DEF Failure or What Happens When You Put BAD DEF In A Diesel Truck / Lessons Learned

[@googleuser569]

Call bull ish on this video, simply because of the main info needed was not disclosed. If he happened to really encounter this, and it seemed pretty tragic, how could he forget important info and not disclose it🤔? How to check the code, well explain!! Bull ish video.

[@rickysafer2895]

I run Peak DEF in my Ram 1500 ECO Diesel and never had any problems for 3 years, it’s good to see this video because I will definitely start checking the dates on the DEF . I think I would send that bill to PEAK .

[@patriot9455]

I bought DEF from the underground tank at the truck stop, I knew that was as god as it gets.

[@steveappleton4850]

Walmart brand works great with a date,like normal no codes to try to figure out.

[@myfastcars]

Its NOT PEAKS FAULT! Its the stores fault for not rotating the product properly. Old product on the shelf and your in for a repair bill. CHECH THE MANUFACTURS DATE before you purchase it!

[@moparornocar3764]

@@myfastcarstrue but he never said it was out of date he never said only it’s BAD.

[@tooge47]

I will continue to drive my 2001 F250 7.3 powerstroke till the day I die.

[@theovee4321]

Call peak and ask them to cover it

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

Make Peak or Walmart cover

[@tylerdunnam1813]

Walmart, it's their fault for having expired DEF fluid.

[@johnnywalker5635]

Peak will say “legally prove that we caused your $330 bill”.

[@Galaxy2517]

So what is the shelf life of DEF?Do they have some way to recycle expired product?

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

It depends a lot of the temperature it is stored in but one year is the norm. They are supposed to pull it from the shelves but I’m betting since most of us don’t know much about this they don’t either and I’d bet they never pull it.

[@dhansel4835]

Getting a diesel is not what it used to be. The tree huggers need to be all rounded up and sent to the moon.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+D Hansel Propulsion by diesel with required DEF. :-)

[@zzzz-ok7733]

D Hansel no trees on the moon dammit! Just put them on there own Little island with no electricity!!!

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

@@zzzz-ok7733 the no tree portion would be their punishment

[@mikehikes710]

Yeah fuck def

[@mosathome]

We should make them do the work Diesel's used to do then they'd understand

[@joenissan]

I only use peak platinum blue def in my Titan XD. never had an issue. You should learn how to clean the def injector. You using peak was more than like;y just a coincidence.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

I’ve started doing that too in our new van. More $$ but better peace of mind.

[@danielsnook5029]

I've been peeing in my DEF tank for years. I usually do it while fueling which makes for some awkward glances from other fuelers.😁

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Pretty funny. Thanks for the smile.

[@newsveteran4466]

At least you know it's always fresh.

[@EasternExplorer]

The filter on our semi truck cost $4,500. and we had to replace it at least twice a year. We looked into getting a delete kit and we were told straight up that it would be a $6,000 dollar fine to be caught without it. Our home base doesn't really have emission laws but the problem is we travel through multiple states/provinces and every one has different laws on the matter. So if you're legal in one place you're not in another. Crazy.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+Eastern Explorer it is crazy. That's what I would worry about too.

[@duckwacker8720]

Drill about 40 3/8" holes in it. I'd do 50.

[@JimmysTractor]

Cheaper to get caught 1.5x year and fuel savings is a bonus.

[@philwhite2806]

Delete it worth the gamble the water temperature we’ll drop a lot fuel mileage better.

[@captainlaz8994]

Thats only in some states

[@dadams19111]

That is why I am still driving my 2005 2500 diesel!!!

[@marketmakerii]

You sure know how to expand on a story

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

👍

[@krism1753]

I’m sorry you had to learn this the hard way, but thank you for sharing it with everyone. That is really good to know, I’m getting a new ram diesel and I haven’t seen to much on def going bad..

[@scottmoorhouse5664]

All BAD

[@north4961]

No problem, just keep DEF tank at half full. 👍🇨🇦

[@ScottDLR]

Ugh, this is keeping me from buying a new truck. May have to keep my 03 forever.

[@duckwacker8720]

ScottDLR At least your 03 will last forever. A newer non deleted won't last 200,000.

[@mikehikes710]

Def keep fuck the def

[@north4961]

Had the same problem, took off the DEF tank. Sloshed with hot water and drained 3 X. The second time, I left hot water sit in tank for 15 minutes. What I learnt is just to keep DEF level at half tank. This allows the heater in tank to keep DEF warm easier. Originally thought a super full tank was best, in this case less is more 👍✅🇨🇦

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Sorry to hear… good advice.

I can bet the rocket scientists who invented that DEF additive were the top graduates at their universities. It seems the smartest people are actually the most stupid.

[@concreteman8777]

This is when you delete it and you truck will last so much longer

[@g49canfield12]

Send the bill to Peak. Make sure you clean the DEF injector often as well. Tube vids on that

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thank you.

[@meadowviewlawncarellc8079]

Delete the entire emmisions crap. Problem solved.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+Meadow View Lawn Care LLC :-)

[@spreciado82]

Meadow View Lawn Care LLC that's what I did and loving it.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Meadow View Lawn Care LLC I love diesels, but yea, the emissions equipment on the newer generation stuff is horrible. It's like the way it was on gas engines in the early 70s. It's a band aid not a solution... They've pretty much ruined new diesels in my future with that type of engineering.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+MrTheHillfolk I agree for sure. I agree with the intent of being good for the environment but the approach seems to be half baked and expensive for owners.

