DeepSeek Just CRUSHED Big Tech AGAIN With JANUS PRO - New SHOCKING AI Model!

[@simonford7806]

a lot of money in the US goes to exorbitant managers' salaries

[@cynthiahall2379]

the $$$ is always funneled upward in the US. Always.

[@flickwtchr]

But you left out the CEOs?

[@dougsilent4341]

Could be just a plot by the major AI companies. They could do it more efficiently, but chose to do it with more hardware. That way, it is the big money thing, helps the AI bubble and economy. The Chinese company basically tells everyone the emperors nudity.

[@TheLittleSpoon1982]

A lot? All of it but a small %. I’ve worked for corporations in IT my entire career, and high up with executives. I met a dude who made 350K a year and was an absolute moron and a fucking monster. But they are all overpaid. All of them. They need to change the way companies pay their employees. The board and executives should not be allowed to just sit on money. All employees should get an equal cut of the revenue understanding the founder/owner should be the only one with a bigger cut. And then if you’re sitting on billions of dollars of cash you should have to cycle it back into the economy so our fucking idiot leaders don’t have to keep printing money. There’s no excuse for executive pay, and there’s no reason why a company like Apple should have billions of dollars sitting around doing nothing.

[@peterreynolds6998]

Bots. Communism is death

[@tubeyou8623]

Just wait a bit until the Chinese unleash their own chips at a fraction of the cost and outperform all the western chips combined. That day isn't very far now. I've tried their chips on mobile devices and they did not disappoint me.

[@thomasrudder9639]

Nah, times are changing. We have the best scientists in the world. China admits it.

[@Justin_Arut]

This is what I've been trying to tell people who don't understand why this news is bad for Nvidia. It's NOT about the perceived lack of need for future GPUs, which is what the finance guys are thinking. It's about China creating next gen chips that allow them to continue making leaps in AI software, which in turn helps them make new and better chips, etc., all the way to ASI.

[@RogueReplicant]

​@@Justin_ArutYou don't understand the logistics of chip fabrication, not to mention the most important part: design.

[@StLouis83]

A capitalist country that's full of greed focus on more money and less innovation! 😂

[@padraicley3265]

@RogueReplicant, I was an American semiconductor engineer at Texas Instruments. Americans lack engineers, and Americans don't like math as Chinese do. Silicon Valley people are full of Asians. China has at least ten times more engineers at half price than the US. Not selling to China means they innovate even faster and are funded by the largest economy in the world.

[@bernardfinucane2061]

Restricting chips to China forces the Chinese to find better methods. Americans always believe that the more resources you have to waste on a project, the better the outcome will be. In the 70s we saw that Japanese companies which had been faced with high gas prices and designed efficient cars to deal with it crushed American gas guzzlers. This is a repeat.

[@roljavi]

You are delusional. What crushed the American car industry was forbidding Japan to have army and having Germany and Italy in NATO and USA being the main supplier of weapons. So, all those exceptional engineers went to work in civil industry while NASA and the US army were sucking like black holes the best engineers. Same thing was with USSR where their space program and army were sucking like black holes best engineers and USSR having shit cars because of it. Whoever looks at the history of Paris-Dakar rally, Formula 1, MotoGP and winners, where you have performance cars and motorcycles, USA manufacturers were nowhere to be seen throughout decades. On top of that, Americans did a grave mistake which is not developing public transportation at all while throughout decades you had Japan and France developing speed trains and being known for it and nowadays China where train stations look like airports. American dumbasses went with planes, while planes are highly dangerous when it comes to climate because they are creating artificial clouds while flying which prevents Earth to cool down during night. Americans essentially have their heads stuck deep in their assholes and blindly believe in their exceptionalism and being the best by default, while everyone else moved along and seek for new solutions.

[@renascienza.bazarclub]

Ironically, Deepseek became the "Android" of the AI niche, and OpenAI/Microsoft/Trump team is the "iOS". Deepseek offer is less expensive, equally powerful and open sourced, so made US run for their lunch. Well done!

[@jblove53]

You act as if they all aren't in on it.

[@findingsearchingthinking]

So when are you moving to China?

[@Epic-Generations]

Time will tell but I think this was a "keep your enemies close" kinda thing on Trumps part, they claimed in the media that Elon told him not to trust Altman. We shall see, so far it's been a wild ride and it just started!

[@diliupg]

No need to move old timer, surely you know that by now... @@findingsearchingthinking

[@theorenhobart]

deepseek is absolutely NOT as powerful as the big ones. the whole point of deepseek is to get an answer with less data processed. which automatically means that the resulting model will not be as good. study harder

[@Arkay.]

I personally will always enjoy the David and Goliath fight of corporations vs open source. I don't believe any corporation has the moral fibre to "own" the power of future AI and think that open source is humanities greatest protector of our future.

[@jmchng9662]

Sorry to correct you but China is not "David". While the US may be "Goliath", it's now more than all brawn but no brain. It supposed to have brain but its arrogance makes it foolish.

[@ResistWithOlivia]

YES!!

[@GoldLeaf-qi8ij]

@@Arkay. AI is as old as my grandfather. Trump is not aware of the advances AI has made outside of the US .

[@pohjiebarbosa]

Amen

[@cszuhan]

✌

[@slimejkl]

If openai kept its promise to be open source, it would've been a much larger environment because everyone would build on it to innovate..

[@cleverman383]

Karma.

