Defendants give shocking evidence at France's Pelicot mass rape trial • FRANCE 24 English

[@nygrl6102]

None of them are "gentlemen". Don't refer to them as such. Show their faces.

[@plant495]

Yes, thank you! How could anyone call any of them "gentlemen." And why aren't they showing their faces?

[@agf1700]

Under French Law, a person’s identity is not given UNTIL they are convicted. Same goes for the victim but in this case,the victim waived her right to anonymity.

[@decristal48]

Calling a scumbag a "gentleman" is wild

[@rosiemackenzie5976]

@@agf1700 The worrisome reality is these men are guilty be default, because there was no way she could have given consent because she was not conscience.

[@agf1700]

@@rosiemackenzie5976 I agree with you. I’m just explaining why their faces are not shown or they haven’t been named. The whole thing is sick and twisted. Apart from her evil husband, what about the 50+ men….what must their families think of them! Unforgivable in my opinion.

[@mdokey3267]

Why keep showing the victim? Show the faces of the accused, so their family and friends know these monsters walk among them.

[@amyheckathorn7172]

@@mdokey3267 Gisele Pelicot chose to have her name released because she has nothing to be ashamed of and all the shame and blame should be on the men. Many of the men are covering their faces (French law allows it) because they are weak and cowardly.

[@PandoraBear357]

Gisele wants to be seen. She wants to not be a faceless victim, so what was done to her can't be downplayed.

[@pdobani]

I agree with you, and as the coment also point out that she want to be seen. I think it can be done both ways at the same time. Expose those nasty men as well. Dont give them any exlusive privacy hiding behind clothing etc. Let people know who they are. These comon odinary men. That has to drug women to get what they want. They are not what a real man is about. Let the people judge them aswell.

[@davidthomas1339]

She does not want to remain anonymous. If she did her right to anonymity would be honoured. And the men have not been found guilty yet.

[@magpiegirl3783]

@@mdokey3267 totally agree.

[@shirleyhaugaard9643]

That’s the problem isn’t it? “Ordinary “ men, they don’t have “Warning , I am a rapist “ on their foreheads , they are just “ordinary “

[@plant495]

Yes. Because in patriarchy, hatred of women is ordinary. It's the norm, not the exception.

[@wtaff16]

Couldn’t agree more! We need to stop calling them “monsters”. They are nurses, truck drivers, dads, grandfathers. Monster implies a boogeyman. They’re average joes we pass every single day. (And despicable c¥nts) x

[@mairametelo644]

Exactly! How the language still projects the criminals

[@oronjoffe]

Certainly! At the same time, not all men rape (I for one do not). Some people do bad things, they are not “criminals “ in the way that people are tall, short, dark or light coloured etc. Society needs to improve, and crime detection needs to improve.

[@stellaburgoyne9473]

@@oronjoffemaybe men just need to stop raping ? Just a thought 🤷‍♀️

[@globallyinterested789]

These men were not "caught up" in this. They actively sought the opportunity to denigrate women. They joined a group labeled "without her knowledge" to even be a part of all of this. They then took the step to take this out of the virtual realm into the physical world around them. This type of man, and many men frankly, especially when it comes to women, do what they can get away with. Many men wouldn't assume they could get away with so much, especially with a written record trail and another man present who could reveal what they've done, but that's a difference in audacity, not what they are capable of. "Caught up" is implies a level of passivity. At the very least, you didn't know how to get out of the way of what happened. When you're seeking this out and premeditating things, you're not "caught up". They were simply "caught" when they had the audacity to either think they couldn't be, or that women are of so little value that even if they were caught, no one would care much.

[@MathieuLLF]

​@@ekanang7550 excuse me? They know... They're awful people.

[@ConsueloCarmonaFitzgerald]

“ men “...ñ

[@Kangostone]

💯

[@thornyback]

It is sickening to think just how many men are fine 'sleeping' with unconscious women and actually gang up with their friends to commit this horrible crime together. They know that the victim cannot consent and is probably being assaulted but they don't care - they feel lucky that she's unconscious so they can get away with it.

[@alexcantelou2469]

You nailed it. I came here to point out what you started your post off with. They weren't randomly sucked into this by a force of nature... some gravitational pull... beyond their own perversion and lack of morals. They were active participants to sought out this exact situation!!! It's not as if it fell into their lap. How utterly absurd to paint it as anything but...

[@kathyirwin]

It's the trial of Dominic Pelicot, not Giselle. This is basic. Get it right.

[@averycheesypotato]

Many men are on trial for their role in these crimes, not just the disgusting excuse for a husband. The hope is that she will be given the validation & justice she deserves, so perhaps calling it “her trial” might be meant another way, not shaming or blaming her

[@incorrigiblycuriousD61]

@kathyirwin Thank you! 100%

[@Trudloops]

Agreed!

[@suzyschwarz7023]

Yes words matter!

[@anatosic480]

He paid for yard work by "offering his wife"?? And the other guy took that offer instead of going straight to the police? Are men even normal atp!??

[@metislamestiza3708]

it is surreal. it is beyond imagination

[@bichonbuffo]

men are not normal, men are vile

[@jujutrini8412]

No.

[@incisivecommenter5974]

@@anatosic480 no they are not

[@plant495]

Frighteningly, men hating women *is* the norm in patriarchy. Not the exception.

[@VanillaMacaron551]

That truck driver was no gentleman. You shouldn't use that word for a defendant.

[@magpiegirl3783]

Not all men … perhaps men don’t understand the female POV on this. Exactly WHICH men? Husbands, truck drivers, IT technicians, neighbours, the local store owner? Which men should women trust? The man she married? Her brother-in-law provided the means by which this could be done and didn’t question what was happening? Which men would engage in this activity and visit websites that promote it? Do women know which men? Unless and until men start protesting what happened to Gisele, then women are unlikely to believe that all men are safe to be around.