[@meadowviewlawncarellc8079]

+MrTheHillfolk same here, plain on keeping my diesel as long as possible. I would not want a new one. I was lucky to get mine before def but did have the dpf filter that plugged up. Once deleted my mpg went up a lot engine runs cooler with no egr and actually passes emissions with lower readings then when everything was still on. Go figure.

[@ChatBot1337]

I worked in heavy truck dealership service departments for many years. Diesels used to be 250k trouble free engines. These days youll be lucky to get that before the engine is completely done. Also within that time youll be living with check engine lights, fouled charge air coolers, blown turbos, all of which you paid a premium to experience. Good on ya.

[@buckhorncortez]

And how is all of that related to DEF? DEF is injected into the SCR catalytic system which is part of the exhaust system. Now the fact that diesel trucks have to use exhaust gas re-circulation (EGR) as part of emissions reduction can cause the problems you cite - but, that's NOT DEF RELATED.

[@qdog7119]

Dude your an idiot if u didn't realize the ( forget it)

[@whitetail229]

​@buckhorncortez it's the particulants that get recirculated back into the engine/oil. It's like walking around with a hose out of your rear and into your mouth and trying to breathe

[@TheBlazingKnightsProduction]

Thats not true thats the old diesel dump system. Rhis def does not recycle at all it bonds with the carbon and turns it into hydrogen and oxogen some say wayer but its just the molicules. .​@whitetail229

[@scott1395]

I'm so glad I'm driving a pre Def diesel, 7.3 power stroke! '97 f250 436,000 miles! If I had to buy another truck it would be a used powerstroke! To he'll with $70 to $100 for a new truck! That's insane, paid $23, 500 for mine with 19,000 mile on the odometer! $30,000 new! Hand crank windows, vynal floor mat! No power crap to tear up!

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Sounds like you have it figured out.

[@JGORDON18]

Biggest tip is learning to decipher the manufacture date code. I just bought a 2.5 gallon Blue DEF the day after Thanksgiving and it was manufactured the last week of October. I've seen plenty of jugs sitting on shelves that were well over 6 months old or even a year. The shelf life is supposed to be longer in ideal conditions, but I don't mess with the freshness of my DEF.

[@redstagriding295]

Damn, I just had this happen to my 16 ram. Apparently the last box of peak I put in was bad. Within a few days the def tank gauge is ready all over the board despite the tank being 3/4 full. Dropped the tank to find a white foamy layer in the bottom. Ugh. F"" Ing DEF sysyems!!!! I had deleted my 08 and the fuel mileage went from 13 around town to 19!!! How in the f@@ can they justify sacrificing that much fuel mileage in the day of high fuel prices?

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

So sorry it happened to you too.

[@davidmichael5311]

So, why did you not share with us, the information on how to check to see if it is out of date?

[@phillijp]

$9k for the diesel option, higher fuel cost per gallon and then an extra $1500 to remove all the frustration causing emissions? No thanks I'll keep my gasser. Thanks EPA, you've ruined diesels for this country.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Having watched a lot of diesels (around here mainly with younger guys driving) with smoke billowing into the air when they stomp on the accelerator I understand the need to make it a cleaner exhaust. Seems the intention was good but the execution long term and the quality control might be a miss. As with anything those that can figure out a way to make money on it and these shady dealers seem to be locked in on that. It does seem like it might not be worth it... until you pull that heavy load and the engine just doesn't seem to know it's back there... then it's a nice feeling. And like my son-in-law said, it sounds like a man's truck. :-)

[@wittemanadrian]

phillijp yes, totally agree

[@smoberdeen]

Your post might be better suited for a discussion about gas versus diesel.

[@brianbooher2286]

phillijp its not cheaper if you actualy use a truck for pulling this ultra low sulferis ruining injecter pumps injectors an if it keeps on im going back to gas i hate like hell to go back to gas

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Travel And Fishing Adventures The diesel emissions equipment is akin to the early 70s gas engine stuff. Horsepower robbing and killing mileage. Fast forward 40 years and who drives off the lot in a late model gas anything,and rips the cats off? at least the gas engine stuff works in harmony with the engine. The diesel situation is sad, late models are ruined.

[@quintonclark2339]

Just go to a truck stop the DEF is fresher.

[@sherriweber7105]

I found this video just now so I watched it. It says it’s from 6 years ago. It was great to know about that DEF fluid you got that damaged your diesel truck. Sorry that happened. I hope they took that DEF off the market so no else buys it and it happens to them. I’m glad you got the truck fixed and they found out what it was. Thank you Owen and Lynn for this video and information.

[@yamahaventure9599]

You say the Blue DEF you bought was not fresh, but you don't show or say if you ever checked the date codes on the box/bottle. I just bought two boxes of Blue DEF and they were manufactured July 5, 2020 so they were both right at a month and a half old. That is pretty fresh. Did you ever check the date code or are you just taking the world of the FCA mechanic? Maybe it was the other brand of DEF you had been running and the new DEF fluid brought the problem out.