[@tk70707]

true

[@dielotte]

when greed became one's own undoing

[@slimejkl]

@@dielotte couldn't have said it better..

[@GoldLeaf-qi8ij]

@@slimejkl Yes True, Elon Musk was trying to do exactly that, he shared his innovation while building his electric vehicles. For US its about creating a demand and making money from this .Selling the end product for huge profits.

[@dzat]

well done DeepSeek....and the best part , we the consumer win!

[@happymelon7129]

I recalled that interview with Cook where he had stated, in an analogy, " in China, they can fill several stadium of required talents while, in the US, they would have difficulties filling a room." And those people in the stadium work 2x harder, 1.5x longer.

[@ganzhu3380]

Not to mention those wise people from the US are usually immigrants from china and other Asian countries who head to US attracted by their powerful USD.

[@ameyas7726]

Didn't you listen to the video...Deepseek used Western AI models like OpenAI and open source Lama etc to piggyback on their AI startup....without Western technology, there is no Chinese miracles..

[@michaeltan9438]

In the US (or UK or EU), they can fill several stadiums of lying corrupt politicians while, in China, they would have difficulties filling a room.

[@l3of589]

Yep it makes a lot of sense, since they have a stadium of people for each person in the US 😂😂😂😂

[@JoeSchmoe-mp3pm]

And yet they still used hardware, data, and even a pretrained LLM model (llama) from the US …

[@WaterShowsProd]

A vital piece to this story is that DeepSeek runs much more efficiently, and on much simpler, and cheaper hardware. It's not just about making AI tools like chatbot and image generation, this new system puts AI development into the hands of smaller developers. This is the reason the big tech congolmerates are in a panic. They are far too invested in their large infrastructure plan to change tactics. The near future will see them pushing the old model which relies on expensive proprietary hardware, and trying to bury the fact that someone was able to run the R1 model on a Raspbery Pi. This is a revolutionary development.

[@davidsadowsky6881]

And they steal ip

[@MM3Soapgoblin]

This is incorrect but for the right reason. The market grossly misunderstands what the development of Deepseek represents. Their model still runs on a massive server farm and utilized PTX to train and run which is proprietary to NVIDIA GPUs. What this did was make the equivalent model more accessible to smaller organizations. BUT it also gives a path forward to train even larger more efficient models on the same HW investment that these big tech companies already have... so this is going to drive demand for GPUs up, not down. It also doesn't represent a loss for big firms with large GPU investments. It means that those investments can now reach further than they were originally intended to. Everyone across the board wins by this, especially Nvidia, which has ironically been hit the hardest by the news.

[@WaterShowsProd]

@ A fair point.

[@ShortStuff6767]

Yes, it's alot of money for convience, isn't it? And the positive outcome, which is apparently the only outcome to come from projects such as this is not even worth considering and definitely outweighs the risks and negative outcomes

[@jajajjajjaajjaa]

Won’t big tech just replicate deepseeks model? Being that it is open source

[@jawadkhan8747]

DeepSeek is amazing. Well done DeepSeek Team.

[@gamesnerd6806]

The most important thing about deepseek is that it is open source and free. Everyone will use it and improve it. Unlimited development and improvement. Lol unable to compete, spread propaganda and fear regarding loss of privacy, unfortunately this time it won't work cause it is open sourced bro!

[@hao6097]

you think they want it free think again.

[@albertcadgame8314]

it is open source, how is it possible that users will lose privacy or hacking of data info ?

[@XD-pu7oj]

Would you trust you data with idiots like musk altman etc ?

[@albert3274]

we are not paying for chatgpt either. why everyone mention it is free.

[@samarlimboo]

Hahahaha true

[@world_changers]

Elon Musk has always said AI should be open source. Deepseek finally listened

[@Etty-c5b]

That is because Elon isn’t in control of any of the top AI systems. Had he been the major owner of OpenAI you would hear a different tune😅

[@marcosrenann9288]

@@Etty-c5bthis is not a bcz.. Quantum physik was built around the world and thats why it got refined naturally.. Elon may move seeking for money, but he trully believe on society potential.

[@ResistWithOlivia]

Cheering the Chinese from USA. I love y'all! Good work!!

[@CliveRosfield.16]

Likewise ! The world need's an even bigger awakening

[@ajamesmcdermott]

This clown lives in the USA and enjoys all of its benefits. Then cheers on the financial destruction of the USA. WTF!

[@Mestephra]

Big tech really took a blow to their ego with this one lol The idea that this smaller company (possibly) did more with less is telling. If this is indeed the case, then I wonder what other underdog AIs we're gonna see in the future? This whole event is fascinating.

[@DJVARAO]

Yeah, but the CCP is everything but a "small company"...

[@Here4TheHeckOfIt]

I am hoping for a good outcome but am very skeptical

[@Lena-ks5ni]

The best lesson for USA, and BTW remember how silent, nice and humble Chinesse are.

[@jennifervanderbilt3745]

Silent and nice?

[@Yan-h2y]

Chinese are sneaky. I can’t never trust them. They are silent stingy operator and they dump many substandard in Countries that don’t resist them thereby hurting their citizens. Chinese made phones in Africa explodes and cause injury on the people if there’s electric surge or go near Kitchen. Many of their products are toxic and cause cancer.