[@Thobela-h3x]

Say this LOUDER for the world to hear👏👏👏. We should start a hashtag #Whichmenaresafe . People keep saying , choose better, do better, stay safe, don't be stupid BUT none of these things are true. You can try your best but until men do better and learn to be actual human beings then there is very little improvement!

[@terrydow3452]

I understand the bigotry behind your comment. Melody Felicano Johnson tried to poison her husband by secretly putting bleach in his coffee. Dalia Dippolito hired a hitman to kill her husband so she could inherit his wealth. How do men know which women?

[@magpiegirl3783]

@@terrydow3452 From your response, it demonstrates you do not understand but I won’t call you a bigot. I’ll call you another man who does not understand nor wants to understand. Yes, women kill and tempt to kill men. This post was about sexual assault. When you look at the statistics on sexual abuse, men far outweigh females in scale of attack. The “not all men” move is purile in the context of what has happened and continues to happen to women across the world at the hands of men. This particular case should disgust most men, but clearly you are not. Nor were the men 50+ men who engaged in this behaviour thinking they could and not thinking of the victim, their own families and community. The victim was married for 50 years, the perpetrators also married and generally non-descript kinds of people. So, not all men are attacking women but there are enough of them to make women fearful they will be next. I doubt you fear being sexually assaulted so you speak in ignorance.

[@HappyMe-sr7vr]

Exactly. Men very rarely stop this behavior from other men. Even if they disagree with it in private, they won’t stand up to other men IRL. Until that happens, it’s all men.

[@jennyobyrne2731]

I think this case clearly demonstrates that any man has the capacity to engage in this. What prevents men from pursuing such avenues of opportunity to pursue such activities is what men who don't do this are the voices here. What values stop them.

[@michelefiorilla9714]

He did NOT 'admit' his latest partner was 'not great at sex'. He tried to blame his partner for him raping somebody. Be careful how you report things. Raping somebody is never caused by a partner not being good in bed. You are a woman, you should know better.

[@minim3494]

How much 'better at sex' could an unconscious woman be? Doesn't even make sense!

[@jessicahainsworth7994]

Great comment

[@hm4184]

She was repeating what the defendant had said, not excusing him.

[@michelefiorilla9714]

@@hm4184 She said he 'admitted' his partner was not great at sex. Admitted is the offending word on her part. He did not say that. She should have said 'he blamed his partner, accusing her of not being great at sex as the cause of his actions'. Big difference.

[@pinksnapdragons2675]

Convicted 5 times of SAs. Once again proving that women are of no value to society or this scumbug would have been in prison for life.

[@amyheckathorn7172]

People are saying #NotAllMen but the Pelicot’s were married for 40 years or so. She says she would never have expected her husband of this. That is the problem. You can’t tell which man will do this. And he had many willing accomplices going along with it. I’m sure some men said no, but at least 50 said yes. When you don’t know who you can trust, you can’t trust anyone, even your own husband, as in this case. So if ‘#NotAllMen,’ then women have to ask ‘#WhichMen?’.

[@miss.charlene]

THIS‼️‼️‼️

[@TheLampini]

Well said. Maybe not all men, but it's hard to suss out which are in the 20 to 30 percent who WOULDN'T..

[@incisivecommenter5974]

@@amyheckathorn7172 because ITS ALL MEN

[@nicolataylor6011]

Not all men but its always A man isn't it?

[@incisivecommenter5974]

@@amyheckathorn7172 that's because #ITSALLMEN.

[@madrabbitwoman]

She is not on trial. Stop saying it is her trial.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

That annoyed me too. "The ongoing trial of Gisèle Pelicot...". That statement asserts that she is the defendant, which she is most definitely not. The English usage in this segment is absolutely terrible. I would guess the original script was in French, but it seems the translators don't understand the target language at all. It's absolutely unforgiveable as there are literally millions of publicly accessible English language court reports to check the phrasing against.

[@plant495]

@@XXXX-yc6wv Yes, and millions of feminist native English speakers. None of these men are "gentlemen", either, as was stated.

[@sherrygadberryturner9527]

I know right?🤮🤬🤬

[@JeromeBundy]

She is an actress

[@deannarounds3295]

@@JeromeBundy So what? Does that mean years of rape by her husband and his cohorts are ok?

[@annwilliams6438]

Why say a ‘gentleman named…’ No gentleman there! Just say, a man called….

[@LesAventuresdOphelie]

i wouldn't even use the term "man"!

[@Cjmacj]

I'll never understand what profession has to do with crimes. Criminals are criminals no matter what job they do.

[@globallyinterested789]

People like the think that criminals are so different from the rest of use that they will have jobs of disrepute. If you commit crimes, surely you smuggle drugs, are a mob boss, traffic children, live under a bridge, specialize in racketeering, etc. It makes many people feel safer to think that criminals live "over there" somewhere and that they will be easy to spot and avoid. But the idea that it's the person who scans your groceries? The person who transports good by truck that allows us all to have a gazillion things shipped to our homes, people that we interact with everyday? That means they are "in our midst" unbeknownst to us. That is a much scarier idea for most people. More truthful, but scarier nonetheless.

[@leoniep9231]

I think mentioning the mens' jobs enhances exactly that point. Just because people would not associate these 'decent' and respectable jobs with any depravity, does not necessarily mean that the people working these jobs are good people. Some people (obviously not you) would reject the notion that people working 'decent' jobs are capable criminals and deny that reality, thereby essentially calling the woman a liar, which is why it's important to stress that it really could be anyone from any kind of profession.

