A master key will unlock anything, a Master lock will secure nothing.
@makebreakrepeat4 жыл бұрын
This should be called "When lockmakers cut corners"
@TRowland2234 жыл бұрын
haha . . . cut . . . corners
@jrchicago92164 жыл бұрын
As a locksmith and expert witness, Do Not Copy or Do Not Duplicate is an only an instruction to the holder of the key not to copy it. The exception are US Postal and US Government keys which make it unlawful to copy. State Universities may also have a State law protecting them. Then there are patent controlled keys, which the manufacturer has the option to sue anyone who replicates those keys. If the manufacturer determines a threat to the patent, they may sue - even if they just want to prove a point and drain your bank account and run up your credit cards in legal fees. Medeco is a good example of a company that has an aggressive legal position. Holding a key you copied is also potentially a legal burglary tool. I also have the side milling machine in this presentation and it’s a royal bitch to get it right. The side milled key is not held in place as well as it’s a bit sloppy. The high security locks are really tight tolerances. Literally one thousands on an inch can be the difference in a working key and not. I don’t agree it’s easy to use a lathe to copy these. The spacing is so tight that you will be spending a great deal of time. Many test keys get ruined. And I know exactly what I am doing... It’s never impossible, but really something far more for machine precision type of people who are THE most determined and willing to accept a slow and for some endlessly agonizing torment and defeat. There is a big difference between an experienced locksmith and am amateur in reality.
@kapcsford Жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@Novers4 жыл бұрын
Losing a lock is a threat model I've always found interested
@JlerchTampa4 жыл бұрын
Paging lockpickinglawyer and BosnianBill please pick up the pink courtesy phone.
@MikeHarris1984 Жыл бұрын
2-man rule has two different keys too... to prevent someone from duplicating... so that is not a huge risk. 2man rule is also done via software for high security areas, like inside an HSM... where two or more people have a "password" and when all people type in their "password" it makes the master password via salting the final insert to match the encrypted master.
@saltyroe31794 жыл бұрын
My favorite security system was Rand Corporation in Santa Monica in 1970. There was a guard who knew everyone and had book of individuals authorized.
@DrTune4 жыл бұрын
Tough audience; I was applauding ;-)
@boshypatry4 жыл бұрын
35:15 you can simply rotate all the disks as far clockwise as they will go and then get the pick that LockPickingLawyer and BosnianBill made
@thorlancaster56414 жыл бұрын
Good luck with that Protec2. No one has picked that lock (yet)...
Interesting presentation. I rarely encourage an end user to buy restricted keyway locks because the lock cylinders and key blanks have a 4-6 week lead time from any given manufacturer. On top of that the owner must provide a letter of authorization for a distributor to purchase these products and it must be snail-mailed to the manufacturer (most commercial hardware manufacturers only sell to authorized distributors, not directly to end user). If a building owner needs keys in a hurry that ain't gonna happen. I'm skeptical that the average hacker will have the skills to make a restricted keyway as shown in the clip but I admire their ability to do so. Bottom line: there's faster and easier ways to breach physical security.
@samsunglg66714 жыл бұрын
I made several copies of the public housing keys for my friends using Jet's commercial/AIR NS blanks [green color] for 6-pin Biaxials while I worked in my dad's hardware store. 1) Configured the copies by the Medeco machine 2) Then use an automatic machine to trim down the sides of the neck, with a monster-locking-wrench for stability They all work seamlessly, I charged $10.00 for each copy, I have no licenses of any kind for key cutting just working out of passion.
@TheLoiteringKid4 жыл бұрын
that titan 2 key looks exactly like my ring of newspaper rack keys. . . .
@johnhendy12814 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic. Really great stuff!
@LockpickingDev Жыл бұрын
Great research and work. Thanks for a great presentation!
@danielluna76484 жыл бұрын
Never been interested in locks, but this is fascinating.
@olepigeon4 жыл бұрын
For a few months, my local Fry's Electronics had one of those automatic key machines. This one must have been configured differently, because it would duplicate ANY key. You could do electronic car fobs and restricted keys, too. It didn't ask. I had my mail key, pool key, and gate keys all duplicated (good thing, too, since I lost one of the pool keys at the pool.) The apartment complex where I was living at the time charged $50 for replacement keys. Unfortunately it was eventually changed to do only house keys. Bah. It's also how I discovered that the USPS does _NOT_ change the locks on the apartment complex's mail box. You have to pay the post office (or maybe the apartment? I remember paying at the post office, though) $25 for a mail key because they claim they have to have a new one made every time someone moves into/outof an apartment. After I had moved out, I still had the key duplicates and had forgotten about them for well over a year. I went to the apartment to drop them off, and out of curiosity I tried my mail key on my old post box. Still worked.