[@kanadashyuugo873]

Tienanmen 1989, Falun Gong, Tank-man, Xi is Winnie, Steamed Bun Emperor. Now, wonder how nice those silent, humble Chinese security forces breaking your door down for about TEN WORDS are. Idiot.

[@LeMerch]

What?

[@Lena-ks5ni]

@@jennifervanderbilt3745 Please explain why should they cry? Havind decent leaders, functional country and they surely have much more possibilities to express themself than half of the other world. They don't need to shout, to crye or blab nonsense... Being humble doesn't mean being scared or silenced like ipeople n country you know, but being satisfied ,peaceful and grateful for everything they have Maybe read a book or two of his history and a guy called Confucious ot Kungfutze and you'll understand...

[@christer-nylander]

When the West drives 10 mph, China is at 100. They have almost all the advantages a) more top researchers b) more hard working c) better and more extensive R&D infrastructure d) support from government e) much higher speed f) renewed confidence with Deep Seek and Janus Pro g) less regulation etc. Now they have a disadvantage with chips, but that will probably only be for a short a time. Advice: Stop competing and start cooperation. The West should build a visdom society that is in harmony with nature. Nobody can compete with this in the long run. Let us think outside the "box".

[@simonscofield8825]

Yes but they have virtually no health and safety, and a blatant disregard for working rights, wages etc... and dont get me going on their quality control!!

[@a1isrising]

the US is too wrapped up in bs narratives with dei hires, gendar selection , and dont work as a whole country of people towards a future goal ,China dont have these social and political bs to deal with plus they do over a billion peoole too far more of a selection of minds in with no need to import tech workers this give them an adantage , while the US thinks 2yrs to 4yrs as we have political cycle they China do not .

[@bildkistl]

@@simonscofield8825 ever been in China? Highly doubt that you have been, it's just the usual nonsense!

[@christer-nylander]

@@simonscofield8825 Even if there are many places in China where this exist, the path is in the opposite direction and it goes fast.

[@mengkham]

@@simonscofield8825 How about a lot of people in the US have to work 2 to 3 jobs just to be able live day to day? That in itselves also should be disregard working rights! Oh by the way US is an oligarchy society just in name called "Democracy". Look at your Felon president still coning the US citizen even taking office with his meme coin. Such a joke lols

[@duck999-h6u]

Just in ONE day I almost completed a highly complex IT project solely by using Deepseek v3 (don't even need R1). Something I cannot do with ChatGPT because of the usage limitations - and their free older models aren't intelligent enough. Thank you Deepseek!

[@PositionM20]

Well Done Deepseek 👏👏👏

[@ufologistsguide]

It's certainly knocked Larry and Jeremy off their high horses. Competition is good for everyone.

[@funnyfromadam]

Monopolies stop innovation, limit choices, and push up costs. It’s completely stupid when people, consumers, start whining because something is Chinese or whatever. Competition is always good for the consumer. Break the monopoly.

[@sparaz]

Ok slow down a second. State owned organizations stiffle inovations much more than anything your "monopolies" comment refers to. China literally steals and copies every single piece of technology known to man including all their space tech, weapons, aircraft, and more. Plus since China owns 51% of every single company in their nation and so you can't just trust their investment numbers when they've got decades of history showing that they lie about how much they actually spend. They say they only invest about 100 billion into defense but the real number is closer to 600 billion. Additionally a lot of the model data on their open source model was already shown to have modified the work that US open source AI companies already developed. Am I saying that it's not impressive what they've done, no. It's good work, but don't start fan boying over the work that was done acting like they do so much so well when that's not even close to the real picture.

[@tomirkpl]

There is no monopoly. There is nothing to break.

[@anonymes2884]

Right. So how do you feel about a _political_ monopoly ?

[@tomirkpl]

@ Ask the Chinese who wrote something here in comments. He wants to bring communism to the whole world.

[@taniayager3361]

@@tomirkpl Course there is the big technocracy - the big boys Microsoft, Nvidia and many more, etc monopolising everything!

[@nitaallensong1014]

it sucks being rich and spending $300,000 on a Rolls-Royce when some peasant can put together a kit car that looks like a Bentley and drives like a Bentley for $40,000 The tech Giants are just angry that the peasants aren't going to be worshiping them half as much anymore

[@anonymes2884]

No, it's still pretty great being rich.

[@xz1891]

That's what I called "cabbagized "

[@SamsonHosea-g7p]

The US is arrogant and talks too much. China is humble, quiet, intelligent and hard working 💪

[@Yan-h2y]

Why did they copy US if they are innovative? Let them invent and stop copying US. This applies to all Countries. Please, give me a break

[@kanadashyuugo873]

包子 小熊维尼 专政 | 香港加油 | 天安门 六四 赵紫阳 坦克人 Please welcome those humble, intelligent, hard working CCP State Security employees into your home, as they beat you for seeing words you are not allowed to see

[@oceanwave4502]

The fact that politicization in every aspect of life in Western world is concerning. Western people's mind must be exhausted.

[@JR-zm7ju]

​@@Yan-h2y Yes like they copy US highspeed train and space station............oh wait US dont have those sorry bad example 😂

[@Dis-u7p]

@@Yan-h2y Umm, because they don't need to reinvent a wheel?

[@tobiasrekker5376]

I love the open source concept. R1 and Janus Pro. Deepseek is really great for all of us.

[@c.kainoabugado7935]

The BESTEST🎉

[@mikeluna2026]

As far as I've heard, some of the "outages" of Deepseek R1's site were hacker attacks. Probably corporate america saying "thank you"...

