Defending Super Mario Sunshine (feat.

[@GameCubeGalaxy]

Thank you again, Jiggylookback, for having me collab on this episode! So many excellent pros and cons discussed, and the video itself turned out excellent!!

[@jiggylookback]

@@GameCubeGalaxy happy to have you! Hope we can do something in the future as well!

[@FarmerSlideJoeBob]

This was a cool combo coop action here :D

[@Scrubber89]

I will defend Sunshine until I die. I absolutely love it. Really confused that controls are complained about, the games controls are great and I think it’s the second best Mario has ever controlled only coming second to Odyssey.

[@jiggylookback]

If anyone takes a look at my KZbin post and X post where I ask the question literally people said “I love the controls” and “I hate the controls” Over and over. It was so mixed. lol

[@SECONDQUEST]

Sunshine changes its levels between shines more than any other mainline game. Leaving the level after getting a shine was a technical limitation caused by the need completely reload the map with changes. The haunted hotel in the beach, the fire goop in pianta village. Could not have been done without leaving after the shine.

[@Phillylove100]

That’s what I said lol. It’s a shame they didn’t mention that especially in a video titled defending Super Mario Sunshine.

[@Ninblasto]

Sure this game has its flaws, but in my opinion, the controls are better than 64’s simply for having so many more movement options. (Outside of not having the F.L.U.D.D.) I wouldn’t say it’s as good as 64, but it’s near neck and neck 3:59 Also you can see the blue coin totals within the levels by pressing the Z button

[@greendaleforever]

Sunshine is WONDERFUL! Never knew it needed to be defended in the first place. It's also a godsend for mental health because of how bright and luscious the levels are along with the happy go lucky music. If people spent more time playing and being immersed in these environments rather than hating on something cause it's not traditional Mario, i'm sure they'd find more happiness in their own lives. Sunshine was my favorite game in the series for the longest time UNTIL Odyssey.

[@jiggylookback]

I agree with you!! It’s so vibrant and happy!

[@SECONDQUEST]

Gamecubegalaxy complains about the controls, but really was just complaining about the physics. Never once did he mention being unable to maneuver Mario due to controls or missing because of them. They just don't like the funky physics, which is true for some levels but I feel is overblown.

[@maverickhuntermeta4954]

There's nothing wrong with Super Mario Sunshine. Just because it plays differently than Super Mario 64 doesn't mean that SMS has to follow with very similar controls. Certain familiar enemies that look different (Boo's for example) because that's what they look like on Isle Delphino, not in the Mushroom Kingdom.

[@PaperBanjo64]

I never thought of that! And there's no goombas or koopas.

[@MDComix]

Sms got better feel imo

[@wifi961]

I think it's just a generational issue. The people who grew up with GameCube games loved GameCube games. And the people that grew up with the NES and 64 hated the shift to GameCube games.

[@jiggylookback]

I started with 64 and moved onto the GameCube and I loved the GameCube. But for sure the GameCube did a lot of unique and different things in games.

[@DBTGAMER]

This game feels like an unfinished and, rushed masterpiece. This and Zelda Wind Waker were both rushed because the Game Cube was struggling. Sometimes I wonder what these games would have been like if they were finished properly. Good video.

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much!! Funny Wind Waker doesn’t feel rushed to me. It’s sooo good.

[@zedorian6547]

I dont hate Mario Sunshine. I’m just not very good at it which leads me to play the other 3D titles more. I do love some levels in Sunshine though like the Amusement Park level and the first stage.

[@michaels4917]

I like Sunshine a lot it and I think the "it's not good" discourse comes from the fact that it's sandwiched between 64 and Galaxy two titans of the series. Sunshine needed some more time in the oven however seeing where Nintendo was at the time I get why parts of development were rushed. Now, as someone who grew up on 64, I loved in that game, I could, for the most part, grab any star I wanted, and the game would let me no matter the mission. In Sunshine, though, I see what Nintendo was doing and why it wouldn't work. Each level had its own standalone story, and if you could Shine Sprite 8 before doing 1, you'll miss the story. Fluddless levels, I thought Mario controlled fine enough, but that's just me. I actually like being forced to get through the obstacle courses without Fludd. What I'm not a fan of is the 100 coin Shine Sprit kicking you out of the level after collecting it, while in 64, you could grab the coin star and a mission star. I'll add my voice to the blue coins being way to cryptic for their own good and having no in-game way of tracking what you got or which coins are exclusive to certain episodes just screams "buy the players guide" to me.