@BboxBoy244 жыл бұрын
Medeco gets defeated. Bowley: Hold my pick set.
@huxleypig694 жыл бұрын
Pff, Bowley aint a patch on Medeco.
@curiouslockpicker89714 жыл бұрын
Fantastic talk! Thank you for sharing =) Are there plans to publicly release the keyway-comparison software?
@daa34174 жыл бұрын
Billy’s a big boy!
@langeludo11 ай бұрын
There's one huge difference between hacking a software lock and a physical lock. For the former the « thief » can possibly take all the time he wants before even being noticed, whereas the later the « thief » needs to be fast. That to say if your house is harder to get into un-noticed than your neighbour you're already diminishing by a lot the odds of being robbed.
@AveragePicker4 жыл бұрын
excellent talk
@Riyame4 жыл бұрын
The funny thing about those USPS arrow keys is that is is a felony to even posses them.
@JGnLAU8OAWF64 жыл бұрын
It should be a felony to use same key on multiple locks instead.
@Chirael4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation 😊
@jamesnekechuk78304 жыл бұрын
7:50 Machine is a Wenxing WX-22
@RookieLock4 жыл бұрын
I want that software! 9:15 Is it available for download ?
@BlackHeartScyther4 жыл бұрын
Lookup "Key Blank Cross Reference" I found one site that gives a pdf of 190 most common for free and another site that gives access to their database of over 84k for $20/yr (4,500 pictures)
@mrfrenzy.4 жыл бұрын
Keyline and Silca sell machines that has complete databases of key profiles inside. Just insert your key and it will show which blanks fit and how much filing needs to be done. Locksmiths have used these for decades.
@luisbautista51764 жыл бұрын
All that pointing to the screen and walking away from the mic could have been avoided with a 2 dollar laser
@goofygal274 жыл бұрын
An XTS3000? Might as well be rocking an Astro Saber
@huxleypig694 жыл бұрын
Does the AWS disc at the rear of Protec II not have any bearing?
@MineTheSkyrimDimonds4 жыл бұрын
You know this seems like a fuck ton of work when you could probably slip the latch or do other more low tech attacks
@iraniansuperhacker4382 Жыл бұрын
that leaves visible and distinct tool marks on locks whereas this wouldnt. Its for sure a rare occurrence but sometimes its important to breech a lock without anyone being able to know because of an obvious brute force entry or less subtle marks made on pins when a lock is picked.
@ferencszabo35044 жыл бұрын
Yeah, "safe places" do exists but only in our imagination! It's only a matter of invested time to go through any security measures, either physical or cyber! The question is: to who are you standing in the way!?! Between the illegal government activities, and the "civilian" AKA not backed up by corrupt law enforcement groups the lines are very blurred!
@barongerhardt4 жыл бұрын
Is a safe place like a safe space, because master lock makers might get triggered.
@samiraperi4674 жыл бұрын
I believe LockPickingLawyer did a video on decoding master keys.
@Wesrl4 жыл бұрын
Deveint has a talk about it as well
@phischtv44974 жыл бұрын
Not talking about "black boxes" and how they work isn't very hacker-ethical, no?
@bbbbeeeaar4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s because it was too expensive for them to get their hands on one. They mentioned the price was prohibitive. Also it’s more valuable to learn about the cheaper and easier methods they discussed.
@l0ckmanjohn4 жыл бұрын
The version a locksmith can buy is right around $10,000 and uses proprietary software that doesn't allow for you to cut restricted keyways. They do also offer a version of software to law enforcement that supposedly does allow for restricted keyways .However i have never heard of it being made available to the public.
@fdsafdsafdsafdsafd4 жыл бұрын
Go on then big guy, go buy one and reverse engineer it. Afterwards publish the results with your full name attached to it. We're all waiting.
@jamcdonald1202 жыл бұрын
what about keys with magnetic elements?
@tybrady644 жыл бұрын
So basically, James Bond could still make a quick clay model of a key and still get laid! Excellent!
@jfan4reva4 жыл бұрын
The Two Man Rule can be overcome with one man,two keys, and some string....
@theycallmefilip4 жыл бұрын
Or abnormally long arms.
4 жыл бұрын
Well, Rob Ford got in to the Toronto City Hall...
@mgjk4 жыл бұрын
The man knew his cracks.
@TheYoutubeVideoFactory25 күн бұрын
Doesn't work with best cormax
@blakeeverett62674 жыл бұрын
These nerds brought it but why do they keep stepping away from the mic to breath?????