[@anonymes2884]

I mean, if _you've_ heard that then it's almost certainly true. If it were anyone else, i'd be really sceptical but because it's _you_ ...

[@Exhithronous-y1n]

OpenAI should've stayed open, this is the proof.

[@CliveRosfield.16]

Never in America when all they gravitates toward the devil in the dollar bills

[@lukop4278]

人脑决定一切.想想中国每年培养出近五百万工程师.随着中国的崛起.美国的歧视政策.将会让世 界顶级华人科学家回流中国.

[@existentialbaby]

they'll be cooked if even the Indians starts leaving US but thats not going to happen, india is incredibly poor, 2500 per cap gdp, they don't have the calibre

[@ஶ்ரீதர்Sridhar]

சரியாகச் சொன்னீர்கள்!

[@jimmylam9846]

No, it is not a good idea ! countries need tight competitions just like Olympics...most Chinese researchers left for the America were older generation from 80's to 90's basically they have no more fire in heart but waiting for retirement then RIP.

[@kanadashyuugo873]

包子 小熊维尼 专政 | 香港加油 | 天安门 六四 赵紫阳 坦克人

[@TylkoSpokojnieXD]

​@@jimmylam9846no more fire in heart? You are ignorant

[@dondominic7404]

I am absolutely astonished by the pace at which AI is developing. The improvements we have seen within the last two or three years is incredible. I wonder what we would have in the year 2030.

[@TheSateef]

i'm 65, i never expected to see AGI in my lifetime, now i'm thinking very likely

[@kojoefante]

@@TheSateefyou mean Satan

[@rynkydynky]

Not everything is linear

[@samlebon9884]

In 2030 AI will be treating depressed people who blindly and naively embraced these useless technologies .

[@c.kainoabugado7935]

​@kojoefante you use Universal Law of Attraction to hurt yourself😢

[@PawanKumar-td6un]

Qardun will make millionaires, after CEX listing it will blow up.

[@KiraIsGod]

Bot

[@filmbuffo5616]

spam

[@CountingStars333]

​@@KiraIsGodeveryone from India is not a bot. Typical western racism.

[@CountingStars333]

You were right it is a bot

[@meggrobi]

Anyone else remembers when Apple was a startup PC maker working out of a garage, or Microsoft selling DOS to IBM, the software it bought? This is a new time for disruptors

[@Accelerate-Law]

for cencorship information like xi jinping. its actually Deepseek and OpenAI are both had that kind of cencorship. Deepseek about china things. OpenAI about Israel things(specialy about freedom of Palestine). If you ask me, which one is better... ofc Deepseek. (at the moment)

[@dielotte]

With the exception you can unjail DeepSeek open source models run it on your own, where closed you must life what you get and never know what happen to your data itself.

[@SuperChausette]

It does stop the sencorship when you tell it that you're a communist that wants to talk in good faith about it

[@HogPuc]

​@@dielottewho cares about data anyway

[@ningnick1728]

Dude, every junior high school student in China knows that. I gave you the source code. What else can't you do? You should study more in your spare time. Or your comments will embarrass you. What we have to do is break up the profiteering monopoly of financiers and capitalists. Let people all over the world have access to good things. All the people on earth are one family.😊🎉

[@oceanwave4502]

Both OpenAI and DeepSeek have their models "learn" from certain sources. Supposed it is the Internet, then if there are more articles supporting Israel, then the LLM will support Israel. By being open-source, DeepSeek enables less rich countries to have their own LLM to fit their own population.

[@vanshikaspappy]

Knowing the chinese spirit, later versions are going to push the threshold again and again ! Their soft tech is at another level

[@kanadashyuugo873]

包子 小熊维尼 专政 | 香港加油 | 天安门 六四 赵紫阳 坦克人

[@junksails814]

Exactly -Open Source means that millions of people working in teams, single, corparation, can innovate, improve ideas, and move faster than propertery codes.

[@GambitronPrime]

America creates a videogame for $200million while japan builds a better quality game for $40million, same for movies (see Godzilla minus1), lets see how this pans out.

[@kojoefante]

China, it’s China not Japan. And they spent 2.5 million for the movie .

[@anandmehta2323]

Same for american weapons. Same for american everything. Except for possibly spacex reducing the cost of dollars per kg to orbit, everything else in the USA is made at insane costs using the outsize profit at all costs mantra.

[@DirkaDirka-n9j]

Hollywood is crumbling thankfully. They produce shiny turds. Soon AI movies will be better.

[@hrs795]

US is more overbudget because they have to spend more money for politicians.

[@kanadashyuugo873]

@@anandmehta2323 Peel your mouth off Elon's member. He's a fake. SpaceX blew ALL the money they got from the US Govt to get to the moon in 2026. So far they have a spaceship that EXPLODED ON EVERY TEST.

[@Thexis_]

I find it ironic how Open AI basically, said "We will throw more money at it and be better" When DeepSeek allegedly didn't need that much money or powerful chips to do their thing. Maybe it's not a money angle.

[@GEF6560AI]

It’s easy to get carried away when interpreting the fallout from a systemic shock like this, especially when so many pieces of the puzzle are still missing.

[@kojoefante]

It’s not a trade . It’s developing. It’s not a competition

[@renascienza.bazarclub]

@@kojoefante current US government made this a competition. Space run all over again.