[@NickBeek]

I have always gone to my local truck stop and used the DEF pump that the trucks use. It’s actually less expensive and the place I go is very busy so I feel confident that the DEF they are dispensing is always fresh.

[@shanephelan75]

REMOVE ALL DEF SYSTEM AS SOON AS YOU BUY TRUCK!!!! IT SUCKS, IT RUNS BETTER MORE POWER BETTER MILAGE WITHOUT IT AND ADD 5INCH STRAIGHT PIPE. YOU WONT REGRET IT!!!! better all the way around and u never have to buy or fill DEF. plus more power and better fuel economy. add straight pipe for even more increase

[@mikebird1930]

once we run out the warranty, I did a def egr delete with a small tune. My 13 Ram runs much better and I get much better fuel millage.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thanks for watching and for the advice. I assume you are in a state that doesn't monitor emissions?

[@duckwacker8720]

Travel And Fishing Adventures that's why it's tuned it tricks the computer and tells it everything is working. If there's no lights on nothing comes up during emissions.

[@Ismm1337]

Or just pay the 200$ for the illeagle smog.. What you woulda spent on def fluid for the year or two...

[@gc9376]

Mike Bird! I must agree with your comment. I drive a Volvo and disconnected the DEF. I must say that the fuel mileage is much greater with that mess disconnected.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Good to know. How much better is fuel mileage after delete?

[@codyphillips48]

Best thing to do if you live in a free state is to delete the truck and get rid of the def and egr. The benefits are fuel economy don't have to use the DEF don't have to worry about EGR coolers rupturing.

[@DALPIK]

so if you run it on fresh morning pee it should work best since it's the freshest that you could get 😊

[@Funky4me21]

Here it is 2020, my 2016 Nissan Titan sits in my Garage with a failed SCR.. no idea how it failed.. I only have 23,000 miles on the truck in 4 years.. but the SCR cost is $4000, and that is only a shotgun fix. Could add up to a lot more.. I bought some Walmart DEF on a Clearance sale.. my issues happened shortly after adding the DEF. But the dealer service said the DEF tank fluid was OK.. Not sure what the Date was on the DEF.. and when I purchased some Blue Def Platinum at AZ they were not sure of the date of that DEF either..

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

So sorry. I have now started using just Platinum DEF. May not help but if it does just once it will be worth it.

[@wildandliving]

Aftermarket exhaust and a tune job Def delete stupid limp crap like that is why people remove it

[@derektaylor6713]

Ad blue is bad news. We have it in our motorhome. Some have needed new tanks at a cost of anything up £3,000!!!!!

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

We leaned the hard way too… but not that $$$

[@arrowhead2B]

Doing a delete next week new truck already had the DEF heater replaced can’t trust it on trips nothing like a 60k truck having issues soon to be 62k after delete good luck people I miss my gas truck

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Wow! So sorry. Let us know how the delete goes ok?

[@andrewm4951]

How has the delete been? I just got a code reading reduction tank heater circuit high. Im so sick of the emissions crap.

[@chadsanislo560]

I hear ya.your right the new gas motors are way more reliable.I had a 6.4 hemi with no issues and strong and now own a 17 cummins which pulls great but the goverment ruined the diesel industry..Screw the EPA

[@LuisAc]

some mechanics can just bypass that system "Delete" so you don't have to use it anymore. the cat and Egr clean the exhaust pretty good. if in your area you dont have emissions control just delete.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thanks for your comment.

[@tylerbuckley7409]

dysfunctional engine fluid garontee to mess up the dpf system be sure to check the filters for the dpf make sure its cleaned cause the fluid will build up the carbon from the exhaust stick inside the filter I had my peterbilt and Kenworth in the shop more times than needed because of the def system fooling the dpf sensor and carbon build up great video tho

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+Tyler Buckley Great advice Tyler.

[@benbasicker749]

You have no idea how aftertreatment even works. Def is injected downstream of any filters.

[@JimmysTractor]

ben basicker you have no idea- water will cause second filter to clog without amonia, the second filter clogs then nothing moves.

[@clintjohnson7023]

I've always ran blue def name brand in my truck. Last week I decided to put auto zone name brand in my truck. And bam my service def system light comes on. . I said that's it f..k the feds. This shits coming off my truck. I out it in the shop. Having the truck deleted. And registering truck as farm truck.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

👍

[@mds19238]

I was informed by an engineer in the automotive industry that DEF is actually Urea amonia, not actual urine...developed by your friends at Mercedes in Europe over twenty years ago. He suggested having it deleted if you can. Food for thought.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Twenty years ago? Wow! Good food for thought. Thanks.

[@mauriceupton1474]

Adblue def fluid uses 33% urea, 67% de- ionised water. Sensor works on thermal conductivity, i.e., concentration.. Syphon the bad stuff out of the tank. Add the good fluid. They say you can't trick the sensors, but others say distilled water works ok.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thanks for all the great info.

[@johnhalchishick6557]

SEEMS LIKE WALL MART MIGHT BE TO BLAME FOR HAVING OUT OF DATE CRAP FOR SALE

[@xtremeboxers2851]

To all careful when you buy, but especially if you order thru the inte rnet. I bought some thru Advanced Auto Parts and they blurred the date code. Yes, they refunded my money, but watch out for assholes like that.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thanks for sharing.