[@katiePetsy]

One of the accused men is a nurse. Someone who cares for the vulnerable. Someone who should understand what informed consent is. And yet he thought nothing of assaulting an unconscious woman. I think his profession absolutely should be mentioned

[@georgemartin4354]

its more shocking when someone upstanding in society (doctor, politician) does something, thats all.

[@plant495]

@@globallyinterested789 Yes. It can be your bank's branch manager. Or your insurance agent. Or your sister's husband or son. Or your own son.

[@JenJen-jj9vl]

I feel that we need to reconsider the language we use when talking about sexual assault. Words like "disgrace," "victim," and "shame" have no place when referring to a survivor of such trauma. These terms are completely misguided. The survivor has never been disgraced or shamed-she never lost her dignity. It’s the perpetrators who lost all of their dignity. Survivors are not victims, they are heroes!

[@basicallyno1722]

It’s a legitimate description….and sorry, but when I was first assaulted I didn’t feel like a “survivor.” I felt like a victim, I was a child. Victim indicates that the men here are predators. The only ones who are disgraced and shamed are the men who committed their disgusting acts.

[@JenJen-jj9vl]

​@@basicallyno1722That’s completely understandable, sorry that this happend to you. As a child you were very vulnerable and helpless in such a situation. The feeling of being a victim is completely valid, because you were one. What I wanted to emphasize is that a person who has endured such a terrible experience is more than just a victim. They have shown incredible strength and resilience by surviving and continuing with their life. That deserves recognition and respect.

[@Dragonfly_magictarot]

I understand your sentiment

[@destructorzz7197]

Idk about you but the whole thing about rape is that it removes the dignity of an individual. You might want to get a brain

[@basicallyno1722]

@@JenJen-jj9vl I understand what you're saying and think that it it language that should definitely be incorporated into the dialogue. Phrases like, "Gisele survived her husband's abuse," or additional adjectives like "resilient" should be used. In a legal context, using terms like "victim" is essential to confront the harsh reality that traumatizes those subjected to these horrific actions....especially when considering the sentencing of these predators. A judge and the public must be aware of the pain. Rape, more often than not, derails entire lives. It changes the trajectory of your path. This should never be forgotten - victims are often imperfect and don't feel like "survivors" for sometimes years after the attack(s).

[@morwennalake5520]

The mentality of all these men is utterly appalling.

[@ZFern9390]

However not surprising 🧐

[@bridgetb9899]

Right.. take a look at statistics on violence against women and children...the truth is staggering. We're supposed to pretend it isn't happening I guess. ​@@ZFern9390

[@JoanMurray-j5y]

Why do you keep ranting on about her being shamed ? She has not been shamed! She is a courageous woman ! Kudos to her from Canada. We do hope she'll recover and live a great life with her children AS SHE DESERVES !

[@amyheckathorn7172]

@@JoanMurray-j5y Amen!!!

[@PandoraBear357]

Gisele is brave and rightfully refuses to be shamed. Repeatedly saying she is being shamed implies she has something to be ashamed of. She does not.

[@28105wsking]

She has NOT been shamed, but her husband has been! Stop blaming women! It's the men who are so dangerous!

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

Being a French TV station it perhaps isn't too surprising that the English isn't perfect, but the English script for this segment is absolutely terrible. They open with "The ongoing trial of Gisèle Pelicot..." a statement that asserts she is the defendant, which she is most definitely not.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

@@dodgyyoutuber9560 It's not up to you though, is it?

[@tmoleary7179]

these men are vile-they should have pleaded guilty.

[@incisivecommenter5974]

@@tmoleary7179 They should all be in jail. Regardless of what they plead.

[@DelphineCingal]

There would still have been a trial. In France there is no such thing as pleading guilty and moving on to sentencing. Several of the defendants - including Pelicot - are pleading guilty

[@Dragonfly_magictarot]

No conscious

[@honesttruth8064]

Prison needs to be FOREVER for this behavioral choice.

[@kathleen3292]

Shocked the world, not just in France.

[@Michelle-f4y]

Frr!

[@ZFern9390]

No one is shocked

[@mcourtois75]

It takes tremendous courage and bravery for her to show her face and tell the world she is not the one who should be ashamed. Please show the faces of the men on trial as they deserve to be shamed. This #notallmen is another way to take power away from women, we know it's not all men.

[@chris-in-oceania]

They probably are not allowed to show the faces until they get a conviction.

[@veramae4098]

Reverse the shame! Not her fault!

[@tigerlily1034]

Agreed! People continue to victim shame her when video footage shows she was in a deep state of sleep snoring.

[@JoanMurray-j5y]

​@tigerlily1034 who has shamed her? I haven't heard that. KUDOS TO THAT WOMAN. We in Canada Salut her courage !

[@anniehasting1133]

What shame? She has no shame

[@yorgivon-schmourgeussborgi]

​@@anniehasting1133 as she shouldn't

[@anniehasting1133]

@@yorgivon-schmourgeussborgi You’ve repeated my point. I don’t know why anyone would say reverse her shame, because she has none

[@trudikeating9217]

Language matters. They are NOT ‘otherwise normal men’.

[@YoYo-gt5iq]

Absolutely. Pretty much no man would do this, and they wouldn't even know this was possible bc creeps only talk to creeps.

[@amandahunter4034]

​​@@YoYo-gt5iqActually, this shows that many men would do it.

[@nygrl6102]

Nor are they "gentlemen."

[@Kittykat5kits]

Or they are… and this is just what men are like

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

​@@Kittykat5kits Spoken like a true misandrist. Tell me, does being sexist give you a feeling of virtue? If it does, then you should realize this makes you an evil person.

