Defective Notifier addressable heat detectors (FST -951)

[@joeycaridi3030]

When testing heat detectors or smoke detectors always make sure you use the Solo Smoke and Heat Tester Poles to test the smoke or heat sensor to see if it works and not using a magnet because using a magnet to test detectors just tests the circuitry by shortening the contacts in the wires

[@nics-systems-electric]

I’m surprise magnet is an option and you’re allowed to use it for testing

[@DaSamNudge]

Seriously from the factory with no thermistor? I thought Notifier was kinda the premium Honeywell brand, it's definitely a good thing these were tested with actual heat in the field

[@ryanwoods4691]

I think it has less to do with Notifier, all of Honeywell sensors are manufactured in the same building. So the Fire-Lite, Gamewell FCI, and Silent Knight/Farenhyt, would all have the same issue. It also has to do with the amount of detectors that were bought for that install, you said 130 detectors. If there was only 50, the fail rate would be way less. Very educative video.

[@dutchwolf2675]

Interesting new devices don't work. Maybe do school smoke detector durability testing. Great video!

[@luyenhua5693]

Can you tell me what the Gen-fault smoke detector is?

[@joeycaridi3030]

Those heat detectors that don’t have that thermal sensor might just be a smoke detector but it was marked as heat detector. The reason is why is because Fire-Lite and Notifier are using the same exact smoke detector mechanisms but the heat detector markings are a new development of an adressable Fire-Lite and Notifier smoke and heat detector combo meaning when the development is complete the thermal sensor will be back inside the detector

[@FireTech7]

It would have a Detector chamber of it was just a smoke

[@joeycaridi3030]

@@FireTech7 And if it did have the thermal sensor if it was a smoke detector, then it would be a smoke/heat combo detector

[@nics-systems-electric]

It is a heat detector but the element turned out to be crushed underneath another piece of plastic making it defective

[@Arun.Kaliyamoorthy]

FST 951, I have installed today, but this is showing as a 'Lo val' trouble. Then it has changed with another FST 951,again showing the same trouble

[@FireTech7]

Yeah it's been happening with all of Honeywell recently, all brands by them are getting affected, Honeywell's gotta get their shit together

[@alexandersalarms5380]

yes

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

Honeywell’s Quality Control at its finest.

[@Roxxofoxxo]

@@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign yes

[@lumenfirealarms]

Hello my friend! This never happened to me! Did you open the cover and see the inside? At the beginning I thought they were different models and needed to be reprogram at the panel but then you show that the system was normal! Hope you can upload some pictures on Instagram of these heat detectors from inside!! And the exact model also!! Thanks I hope you are doing great!! I hope you can check my channel soon!! Stay safe and have fun!!! ....

[@nics-systems-electric]

I did open them up and it turns out the element was in there but crushed underneath of some plastic making a defective

[@lumenfirealarms]

@@nics-systems-electric ohhh hope you can share a picture of the inside of the heat detectors on your Instagram!! Take care!! Stay safe and have fun!!! ...

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@lumenfirealarms once I get a chance maybe I’ll post something on Instagram and make a video for KZbin

[@lumenfirealarms]

@@nics-systems-electric that's great!! Have fun!! ...

[@progen1140]

Nice 👍!

[@Angryjim2007]

Why did you delete you video of you testing a 1970s middle school fire alarm system ? Just asking. 🤔🙂

[@nics-systems-electric]

It was choppy I’ve uploaded it about 18 times today not even joking and re-edited it twice and I can’t work out why it’s doing that I’m actively trying to re-uploaded properly right now not sure what’s going on

[@Angryjim2007]

@@nics-systems-electric ur not the only one. 😐😑🤣😂

[@jpmorales8]

an FSP851 broke down, I replaced it with fsp951; but I get an error in the nfs320 panel, they are not compatible

[@nics-systems-electric]

Sounds like a software issue because they are very much compatible with each other

[@captainchris2016]

I belive you have to reprogram the panel for the new device

[@jpmorales8]

@@nics-systems-electric tHanks

[@theblueexitsign8249]

Did you post today and delete it because I saw it and then when I went back and it was gone I’m not sure if it’s a problem on my end or you just deleted it.