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah getting kicked out of the level for sure is a bit annoying.

[@MASTERDOOM1337]

It’s my favorite for sure. I love Sirena Beach

[@obnoxiousoboe]

Sunshine makes an excellent summer game. It's that tropical atmosphere that immerses you into that summer vacation that you never had. That's some of the greatness of some of these titles during this period. Sunshine, Wind Waker, Pokemon Emerald. They give you that summer-esque atmosphere that makes you want to mainly reserve playing (and re-playing) those games over the season!

[@jiggylookback]

Yes 100%

[@mattb6522]

Good video! I don't hate Sunshine at all, but it is probably one of my least favorite Mario games. Yes, it is a good game overall, but it felt like it was rushed and could have used more polish. I've 100% completed it once back when it released and that was plenty. There just seem to be more tedious and frustrating aspects of this game than many other 3D platformers I've played. Though, I will give kudos to Nintendo since the GameCube era really had them experiment with lots of ideas. The GameCube has a lot of weird and wonderful games that grew into proper franchises like Luigi's Mansion and Pikmin. Heck, even Double Dash!! is like the black sheep in the Mario Kart series!

[@therealstickfingers]

I hated this game... For me, everything good about the gameplay in SM64 was terrible in Sunshine. Glad you enjoyed it though.

[@MintyFries]

I have an immensely difficult time deciding which I like better, 64 or Sunshine. Ultimately I lean toward 64, I think because its primitive nature gives it a mystique that makes it more memorable, its replay value is slightly higher as it's a more straightforward experience, and it has the BLJ. Sunshine comes so close with its crisp controls, beautifully rendered locales that transcend the era it's from, and memorable characters and levels. Where 64 has some levels I don't care too much to return to, Sunshine knocks it out of the park with every level from Gelato Beach to Bianca Hills to Pinna Park, etc. And its soundtrack is like 1000 times better than 64's. On top of that, I don't mind its flaws nearly as much as others seem to. But still I would say I overall like 64 better.

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah for me the top 3 Mario's are Odyssey, 64, and Sunshine in that order

[@crabbuckets7506]

I'd say this is one I spent heaps of time exploring as a kid. So fun! Hard to pick a favorite but between This, World and 64 I'd say. Also great colab guys!

[@jiggylookback]

@@crabbuckets7506 all solid picks!!

[@MatthewKing-Alexander]

I'm looking forward to watching this of my #1 Favourite Mario Game of All Time.

[@UOAPlays]

To be honest, I didn't even know the Sunshine was considered a black sheep. I know this will sound biased, as Sunshine is my favorite 3D Mario game, but I think it's objectively better than Galaxy, yet it never got the sequel it deserved :(

[@Phillylove100]

8:14-8:54 Yeah but there’s a purpose behind it. They change up the levels and the objectives to justify having a set order to doing things. Pianta village is the prime example of this. There are tons of unique and interesting missions that couldn’t all be present at once and function right.

[@jiggylookback]

@@Phillylove100 that’s true. It does offer unique changes to the level of much like Mario 64. They kept that format for a long time. Odyssey finally changed it. Personally I think I prefer the collecting and not getting kicked out. Maybe the levels could just progressively change as you acquire them.

[@krvgames9258]

I grew up with this game, and I first got it when I was 7. And this game helped sparked my love of video games.

[@jiggylookback]

That’s awesome! Love that it did that for you!

[@krvgames9258]

@@jiggylookback Thanks. I was never able to beat this when it originally came out on GameCube, but I’m farther in it in the Switch re-release on 3D All Stars. But I’m going to finish both the GameCube original and Switch re-release someday.

[@PVMPlays]

Been playing through it again the last few days too so this was some great timing haha. Still absolutely adore (most of) it. Agreed on the base secret levels but I really like going back to them with FLUDD for the red coins, personally. If it had just been that I imagine they'd be more well recieved.