[@21Diddley]

Why does this piece of film focus so much attention on the rape victim? Do you really need to show a crime victim and not the accused? What kind of purient interest does the director of this piece of 'journalism' have? And for the Australian/NZ journalist - the rapists are NOT 'gentlemen'. They are 'the accused'. Let's be very clear about who is on trial here.

[@solar0wind]

She wants to be shown and wants people to see the accused hide. So that people know that there's no shame in her. The only shameful people are the accused who need to hide their faces because of all the shame they loaded upon their names.

[@cutelatina00508]

Lock up the brother!! He should be charged at LEAST with facilitating a crime and/ or providing controlled substances recklessly 🤬

[@lyndafjellman3315]

Any man who was offered this "deal" turned it down, and didn't *immediately* report it is complicit.

[@leav388]

You are missing the big picture here: No men reported it. So what then, Lydia, are men?

[@tinytoons8852]

I hear lots of men crying now, that women shouldn't put ALL men in one box. BUT: WHY THE HELL, don't men hold other men accountable??? It starts with how fathers raise their sons!! For crying it out loud...be responsible!

[@Maybe-cg2tn]

He should be charged with attempted murder. All the drugs he gave her.

[@ruthgiles8926]

They weren't "caught up" in this, they were caught. They looked for, and found, what they were looking for. They then actively involved themselves, and did not report this site, or the monstrous husband, to anyone, for fear that they would be brought to justice and lose the opportunity to partake again. That is not being "caught up" in something, as if they were victims themselves.

[@ZFern9390]

Just like marriage and children, we are all something that" just happens " to men. They are "trapped, persuaded, tricked , caught up" . Many men , ( not all men ), rarely take responsibility for their initial willingness, participation, aggression... It's never them it's always someone else's fault or problem...

[@bigbadwolf992]

None of these can be called "Gentlemen'!

[@irishhoopers6899]

Let's be honest here, if only the victim is named and shown who's really on trial?

[@leoniep9231]

She wanted to show her face to the world so that the shame would switch sides. For legal reasons, the accused will not be shown until they are convicted. After that, they can and hopefully will be shown.

[@emilialambert5943]

@@leoniep9231 .

[@Pen12160]

One step away from victim shaming!

[@deannarounds3295]

She asked to be identified and her face and story shown. The "men" have been charged but have not been found guilty and have the "right" to privacy.

[@missmayflower]

The first man didn’t think it was rape? What else is having sex with an unconscious woman?

[@simbalove4646]

Yup. What about the other guy that said his partner wasn’t “good” at sex so that’s why he went! ? Uh? So an unconscious person is better?! No bro, you definitely are the problem ugh 😡 psychopaths.. all of them!

[@marciloni12]

​@@simbalove4646Ted Bundy liked them out too!!🥺

[@xy4669]

French people....

[@leav388]

@@xy4669 No not French people. Men. Just men. Men everywhere.

[@jolorna3654]

The women reporters should be ashamed of the way the editorial framed a story of rapists raping. Don’t mince words.

[@maggienorris7833]

"Caught up in this crime," she says. All the defendants went to considerable trouble to get "caught up" in this crime. Is she trying to soften it, to say that it was just bad luck for these guys?

[@user-blob]

Right! They need to choose their words better. It can be important.

[@s.sparkle8739]

The perpetrators went to all the trouble of 'obeying certain rules' no smoking no aftershave 'warm hands' 😳& more to prevent the woman waking up, during the attack Then try to deny they were blatant 'attackers'....😮

[@bemilie2841]

They’re just quoting those men. Most of them are basing their defense on it…

[@maryjanedodo]

It's not the "Giselle Petticoat trial" - she's not on Trial & she only agreed to let it be public so her ®apists would be named & shamed. NAME THEM.

[@yarazooom]

if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@mchoi6038]

Instead of supporting the victim men choose to support themselves by that NotAllMen movement 🤦‍♀️

[@bichonbuffo]

yes, demonstrating they are all the same!

[@Blade56762]

I don't care if it's not ALL men! It's ENOUGH Men for women to mistrust all men. I do agree that it's a crying shame that decent, protective, honourable men are lumped together with the perverts but it's time for good men to become very vocal with other guys who speak or act badly towards women. Never treat it lightly. We don't.

[@cheesecake4648]

@bichonbuffo Who hurt you? Go to therapy where you belong and stop watching the news, it's not good for you.

[@em7937]

This. It shows they are only jere to protect themselves. None of them is horrified of what that woman and other women are going through. It is all about them. IT IS ALL MEN!

[@evonne315]

It's like, yeah we know dude, but why do you feel the need to not just point it out but become phycologically defensive enough to try to make a movement out of it? RED FLAG

[@beewest5704]

Instead of starting a #notallman why not show it by starting a #mensupportinggisele. Why not go to the court & protest againgst the grapist. Its not only about what you do but what you stand by, allow & do not speak out about. Show that is not just a womens issue but a good mens issue. Guess that is too much to expect!

[@JoanMurray-j5y]

By the way. What is a grapist ?

[@anniehasting1133]

@@JoanMurray-j5yPeople commonly modify words like this so that comments don’t get blocked/filtered. I imagine you are bright enough to figure out what she meant. Ask again if you truly cannot understand what she meant, and the rest of the world will assist your comprehension.

[@anniehasting1133]

Exactly. Men supporting women is too much for them. The vast majority of men dislike women intensely. They like seggs but not women.

[@temposhop8739]

100% but it is ALL about them. The ones who don't agree don't speak up or act, so what good are they?

[@mchoi6038]

Looks like even in situation like that men choosed to support themselves, not the victim. That's beyond my understanding.

[@anna9072]

The guy says “he didn’t think it was rape”?!? That’s beyond words disgusting.

