Deepin 23: a beautiful, really disappointing update

[@bvd_vlvd]

We got Nick saying Rizzler after KDE 6

[@ThatGamePerson]

As a millennial, I had not heard the Rizzler, that's 11/10

[@spaceman6581]

Is this a Jojo reference? (still a good meme btw)

[@skelebro9999]

the brainrot has got him too 😔

[@jackster10101]

​@skelebro9999 it's inevitable for everyone in this day and age, sadly.

[@antifocus]

Just want to add to that 666 is a Chinese internet slang mostly used to react to something dope.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Ah well, goes to show cultural differences are enormous!

[@muizzsiddique]

And the "handphone" is the hand sign for 6, in Chinese.

[@Somebodyherefornow]

sometimes its generally many 6's in a row (like 10+), no?

[@WaterShowsProd]

A bit like how in Thai 555 is laughter, but in Taiwan it's crying.

[@Encolas]

And a combination of 6’s and 8’s tend to be enough to hack 50% of Vietnams wifi routers 😂

[@TheNeverPoet]

Nick saying Rizzler before GTA 6... it's over guys

[@Jonathing]

The comment bots are insane

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Pretty fast, these little bastards

[@khai96x]

crypto scam bots? (I don't see any of them now)

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@khai96x More like ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) bots.

[@Xenthera]

This is such a dumb thing to not want to use deepin for, but the title bars on the windows are too damn thick. Such a waste of space on the screen.

[@A_99_R]

@@TheLinuxEXPwe got rizzler and now bastards 😂 God knows what happened during the studio move 😂

[@thelakeman2538]

7:26 this probably has more to do with it being a China first distro. Since there's no google services everyone wants to make their own account and sync service, you see this even with Chinese phone makers selling internationally, Xiaomi devices try to get you to have a Xiaomi account or Oppo devices doing the same with heytap despite all of them supporting standard google services on android. Deepin could implement syncing with nextcloud and all the usual cloud providers but they probably don't care enough for the international release to do that.

[@adityaREDFLAG]

“I am not rizzler as the kids say” Bro doesn’t realise using Linux is rizz 😏

[@loxo5526]

Anything else is ohio 💀🤮

[@hopelessdecoy]

​@@loxo5526I live in Ohio..... I don't get it

[@loxo5526]

@@hopelessdecoy It's a stupid gen z meme, don't be offended by it

[@endermaster08]

Nah linux is pussy repellent

[@Pandacier]

Imaginary rizz…

[@zexuanqiao2441]

666 in Chinese means "cool bro" rather than the number of the beast

[@hoangminhnguyen5035]

I guess deepin have more interest at normal Chinese computer users than others. Which is understandable.

[@Skeleman]

Maybe Deepin will be the thing that breaks the trend, but most things that China produces start out unpolished and then quickly become the most dominant version without anyone realizing.

[@marloelefant7500]

TIL that Deepin is also the basis of a Chinese government funded Linux distro called China UOS. With the proper funding and genuine government interest, it's definitely bound to become something usable in the mid term - at least in China.

[@xFluing]

Yeah tell that to dahua or hikvision. I work with them every day and they absolutely suck

[@WildVoltorb]

C'mon dude

[@Skeleman]

@@WildVoltorb i'm confused what you mean.

[@JerziTBoss]

No matter what OS, if there is AI built in, I hope there is a way to completely remove it. I don't want any AI assistant potentially scraping my actions and files to train itself. I guess Deepin devs sank a lot of effort to be first Linux environment with AI when the effoct could be used better elsewhere.

[@MoolsDog2005]

Deepin is trying to do a Microsoft speedrun

[@JerziTBoss]

@@MoolsDog2005 At least Copilot somewhat works out of the box. I even like Copilot but I don't want it in Windows. Web version is completely fine.

[@FedoraSilverblue]

There is no preinstalled ai as I know it

[@guss77]

The default 125% scaling by default on 1080p is an MS-Windows thing, which they probably just copied uncritically.

[@amelia_tar_gz]

125% on 1080p is actually a sane default.

[@guss77]

@@amelia_tar_gz only if you grew up with a 1368x768 display - what they used to call "HD Ready" screens (it wasn't HD, nor "ready") I grew up on SVGA screens.

[@OkarinHououinKyouma]

​@@amelia_tar_gzno

[@Tragicomedy2137]

@@amelia_tar_gz why do you think so?

[@amelia_tar_gz]

@@Tragicomedy2137 the size of various elements are otherwise too small to be comfortable - this is especially true for laptops. there's a reason Windows uses it...