I definitely think the "jank" from the crunch time adds to the game. Mods like Eclipse removing it kind of take away what made Sunshine... well... Sunshine.

[@TheGunmanChannel]

I never had any issues with SMS. So I was surprised when I found on KZbin so many people dislike it.

[@jiggylookback]

It’s a blast imo

[@Amiya_Yuki64]

5:22: Huh? Is that me?? 🤯 Didn’t expect to see my reply in a video of yours, but here we are! 😎 Anyways, hi Jiggy! This was an amazing video to watch! I look forward to watching your future defending/retrospective videos in the future! 🤩

[@jiggylookback]

@@Amiya_Yuki64 thanks so much!! And yep! When I ask questions for my videos like I did there is a chance I may show it on screen! Especially when it’s something that seems divided in the fanbase! Thanks for providing your feedback!!

[@NintendoTV64]

Sunshine has always been my all-time favorite Mario game in spite of its flaws, and while it's arguably true that later games like Galaxy and 3D World are more polished gameplay-wise, the amount of hours I've spent exploring Isle Delfino are innumerable. Sunshine deserves its spot as a game in the Mario franchise.

[@jiggylookback]

Yes!! Exploration in Sunshine is so rewarding. I didn’t feel the need to explore all the worlds in Galaxy.

[@shadymalibu8729]

If you haven't already, you should try the new Super Mario Eclipse Mod! It adds a TON of new unique features on top of the base game! New Levels, Moves , and Playable characters!

[@jiggylookback]

@@shadymalibu8729 I haven’t but I’ve heard good things!!

[@Garobb95]

This is and will always be my favorite Super Mario game. The vibe is unmatchable

[@jiggylookback]

I agree the vibe is incredible! I really enjoy Oddessey but I do love sunshine. Top 3 for me!

[@Flac_the_Wave]

Black sheep my wiggler butt! Sunshine is my absolute favorite Mario game, and I was actually so disappointed by Galaxy and 3D Land/World for going back to a more linear style of Mario. It wasn't until Odyssey that it felt like the Mario I loved from 64 and Sunshine had finally returned.

[@jiggylookback]

I liked Galaxy, but Sunshine is what I’d pick over it. I’m not a huge fan of the 3d world style tho I liked 3d land tbh. It was a great 3ds entry!

[@MDComix]

Theres nothing to defend... its peak mario!

[@SECONDQUEST]

I strongly prerfer the way SMS Mario controls compare to 64. People I talk to always forget that SMS generally had improvements in all of the standard moves that went on into further entries. Spin jumps, better easier side flips, wall kicks, everything feels better and went on to be used.

[@b-conn6624]

Sunshine is my favorite Mario game. We can fight till the day I die over that if you want.

[@StephenYTchannel]

Good video mate!!🏆 I like Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario 64 more than Super Mario Galaxy!! Super Mario Galaxy for whatever reason, I don't find as interesting, don't know why. Maybe it's because I don't find outer space interesting in general, maybe that's why? I enjoy Super Mario Galaxy as well, definitely, just not as much as SM64 or SMS. I have 100% completed SM64 multiple times, 100% completed SMS two times including all blue coins two times and 100% completed SMG as Mario and Luigi back in 2008. For me, the blue coins would be okay IF you didn't basically need a strategy guide to find some of the most random blue coins ever that players just have no clue how to get. That's my issue with blue coins, not that there's too many of them. Also, I discovered a problem where you can mess up your save file making it impossible to 100% complete acquiring 120 Shine Sprites without needing to erase your save file if you return fruit to the Piantas in Delfino Plaza, be awarded a blue coin, save without picking up the blue coin awarded by the Piantas and NOT acquiring it and turning off the game! Not sure if this definitely messes up getting 100% blue coins as I saw someone do this years ago and never tested it myself. Might have assumed it messes up getting 100% after seeing the action performed by someone else, didn't test it myself but applied logic to this 100% shine get killer. Also, in Bianco Hills you can skip Episode one and complete Episode two in Episode one when doing any% completion which I think I thought of myself and tried out successfully for fun years ago as a any% completion. You CAN skip the first episode of Bianco Hills for any% completion, kinda neat, the game ONLY cares about episode 7 in each level/area! Cool video mate!! So awesome to watch your content dedicated to some of the very best games in existence while you make the videos great and high quality like the games themselves too, great work!!🏆😎👍🏻

[@jiggylookback]

Thank you so much!! I really try to capture the vibes of the game I’m covering when I edit and make these.