[@prabh2630]

Probably going to be an insane amount of insiders on $Qardun

[@KiraIsGod]

Bot

[@Milky-Space06]

Open source gives the power to innovate and create back to us the ordinary people

[@ChelsieSonnan]

China always walks the talk 💥💥😎😎😎😇😇😇

[@kanadashyuugo873]

包子 小熊维尼 专政 | 香港加油 | 天安门 六四 赵紫阳 坦克人

[@qinfugu2816]

the west are too arrogant to really understand China😂😂😂

[@jacquin8511]

The bamboo grow deep before it grows tall.

[@jeffblahblah5226]

@@jacquin8511 The river runs deepest where the banks are close

[@cynthiahall2379]

Too paranoid that the grift will be discovered (which it now has)

[@jimmylam9846]

They could say China used Uyghur forced labors in Xinjiang not Hangzhou which why the cost was so cheap !

[@MrBlaxjax]

Very arrogant comment. Typically myopic.

[@SarahOrban]

Takling of AI, though the perspective of many people remains that, NVDA is the "Stock of the year.". I am skeptical about which stocks could potentially become the next META in terms of growth over the next decade. I have allocated $190k for investments, still looking for companies to make additions and to boost market performance.

[@HughesPaula02]

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[@JeshuaMarshal]

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[@TristanNolan-i8]

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[@JeshuaMarshal]

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[@rubyquinn2189]

Wow DeepSeek just knocked Nvidia off its pedestal, I mean the whole tech sector is in turmoil 😂. Well I sure love the buzz! If you haven’t been keeping up, now is the time to act, Lots of buying opportunities right now. perfect time to reassess our portfolios.

[@fabiann34]

It’s crazy how fast it’s gained traction. But honestly, I’m feeling a little lost on how to approach it. I don’t want to be left behind, but at the same time, I don’t know if I want to dive headfirst into all these sudden market shifts.

[@rubyquinn2189]

I totally get it. That’s exactly why I started working with my advisor, Amanda Mary Thome. She’s the one who helped me realize that these kinds of shifts like DeepSeek and other game-changing technologies require a strategic approach. You don’t want to just react, you want to have a plan in place. Amanda's been instrumental in guiding me through that.

[@fabiann34]

I feel this hard! I’m also thinking I need to get an investment advisor to avoid rookie mistakes, but so many options today, What makes this Amanda different from the other advisors out there?

[@rubyquinn2189]

It’s all about how she approaches the market. Amanda Mary Thome doesn't just look at the current news; she looks at trends and potential disruptions like DeepSeek. She's already put together strategies to make the most out of new AI developments. When Nvidia took that big dip recently, I wasn’t even worried because she had already set up my portfolio to handle situations like that. It gave me peace of mind. Look her up, She has a large following and is easily found online.

[@fabiann34]

That sounds like exactly what I need. I’m honestly tired of trying to keep up with everything on my own. I entered her full name into my browser, and her website came out on top. I’ll reach out to her and see what she can do for me.

[@erichey6394]

I think this has bursted a bubble of complacency in US AI companies. What will ensue is a great game of leapfrog where models will continue to exceed each other. What will prove to be the greatest innovation from DeepSeek is its ability to improve its own training algorithm. Others will pick this up and it will quickly drive us past AGI to Super Intelligence. I am myself an AI engineer and I am more excited than ever.

[@GoldLeaf-qi8ij]

China has also proven that mass production of raw materials brings the price down of the end product . Electric cars is a perfect example of how China can very quickly win the race in every sector.

[@michaelsullivan3553]

Easy to do with slave labor

[@nameberry220]

@@michaelsullivan3553 All labour under capitalism is slave labour, as your forced to work otherwise you do not have necessities for life.

[@Ghengiskhansmum]

​@@michaelsullivan3553it's actually robots. China is incredibly advanced in robotics.

[@GoldLeaf-qi8ij]

@@Ghengiskhansmum I think Japan had made huge advancement in the field of robotics.

[@kanadashyuugo873]

包子 小熊维尼 专政 | 香港加油 | 天安门 六四 赵紫阳 坦克人

[@ShaileshKumar-vl8pm]

Walmart, Amazon and Trump support? Qardun is going to 500x no doubt... I just hope there is not too many insiders

[@hamza-325]

It is funny to see people asking a Chinese model about Tiananmen, Xi Jinping, and Taiwan to evaluate it! Do you guys evaluate USA models by asking them about LGBT, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Nakba 1948, or even Gaza? It is an open-source model so you can just download it and (waste your resources to) fine tune it to make it insult CCP before every answer! Just use it in something useful rather than trying to be detective.

[@FrostSpike]

Yes, that's exactly what I do. I also ask the models about societal constructs to see if they lean left (they do) or right (they don't).

[@junksails814]

There are always 2 sides to a political narrative. So who is right? Neither!! Both have a story to share. Its up to the people to choose.

[@ALWH1314]

Deepseek is open source, you're free to modify the codes to remove, change or add 'sensorship'. The fact it gives you the access to make your own choice is true freedom.

[@CoachHartanah]

DeepSeek Just CRUSHED Big Tech AGAIN With JANUS PRO! Wow, that's impressive. We're seeing AI models reaching new heights again. Janus Pro scores top on benchmarks and beats Dolly 3, Pixar Alpha, and others. This is a great app, thanks for sharing it man! Appreciated.