[@AlthafMuhammad2006]

What is the name of the font you are using in kde plasma shown in the video?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Inter, I think

[@Cyco_Nix]

So basically, Deepin is what we expected. Beauty is only skin deep.

[@thelakeman2538]

3:47 I feel called out, though deepin probably does it because that's the default behaviour of windows.

[@smashed_penguin]

New packaging format? Oh joy....

[@linuxstreamer8910]

ckcd 927

[@jarekzawadzki]

The Chinese way of showing the number six using fingers looks similar to a phone receiver and a devil with horns at the same time - it's a double pun.

[@Skeleman]

6 is also a very lucky number in han chinese culture (along with 8). i bet it's a whole bunch wrapped into one.

[@marloelefant7500]

Not only that, 6 is Internet slang and expresses appreciation for the abilities or luck of someone else. I'm not quite sure how to translate, but for example, when someone did something really impressive, you would say 6 (liú) or 666, something like "awesome!", "well done!".

[@marloelefant7500]

Sorry, wrong Pinyin, it's liù.

[@Skeleman]

@@marloelefant7500 ah ok! that explains the emoji they chose for 666. xièxiè

[@thatoddshade]

​@@marloelefant7500is that mistake something with tone?

[@advaitc2554]

Thanks!

[@cameronbosch1213]

8:40 Actually, X11 _can_ run in a better and more secure mode with forks such as Xenocara (mainly used by OpenBSD) but XOrg on Linux, yeah, that's going to die very soon because of the other issues (like "multi monitor support is extremely poor" being an understatement) and I'm shocked that Deepin _still_ hasn't started any public work on a Wayland session...

[@wafelranger7497]

Nick using gen alpha slang before kde 7 is crazy

[@sonicSnap]

late gen z & gen alpha, gen alpha goes up to 14

[@marloelefant7500]

AI assistance is actually the last they should focus on, when they other stuff is sufficiently polished. They really put the wrong focus.

[@cameronbosch1213]

2:47 "I'm up to *rizzle* on all the popular trends." _"Word!"_ 😉

[@WinstoneSmith]

For me, Deepin always looked like a private endeavour. For their own targeted users. Just they use open source parts.

[@osgrov]

I wish they would focus all their efforts on the desktop environment and just dump the distro. Deepin DE is gorgeous and might become a serious contender if they gave it more attention (and it needs it). Here's hoping. :)

[@UAVXP]

No, thanks, I prefer full package

[@humeng-u5z]

That's unlikely, because deepin now sells operating systems to third-party companies (or they do it themselves), which package some weird hardware made in China and sell it to the China government and state-owned companies, and they rely on the money to survive.

[@eisregenhaha]

i used deepin for half a year before i got into linux for real, was easy and cool to use but as of right noe its just wayyy too buggy and unusable imo. but 23 looks beautiful

[@ahmedthebest]

The video is really, really fun I won't hide from you that I really liked the negative criticism Of course, your words are 100% correct and you are right in every word you said in this video And I am really happy that here someone can criticize any distribution or program properly without fear or twisting words We want more of these videos.

[@wcdeich4]

I miss the common top of the screen menu bar.

[@Ateshtesh]

2:42 Is not the number of the beast (that BTW is actually originally was 616 but change in the time take it to 666), but is 六六六 (liùliùliù) It has the same pronunciation with 溜溜溜 (liùliùliù) and is very similar to 牛牛牛 (niúniúniú), which came from 牛逼 (niúbī) - “cool”, “amazing” (which is a very colloquial word, by the way). It’s also very close in meaning to 厉害 (lìhai), which means “awesome”. The point is Chinese people play with the numbers, 4 (si) sounds like d*ad, then they avoid it. (6) Liu is more like lucky or cool, that is ahy in Dragon Ball Z you can see gohan in a car that has the number 666 in the ending. (japan take a lot from chinese culture). Now you know.

One point you regularely oversee in my eyes is the file handler. This to me is one central aspect of doing computer related work. How fast can i navigate through file hierarchies, can I use split views, what about column view, can I access right click menus in a variety of methods, what about batch processing files... I would like to see a comparison of different file handling tools (coming from the Elementary method I do really enjoy)

[@MasonTate792]

What Linux Distro are you daily driving?

[@UAVXP]

I actually like Deepin OS. cause it looks the most polished of all the distros I've used

[@kuhluhOG]

6:40 Besides the fact that the letters here have a low enough contrast to be unreadable by a big chunk of people.

[@PakoSt]

I do like to use 1.25x scaling on a 13" 1080p screen. Small text && icons are great at 1x scaling but they can be fatiguing on the eyes.