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yes I had to delete is it was choppy for some reason I will have to try again later

[@theblueexitsign8249]

@@nics-systems-electric ok. I thought it was a problem with my phone or my KZbin.

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@theblueexitsign8249 Nope been having problems all day re-uploaded the video about 15 times re-edited the video I’ve tried everything not sure what to do

[@joeycaridi3030]

Notifier FST-951 made by EST

[@michaelloving8004]

I'm no lawyer but that company could be held liable

[@nics-systems-electric]

I don’t know maybe. it also might be on you to properly verify the system

[@VOLTRONDEFENDER4440]

Those heat detectors that don’t have that thermal sensor might just be a smoke detector but it was marked as heat detector

[@nics-systems-electric]

They are a heat detector internally

[@AdovenGamer5224]

Some food for thought, seeming they are marketed as Heat Detectors, but missing the element, wouldn’t that make them Smoke Detectors instead? Compare the defective heat detectors with a Smoke Detector. If they look the same, try a smoke test. If it works with smoke, it was manufactured as smoke, but sold as heat

[@nics-systems-electric]

It would be obvious as it would have a smoke detection chamber you’d visually see the different from the outside

[@N1tr0_fox]

Defective? That's bad lol good job on replacing them

[@Alexander_M_2007]

those heat detectors should be recalled can please put up the system sensor spectralert advance and the system sensor L series

[@nics-systems-electric]

Probably not enough to warrant a recall on all of them

[@calebmorand4604]

I have a question for you. Did you get the devices and panel for your addreable fire alarm system from ebay? And if you don't mind me asking, did you get a good deal on them? Thank you.

[@nics-systems-electric]

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[@Roxxofoxxo]

Honeywell needs get better quality control ngl Kinda annoying how Honeywell is getting crappier each year 😔

[@FireAlert]

Wtf, they just forgot to put it in, that's scary. Notifier is supposed to be the quality line of Honeywell...

[@nics-systems-electric]

I guess they just "forgot" not like it’s a very important piece 😂

[@johndeerefan725]

All brands will never be perfect, even the big brands as mentioned at the beginning of the video

[@NyxKemo]

Now next time you will replace a system you will know to check if the detector is good or not

[@TheCarson116]

I'd call that a manufacturing error of *some* kind. Shame that Honeywell's ownership of all the companies they've absorbed over time eventually led to quality control issues (such as Silent Knight's 6000-series of panels which had hardware problems, I think mainly with the power supply, upon initial launch, which thankfully were apparently fixed later). What cheap plastic those detectors are made out of too, if they can't even take moderately high temperatures.

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

This is just the beginning of the fall of Notifier. Wait until they introduce the Inspire series (microtransaction hell hole) and kill the Onyx series. Notifier should be the best brand of the 4 that Honeywell owns. There should be change.

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yep what are the four brands? I know of notifier firelite and silent knight what is the other one?

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

@@nics-systems-electric Gamewell FCI

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign 👌 thanks

[@TemporalEngineering]

From my understanding, the micro transactions where a myth (IIRC you know this and posted it before the clarification)

[@I_love_electricity]

Bad thermistor. Take the old one out and replace. It should work again.

[@katyushkaaleshkov8078]

First

[@Roxxofoxxo]

No one cares.

[@IanGSully]

Well that was a rip off.

[@nics-systems-electric]

Good thing they were free to me

[@IanGSully]

@@nics-systems-electric That's true, I mean they work, (kind of).

[@Alexander_M_2007]

@@IanGSully yup it was

[@Nicmrict879]

Element mising, u can open it and see

[@Nicmrict879]

BTW I have 4.000.000vnd + 100$