[@grainnegowen5758]

Not all men? Tell me how are we to know which men?

[@lauraarcher1730]

You can’t.

[@georgemartin4354]

Most men are not in (or have been in) jail for rape of sexual assault. Most men do the right thing. Wake up. Its like saying "which women are Gold diggers?" we don't know.

[@jujutrini8412]

@@georgemartin4354 Most se*ual abusers get away with it.

[@My-handle-is-here]

​@@georgemartin4354bad comparison. A man is a grown adult who can choose not to give money in exchange of sex because that's the transaction but somehow even there, the story is usually one sided with "evil" woman "acamming poor loving man" and not lustful man faced the consequences of his choices. But even then, women don't raise a flag saying "not all women", when a man is victimized, women focus on HIM gettinf justice. But when something like this happens, all men are concerned about is themselves and their image. So, who are good men and where are they?

[@bananaramajama2394]

​@@georgemartin4354 most men who have raped will never get time in prison

[@fionaforward3358]

All these men are beyond contempt.I hope their identity and faces are exposed for all to see.To say it did not seem like rape is rubbish.The poor woman was drugged.I do hope she did not get any horrible disease from these terrible rapes.All men should be appalled by this absolute violation of a woman.My heart and respect go to her.How brave she is.That reporter is still letting these men off when she says’ordinary men got caught up in this’!They made choices.They were not helpless fish caught up in a net!Stop excusing these disgusting human beings.Name and shame them.

[@leav388]

Men? Appalled by this? Fiona, men get off on this. Please...

[@GaiaCarney]

A husband in Singapore did this _VERY SAME_ thing to his wife! He found the other men on websites dedicated to ‘wife drugging’ 😤

[@Anne--Marie]

Would you provide a link? Was he prosecuted?

[@willkrummeck]

Did these guys travel?

[@willkrummeck]

Is there some kind of database being set up.

[@bobbi2800]

Sadly this is happening everywhere. These sex offenders seek each other out online and in person this is a global issue this lady is bringing this to light on a large scale people need to wake up. God bless this woman.these are not ordinary men like the newsreader stated they are ordinary criminal sex offenders

[@amanchoudhury8135]

​@@Anne--Marieif I amnot wrong there are actually youtube videos about it. I don't remember things exactly but yeah pretty sure there are videos still on KZbin

[@jdmmg4904]

Where are all the #MenSupportingGisellePelicot? And #WhichMen can we really trust?

[@bernadettemulholland8939]

Please do NOT call them gentlemen, its an insult to this brave innocent Lady.

[@brambledemon1232]

This is horrid. This poor woman. My heart bleeds for her.

[@lovepeace9902]

Some news said that the daughter is now afraid that she might have been victim also.

[@artskies101]

Because he most likely had. They found pictures of her on his phone, matching similar ones to his wife. He also wouldn't refer to her as "my daughter" and felt a bit disconnected. Its likely he had done something. Even worse, one of the perpetrators was a fireman (filmed in uniform assaulting Gisele) who said he would do the same to his daughter.

[@li_ryd]

she was, so were his grandchildren but not in the same manner

[@AkakurothE]

How can you have sex with an obviously uncouncious woman, and say it's not rape? These men make me sick.

[@cassandra3862]

It’s not the trial OF Giselle Pelicot it’s the trial Of her husband. Ridiculous reporting!

[@artemisanoriega2299]

Gentleman???

[@mimio008]

In France there's a law that doesn't allow you to show either party of a criminal suit's faces unless they expressly give consent. The plaintiff here gave consent, she actually insisted on the trial being as reported as possible because she reasons that she has no shame to bear. Hence those words "shame... Change sides", meaning that we've had enough of the victim hiding out in shame. From now on the perpetrators will be the one hiding in fear and shame.

[@yarazooom]

if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@willtobias5280]

Cases involving drugging to facilitate sexual assault should also contain charges of kidnapping. It seems so obvious

[@misottovoce]

I am Swiss living in Spain many years and so have been following this case. I don't know if all the details are covered outside of Europe but something key to this horror is that there is still that attitude (at least in France) that it can't be rape if a husband 'offers' his wife whether she is conscious or not...or that there is no such thing as rape if it is your husband. A few of those rapists even defended themselves with that defense. Women's rights in 'some' men's minds just still seems to be non-existant. It is still a major problem here in Spain although there are much more public outrage, social/legal support and brave women.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

Men seem to be monsters all over the world

[@Ava2969ny]

That's exactly the problem. Europe seems to be lagging behind in women's rights because the status quo benefits men. They should all be convicted. To even suggest that if her husband "offered" her up, than it wasn't rape is obscenely disgraceful. If he wasn't doing anything wrong, would he have needed to drug her? Once they saw that she was unconcious and drugged, any normal, non-predatory person would not have agreed to participate. It amazes me how now everyone involved wants to play dumb because they don't want to face the consequences.

[@misottovoce]

@@Ava2969ny I agree with everything you mentioned with exception to 'Europe seems to be lagging behind'. It is not just Europe, my dear. But all over, Asia, Near and Middle-East...and oh yes, the US and the other Americas as well. Don't judge Europe on one country - France. European mentalities and social attitudes regarding women differ quite a lot between the romance language countries (France , Italy, Spain, etc) and Germany, Denmark and Skandinavian countries.

[@ark194]

This is the worst thing I have ever seen.

[@nillyk5671]

The language used by journalists and reporters needs to change, you are revictimizing her with that vocabulary.

[@cherylbowen4229]

In my experience there are more men like this than not. I applaud good men that do protect women but sorry I just don’t know many of them or which ones you can trust. Male children need to be raised to be adult men that don’t rape women.