[@baidoo_1914]

The UI is the best in all of the desktop environments by default. Too bad it does reach the level of functionality of any of the popular desktop environments.

[@lulul]

i for one would love some local good ai integration, especially something that was trained on linux related forums and up to date manpages just so you can fix issues or modify things as you like. i'm not expecting something that would just do it for you, but at least something that would point you in the right direction. something like this would be very useful for newcomers as well since one of the big hurdles of linux is wasting time on search engines and forums to learn what you need to do to get things working when they don't.

[@t.v.9696]

I wonder how their Deepin AI reacts to Winnie the Pooh jokes 😅😂.

[@cameronbosch1213]

*Linux kernel panic ensues.*

[@t.v.9696]

@@cameronbosch1213 for sure 😁!

[@xxtf1_z]

wait... people... actually believe that?

[@FodaseGoogreorio-h7v]

# rm -f /

[@MrRavi-ss1ud]

3:25 the centered taskbar icons were present in Deepin desktop way before windows 11 existed

[@tamino3777]

2:53 The 666 means liu liu liu in chinese. which means like awesome.

[@Pandacier]

8:40 sorry I was too lazy to search it I’m going to bed but does that mean text expanders like espanso are incompatible with wayland?

[@Nekotik]

Existing software like this would be broken by wayland without a lot of patches and negotiation with foundation. For espanso in particular, they have an experimental, partially broken wayland version

[@niksethi500]

To be Honnest, this is how all linux distro should approach ui! One of the best distro made yet!

[@thefanboy3285]

This got me thinking … you should make a video about ranking desktop environments ; it's been a while. But the catch here is each DE will be presented _at their _*_peaks_* ! Most times when a DE is presented it's always in their base form. But what settings makes the DE more enjoyable ? What plugins have their community cooked that radically improves the user experience ? What are good practices that go with the flow of _that_ DE that new users wouldn't have thought of as they are unaccustomed to it ? This deepin presentention reminded me of my first time experiencing Linux on my own machine a year ago. I installed Ubuntu cause it was THE most advised distro for beginners. But even though I was amazed by the new way of using a PC with GNOME, in the long run I didn't quite like it as it seemed too unfamiliar and too simplist. It was until only a few weeks ago, on my Linux Mint, that I have seen a video showcasing some really great plugins to customize my Gnome experience, presenting me _THE_ Gnome desktop that I would have liked to experience as a beginner. It was only after I have uninstalled Desktop that I understood I was doing ti wrong. PS : maybe you would have to ask the communities for more objective and precise result.

[@Javirulo]

Thank you for making this content. You made me switch to linux back in 2021 and I love it. ♥

[@MrMysticphantom]

A lot of these restrictions seem to be coming from their collaboration with Chinese Govt, and Universities in an effort to help them migrate over to linux from Windows. Also much of the design and shit we would find cringe in the west are what's actually popular and common in Chinese and Japanese oriented apps. They have ... different ... preferences on UI and UX there Also on the X11 front... There is a reason why they still use it... Because the lack of security is currently a feature for surveillance NOT a bug. Until they have finished they're tooling and methods for other means of surveillance that will work on Wayland it'll stay X11. Let's not mention the fact that their package format has several "phone home" items (mostly incomplete) that fall straight into surveillance (which includes keylogging btw)

[@Ateshtesh]

Hello? NSA? Take notes of this message! fast! fast!

[@flemtone]

Not a desktop or distro I would ever use, looks nice in areas but the main 4 kicks it's ass everywhere else.

[@francoisjohannes3648]

Hi Nick, what Distro you using on your gaming Tuxedo desktop you mentioned? I prefer Linux Mint, best experience yet between Zorin, Manjaro KDE, (don't like ubuntu, so I don't even try) PopOS!, Gatuda Dragonized Gaming Edition, (was the worst, for gaming, nothing wants to work, look cool as hell thou lol) Nubara and Regata for gaming not even. Linux Mint, everything just worx wothout much hassle, that is with xanmod kernel, but lately stock kernel is just as good. Kindest regards. South Africa

[@bluebutterfly6394]

Nah I'm staying at Kde

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yeah, me too

[@no_name4796]

I would use kde, if they had autotiling Until then, hyprland it is

[@theworldoffun8997]

​​@@no_name4796same, but I'm a filthy normie and use gnome with forge. Can't leave my nextcould integration behind

[@bluebutterfly6394]

No wayland?

