Defending the Titles of the PLANET OF THE APES Movies

[@lazerfrogstudios]

The planet of the apes titles are part of the franchise, I hope they never change it

[@RogerMcCoy]

I agree. -Reply to the Comment in Support of In Defense of the Titles of the Planet of the Apes

[@HarryThomasPictures]

I've never had a issue with the titles, War For The Planet of The Apes was never implying it was a all action movie it meant more of the internal war within Caesar!

[@Ape-Nation]

Exactly!

[@mansbestanky4017]

the title scheme is iconic and unique, i like that the new movies keep it because it separates them from generic movie titles and is reminiscent of old movie titles witch is cool.

[@Alejandroigarabide]

Fun fact: In latin America one of the "of the" is deleted. The first movie is called "Planet of the apes: (R)evolution" with the parenthesis so it can be read as both "Revolution" and "Evolution". The second is "Planet of the Apes: Confrontation"; the third is "Planet of the Apes: The War"; and the fourth is "Planet of the Apes: New Kingdom". The titles from the original saga from the 60s and 70s were translated much more conventionally.

[@Poliostasis]

Those names are definitely more appropriate to the movies overall, revolution makes sense for Rise, confrontation is most certainly a big part of Dawn... Although I guess Rise of the Planet of the Apes and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes just sound cooler to me than revolution or confrontation. Mostly because they're single syllable words, and they still fit.

[@rod9527]

the regionalized titles suck , im mexican, i can say it, the old naming convention is the best

[@GENERALURSUS-rz7sy]

Regarding the Caesar trilogy titles I think they are titled correctly. Rise = Rise of intelligence. Dawn = Dawn of war. War = the internal war that's transpiring within Caesar, him dealing with killing Koba, loosing his family & seeking revenge & of course the literally war taking place around them.

[@SplinkProductions]

I’m still patiently awaiting “Apes of Wrath”.

[@tristanhartup4936]

"Wrath Of The Planet Of The Apes", even better

[@juangal7569]

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[@TrekBeatTK]

Something modern audiences don’t understand is that this is how sequels were done back in the day. Movies didn’t have a “part 2” until Godfather II, or a colon with a subtitle. In the ‘60s, movie sequels either had completely unrelated titles (Shot in the Dark), or tacked another word like “Return” onto the front or end of the man character or last film (Revenge of the Pink Panther). So a Planet of the Apes sequel that wants to tell you it’s a sequel to that movie will include it. Jump ahead to the new ones, and they maintain that for IP recognition.

[@harrisonhigdon3337]

Kinda relates to the topic, I think “Attack on the Planet of the Apes” would be an awesome title for the sequel to Kingdom

[@krow21k]

All of the movie titles except one use a generic "catch word" that could be applied to many franchise titles: Escape, Conquest, Battle, Dawn, Rise, War, Kingdom.. y'know, like Escape of the Jedi, Rise of the Sith... the only truly unique title is BENEATH.... it's almost bizarre, and quite unexpected. Many of us may have contemplated a War or Eascape or a Dawn of the Planet Of The Apes, but BENEATH? Who ever thought, "Statue of Liberty, fine... but I wonder what's beneath this planet?" It was a truly original and intriguing title. As was the movie. Still my personal favorite of all the Apes films, despite the criticism it gets.

[@matthewpahnke2613]

I remember getting the VHS boxset as a kid and "Beneath" being the most intriguing of all the titles. It's also my favorite sequel of the original series.

[@WallyZamwa]

I've never understood the hate towards the titles either. I feel like haters are just trying to find reasons to dismiss the movies.

[@superonions22]

i dont think people are really out here hating the names. its just a little goofy

[@Ms.Fowlbwahhh]

I want the titles to be longer. Fill up an entire blu ray cover with the name!

[@harrisonhigdon3337]

These are the discussions that truly matter

[@conorosullivan1347]

I totally agree and I’d like to add to support your argument War is called that because it’s also about Caesar’s inner conflict, a war with his morality as he grapples with losing his family and taking revenge and goes on his own self-destructive quest as he goes on the warpath and puts everyone around him in danger but sees that he was wrong in Act 2/3 and frees his people.

[@andrewhaddad6376]

I love this channel! I discovered it as i recently finally watched the original sequels and new ones. Only ever saw the original and Rise for the longest time. So it was great fun to see your reviews and breakdowns and such. Great stuff dude

[@Ape-Nation]

Thank you!!

[@PsPuNkS]

Calling it right now one of the upcoming sequels will be either titled "Resurgence from the Planet of the Apes" or "Dominion of the Planet of the Apes"

[@NeoConnor1]

I was thinking Empire of the Planet of the Apes.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

I think from an outsider or very casual Ape film fan's perspective, their criticisms of the titles being long aren't actually that they're long but just they don't roll off the tongue because "of the" is repeated twice. And it's where other franchises like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Harry Potter do have long titles but they're formated differently with the franchise name first and then the subtitle. So like I have zero issue with the title Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes but for the people criticizing, they'd probably prefer something like, Planet of the Apes: Kingdom, or something like that. Theres a lot of people who havent even seen the films and dont take them seriously because "talking monkey = funny", so Id imagine they'd be nitpicky about the titles

[@Ape-Nation]

I guess it's hard for me to truly understand that perspective as such a diehard fan. It's all I've ever known from the movies, so it just has always felt right to me. That's a fair point though.