[@StephenYTchannel]

@@jiggylookback great work mate, you make amazing videos!!🏆 Also, great work from your friend whom you featured in this video too, fantastic work guys!!🏆

[@popcornparfait]

i like how maybe 10% of the video was actual defense of the game and the rest was like "well.......... idk.... its got some issues"

[@jiggylookback]

Well the way I format these videos is a little different. First a brief history, then I do a community poll across my socials and kind of pull likes and dislikes and highlight the top gripes about the game, and then splash in a little of my opinions either good or bad with those complaints. These tend to be the longer part of the video because I go through a lot of comments and people tend to highlight the negative more. Then I put the positives of the game. I could make the videos longer, but personally 10-20 minutes is all I would want to watch. I try to condense them down. I think too many people on KZbin make super long videos. I just summarize what I like quickly.

[@Icebot7]

The Ricco Harbor music sounds similar to the song “When Will I Be Loved” by Linda Ronstadt!

[@jiggylookback]

@@Icebot7 I will be looking this up shortly haha

[@Phisherman10]

Sunshine is goated. The movement in this game is insane and I love it compared to Odyssey, which feels floaty and boring. Definitely had the most fun 120 starring this when the 3D collection came out.

[@maverickhuntermeta4954]

0:00 - 1:01 Super Mario Sunshine was never in 60fps. How do you make the footage move the camera like that? 1:37 *Shoulder Buttons* The L & R Buttons do Not Look & Feel like Trigger Buttons. 5:13 Clunky? The controls almost felt natural. 9:04 Konami: The Mini game

[@jiggylookback]

Main answer: Editing skills :P I use a camera tool manually set keyframes for a camera track and put it in my 60fps timeline. Then I adjust the speed until I feel it’s just right.

[@calebgurney762]

Think you could talk about other GameCube games like Luigi’s mansion wario world or the Zelda games

[@jiggylookback]

I definitely have content coming on Luigi’s Mansion and Zelda! Wario World might be a cool one to talk about too!

[@the.bloodless.one1312]

Yo I gotta get Wario World and play that game again!!! Only ever played it at my friends back in the day but LOVED it so much!!! And Treasure is literally in my top two favourite developers of all time, and that’s one of their only games I’m missing in my collection/haven’t gone back to and played. Ugh and that soundtrack by my hero Norio Hanzawa and god dang Minako Hamano!! 🤯🤯 frickin god tier! Dang.. I gotta get on that! If only Nintendo would make these games accessible on modern hardware 😭🙏

[@calebgurney762]

@@the.bloodless.one1312 I know right I just ordered a copy of wario world and I can’t wait to play it it looks fun

[@calebgurney762]

@@jiggylookback cool have you also played the wario land games I’m currently playing them I beat 1 and 2 and im playing 3 can’t wait to play 4

[@jiggylookback]

Yes I have!! Honestly 3 and 4 are my favorites!

[@samd2013]

No need to defend it, it’s my favorite 3D Mario game with 64 being a close 2nd. Pretty much atmosphere alone propels this game as my favorite.

[@jiggylookback]

I am with you! The atmosphere really makes this game a vibe!

[@Patch57055]

This game is so bad( likr every nintendo game) that I can't even stand its review!

[@jiggylookback]

lol every Nintendo game? Yikes. I love Nintendo.

[@MatthewKing-Alexander]

Such a great video from such an amazing KZbinr

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks my friend :)

[@FarmerSlideJoeBob]

Everytime you drop a new Video here, I damn enjoy it😃😃

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much! I’m trying!

[@FarmerSlideJoeBob]

@@jiggylookback No thx are needed! I enjoy your stuff here :D

[@autumnmaru]

I'm sorry but if people can love botw for having 100+ shrines and 999 korok then there's no reason why not to love the blue coins. I may not like botw but I love sunshine and I'm happy every 10 gives you a shine sprite.