[@redlionstudio2750]

KZbin is still trying to get me off Hyprland, and it's still not even barely close :P

[@Sitwayen]

I don't understand how someone can like Gnome and find deepin restrictive at the same time.

[@dand337]

Imo deepin has the perfect amount of options. Just the things you might need. Though no wayland session on release is pretty criminal. It's pretty buggy too. I guess there were a lot of plans like new music, video player, proper packaging solution etc. but they had to limit the scope of their work.

[@svendyy]

14:27 wait, how is there Honkai:StarRail game available to install if it's not supported on linux? Or is it something else? The logo is the same, and translating image worked not very well, but description was pretty much related to Honkai. It's middle-left in software recommendations. Does someone know? I'm really curious

[@matyasmarkkovacs8336]

Honestly, the linglong package format already looks much more promising than snapcrap and flatpak. Other distros should consider using this technology. This is what I kind of imagine when we are talking about containerisation, instead of the other 2 containerised formats. 540 MB for a calculator as a flatpak is wild... And not to mention they are often slower and buggier than normal packages. Linglong already looks better than these.

[@gxgl]

Good points about Ai! All of them! :)

[@andermetalbrasil]

A beautiful desktop environment and nothing else

[@Rejector666]

What the heck is a rizzler? God I feel old

[@cavvieira]

Rizz is short for charisma. A rizzler is someone with lots of it. Don't worry, in a couple years it'll be replaced with something else.

[@Your_Degenerate]

I imagine it's from TikTok and young people. It sounds like a Batman villain though.

[@cavvieira]

@@Your_Degenerate oh no, The Rizzler got Robin!

[@9a3eedi]

I think AI features integrated into the desktop is a great thing. An LLM is a very useful tool to have at your disposal as well as other AI tools. I understand the adversity towards AI, but it's important to note that the issue is really how tech giants are handling it, rather than the technology itself. For the Linux desktop, it would be great if it can be integrated in the form of a locally-run AI, or from a server of your choosing (which you can optionally self host). This way there is some control over privacy.

[@Skeleman]

I wonder if Deepin will start forking some of the common apps. I can imagine a Deepin fork of libre office, Chromium, the KDE apps, etc. and then some controversy happening in the community over it.

[@temari2860]

I'm a distrohopping addict so I rushed to install Deepin 23 right after it released and was super disappointed. Some desktop animations were broken for me, I had serious stutters while all other major desktops are super smooth on my hardware (yes with nvidia drivers installed) and I had tons of other little issues here and there, for example every time I tried to turn my computer off, it would instead just halt in a TTY forever until I force shut it down. Oh and even the live iso only booted with an older kernel in safe mode.

[@jrandiny3]

I haven't checked their implementation, but providing your own key can technically be better for privacy because your request can go directly to your AI provider instead of going to deepin server

[@DJDocsVideos]

That thing looks like a 10 year old on a sugar rush made a KDE skin.

[@hyperspeed1313]

I loved the Deepin desktop back when Deepin OS 15.6 was the latest. The complete overhaul made it look so much worse and I’ll maintain that to the end of time.

[@AbderrahmaneBenhalima]

What happened to your voice at 15:43?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Recorded on another mic as I was editing :) Definite loss of quality there :/

[@teklife]

Deepin in 2012 looked great and was blazingly fast. Actually better and more functional than modern deepin. It has always liked good but always felt half baked. Hey Nick, I would love to see you do a review she critique of the official Ubuntu flavor for China, Ubuntu Kylin, they have their own DE

[@scpatl4now]

I'll pass on this one. I don't speak Chinese. Oh, and we all need at least 5 new packagers (NOT!)

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

Having linux distri's ve more friendly to non native English speakers is a good thing the more linux gets used the more it will get suport

[@Techonsapevole]

Deepin OS AI works with localAI via Ollama

[@b1oh1]

I wish there was an easy to install/setup voice assistant setup in Linux. Google assistant, Siri, etc....privacy issues aside, are useful tools.

[@stranded_mariner7695]

I still haven't been able to get a clean install of deepin to work without crashing more times than the demolition derby. Maybe this one will be different? I might have a play around with it sometime soon. 6 is also a lucky number in China, it's very common to see car licence plates to have three 6's on them.

[@ronm6585]

Thanks Nick.

[@kodemasterx]

It does look good BUT in Spanish we say: CRIA FAMA Y ACUESTATE A DORMIR, which roughly translate to you earn a reputation for a reason... I'll leave your imagination to figure out the rest lol

[@WildVoltorb]

Please elaborate

[@lufenmartofilia5804]

You are harsh, I found the avatars that deepin show absolutely nice

[@RR-rk5gj]

Just diving into Linus to resurrect a 2012 Macbook Air 11.6. Just tried Deepin live USB and man is it beautiful! But... no keyboard and no sound. Being a noob I'm moving on but totally agree, really the best looking Distro I've tried.

