of the reflections of light (were it from the eyes in portrait photography or from the still-life subjects) don't look "realistic". And it seems that most "round" soft boxes are "deep" :-). Don't know why. Anyway, I find it curious that neither of You tested the boxes with grids. Isn't grids widely used to "direct" the light? So my question unanswered is, is there any difference in the spread of light with grids? Thanks for taking the effort to do this video :-)
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Veijo Matikainen I don't see that difference when I look at the RAW files on my PC, but I didn't spend a lot of time analyzing them. I would still argue in a real world setting (shooting portraits, for example), any differences would be negligible at worst, minute at best.
@miltonwelch86193 жыл бұрын
But Anthony, doesn't the eggcrate attachment that comes with the deep parabolic softbox make a difference with regard to light spread?
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
It would @Milton Welch, but without re-watching my vid I'm not sure why you're asking that question...
@rockj81973 жыл бұрын
Diffused is double diffused with the reflector plate? Or is it some other combo? What does the light pattern look like with other combinations of diffusion and reflector plate? For example, reflector and outer diffusion only.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@R J Photo IMO the inner diffusion does help a smidge but there's not a significant difference when used with the deflector plate. The deflector plate really helps to eliminate the hotspot in the center, whereas without the inner diffuser would serve as the purpose. I typically will use one or the other, plate or inner diffusion. Both, IMO, only serve to reduce total light output without any sizable gains in light diffusion or softness. Hopefully that answers your question.
@jasonbodden88162 жыл бұрын
Inner diffusion's main job isn't to further soften the light, it's to even out the hotspot. The deflector plate helps more with that but the difference isn't that big without the deflector plate in terms of the hotspot.
@texshooter74112 жыл бұрын
Your test shows at 8 feet the quick octa has a horrible cold spot in the center due to the reflector plate. I'd be curious to see how bad removing the plate would cause a hot spot. Cold spots are no better than hot spots.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
I haven't tested that specifically @Texshooter and I don't typically use these modifiers with no diffusion, but my guess is that there would be a hot spot in the center but it wouldn't be as pronounced as the cold spot with the plate.
@iDomeanica2 жыл бұрын
Super informative info and I really feel like I learned how much I wasted buying a deep parabolic lol
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Thank you @iDomeanica and I agree 100%, had I known this before buying all of my deep para's, I most certainly wouldn't have bought them. But, is what it is now, lol.
@thomashart5081 Жыл бұрын
If desired for portrait the deep will produce a much more natural shape of the light glint in the eyes but probably only necessary to consider for headshots
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Indeed @thomashrr5081
@justinianoportraits2 жыл бұрын
great video
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Thank you @Justiniano Photos LLC, much appreciated. BTW, I really like your work! Great images on your IG and I dig the car vids on your channel.
@justinianoportraits2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife thank you my brother really appreciate you.
@oneeyedphotographer Жыл бұрын
To be effective, a parabola needs to be focussed, like a lens. An umbrella style softbox can be focussed, within limits, but if you have a fixed position at the back of the softbox, any effective focussing depends on the size of the flash/strobe. I think the lighter softbox plus a grid would do the job better, for most people.
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
It does for me @John Summerfield Photographer. The only deep para's I use these days are either my 20" or 28", mainly due to the small size not creating an issue when I boom the modifier.
@calvinwerry5272 Жыл бұрын
The additional grid helps narrow, I look forward to deeper grids that narrow diffused light.
@AnthonyToglife Жыл бұрын
Now there's something, deeper grids, or options for different degree grids like you have with hard shell reflectors.
@fatimazahra19403 жыл бұрын
Which is good for food/cooking videos
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Fatima Zahra I'm assuming you're asking about modifiers? That's a tough question to answer because it depends on the look you're going but in general the bigger the better. You want nice, soft light and bigger modifiers will give you that. Glow's 48" octa would be a great choice but keep in mind you need a light powerful enough to work with that size of modifier. What lights do you have currently?
@carlwarrenphoto3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
You're most welcome @Carl Warran.
@GadgetAddy3 жыл бұрын
I do appreciate this video. The video tests, explanation/breakdown is excellent! However, I feel it would be a more accurate test to test these lights on people (skin) instead of a wall to truly test the quality/differences of light between the two.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@Gadget Addy it actually wouldn't be more accurate to use people. Tests are best done when the variables can be controlled; a person won't sit still precisely without moving their head angle/position. As an FYI, I've done these same tests with people and in most cases it's almost impossible to tell the difference, which I mentioned in the video. I have fun doing these kind of tests but in the real world, the differences are usually negligible.
@GadgetAddy3 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife I'm so happy you responded! Seriously, thank you! Thank you for explaining that to me as well. Makes sense. I have another question that gets asked, but never answered a lot of times. Do you think there'd be a difference between these two with video lights instead of flash? What would be the differences, if any, with an without diffusion? What would be the advantages vs disadvantages of each? Karl Taylor video was also specifically about photography, not videography and he has not answered this question to any of the people who has asked this on his video...at least not that I've seen.