[@nonyabizwax5892]

I always get the def at the truck stops. It just moves faster and no time to sit. I do get the walmart brand to keep a box in the truck if I'm going out west because of the windy area uses more of it. I used a full tank between Texas border alone one day. I had to use my back up bottle . I refill the jug at the truck stop and use it every so often then refill and keep in the back. never get the def boxes at truck stops. they often sit outside and in the heat. get them from a box store or walmart where they are stored inside in a cool dry place. heat distress def badly.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Great advice. Thank you.

[@trenton1880]

Stuff is an absolute joke I had a 2015 Duramax I had 23 thousand miles on it and the def pump shit the bed. Under warranty but what an inconvenience having your brand new truck down for a day or 2.

[@mack1ford]

What happens is the yeriea (amoniea) seperates from the water when it sits so shake it and if you have the stuff to check it do so.i don't have it worry yet since i do live in cancerfornia were everthing gives you cancer there my dino does not need and or have a dpf .my truck is a 1991 ford F250 with a 7.3 liter indirect inject navistar diesel.the def is for after treatment to remove what is called nox (nitrousoxide).in a nut shell it's used to turn dino farts in to unicorn farts.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

🙏 for advice. Helps to know this

[@whiggerhunter4268]

Buy my products or I'll disable your truck..

[@johnleibenguth2563]

Had this issue with my 2015 Chevy 2500 coming back from buying a large quantity of stock feed. Dealer claimed DEF tank needed to be drained and cleaned which would have cost $475.00 which wasn't covered by the service plan and I told them it was a bad NOX sensor which was covered. Turns out it was a bad NOX sensor and when I showed the readings from the code reader showing the live data to get them to fix it the dealership people and mechanic turned and walked away not wanting to talk to me anymore. Bad small town Chevy dealership, bad machanic, bad design.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

It’s crazy how many people has had this same problem. Thanks for sharing.

[@ScottDLR]

Shouldn't the retailer pull this stuff of the shelf when it ages out? They do it for grocery items. I want a new truck but it's stuff like this that keeps me in my 03 Ram.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

You’d think they’d have to pull it. But... unfortunately most actually push it to the front to “get rid of it”.

[@prenticesawtelle1241]

I have seen on u tube of people putting water in the def tank and it works u might try that they have been doing it in semi trucks and it doesn't affect the engine at all just to let u know

[@bwardis38hot]

I seen that too

[@abegs4088]

Please, please check out Brenntag Northeast website, Def doesn't go bad the product you bought is poor quality Def fluid.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thank you Andy.

[@williewonka1970]

Get a cheap suction pump from Harbor Freight and drain it yourself. Takes about 15 minutes to drain add mopar DEF fluid. Save yourself some money. DO NOT store DEF fluid in your truck.

[@JuanEspinoza-lu8wp]

Don't feel bad,at least you put DEF in the Def tank. I put DEF/DEATH in my diesel tank. 2020 GMC Sierra Duramax, $12,000 to replace the whole fuel system. FKML.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

O no, that’s sounds really bad. So sorry.

[@nathanhunter8740]

Thanks for the tip and sorry it had to happen. Bu my story may make you feel better. In 2004 I bought a brand new dodge 3500 with the cummins, awesome truck. But during the 2008 pres. election, someone sabotaged my truck. They apparently didn't like the McCain sign in my yard. Anyway, someone poured something into the tank and the truck just pretty much wouldn't run at all. I had it towed to the local dodge dealer. They checked it, tested the fuel and found something mixed with the diesel that they couldn't identify but it made the fuel look like milk. So, $16,000.00 (sixteen THOUSAND American dollars) and a week later, i got my truck back. I was told they had to replace pretty much everything that had anything to do with the fuel system. But I had no choice. (I did buy a locking fuel cap right after that) Lastly, the service guy at the dealer asked if i had contacted my insurance company about it, I said no. He said well do because it was obviously sabotaged and they may pay at least part of it. So I called triple A and they agreed. So in the end i only (only?!) had to pay about $7k of that $16k and they picked up the rest. Now the moral of the story. Keep a locking fuel cap on your vehicle, and don't post political signs in your yard if you're a conservative because some Libtard may come by and destroy your property. Take care, Semper Fi., and MAGA !!

[@scottmoorhouse5664]

That was DEF fluid all right Nathan. People mistakingly put it in thier diesel tank and it destroys the whole engine pretty much.

[@DavidLarew]

Who tried to overthrow the government on Jan 6?

[@richardgarnett7326]

Sorry to hear of your difficulties but the PEAK DEF is not the problem your Ram Dealer is. The explanation they gave you cannot be true. Even if the concentration of the Urea in the DEF is below the specification, (this is extremely unlikely) the DEF control in your truck will simply add more and not indicate a fault. The reason for your trouble will have been a NoX sensor or system failure error. Take it up with your dealer, you will probably find that they were just not up to speed with this new technology. Did the dealer or you have the sample of DEF tested? What were the results? The excuse they provided is not credible. I have been working with DEF / AdBlue since 2003 and on my second SCR/DEF vehicle. In Europe, where this emission control technology was first implemented it also took some time for the industry and its customers to be properly educated. Challenge your RAM dealer for a refund.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thank you!