[@markasscop]

the game has some glaring faults, but to me, not enough to detract from my overall enjoyment, it's still one of my favorites in the franchise

[@jiggylookback]

Me too! Definitely a lot of fun

[@natejoe9924]

Every couple months my controllers go haywire and I take care of my controllers and I don't understand it it's probably just dust I wasn't even thinking of that LOL

[@jiggylookback]

If your joystick is acting wonky I tend to push it to one side and blow hard. Then do that at all angles.

[@GabiN64]

Mario 64 has less precise controls than sunshine and there's the random slippery slopes that are all over the game

[@Gruntilda-Winkybunion]

ahh the Gamecube era.

[@Nonjola]

This was my favourite 3D-Mario game before Odyssey.

[@jiggylookback]

@@Nonjola my heart still has more nostalgia for 64 but it’s definitely in my Top 3 and Odyssey is my fav!!

[@the.bloodless.one1312]

Lmao I paused the video at 0:39 to respond to a text and when I unpaused the vid I was like “wth happened to jiggylookback’s voice?!” I was so confused 😹😹 Ya I know this is an unpopular opinion but Sunshine is my favourite 3D Mario game! It really became so when I replayed them in the 3D All Stars pack some years back.. and it’s almost entirely for the controls and how expressive Mario feels to move around the levels. The controls are so tight and it feels like you can always reach areas that seem out of reach with some smart chaining of his moves. When I was replaying the games through the 3D All Stars pack I was doing them in order and going to Galaxy right after Sunshine just felt so terrible with how stiff the controls felt. I had to literally take a break and play something else Kuz I really didn’t enjoy jumping into Galaxy with how it felt to control right after playing Sunshine. I know the game is severely unfinished, as a lot of first party games were during the GameCube years, Wind Waker being another clearly unfinished game (and I have my theory as to why… Rare filling in so much of the release schedule during the N64 years with at minimum 2 games per year weren’t there anymore so my theory is that’s why they were having to rush games out more for the GameCube) but even tho it’s unfinished I just love the way the game plays for what we got. Not to mention the coherent unified game world and themes, the music, GOD DANG YOSHI!!! (Probably a reason my fave 2D Mario is also Super Mario World it’s one of the only Mario games to share those qualities of having a coherent unified thematic world, etc).. I even love the blue coins! As someone who’s always loved exploration as my fave thing in video games, the blue coins adds a fun smaller dopamine burst reward for exploration between the shines. Tho I will say the game not having a proper level by level check list for which blue coins are still uncollected in which level episodes does make them a bit of a pain in the arse to 100%. But ya… I can go on for ages… but Sunshine manifesto aside, lol, I just love the game so much! ☀️💧🔫🐬🖤 Great vid as always, Jiggy!

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much! Lol I can see if you were half paying attention that could be jarring 😂😂😂

[@GabiN64]

Mario game with the best looking water and it came out in 2002

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah that’s true

[@PaperBanjo64]

I wouldn't consider the controls clunky, the camera sometimes can be though, I consider it the worst 3D Mario but that's not necessarily a bad thing because it's a really good game for the most part, the standard of 3D Mario is just really high, also I'm the commenter formerly known as PolyCube, I changed my username as I was unaware PolyCube sounds way too much like something that's not family friendly, and I had this cool Paper Mario inspired Banjo Kazooie pic so I'm rebranding to Paper Banjo

[@PaperBanjo64]

My old username was a reference to polygons and GameCube=PolyCube

[@jiggylookback]

Ahh I see!! Well glad to see you here still! Love the profile pic!

[@PaperBanjo64]

@jiggylookback thank you, this is a channel I frequently communicate with so I felt it was needed to announce, there's only a few channels I'm this active with, wouldn't want it to look like I left and somebody replaced me.

[@jiggylookback]

@@PaperBanjo64 if I click on your profile it says you’re a top commenter on my channel! I really appreciate that!

[@PaperBanjo64]

@jiggylookback :) that's cool I looked at some videos I've commented on and old replies it changed to my new name

[@MR.__G]

I think this is a solid game in the series. Is it the best, nope. Is it the worst, far from it. Definitely worth playing but I wouldn’t suggest getting all shines 😅

[@jiggylookback]

@@MR.__G yeah exactly how I feel.