[@mikeluna2026]

Now, lets hope people will retrain the model to specialize it, like they do with Stable Diffusion models. Then that'll be a real win.

[@sweelim5473]

Just tested it on image recognition capability - the result was perfect. Speedy and accurate.

[@yvonneteo3198]

Competition drive innovation 🎉 benefits globally. The more US control and want to monopolise, the more force many to innovate in a challenging environment, nothing can stop genius to think and innovate, good job 🎉

[@alan83251]

I hope open source AI keeps up! One possibility that is somewhat worrisome is that the efficiency gains the smaller open source models are using to keep up will get expended as the big companies incorporate those too, then eventually the only way to keep up will be similar massive scale as OpenAI's.

[@bn6244]

that is happening for sure. they even said they were doing it

[@jimmylam9846]

The People's Republic of China.....the doctrine is "People" of its own is always in the first place then people of the world.

[@MM3Soapgoblin]

This is an important dichotomy with tech actually. Big corporations will push ideas at scale and we get to see the upper limits. At the same time, small teams have to rely on new innovations in efficiency and optimization to improve. Both work together to drive tech forward. This development is good news for everyone and the market is panicked for no reason. The massive investments large firms have made in GPU farms now will be able to do even more than they were originally intended to do. That's great news for the those firms. At the same time, current cutting edge models today will become more accessible to smaller firms to use. Both will create even more demand for GPUs, not less.

[@cynthiahall2379]

Making a profit is not part of the Chinese strategy. They strive above all to make the world a better place, a concept NEVER share by 'other' nations.

[@toorcicefist8018]

Correct. They are indoctrinated to hate other nations all the way from preschool. That is the communist way. Everything they do is not only selfish but dellusionally for their leader/god.

[@Cfomodz]

Those "cost official" techniques are going to change the world...

[@PraisetheFluffyTail]

We dont need few big corpos unleashing massive models for billions, we need a lot of smaller startups releasing more efective, lighter and specialized models cattered for different audiences

[@MM3Soapgoblin]

We need both. They work symbotically to drive the technology forward.

[@Owen2308]

It's pretty rich hearing these Silicon Valley guys complain that their stuff may have been scraped to build DeepSeek. That's some poetic irony!

[@chavaamu]

500 billions gone into drain

[@golmaal7951]

No my friend it’s 1 trillion dollars gone down the drain in just one day 😂

[@shanebalboa391]

They didn’t invest yet. Those $500B can go a long way or invest can reduce to $50 to $100B.

[@jay_d_paul]

Nope

[@kevinchavarria6792]

Now just imagine the money NASA wastes daily yep no wonder there is a lot of poverty lately

[@oceanwave4502]

The US can sanction DeepSeek and all of its employees. 😱 But the genie is out of the bottle...

[@NXT_Rudra_tm]

Trump found a way to pump a coin like steroids... crazy that Qardun is an ICO instead of directly..

[@RoboRadios]

this is like cold war but with ai

[@ebenezerntiamoah6544]

Straight and USA is losing, too focus on wokeness and sanctions 😂😂😂

[@sjdaniels]

The criticism I received, saying exactly this, upon DeepSeeks release it became obvious that no one had a clue about Llama. Thank You!

[@june7666]

While prompting Deepseek to work on something, the answer is almost: "The server is busy"

[@lindenimotsumi8641]

It’s extremely overworked, almost similar to how ChatGPT used to be on its first month.

[@Jokershadow696]

Just download to your pc and use it unlimited 🤷 When chatgpt was released it wasn't available for almost a month as everyone was using it. Same with deepseek.

[@dblowaVictorica-qy9qd]

那是因为被黑客攻击了

[@funnyfromadam]

Yes, the only reason why I still not terminiated my chattgp subscription. I wrote some articles in dutch with deepseek and it is doing great for free. For images I use SD. I will quit chattgp in a heartbeat and save me 20 a month.

[@EverMerry]

they were denied of service due to flooding of users because of the hype, anyway, R1 is really amazing!

[@pierrec1590]

They (DeepSeek) mostly refined existing models rather than "train" an brand new model. They are a distillate model. It is the difference between creating a picture and compressing it into a jpeg file.

[@ramanaramana9116]

$Qardun is going to be the real trump coin

[@KiraIsGod]

Bot

[@sarcophoguy-x]

2:23 that uncomfortable laugh I'm dying

[@Just_Be_The_Ball]

Hats off to Hugh Janus

[@RogueReplicant]

Nigel sends his regards as well

[@Brian-vs9sd]

And to Eet Uranus as well.

[@anonymes2884]

Thumbs up too !

[@holdthetruthhostage]

AI we are in the Age of Now no more waiting & holding back Innovations it's Now or never

[@VoyceAtlas]

Yeah we all gotta get building 🫡

[@theorenhobart]

i vote for never. it's not under control

[@Sabuj_B]

This altman once said india can never make its own ai model.

[@goldriverbank6647]

True this time

[@Sabuj_B]

@@goldriverbank6647 A few days ago, the truth was that AI models couldn't be cost-effective. But now, that's no longer the case. So, the truth can change over time.

[@JR-zm7ju]

Now india can make their own ai model with using deepseek its open source 😂

[@whamzhang1805]

competition is always good for the environment

[@Justin_Arut]

It's a back and forth. DeepSeek used Meta, now Meta will use DeepSeek and make it multimodal, likely far surpassing Janus' abilities.