[@allenpardon8211]

Never use shelf def. go to Truck stop and use def at the pump for 279 per gallon.

[@infidelbob1042]

my problem started when I filled up at truck stop. So that's not the fix..

[@wesleyrichardson2841]

Never use DEF period. Delete that garbage emissions equipment and get a longer lasting engine and more power/torque and MPG to boot. DEF, DPF, and SCR are completely unnecessary for lowering emissions. If you disagree, please explain how burning a lot more fuel reduces emissions? Especially since the exhaust has a diesel injector that serves no other purpose then to burn fuel to create heat in the exhaust to blow out a filter that is there to reduce emissions..... I'd love to see how bad the emissions are on a diesel that's undergoing a regen. I'll bet it's hundreds of times higher than allowed by the EPA under normal circumstances.

[@allenpardon8211]

Wesley Richardson that would be nice but 2019 and newer no longer possible

[@wesleyrichardson2841]

@@allenpardon8211 oh yeah it is, someone will crack it.

[@tyronekirkwood4955]

My Truck did the same thing after using Peak. No more Blue DEF for me. In shop now.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

So sorry, it’s not a fun feeling.

[@thearrival7828]

Best def is the kind you get at the loves or pilot at the pump. Because it fresher then the kind they have on the shelf plus it's $2.75 per gallon not 14.99 for 2.5 gallons. Before I did my def delete I carried a 5 gallon gas can just for def. If you buy at the pump its on the fuel side where the big trucks fuel when u get the nozzle

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+Ray Gallegos Since my one and only fail with DEF I’ve only put DEF in at Pilot’s in the truck fuel lane. Cheaper and has to be better. I have had one person on here comment that their failure came from diesel in the DEF at a truck stop so not everything is perfect I guess.

[@davidkovalski1531]

Motor City Mechanic has 2 videos on DEF, watch them, you'll learn a lot, he said not to use the def at these stops because they put new def fluid in over the old def.. which makes sense

[@stevexxx6371]

@@davidkovalski1531 the problem is paying $6 a gallon for fluid. After all said and done, you pay truckers over twenty dollars a day for financing pollution system ALONE to deliver freight, big rip off, short life of system. $600 A month on top of other costs to truckers, many are hurting. Politicians, ugh.

[@billmalec]

Than

[@davidhomer78]

I traded in my Ford diesel for gas power after two years and more problems than I needed.

[@snowwhite7677]

Actually 🍁Canadians say "People-Kind" now so this is what you get for quoting them...

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Hey Snow White. Thanks for commenting. This DEF thing was so much of a headache I sold the truck. Not because I had more problems though. I didn't... at least not after I started getting DEF from truck stops.

[@mahmoudlover1]

Hello guys, I'm a truck driver and we have the same DEF system. emergency situation like that, all you can do is to disconnect the speed sensor from the transmission, and you will be able to drive 2k Miles if you want , but you may not be able to get full power for speed, for example no more than 65mph ,

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+NorthFace I wish I was mechanical enough to do that if needed. My wife would sure be constantly asking if I was sure I was disconnecting the right thing. :-)

[@craigbarnthouse9248]

Fantastic video, albeit at your expense. I have driven F250 diesels since 2011. I"ve been using DEF this entire time and had no idea as to an expiration date and the possible damaged to be caused from "bad" DEF. In fact I have 2 boxes of Blue in my warehouse that have been sitting there for about 8 months. I think I'll just throw them out and keep using fresh.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Very glad it helped you. Thanks for letting me know.

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

Craig Barnthouse Why don’t you order some pH test strips or buy a kit from pool supply chem dealer and test for pH of 4-8? Should be stable in that range. It decomposes to carbon dioxide and ammonia. Result would be a distinct odor and higher pH. Compare pH with household ammonia.

[@dkafsky]

@@FrankGutowski-ls8jt The problem is crystalization. I'm on my phone so I can't do computer things on it. Bur if you read earlier comments. Someond explained that the aging fluid will start to form crystals , which block up the system. Makes sense. Guy explained to avoid ANY crystals getting in system can screw it up. Suggested flushing area of filler, nozzles , not reuse containers because if any dries it forms crystals.

[@weekender1014]

@@dkafsky Does it only go bad in the box? How about the DEF in your vehicles tank? You're mixing old with new, the tank is never full for very long, crystals could form in the top part of the tank.

[@cseles81]

My honest condolences. I do have the exact same issue, only difference, I have a 2.0l diesel Ford. I am not that lucky, as Ford is saying, my type of tank can not be washed/rinsed it must be replaced. (Closed cell, no drain hole, one-way-only). Sure, I could cut it open to drain, and patch it again, but I'd loose 2 years of warranty. So costs of the tank is now 1000 USD (!!!). I still challenge Ford's statment that DEF (Adblue) was out of spec, so I have an appointment at the Hungarian State Forensic Institute for an official certificate of Adblue quality. Sad enough, I first need to sponsor the replacement (1000 USD) so I can get the tank de-mounted, so I can bring this to the forensic laboratory. Should the DEF be of good quality, Ford can pay... If DEF is indeed bad, retailer of the DEF can pay... either way I will fight for my rights. Ford doesn't care, retailer doesn't car, so if I will not care, they continue their dirty practice on-and-on with other victims.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

So sorry. Good luck with the fight. I hope someone is held accountable.