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetAddy let me start by saying this - light is light, so there wouldn't be any inherent different in how a particular light functions in the same modifier. In other words, a speedlight and constant light will generally produce the same quality of light within the same modifier. Obviously your output and color temp could vary depending on the power and kelvin of both, but in general, the light would be about the same. Do I think there'd be any differences, I do, actually, but marginal. When I did my testing on people, the gradation from highlights to shadows was a bit smoother in some images with the deep para, BUT, I had to look for them. Would I have been able to tell the difference in looking at the two images side-by-side without knowing which was which, I honestly don't think I could of. The thing about some of these things is that you have to look so hard to spot differences that it just isn't a practical difference. It's akin to pixel-peeping; sure, you may be able to spot differences but who (with any sense) pixel-peeps every single image they shoot?! Where this is a difference in video versus still is that in video the position of your head and body can change quite a bit because you're moving/talking and I do think there could be minor differences in using the more-directional deep para, but again I think it'd be so marginal it would be outweighed by the weight and cumbersome-ness of deep paras. I use my 48" deep para because it's a modifier I don't care about it getting damaged or whatever. It's basically a throw-away modifier and will give me an excuse to buy the regular octa version when the deep para dies, lol. I frankly wouldn't recommend anyone buy a deep para over a regular octa, especially in the larger sizes. My 48" is stupid heavy and seeing that it doesn't really yield me a noticeable gain in light quality (even creatively) and it takes a little more juice from my flash to fill it, it just isn't worth it, even for video IMHO. Oh, I just realized I missed a part of your question, without diffusion there would definitely be a noticeable difference between the two. The beam of light will definitely be more narrow with the deep para, so if you wanted to control the light hitting the background (you could use a grid but) the deep para without diffusion would be the clear winner. But, then you're dealing with a harder light source so there's trade-offs.
@GadgetAddy3 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife I meant to respond a lot sooner! But thank you so much for this information! You saved me so much time, money, and countless hassles. I can't thank you enough for breaking this down for me. VERY helpful! I'm sure you will continue to help others, but for me personally, you broke down this better than Adorama. Thanks again!
@IdrisFashan2 жыл бұрын
Reading the replies here and elsewhere on the channel, SUBBED! Great info for us portrait noobs. 👊🏾🧔🏾
@CatPixStudio3 жыл бұрын
Using the parapolic softbox just shoot with the inner diffuser only and you'll get the best of both worlds. The inner diffuser is still big enough to have a big diffused light source. And the open space between the inner diffuser and the rim of the parabolic softbox acts as one big honeycomb cell of a honeycomb grid... but with silver lining inside instaed of black, so you don't lose light as much as you would using a normal black honeycomb grid. This works only on parabolic softboxes as the inner diffuser is much bigger than in normal softboxes and the "silver walls" from inner diffuser to the rim is nearly parallel to the flash' direction. Did anybody get what I mean?
@AnthonyToglife3 жыл бұрын
I get what you mean @Marcel Katz but the purpose of the video was really to see if the diffused light was more directional, which IMO it's negligible.
@paulscinemareel56712 жыл бұрын
Thanks Anthony. It would be good to see a test with a tube based light (like a Godox AD300, AD600) . The speed light is going to be too directional to get the full effect of a deep parabolic (DP). Overall DP looks better to me - and in real life with an AD300 it works great. A inward facing parabolic (like the Broncolor) with a focusing rod takes it to the next level.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting point @Paul’s Cinema Reel! What if I use the bare bulb on the AD200? I have an AD400 but lugging that thing to a parking garage and setting it up would be a chore for this, lol.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
Side note, I do think the deflector plate would help minimize or eliminate the issue with directionality of the speedlight but I’m still up for trying it with something different.
@paulscinemareel56712 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife lol absolutely true. I just have a few AD300s and AD200's myself - that's about as much weight as I want to carry:) But yes the AD200 with the bulb attachment would be a very good test too. I actually ordered the deep parabolic 34" from Adorama as well - that's how I came across you video. I've seen some tests with the AD300 and it looks pretty good. Will run some tests myself when it comes in. I just followed you on Instagram (Paul Singh). Best regards.
@AnthonyToglife2 жыл бұрын
@@paulscinemareel5671 you have GREAT work sir! Very tasteful and artistic, I love to see this level of work in that genre. I will definitely do the test with the bare bulb this weekend some time.
@paulscinemareel56712 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyToglife love your work as well. Greatly appreciated ! Thank you ! I should get my DP next week and will give a try soon. Was also thinking that something like a Stofen diffuser on the speedlight would spread the light a bit too. In some cases where space is tight and I need minimal light I revert to a Godox V1 but have the round (half-dome) diffuser on it . Quite honestly - not bad at all when using it with a 12x36 strip box.