[@yarazooom]

if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@leav388]

You don't know man of them because there aren't many of them.

[@jhadaaddams9803]

Every single man who did not get full, CLEAR consent FROM Pelicot before engaging in ANY kind of physical activity with her is guilty. Period. There is No Wiggle Room. That people still don't understand this is BAFFLING to me.

[@milkmoonlight93]

Why protecting always the perpetrators and expose the victim ? Those despicable entities do not qualify for being protected by the media ! It says a lot about abou the hypocrisy and double standards of our societies but ENOUGH of that BS!!!

[@mimio008]

In France there's a law that doesn't allow you to show either party of a criminal suit's faces unless they expressly give consent. The plaintiff here gave consent, she actually insisted on the trial being as reported as possible because she reasons that she has no shame to bear. Hence those words "shame... Change sides", meaning that we've had enough of the victim hiding out in shame. From now on the perpetrators will be the one hiding in fear and shame.

[@georgemartin4354]

Innocent till proven guilty. Its called the justice system. When they're convicted, put their disgusting faces all over the newspaper/internet....We can't go around with pitch forks and torches. We're not savages.

[@LightningFlash178]

Globally rape is such a huge issue & it’s one of those crimes that are extremely common & rarely spoken about. It is the 3rd most common crime in the US & it’s basically extremely misogynistic how rare it is mentioned. Rape is almost always extremely damaging to the victim. Most victims are assaulted, drugged , strangled, beaten till unconscious & the court will dismiss 96% of those cases in France. 96% get dismissed the moment they are reported. Because the system is prejudiced/misogynistic & it’s makes it difficult & tries to Shame the victim who was attacked by some Ftard of society. One of their questions is “Did you say No?” Mind you they ask this when the report has stated they were assaulted or drugged. How would a “No” stop an someone attacking you? It’s extremely prejudiced, & it needs to change this is 2024 we’re living in not F 1950. …But as for the exchanging his wife for gardening favors that is a form of payment which then is sex trafficking of an unconscious person. Trafficking charge should be added.

[@artistrophe6738]

"Not All Men" - get out of here! Far as I am concerned every man out there is a threat. Don't know about you, but I ain't taking no chances

[@BenJamin-tx7ol]

Although I sympathize with the victim in this case I take issue with the seeming assumption that all men are a threat, look at the large number of female teachers in America who are facing charges of raping their pupils, does this mean all women are a threat to children ?

[@artistrophe6738]

@@BenJamin-tx7ol All men are a threat until proven otherwise - better safe than sorry

[@My-handle-is-here]

​@@BenJamin-tx7olthen where are they? The only men I keep seeing under these posts are all busy not all manning women. Who's the sympathizer? It's all "I sympathize, but..." But go under stupid videos with titles "feminist woman ABOLISHED by this guy" or sport content filled with sexual and vulgar things from men with no ounce of shame. Go read studies done about young men and see how many percentage of thel admitted to raping women if it weren't illegal and then come " not all men" us.

[@yarazooom]

if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@bemilie2841]

@@BenJamin-tx7ol everyone can be a threat yes. If you thought every women could be a threat, I wouldn’t blame you. Pointing things like that are part of the problem. Safety should be above everything else. And even though you’re talking about those teachers in America, I don’t know numbers in America but in France, 90% of those criminals are men so don’t blame women to place their safety above some kind of fairness toward men.

[@TheLampini]

Maybe not ALL men, but i recon about 60 to 80 percent of men would do this.. i judge my own generation most harshly, im 58. I do get the feeling that maybe its less with younger men? Or is that just the wishful thinking of an old lady? 😢

[@temposhop8739]

It is not. The younger generations have grown up with more access to cheap validation and less incentive to be pro social.

[@NontobekoN-N]

The younger ones are worse.

[@janmitchell641]

Sadly, young men have access to often violent pornography online and convince themselves, ‘that’s what women want.’ I’m so sorry to tell you this.

[@diddyKite2010]

The truly evil delight when we live in fear of each other. They thrive in the shadows.

[@leoniep9231]

The younger ones are exposed to a different type of misogyny, but many still learn awful 'seduction' techniques (think manipulating, dominating, controlling women and reducing reducing their self esteem in order to get sex) from podcasters (like Andrew Tate, for example) some of which have been charged with SA themselves. If young guys listen to people like that and primarily get their knowledge from this kind of social media bubble, it's hard to rewire their brain. And some don't want to rewire as it's easier to find all fault with women rather than self-reflect.

[@jamielee7404]

It's sad that two women call rapists "gentlemen" while talking about "shame" when referring to the survivor

[@steph744]

these are not ordinary men . he found them on a forum for creeps and even there some of them did not come .

[@jennyobyrne2731]

Many, many, many ordinary men visit such websites.

[@bichonbuffo]

this is what men are

[@leav388]

@@bichonbuffo Absolutely

[@nelagarzon741]

Absolutely irresponsible that this news share de names of the drugs that he used and what they do… giving ideas to psychos.

[@yarazooom]

if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@Bell_4682]

Of course people say “not all men” what a malicious excuse

[@bichonbuffo]

it is all men

[@createone100]

‘Trial of Gisele Pelicot’?? No! SHE IS NOT ON TRIAL!!!! And why are you calling one of the perpetrators, a ‘gentleman’?? For God’s sake, self-monitor your word choice! 🤬🤬

[@Downarabbithole276]

So disgusting verbiage and reporting.

[@buckleydawn]

It seems a bit thoughtless but it’s hardly the issue here. It’s just words, and people from the UK often call men ‘gentlemen’ interchangeably in a formal discussion- it’s not literal.