[@cseles81]

@@VANTREKKINGlifestyle just got back my car yesterday from Ford Dealership fixed. All-in-all around 1000 USD equivalent. The fluid was tested by me on the spot, and I never had expected that, but it was indeed low on carbamide (18%, instead of 32,5%). Lessons learned, and I can not promote it enough: buy yourself a refractometer! It cost approx. 30-40 USD, but it is well worth it. The sample was taken (uncut, I single video, everything on tape) from the old tank. Sealed with security stickers, and handed over this morning to the State (actually Customs) Forensic Laboratory. Retailler of the DEF says, he is willing to pay, but only if I sue him, so he can also sue his supplier. Waiting for the certified results, but at least my Ford is running again.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

@@cseles81 so sorry. But man you've learned a lot about this.

[@blackmantis001]

Gheez checking dates and strips? This is too damn much. Im going to get a 2012 cummins and legally bypass this foolery!

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+Cyril T That is a great option.

[@concretejungle77]

say doesn't a 2012 still require DEF fluid? why a 2012?

[@cjeam9199]

It is not legal to bypass or delete emissions controls on your vehicle. You have to buy one that didn’t come with it from the factory. Of all the emissions controls DEF is one of the least problematic.

[@THEjasonTDI]

@@concretejungle77 no. BUT, they get worse fuel economy because they burn more fuel for a regen. Same thing with VW TDI's the last of them had DEF and got 8-15 mpg better than the non-DEF cars. My 12' RAM gets atrocious fuel econ towing our big toy hauler. But it'll pull it up the rockies without issue. I suffer the FE loss by not having to breath the soot and nox. Being in the Diesel repair world for 17 years has caused a serious asthma issue with me.

[@concretejungle77]

a 2012 Dodge Ram cummins does require DEF and is illegal here in California to take it off.... @@THEjasonTDI

[@blackhatter011]

Buying a Fiat was the stupid mistake.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Yep!

[@georgemulligan8958]

You need to do a complete delete as soon as possible or your engine will be fried within fifty thousand miles. I have owned a fleet of Cummins diesels and as usual the government gets involved and disaster strikes

[@ghostmost2614]

What do you mean by complete delete

[@plog1805]

Call Ryan at Dale's Super Store if you need any help.@@ghostmost2614

[@tjmartin34]

Funny how billions of dollars are spend on engineering theses engines and you say to delete everything by someone who spend what ,50k or 100k on some programming to fool the ecm? What a joke . Go ahead delete that egr and see what happens down the road. Then delete the rest. Because you think it actually makes more power. .... until you have to go to the dealer because you need the radio programmed... and oops I (wink wink nod nod) selected replace and reprogram the ecm. Good luck driving that home. Because I can 😂

[@georgemulligan8958]

@@tjmartin34 I run a fleet of 27 ram trucks the first thing I do is delete the d e f system most of my vehicles now are over 300,000 miles I get much better gas mileage and no breakdowns perhaps you should do some research before you start flapping your lips

[@tjmartin34]

George Mulligan wow!!! 27 trucks!! That’s so many. Maybe you don’t know where I work or what I do for a living, before or make a comment about flapping my lips. I have more knowledge than you will ever have about emission systems or Diesel engines. 27 trucks... that 3 days worth of work.

[@kinggzz]

fyi, we always use def at the filling stations where the commercial trucks fill up. 40,000 miles later we got the same exact codes you said you got. literally said to contact the dealer. the morning of our appointment we programed the nav with the dealers address and within 30 seconds the codes all went away, dealer siad that was a coincidence. anyhow... they checked all the codes and it was something to do with the sensors before and after the def, which means bad def fluid and supposedly they needed to drain the def and clean the tank. BUT since the codes reset, they didnt have to do that. gm dealer said that its the sensors NOT the actual def fluid. if it shows its ass again they will replace the sensors. so i doubt it was your actual def fluid. id say it was your factory sensors just like mine.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

It just sucks doesn’t it?

[@kinggzz]

@@VANTREKKINGlifestyle yup. its technology, cant live with it, cant live without it. but its never acted up in any way before or after that event. its an awesome truck and has the power we need to pull anything we need it to. we also get between 20-25 mpg unloaded which is fantastic for a big truck.

[@roywhiteeagle9058]

Thanks I intend to learn from you, I did hear this before and intend to look into a “tester” to test the def

[@scottwoodard9666]

If that's all you spent ..be happy..plus schooling isn't cheap..unless you're on the system

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Very true!

[@jponyboyace]

Thanks for the heads up.....

[@m3chgeek470]

Easy fix don't buy a truck that takes DEF.

[@gregrichter6614]

Dummy that not the issue

[@m3chgeek470]

@@gregrichter6614 yeah the real problem are all the dumb people at work for the EPA saying that we need to put Pig piss in our trucks to keep the exhaust down DPF DEF biggest joke I've ever heard for diesel. Put a bunch of crap that plugs up your exhaust for cleaner exhaust makes a bunch of sense burn twice as much fuel and have less power🤔

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Hey Northern Badlands OL. Thanks for commenting. This DEF thing was so much of a headache I sold the truck. Not because I had more problems though. I didn't... at least not after I started getting DEF from truck stops.