[@TheThunderSpirit]

that knowledge base thing is quite impressive

[@sneakyguy8917]

Help. Deepin23 installed in Chinese and I have no idea how to set it to English. Can someone please describe the process (I don't read Chinese)

[@OraOraOra]

08:15 🗣 REALTALK!!!

[@Etchacritic]

Ollama is great too. Modelfiles let you fine tune.

[@xcuphill]

KZbin just inserted an advertisement for MS Copilot. How ironic.

[@bertblankenstein3738]

With regards to TuxCare and Live Patching.., That is pretty close to what CrowdStrike does... Hopefully the patches are carefully applied...

[@safsaf99]

I actually prefer the 125℅ scaling on 1080p monitors instead of 100℅, mostly cuz I can't read small texts

[@baidoo_1914]

Those of of us on laptops with small screen sizes at 1080 also uses 125 scaling...haha

[@riseabove3082]

1080p what. there's a difference with 1080p on 14" , 24", 27" , 32" inch monitors. I use 100% ratio all the time.

[@dipanjanpalchowdhury6012]

Looks good but I will just stick with KDE plasma and I use Arch btw...

[@temari2860]

13:30 To be fair, the vast majority of current AI startups are shipping the exact same nothing, a different wrapper for ChatGPT with some custom instructions

[@amelia_tar_gz]

Deepin's desktop is definitely the best choice for modern windows expats.

[@kaon9101]

2:49 "Rizzler" Ah, our Nick got brainrot before GTA 6

[@henriquepicanco97]

Seeing Deepin DE and knowing that is Qt, doesn't make you think how more beautiful KDE could be?

[@tlh8391]

Deepin is the only distro that I have tried and using now that works after installed. Other distro has got minor issues in on one from and another. The Linux community needs to work on UI/ UX for broader adoption, and not keep saying the terminal is the best when 90% of compter users disagree.

[@r3vers35]

You are THE RIZZLER

[@RandomGeometryDashStuff]

09:00 there is no wayland xfce

[@Cart1416]

kids tell me what a rizzler is.

[@ElisLawel]

Gnome also has always been mobile/tablet like interface.

[@violet_droid_xz]

Ubuntu,ubuntu devs should learn from Deepin OS❤

[@johanb.7869]

@The Linux Experiment: If Xorg is a security risk, should you avoid all distro's that don't support Wayland, like for instance Debian? Deepin looks stunning. But MX with Arc dark is good enough for me. I always disable all the transparency except the panel.

[@24321619]

Mine on VMware fails to update. But it looks better than any other Distro.

[@NeftisIsHere]

i use 1.25 on a 1920x1080, i feel attacked

[@df3yt]

Don't be, it's 100% correct on smaller laptops type screens.

[@FodaseGoogreorio-h7v]

Not every update is for you. And that also means that every update is for someone other than you.

[@shApYT]

At least they make an attempt at design, unlike some feature complete open source desktop environments.

[@baidoo_1914]

ikr...only if it was really functional like gnome or KDE or even cinnamon

[@andresstreetpunk]

You should do again the OS comparatives, but this time with CachyOS

[@df3yt]

8:52 - Wayland is the future but it's not there yet. Show me a single distro with Wayland that scales properly at 125%. None - Try RDP, Virtualbox etc all look crap..and get confused about what res to display due to the way scaling on wayland works. It "lies" about it's resolution. Font DPI with X11 is still required and KDE's 6's X11 support has gone to the dogs with context menus opening up on other monitors, logouts not working. Future I agree with, not there yet. Not close. Lastly 125% is correct for modern smaller FHD Laptops.

[@mahradasadi9276]

I use deepin because its beautiful and its enough for me

[@Consoneer]

Enjoy being spied by CCP. No wayland is ridiculous.

[@UltraCenterHQ]

5:35 Me personally, I like how computer operating systems are starting to look like mobile. Because I like ✨ consistency✨ between my devices

[@MrAlanCristhian]

That DE it's a mix between android, windows and mac. With more polish something great can come out.

[@QmGhq2T7CzQ]

The moment i saw HarmonyOS Next, I remember deepin OS 😅

[@chrisllodge]

the thing thats makes deepin look good is its vibrancy....why dont other linux distros do vibrant everything?

[@bhargavjitbhuyan9394]

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