[@BigMustard2099]

Ordinary individuals don't rape unconscious women. Part of what's wrong with this is the normalization of the rapists. It's that type of normalization that lets a man think he has a right to his partners body in any way he wants.

[@Ava2969ny]

@BigMustard2099 -- you are so right. That's what I find totally disgraceful; they are not "ordinary" in any way...they are predatory men who would have kept on engaging in this if they had not been caught.

[@artistrophe6738]

Disgusting men. Sick. Pathetic

[@Yabucoagirl]

Every woman knows of a woman being SA. But no man knows a grapist.

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

Absolutely, there are lots of these men out there. They are not rare!!

[@jcook2433]

Yes. The unusual thing is to know a woman who was never SA. 😢 The world does not wish to accept that.

[@ellisburton8733]

21st century and how many men, especially those accused... Have no concept of 'consent' and 'rape'... Wtaf is going on???? Men if you claim you are 'good men' then stand up and be counted, support women support organisations, support your loved ones and your neighbours, be the change you want to see in the world.

[@leav388]

HAHAHA. Ohmigosh, don't you understand men will never do this?

[@AlexisAngelb6n]

This is barbaric 😢

[@maggienorris7833]

Imagine seeing your husband or father on TV, in that courtroom standing trial for this crime. Imagine having to go to school or work every day knowing all your colleagues have seen it, too.

[@amandahunter4034]

Awful, but it gives you the opportunity to abandon them.

[@deanivan3951]

You would have to have some shame in the first place in order to be bothered by it. I doubt that anyone that would take part in this would have any.

[@em7937]

You still have some dumb womne that would deny the rrlaity of their husband. Those are the highly sought after, "wife material" women, that men want because not only they would accept this, thwy would even protect these men?

[@leav388]

@@em7937 Yes. Men have selected women for their willing blindness to the truth about men. Wife material for sure.

[@jcook2433]

That would give others a chance to know and be safe.

[@zenwolf1046]

This guy's older brother gave him the drugs?? The whole family should be investigated!!!!

[@pennybyrd1058]

So, the husband's brother knew what he was up to?

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

Disgusting, I hope he’s jailed too.

[@donnafranzman2027]

I find no compassion or respect for the female victim in this report...far from it...the reporter's choice of wording, tone and even smile/smirk at the beginning I find to be offensive.

[@yowanehakuuu]

How dare you to call them gentlemen, wow

[@katiekawaii]

When you post "#notallmen," what you're saying is "even as you share the stories of horrifying trauma you and countless other women have long endured, what is most important is _my_ ego and _my_ feelings, always."

[@xy4669]

Yep, what they say is that they are super fragile little boys, because even in the face of such horrifying stories, what is more important is that they are not responsible and don't have basic empathy

[@leav388]

"Not all men" is a patriarchal propaganda campaign. The boys always on the job of getting women behind them, especially when the cloak has been pulled back on what men in fact ARE like in this case. They gotta get on that pronto.

[@chlorophyllheart]

Who wants to be blamed for things they didn't do? I wish all good men would stand up to the bad ones but they won't. I wish all good religious people would stand up for the extremists of their religion, but they don't. The best we get is the good people condemning the bad. Try to talk to the men close to you and explain to them compassion, respecting women and standing up for the bad behaviour of others. I know I don't have the courage to stand up for others or even myself, so maybe teaching courage is also important. If we can at least get the men close to us to understand, that will be a step in the right direction.

[@Ninsidhe]

The language in this 'report' is garbage. Can we stop referring to grapists as 'gentlemen'?

[@yarazooom]

if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@veronabarberini3942]

The ultimate betrayal.. this is another level of abuse..it gives the creeps and changes everything about the santicity of marriage Women not able to trust their husbands at all not to mention men in general.. Why not show the faces of the rapists criminals? Gentlemen? What about garbage and monsters

[@casspurp]

"Not all men" has existed in online discourse in the US/Canada for over a decade. It's a "Men's Rights Activist" phrase.

[@yarazooom]

if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@xy4669]

It is really a useless, attention seeking statement. When talking about rape, make them accountable. For a fact, it is almost always a man as the perpetrator. That is a very concise and serious information. Obviously, we are talking about incidents, which are by definition not ordinary. This movement is seriously deranged

[@heathermorrison1295]

What a wonderful courageous woman ❤️

[@stephaniemorrissey123]

I'm going to get hate for this but I don't care: this is merely an extreme example of the French, male attitude toward women and marriage/monogamy. Having a mistress in France is SO common that it's accepted as a norm. Extend that to the Nth degree and this is what you get.

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

No hate here but it’s a pretty odd comment!

[@jaijai5250]

I heard that also, that it’s normal and acceptable for French men to openly have a mistress. I wonder if it works both ways, and the wives can have boyfriends in addition to their husbands.

[@sharonhinkle9707]

These 2 women should be ashamed of themselves for this misogynistic report.

[@fionaforward3358]

I agree.Imagine,ladies,if this was done to you!would you still use such gentle language!

[@MsKatyDidKnot]

It's systemic, men and women are conditioned from birth to be misogynistic. It is the culture worldwide, to varying degrees.

[@Karen-ig6bp]

HOW? JUST HOW???? Can ANY human being, lest the husband, do that to someone close to you??? How on this holy earth do they sleep??? This is the WORST of the WORST! EVER!!!!😢

[@leav388]

But this is showing you what men are. Don't miss the opportunity to learn this valuable lesson.

[@zillypaul4343]

This is so sickening and sad

[@mimio008]

Maybe there's a language barrierm the flyers say "La honte... Change de camp". Which translates to "Shame... Changes sides". Meaning that victims will not be shamed from now on, perpetrators will.

[@yarazooom]

if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@kay123nay]

These are not ordinary men, these are the monsters among us!