@theycallmefilip4 жыл бұрын
If there's anything Chocolate Rain taught me, is to move away from the mic to breathe.
@tybrady644 жыл бұрын
Filip Suciu Ha! That’s got to be one of the best replies I’ve ever read! Seriously.
@blakeeverett62674 жыл бұрын
I’m glad someone got the reference 😂
@tybrady19354 жыл бұрын
@@blakeeverett6267 Ahhhhhhhhhh, ok. So you created the (chocolate rain) comment first that allowed Filip to make his excellent reply. I see! I thought Filip had the most excellent reply to some totally random message. So Filip's reply is still most excellent, but quite as excellent as I first thought. lol.
@NormReitzel4 жыл бұрын
A nit. The color is magenta, not pink.
@XanCalGil4 жыл бұрын
This doesn't help with my combination. I've been trying to get into the box for 13 years, now
@destrierofdark_4 жыл бұрын
Solve it algorithmically.
@DigitalYojimbo4 жыл бұрын
Nuclear missile example, that's if the keys are the same.
@km54054 жыл бұрын
i seem to recall atleast the russian ones needing special alloys due to the heat the equipment generates.
@Hellsong894 жыл бұрын
Excellent point, does anyone have info what ever that is the case? Easy enough to fix, but again cloning key if you are one of the operators is not that difficult.
@DigitalYojimbo4 жыл бұрын
@@Hellsong89 yes I would think the training and gaining entry would be more difficult. Not to mention that the missiles would have to be prepped ?
@AKAtheA4 жыл бұрын
@@km5405 firstly, the russian ones need codes to arm the warhead. Not sure about the Titan II, but all newer US ones do as well. Those codes are what actually keeps the nuclear arsenal safe.
@SyphistPrime4 жыл бұрын
For the 2 keys it would be best to get unique keys, possibly from 2 manufacturers. The government would have the type of money to spend on having a completely unique key made for such things.
@nrok1134 жыл бұрын
whyyyy vertical videos?!
@andreassjoberg31454 жыл бұрын
Lots of locks today combines Key + NFC-Code sent by the key. Still can be defeated by serious hackers, but if you use the same model as for car-keys it basically becomes a total bother to defeat, and the intruder will have to get hold of a legit key instead.
@Teeveepicksures4 жыл бұрын
i love these videos but that tactical vest is some cringy shit
@hornylink4 жыл бұрын
locks, security by obscurity at its finest, or it's dumbest
@daa34174 жыл бұрын
The latter for sure, being that security>obscurity is 100% impossible. Now the feeling of security is a completely different thing, I call that delusional thinking.
@ShahabSheikhzadeh3 жыл бұрын
So many decent concepts but not sharing anything with the community isn't really useful and doesn't bring anything forward. Also no mention of individuals who did a lot of the work before You is pretty lame.
@thespiritof76..4 жыл бұрын
If you don’t cut the damn lock in half wtf you need a key for?
@arthurmoore94884 жыл бұрын
Because this talk is about when you want permanent access to a facility with hundreds of locks. Where they've spent money to have a "special" keyway unique to that facility / organization. This talk can be summed up as, if someone manages to steal at least one of those facilities locks, then they can make master keys for the entire building!
@Nikkeftw4 жыл бұрын
Its fairly easy to make aut, that these guys are from Canada, aye? Its funny how easy they get around with out saying "Like" every 3 word. Makes them sound so much smarter than their southern neighbor.
@lawrenceredmacher43824 жыл бұрын
why does this guy always sound like he's asking a question when he talks
@thharrimw4 жыл бұрын
He is Canadian
@Travelinmatt19764 жыл бұрын
Vertical filming on all their demonstrations.
@thharrimw4 жыл бұрын
Love the canadian
@andybaldman4 жыл бұрын
Can someone give a TL;DW for this?
@arthurmoore94884 жыл бұрын
There are many different things here, but this is one that should stand out. If someone manages to steal at least one of a facilities locks, then they can make master keys for the entire building!
@regortex33644 жыл бұрын
As a locksmith I’m not even going to get into how many things these guys got wrong, I don’t have the time or patience.
@pingozingo4 жыл бұрын
Reg Rock lazy
@iagmusicandflying4 жыл бұрын
Honest question: If I am an adversary duplicate a key wrong but it works in the door I'm trying to get through, is it still wrong?
@daa34174 жыл бұрын
Reg Rock Ouch you sound a bit sour.
@Gennys4 жыл бұрын
Jesus, there are simply too many presentations on keys. WAY too many.
@rickc21024 жыл бұрын
If you ignore half of them, you'll reduce your stress by 50%.