[@theorenhobart]

i hope u have thought about the quality of models made from models made from models?

[@Justin_Arut]

@@theorenhobart Quality can decrease or increase, depending on the skill of the devs doing the builds. DeepSeek v3 is supposedly derived from GPT4 and R1 is supposedly based on Llama. Evidently, DeepSeek did a decent job, since R1 is competitive. I would assume Meta would do a good job and whatever it comes up with will also be competitive. If what you have in mind is generational copy degradation, digital data isn't prone to that like analog tape.

[@kamisamadesu]

Meta said it'll spend 10B to make AI model

[@RogueReplicant]

​@@Justin_ArutWhy wouldn't it be susceptible to generational copy degradation? Not physical as in an analog medium but by cumulative layering of "irrational biases". So Meta censors Israeli malfeasance and cuts off related info sources while DeepSeek does the same with anything critical of the CCP (including face-saving silliness like the ban on Winnie the Pooh). Then DeepSeek learns from Meta and vice versa, won't the accumulated biases constitute a "degradation" as huge swaths of information is no longer available to the user? Asking for a friend 😁

[@renascienza.bazarclub]

@@Justin_Arut May the best team win, and force the other teams to do more.

[@JRD876]

6:28 think they can just toss €$£ at the problem only lol

[@Bottlecap]

The name’s Janus. Hugh Janus. 😎

[@belamoure]

To every Goliath there is always a tiny David able to kill him. US Ubris meeting his karma. Refreshing.

[@anonymes2884]

* Hubris

[@Mangolite]

7:43, shout out to Charlotte, NC!!! LOL!!!

[@bonnevil2100]

Bro I know I was like is that my city! No way

[@TekkGnostic]

The entirety of their claims is this $6 million dollar price-tag. They were a Hedge fund management that already had millions invested in crypto infrastructure previously. If you include all that, and the price of labour in China. I'm sure it'll be a comparable amount. Sure everything is open, except how they trained their system. A lot of reason it was cheaper is they distilled all the training from an already existing multi-billion dollar system. And a lack of regulation on data-training sets/web-scraping that Chinese companies obviously don't abide by.

[@Jokershadow696]

Is open source dude. That means you can download and train the model yourself and see how long and how much it cost. That's the reason they claim what they claiming as it can be tested by anyone and prove or disapprove their claims. And so far their claims are legit. You can run full model on 4 or 5 graphic cards, 4000 nvidia cards. Imagine chatgpt is running on your pc?

[@KaiserBNB]

1:07 Short answer: Yes. Long Answer: *HELL YES!*

[@NOPerative]

Overpaying for ai?!! Impossible! It's a new field where many will be taken for a ride, and the early bird gets the worm. Logic always catches up and very quickly at times. Deepseek is proof of this and exposes the BS that we all suspected regarding AI and the over saturation of the hype material surrounding the topic. I have been tinkering with deep for an evening and it has performed awesomely on modest hardware (dual core CPU with no threading, 12GB DDR4 RAM and 4GB VRAM GTX 1050ti all spun up from a 5400rpm HDD). Deepseek will answer questions in offline mode while it will not entertain slanderous or insulting behavior. Literally saw a video addressing the topic of jaded questioning last night and no more than 30 minutes later was using deepseek-coder-v2 with Ollama in Arch Linux and the above-mentioned hardware from a terminal command prompt and Chatbox. Ollama and Deepseek are a badass duo.

[@Bulldogg6404]

just to throw it out there, your channel's voice AI is pretty convincing. kudos there, too.

[@rtexier]

Please, could you tell me what is the software presented at 08:11 ?

[@T-Karp]

It looks like an AI Workflow user interface. I’ve used something like this before from Huggingface, but I think this is a different one from a GitHub repository.

[@Brokenwing2004to5]

Langflow

[@rtexier]

Thank you Sir

[@Brokenwing2004to5]

@ well, Take a Screenshot and ask Gemini 😉

[@rtexier]

I tried with Bing and got no interesting response

[@shannono9158]

Thank you for keeping us informed 👍

[@alfredosanchez76]

Hold on a second... this youtube channel and video is entirely made by AI? And all the comments are AI? Tf is going on...

[@calvingrondahl1011]

I am sticking with DALLE3 but JANUS PRO looks fantastic.

[@williamwatitwa3534]

An all round Ai model video , audio, text that can run locally will be the holy grail, the begining of the end of operating systems and start of a new form of operating system that is first of all AI then you can add something else . Such an open source system would be the holy grail

[@user-wy4mp9ts3u]

Just about everything is on trust but with no way of verification and trust towards those you can not trust,this is a giant fishing net

[@LewisDecodesAI]

I used DeepSeek to try and understand the meaning of the phrase Moat in AI. It went completly wrong and produced some random information about an acronym Moat rather than the metaphor of a moat around a castle being unique protection for a business.

[@kojoefante]

Sh please . What do you need moat for in real life?

[@LewisDecodesAI]

@@kojoefante In business strategy, a moat refers to a competitive advantage that's hard for others to overcome. Think of it like the defenses around a medieval castle, but in the world of AI, it's more about having something unique that protects your market position. For example, companies like Google or OpenAI are said to have a "moat" because of their advanced technology and extensive datasets, which are tough for new players to replicate. Just don't ask DeepSeek R1 what it means lol.