[@amandahunter4034]

Sadly, they ARE ordinary men. They aren't monsters, although they have done monstrous things. The men we pass on the street, live next door to, meet every day in our working lives, and even live with.

[@joaneperso]

No, they are ordinary men like most predators.

[@texastea5686]

Why doesn't Europe ever show the faces and names of the suspects

[@alirules714]

Stop referring to her as a grandmother. That is incinuating she would normally not be a desirable character whereas it would be more understandable if it was a younger woman. You are not helping rape culture with this reference. It is also making an assumption that an older woman is not desirable which our culture falsely tells us, but it is besides the point. Any woman can be raped and it is rarely to do with desirability, it is related to subjugation, gender views, deviance, violence outlet and power. You are selling her short. With my life experience, when I am 72 I will be 100 things more than a grandmother. A grandmother will be 1% of what I will be and same goes for this person.

[@misottovoce]

Personally, I do not agree with your interpretation about referring her as a grandmother...although I do understand where you are coming from. In my opinion, this brave women insisted her case be public, she IS a grandmother and in my view that fact makes it even more shocking. I know, I know...females of any age can and are being raped....but being a grandmother really grabs the public's sympathy even more. I find it good for her cause, which is not only about her case but representing the full range of rape victims, from children to grandmothers even older than her. Hopefully, this landmark case will initiate French law changes from the doctor/medical level to the punishments.

[@gemox3225]

This is sick beyond imagination. Will she ever be able to recover? They aren't "gentleman" so why call them that?

[@Caperkidd-qs8vq]

It’s just so vile. My heart is broken thinking about her suffering. She must have thought see was losing her mind.

[@ElizabethRichter-o6u]

The commentary is really light on the men.

[@agneteht]

You mean of course thr "dominique pelicot trial". He is on trial not her.

[@stephaniemorrissey123]

Europe likes to hate on the U. S., but I'll tell you one thing: in America, those men's faces would NOT be blurred.

[@bemilie2841]

Just different laws. But since it is a public court, anyone can assist and see their faces. People living there know who they are as well. And I’m pretty sure that when their sentence will be pronounced, we will see their faces at least once. The worst though is that half of them are not in court because they couldn’t be identify. Also there’s so many men like them out there that it’s better to know it can be anyone around us and be careful.

[@xy4669]

​@@bemilie2841thinking it was about 100 guys (who were filmed, who knows, maybe more?) Just in Mazan or Avignon.... means proportionally the same type of man exists in much higher quantites in bigger cities. As a young woman who has recently lived in various European countries over the last years, I feel like since a few years things have started to derange in ways that are difficult to describe. Europe is not a safe place for woman anymore, and it has been!!

[@bemilie2841]

@@xy4669 It has always been the case, it's just that nowadays more people talk, there's more cases because of it and media talk more about it. Therefore, people are more aware and on the defense. There's this ambient stress as a result. I was studying in a big city 20 years ago (I've been r*, SA many times and more. People were doubting you at the time so at some point you stop talking about it.

[@xy4669]

@@bemilie2841 not to devalue your experience, but for me it has been quite a notable change. Also for others

[@bemilie2841]

@@xy4669 I see well I've been living out of big cities for 6 years so it might be the case. And if it is, it's quite sad...

[@Somemothersdohaveem]

Its bad enough that a website existed, its next level that someone would have a thought of doing such Haines crimes, then up a notch again to then actively then seek this online. Mind blowing just how many sick, perverted beings live among us. Pure evil. Amazing courage this beautiful woman has shown ❤ to her, God bless

[@Christine-wz9fy]

I live not far and have run into Gisele Pelicot on a few occasions , but don't know her as such . Am thinking I would know at least some of these men as they are from many local professions . We need to know their names .

[@sorayaassar1602]

It’s so unbelievable this happened but more so that it went on for so long.

[@MelliaBoomBot]

I think it's time to set up cameras in all our bedrooms. If this is now known about how many incidences are NOT known about yet?

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

George Orwell has you beat there.

[@robotx9285]

​@chesterwilberforce9832 Ya that sounds like a good idea on paper, but a network like that is definitely gonna be abused by people in power, as well as criminals.

[@user-ld7uj9pv8e]

If not all men, how many said no or refused to participate. And if any such men exist, why didn't they go to the police?????

[@HoudaOussous]

Monsters are living among us people...

[@leav388]

MEN are living among us Houda. Think about this a little deeper.

[@AngelaJaramillo-ll2hq]

Yes none of them are gentlemen so don’t refer to them as such. This poor woman went through the worst horrors of her life because of these men. They along with her so called husband are sick and belong in prison.

[@YoYo-gt5iq]

The gentleness of the language to these absolute creeps is interesting. Most men would never do this, and would never even know about the possibility of it. To know about this you'd have had to have taken some very gross steps in a disgusting direction.

[@theresamariegoesplaces9688]

Look who owns most of these ‘news’ organizations Men

[@Kittykat5kits]

I’d love to believe that, but I honestly can’t. Maybe not all men, but certainly most men.

[@yarazooom]

DAILY DOSE of porn endorphins at 10 years old. this is symptom if its a MANs world and we women exist in this REAP CULTURE then ONLY MEN CAN STOP reap

[@leav388]

Most men would never do this? You are missing the valuable insight of this case.

[@thecatfarm]

Which men can we trust? Not the “ordinary” ones either? Damn.

[@leav388]

Why "damn?" Ask why you so badly wanted to trust men.

[@Sqsq909]

No ones getting charges for any crimes against the kids or grand kids?

[@urielstitch1992]

Even the french newspaper doesnt dare to use such words to talk about the rapists. Shame on you