[@MR.__G]

@@jiggylookback any chance you’ll cover super Mario bros 3 down the line ?

[@jiggylookback]

@@MR.__G I’d say it’s a strong possibility

[@MR.__G]

@@jiggylookback awesome !!

[@GameDadGrant]

Sunshine is an aggressively "just okay" game. It's not bad...but it's not really great. Not by Mario standards anyway.

[@RandomDave7]

I'd say this game is great when playing to beat the story, but awful to 100%. A checklist for the blue coins would have helped a lot and there are several optional shine stages that are borderline broken. But they aren't needed to beat the main game so i give them a pass

[@jiggylookback]

This is true. In my casual playthrough for this video I really enjoyed it.

[@natejoe9924]

Super Mario Sunshine is a good game

[@justinratcliffe947]

Never played this one. But I also never owned a GameCube

[@jiggylookback]

Oh dang gamecubes are sweet!!

[@bunsmasterbunny]

Sunshine is an amazing game!

[@jiggylookback]

It’s a vibe

[@3elawi]

Best 3D mario game oat idc what yall say

[@victorhugomalagongil4148]

The biggest problem Sunshine has is the same one Wind Waker has, their predecessors It’s annoying that even when you were mentioning the good qualities from the game you were still comparing them to 64’s. Which is understandable but also the definition of a biased opinion Can’t believe the hate the FLUDDless levels receive. I must’ve died millions of times but I remember each and every level dearly, specially the Ricco Harbor one Of course they were difficult but I always saw them as a challenge and a test of my skill rather than something annoying Anyway, this game will never not be Mario’s (64) Shadow but I keep it dearly in my heart

[@jiggylookback]

@@victorhugomalagongil4148 funny enough. I love Wind Waker and it’s my favorite Zelda. I mean comparing it to 64 feels justified as that game did so much right and a lot can be expected of a sequel to a game of that caliber. I think it’s great we can find things sunshine did better and things 64 did better. I for one still love Mario Sunshine and the vibe is unmatched in any Mario installment.

[@zacwoods]

Defending? Its objectively an A grade game. Anyone who says otherwise simply does not understand the genre at all. I do not understand how this new generation all of a sudden is questioning this game when at the time it was universally lauded as one of the best Mario games of all time.

[@jiggylookback]

Me either. It still plays well and the vibes are unmatched.

[@jonchampion8720]

Please Do Majora’s Mask for the N64 next.

[@jk560]

I was like this is a great game what complaints could there be then you reminded me of blue coins then I said one small complaint here

[@jiggylookback]

@@jk560 lol yeah overall it’s a good game! Just wanted to make a video on it and say I appreciate it and its vibes!

[@natejoe9924]

I just googled probably the reason why my Xbox controllers keep acting up it could be dust in my controllers so I brought a aerosol can well I'm going to buy that in alcohol and I'm going to use q-tips that's probably what's going on I never cleaned my controllers and it probably got dust in them I actually do my one controller out of frustration of spending money every couple months I usually don't break my stuff but I got frustrated but I ordered a new controller LOL that's probably what's going on dust

[@natejoe9924]

Oh yeah I forgot I regarding your other video I know this has nothing to do with this video I got all Conker's bad Fur Day games I forgot I got the rare replay Conker's bad Fur Day and the one I got for free I got reloaded it was with games with Gold when that was a thing but they got rid of that and now I permanently own it

[@jiggylookback]

@@natejoe9924 heck yeah! Thats awesome!

[@natejoe9924]

@@jiggylookback yes it is bro it's really awesome

[@3elawi]

13:13 dont ever do that again.