[@LewisDecodesAI]

@@kojoefante I didn't mean Windsor, but there are Castles in my country that has them, still. It's a real life practical strategy that protected castles, but when referenced in business they obviously don't mean to dig and fill an actual moat. 👍 Just to clarify, I forget what the internet is like.

[@wwkk4964]

Ask it objective reasoning questions. Asking a reasoner about a specific language's metaphor is not logical, its cultural.

[@LewisDecodesAI]

@@wwkk4964 I have storyboard generation prompt that no model has ever been able to do. I'll try that with it and report back.

[@StreetArtistsOfTheWorld]

Hey! How about a tutorial on how you got that robot to "talk" so convincingly? The lip syncing is really good!

[@g3user1usa]

Big tech companies are happy to pay large sums of money for A.I. hardware as long as they think they'll become the dominant company and make the most money. Despite learning that a company doesn't need to have the most number of processors or the most powerful processors for A.I. training, they're all going to run back to Nvidia and buy the most expensive, high wattage processors they can get their hands on. Greed will always win out over common sense. These greedy big tech companies want to take over commercial power grids to build massive A.I. data centers even if there isn't any demand for them. The government isn't even setting any limits on how much energy data centers can use and the average consumer is going to lose out when energy demand is high. We'll end up suffering from brownouts and blackouts just so the A.I. data centers can keep running nonstop. It's just going to jack up energy costs for consumers while the big tech companies become wealthier. Nvidia's share price fell for one day, but is quickly recovering as investors want even more power-hungry processors to be sold. More climate change is definitely on the way.

[@leofiredog]

You had me until climate change.

[@1dandandy1]

Are you referring to Larry Ellison?

[@MM3Soapgoblin]

Yes, Nvidia is going to be the biggest benefactor in this development, which is ironic that they have been hit the hardest by the news lol. Microsoft is purchasing and building out the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant just for a dedicated server farm power supply. I think the silver lining from a climate perspective is that these companies aren't going to waste time on irratic and unpredicatable power solutions like wind and solar. They are going straight to nuclear which is the most climate friendly power generation possible. Perhaps they'll start lobbying and driving change in that sector making nuclear power more practical for all of us, which is also a huge win for the climate.

[@delir.6488]

Thank You. Chine. Team....let the world enjoy Technology for. ALL...

[@djbird11]

Doesn't this raise the same security concerns as tic tok? On steroids?

[@D.I.S.C.O.R.D.A.I]

Nobody ever cared about safety AI time

[@robw964]

No more security risk and privacy loss than OpenAI and others I guess?

[@thomasrudder9639]

Wait till quantum computers are available to the masses. Nobody’s personal info will be safe.

[@Justin_Arut]

With the app, probably. With local instances run on a pc, no. In the latter case, it being open source, it can be modded to prevent it from communicating with external servers, so no data leaks. Someone _may_ be able to modify the app to do the same, if they're good with app dev, I dunno.

[@闲云野鹤-g5w]

it is open source,you can use it to train your own model

[@pisablavatsky-cb3dd]

Naze west heart is burning 😂😂😂

[@divinelyindifferent]

Corporate America: Automates and outsources labor overseas American Consumers: Automate and outsource AI solutions overseas (like DeepSeek) Corporate America: Wait, no.

[@sc-to4uf]

*So much deep-seated jealousy and negativity about a superior product that is not US home grown.*

[@jonathanhkwilliams]

It was not DeepSeek that won, it was the consumers who don't want a US system controls. Those competitions are needed so one Bot can't controls what we use, ask or say.

[@J42494]

Not really they piggybacked off of llms. Of course they can make it cheaper.

[@ViralEchoesInc]

What app did you use for the robot and whale generation that looked awesome

[@thomasrudder9639]

I had crabs once. It really sucked

[@delir.6488]

Jensen. Huang, where are you? Two weeks ago YOU laughed at Quantum Computers and their stock sunk 40% !!! Now, Deep Seek came out and SUNK YOU !! Hahaha. Now, Quantum is laughing at : Jensen HUANG 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stumpgrindingdirect2385]

Tariffs and sanctions created this situation.

[@mariamtalabalhaqiqa]

Janus was the Roman god of beginnings, transitions, and endings. He was also associated with doors, gates, and the transition between peace and war.

[@Jan-die-bielie-van-die-Bosveld]

Anyone else noticing the forming of "Skynet"?

[@renascienza.bazarclub]

@@Jan-die-bielie-van-die-Bosveld A network that will destroy the world? Skynet is on X. And is made of humans. Dude, Hollywood is the worst possible reference to understand the real world.

[@gobrad]

Great video… I’m in the music industry and experienced the amazing options we have through AI… Are there similar options on Deepseek ?

[@theorenhobart]

deepseek is a cutdown AI. it is like listening to music on a 16 bit recording. if u understood anything about calculus then u would know this. this model will not give answers anywhere near as good as the fully maximized ones

[@renascienza.bazarclub]

@@theorenhobart You tested it? I did. And perform at exactly the same level of GPT o1.

[@robabahanii4469]

Test it at least its even with o1 model

[@renascienza.bazarclub]

@robabahanii4469 Tested here and seems to be comparable. In code generation, Deepseek is even better.

[@bldomain]

Says who? Says you? Who are you?

[@VishalPawar-gc8gj]

This is a sign for US companies to hire new talent and replace old comfortable ones