[@olben1095]

Peak products are usually a choice of last resort.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

It is for us now.

[@sterlingwitherspoon5709]

Will a def delete cause the truck to not accelerate at all when pressing the pedal and throwing a u010e?

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+Sterling Witherspoon Not sure. Haven’t done it. Maybe someone else here can answer it?

[@jezzie1965]

Use plain water save money it's a bunch of BS

[@williewonka1970]

Plain water will put CEL on really fast and cost you money to drain out.

[@andresr7341]

Lol wait till your scr, dpf filter, after treatment injector, fail you my friend will hate new diesels 4 life on top of that regular egr valves codes n dpf codes yep... If you are not an otr truck driver don't waste your money on diesel ohh another thing def fluid on pumps like truck stops its fine I use it for 750k miles already no problems plus its cheaper so safe ur money, my advise learn how the system works and learn how to service it yourself as much as possible n do regular dpf and scr cleaning every year if your doing over 150k per year n egr tune up good luck.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+Andres R You are scaring me big time. Wow!

[@justacajun90]

My best advice and I can speak for myself since I own a new generation diesel myself. Delete it. Delete your whole emission system. I’ve done it and haven’t had a lick of problems since. In fact. She runs BETTER than the day I drove her off the lot brand new.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+justacajun90 Thanks. Glad it is working for you.

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

Justin Blanc Do you know what Federal law and fine is involved in doing that?

[@dylanshuey826]

I have a 2015 Ford F-350 with the 6.7L diesel and I have ran Peak Blue DEF since I bought it new (112k miles on my truck now) and I’ve never had one issue with my DEF.

[@upsidedowndog1256]

I wouldn't buy a truck that has to have an extra fluid just to pass emissions.

[@Big88Country]

That's like saying I wouldn't own a car that had an egr valve to pass emissions! It's not the vehicles, it's the government!!

[@themofo1111]

I had the same issue, but with the Walmart brand stuff. I can’t remember the exact name.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thanks for sharing.

[@mattg8787]

Def is a joke

[@user-ej5ky1hj6r]

Always only use factory DEF. the cost is not that great and you keep liability in the manufacturers hand for mostly already problematic systems. Meaning problems for diesel engines not the emissions systems. Just fyi

[@sterlingyoung88]

I’ll keep my 7.3

[@Nostradamus_Order33]

TiresBiggerThanTexas 2001

[@jondavidbristow9819]

I have a 7.3 and a 6.7 and the 6.7s power is outstanding compared to the 7.3

[@DaddyyCrab]

It’s not a stupid mistake, how were you to know? You expect products to work. I’m going thru the same thing myself. My Duramax is going to the shop tomorrow.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

You are correct I never anticipated that the DEF would be bad.

[@CFArmouredCrewman]

Thanks for posting this! You can also buy the Mopar DEF right from the dealership and it’s pretty much the same price. It has a date code in English on it that tells you exactly when it expires. I don’t understand how some people try to save 2 to 3 dollars on a jug of DEF and take the risk on an $80,000 truck. My new ram 3500 will only get Mopar DEF and I’ll keep the receipts and if I get a bad jug when the date code said it was good guess who’s paying for the flush, not me. Detroit city mechanic has a great video on the testing tools available as well. Watch the test strips they can be almost as expensive as the analog refractometer which is infinitely reusable.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thank you for sharing this information.

[@SubVet1984]

Excellent point in vehicle cost and trying to save a couple of bucks.

[@nighthiker8872]

Tim W. Foley.

[@moparornocar3764]

Oh so it’s the cost of it that tells you if it’s good or bad?

[@CFArmouredCrewman]

@@moparornocar3764 Lol no it’s the word “Mopar” on the side that tells my stealership (and Stellantis)!that they don’t have any grounds to void my warranty claim.

[@michaelbuehrer5674]

Buy DEF from your local Dealership. You cannot go wrong.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thanks.

[@ashleyshaffer6618]

Purchase at truck stops at the fuel island !!! It’s goid pee 99% of the time !!

[@MrLuka90]

Well this is not good idea. I am professional truck driver and I am buying at Menards Kleen DEF

[@mo-gee7151]

Buy From your own Dealer, Have the put it in. Costly but they are responsible. In the least keep the receipt from the purchase of the fluid they sold to you.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Great suggestion. Thanks.

[@4u2NV4Q2]

all big trucks in miami eliminates that DEF system truck been running fine even gotten DOT inspection with no problem

[@jerrysantos6484]

MY GOD GIVIN RIGHT Legally, you can. Just stay away from California where it is mandatory. We did the same here in Texas.

[@jjosephm7539]

NY IN THE 80s Thanks for informing EPA about the DEF delete

[@JimmysTractor]

J josephm they already know. The money has been made. They dont care.

[@talbertsimonian7412]

DEF stands for Desiel Exhaust Fluid. Yes there is a shelf life on DEF. the properties in DEF is 32.5% Urea. And 68.5% distilled water. You cannot make a home brew for it to work. It will flag a fault code. It has quality sensors inside the DEF tank.