[@jiggylookback]

@@3elawi lol I knew exactly what you were referring to without watching 😂

[@natejoe9924]

I like super Mario Sunshine not my favorite game because I still like Mario 64 that's my favorite Mario game

[@jannetlouis103]

8:55 “shrine” lol yeah. I bet these no-fludd missions are challenging to players with skill issues

[@jiggylookback]

Nice catch haha there is no doubt though that those challenges get wonky tho control wise

[@liamharrington6672]

It didn't feel like you were defending Mario Sunshine very much... Games like Mario Galaxy are so easy and over simplified, and the worlds are all so small and bland. A small child could 100% Galaxy in a few days. The difficulty, the theme, and the size of Mario Sunshine was infinitely better than either Galaxy or it's DLC, I mean sequel. I loved the challenge of finding blue coins. I loved the massive worlds and searching through all their detail and secrets to find them. The controls of Mario Sunshine are infinitely better than Galaxy because I'm not waggling around a wii-mote while using a single joystick to move. There is no argument to be made. The ENTIRE challenge of platformers is meant to be platforming, not collecting. If we have an acrobatic device introduced to Mario to makes segments easier, you can become used to the training wheels. Just because there is occasionally more challenge in a game, we don't need to fall back to an orbit camera and make all the worlds spheres, so camera control isn't even an issue. That's a cop out and frankly, way too easy. Mario Sunshine was way better than Galaxy. You might not like mission structure in some levels of Sunshine, but at least every mission was in a thematic world. Contrast that to Galaxy where almost every mission was a different world, with no continuity or connecting theme. It's not a world that evolves based on the mission it's literally just disparate worlds loosely threaded together in a chain of quests. You could shuffle them around and mix "worlds" together than no one would have noticed. That is far worse level design. The fact you could "beat" Mario 64 without even seeing every level, meant many people missed out on interesting worlds entirely, some were well hidden and some required some interesting puzzle solving to even find. Mario Sunshine made sure that to beat the game you have to at least beat something in every level. That is excellent game design and the only way you can truly argue that you beat the game. Mario Galaxy and it's sequel that no one asked for was clearly the most divisive game in the series, with a complete departure from difficulty, large open and interesting worlds to explore, consistent world themes, and controls. It took Nintendo 10 YEARS to finally come back to the old (better) Mario formula and make Mario Odyssey.

[@robertlauncher]

As someone who has a strong dislike for this game and the idea that it’s some hidden gem, here are my points ahead of time. Having to do mission 7 in every world to reach Bowser makes for a butchered journey that strips all freedom from the experience and renders the more open design pointless. It also makes repeat playthroughs far less fun overall. The lack of a 100% incentive also contributes to this. On top of that, there’s less content than its predecessor, it’s less polished than a game released in 1996, the movement is too jittery and yet the game expects you to deal with extremely punishing “secret” missions at a really high rate, Yoshi can’t swim and has a timer, Bowser Junior is wasted in his first appearance because there’s so much that could’ve been done with Shadow Mario besides “Bowser did it!” And this last one’s more personal, I prefer a varying sense of surrealism over a more relaxed connected world in my Mario. I prefer 3 to World, for example. Then you have the little moments that add up, like being able to lose a life after getting the red coins in that Blooper surfing mission or random stuff in Noki Bay sending you flying into the poison water. Yoshi being able to get trapped in the yellow blockage on pipes, etc.

[@robertlauncher]

If you want a Mario 64 sequel on the GameCube, SpongeBob Battle for Bikini Bottom is legit a better entry in the 3D collectathon genre. Smoked by a third party, good job, Sunshine

[@maverickhuntermeta4954]

​@robertlauncher not even close, but good try. SpongeBob BfBB is still a decent platformer.

[@PaperBanjo64]

​I feel like Nintendo dropped the ball on 3D platformers that gen, this and Wario World were it, others made them, but then the 7th gen comes around and it's almost a dead genre, which is why 7th gen isn't my favorite.

[@Franx84]

Why is this guest on your video. He clearly hates the game.

[@jiggylookback]

He’s a great GameCube focused channel. I wouldn’t say he hates the game. Sometimes having a critical look at something can come across as negative, but I mean it’s not a perfect game. We both say at the end it’s a good game.

[@GameCubeGalaxy]

As Jiggy said in his reply, I don’t “hate” this game. I have no problem pointing out its faults, as it has several as stated by both of us, but I also have fond memories playing it. 👍

[@onlygoodgamesofficial]

Great video you guys are great 🎉 @Jiggylookback @GamecubeGalaxy

[@jiggylookback]

@@onlygoodgamesofficial thanks my dude!!