[@bwardis38hot]

Just see a video where two trucks were filled with straight water an ran fine. One for over 20 days

[@jeffdrier4460]

Diesel exhaust fluid. It's main part is urea... not urine.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+jeff drier Know that now. Knew it then but misspoke and didn’t catch it with so much in n my mind. Wish I could have edited it after the fact to correct a few grandpa’isms :-)

[@Smedleydog1]

But urea is found in urine. So go ahead and piss in your DEF tank..... : ) (not really) It's also found in sweat, milk and blood.

[@JJJJ-uq6gg]

I seriously would like to see a video about the dpf def filled with fresh urine and find out if it works better than the blue filtered portapoty dpf def water. Or if it would clog the system more than the blue piss water.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Me too... but I’m not sure I want to risk that on our truck until I see a few videos from others. Probably what you are thinking too I bet.

[@JJJJ-uq6gg]

Yes that was my train of thinking, probably best to test on older trucks that will be retired soon anyways.

[@johnnywalker5635]

My powerstroke uses 0.02 gallons on DEF per one gallon of diesel burned. Periodically pull into a truck stop fuel pump. Something similar to a Pilot Flying J or the other competitors I can’t think of now. Most places near me it’s $2.99 per gallon for DEF. It’s trucking industry grade Urea and also doesn’t have the same self life issues as the bottle brands at retail stores. Also, the truck stop DEF storage tanks are cleared out and replaced with fresh DEF fluid more regularly than the Bottles in WalMart. So you can rest assured your getting quality DEF fluid, fresh DEF fluid and even better it’s about 1/3 the price as BLUEDEF

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Thank you.

[@teeg3275]

The DEF stuff is garbage. I would delete the emissions stuff after warranty is over.

[@duckwacker8720]

Tool Craze I go from the dealership to the tuner. As soon as it's deleted you won't need a warranty.

[@mikehuppi4426]

My truck took a crap within 50 miles of adding some a few years ago, My check engine lights came on and had to get to the dealer within 200 miles. I took it in and the dealer said it was bad DEF and contaminated. I sent a sample to peak and they said it was fine. It cost me about $1000 for that

[@tonydacosta6410]

You need to sent Peak the repair bill and 3 rental car days bill. If they don't pay it you file a small claims court action against them.

[@jfbeam]

Walmart might be in the wrong. Peak had nothing to do with it; they sold it to walmart, and now it's in their hands. Of course, in court, the owner will hold some (or all) of the blame for not checking the expiration, and/or checking the strength of the fluid before using it.

[@wh8085]

Actually , the EPA should have to pay the bills on everyones DEF troubles. I have a code showing right now and I'm " pissed " ya might say !

[@kfelix2934]

FWIW DEf has a 3 year shelve life and their's a treatment for def that you should run every 5K made by Risoline crystal clean. You should run this at least 2x a year

[@johnastefanik8212]

Did he just say diesel emission fluid it's diesel exhaust fluid

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Yes I did say it wrong. I have since learned that that is not the proper name of DEF it is a diesel exhaust fluid. I had an old man brain fart. Laugh out loud

[@nighthiker8872]

Does DEF have a shelf life?

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

Yes it does, there are a lot of videos out there describing how to read the code on the box to make sure it’s not out of date.

[@DawsonTyson]

I'd get a lawyer and sue peak. That's a failure of QC.

[@sgakla]

John dawson sew what ?

[@DawsonTyson]

Just Greg thanks for the edit, brah..

[@buckhorncortez]

Really? How do you know the vendor didn't put on a back shelf, let it go out of date, find it, and then put it out for sale? That's not Peak's fault. They can't force the vendor to rotate stock.

[@diezeled]

Actually he should go after the store that sold it. They should be monitoring the expiry dates on the def they sell...no different when the have to discard food that is past expiry. I would go after them.

[@DawsonTyson]

@@buckhorncortez I spent several years stocking this 💩 and never saw an expiration date.

[@Mike-01234]

It's because you had been using Walmart brand previous does not have the iso 22241 which Dodge says you have to use. That Walmart brand of Def fluid has caused lot of people to have same problem go look over at cummins forum word got around to stop using it. My guess is this had nothing to do with the peak but you mixed the cheap Walmart brand with the peak problems with it. My company stopped buying diesel pickups because of Def they are buying big gas engines now because they had so many problems with diesel emmision control. You got away cheap on that repair lucky it wasn't the particulate filter that's about $1200 repair. The dealer gets away with not being a emmision control repair call it maintenance not a repair. Also don't let the def run really low if you live in cold area of the country it has a heater in it and if you do that guess it burns out when the level gets really low. I now refill when it gets to 1/4 full because the heater coil is $500 repair.

[@josephwright8002]

so just pee in the tank. you know it fresh.

[@VANTREKKINGlifestyle]

+joseph wright I’d have to drink a lot more fluids :-)

[@Dildo_Baggins.]

drink whiskey, it'll increase your horsepower AND mileage with the added benefit of making getting there much more fun!

[@mohamedsharif5693]

do not buy DEF fluids from walmart for your truck it will damage your truck engine period thank you for telling us and i already knew that

[@terenceperry3288]

I haven’t had a problem