[@RogerMcCoy]

Maybe it's just me, but I think the "of the" flows better when speaking than the awkward implied pause of a colon. Not that I'd prefer "Endgame of the Avengers"; it has to fit the film.

[@afunkymonke]

Maybe if you have a speech impediment, there's literally nothing wrong with the titles people just love to find anything to bitch about

[@CGFMovies]

Ngl, I completely forgot about some of those early parodies when the first two films in the new trilogy came out. Then everyone realized, "Eh, who cares. These are good movies."

[@matt54656]

I wanna start a list of possible names for the sequel to Kingdom.

[@FreddyKurganNimmo]

Empire Of The Planet Of The Apes Legacy Of The Planet Of The Apes Secrets Of The Planet Of The Apes Legend Of The Planet Of The Apes Future Of The Planet Of The Apes

[@matt54656]

Invasion of the Planet of the Apes

[@matt54656]

Above the Planet of the Apes

[@uncleshithole9127]

Across the Planet of the Apes

[@MagmaCalibur]

I love the titles, but I think the reason why people complain about the Planet of the Apes and not Star Wars/LotR titles is because the subtitles of the PotA movies are too generic. Casual moviegoers probably wont understand that you are referring to a PotA movie when you say "Kingdom" or "War", where as "The Return of the King" or "Empire Strikes Back" are obviously LotR/Star Wars. Great video though and I hope they continue the title tradition for the coming movies.

[@AndyMFX505]

Do agree with you but am surprised you didn’t mention the various titles Rise went through in part of this argument as well.

[@ssjgarfield]

Never had an issue with the length of the title. But to me it would have made more sense if the titles of the first two films of the recent trilogy were switched around (First "Dawn", then "Rise")

[@jbotkin47]

Great video as usual for this channel! Agree with 90% of what you said… I still think Dawn and Rise should have been flipped. Dawn is a word for the beginning of something. I understand your point about Caesar and agree it’s about him, but don’t forget the rest of the title. It’s not Rise of Caesar, it’s Rise of the Planet of the Apes. regardless of whether or not the focus is on Cesar, I think Dawn would’ve been better overall because it’s about the beginnings of the planet of the apes. The second one is about the rise to prominence of ape society over human society. But, as you say, not all that important. keep making great videos, please!

[@ebisuno92]

Loved all the titles since childhood! You could also cover the titles of POTA series episodes edited into five TV movies.

[@asch7906]

I think you're 200% right. I'm tired of such asinine Twitter/X arguments about the titles or other aspects of movies in general. Same asinine level as "all movies should be 2 hours long and justify being longer".

[@Ape-Nation]

Don't even get me started on the "movies are too long" crowd... Lol

[@Griffnix]

I do think that Dawn should have been first but I think Rise was perfect for the last one. When Kingdom was coming out, I just kept thinking that Dawn was first and Rise was second. Then I did my rewatch and saw I was wrong. Now, I don't mind it but every so often I do think that Dawn is still first.

[@ju1cycrackfa1ry]

I like making fun of the title but in an endearing way, I love them

[@katelynrushe9025]

I think the first sequel wanted to include the words “Planet of the Apes” in its title just to make it totally clear that it was a sequel, and since it chose “Beneath” for its key word instead of another noun, it couldn’t have swapped out the word “Planet” to make a different “__ of the Apes” title anyway. After that, it just felt consistent to keep giving each sequel a title that was built around a key word and the words “Planet of the Apes.”

[@RichardRitenour0522]

How about 'Dr. Strangelove Or How I learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb' ? If people are having conniptions over POTA titles that one will make their brain explode! I agree with you, nothing wrong or incorrect about the titles. Love this channel!!

[@amorojaz27]

I think the title for the next film should be "Oasis of the Planet of the Apes". I'm hoping we see the city Caesar's apes built after his death.

[@corneliuszira3978]

Regarding the fact that Dawn is the 2nd movie of the reboot, it always echoes for me the fact that Dawn of the Dead is the 2nd movie of George Romero's zombie saga.

[@mddifilippo89]

I love the titles and always look forward to the what the next one will be called

[@whodat4ever80]

2 titles I’d love to see for future movies are Reign of the Planet of the Apes and Fall of the Planet of the Apes

[@MJK151]

If there’s ever a title that’s not (Something) of/for the Planet of the Apes, I’ll be sad.

[@JackassJunior627]

I think the titles are interesting and as you said the issues are only surface level. I look at them as build ups until we get to the final movie, which could be the 6th or 9th if they really planning that, or whatever after if they might do more, and then THAT final movie will be simply Planet of the Apes. Showing this build up of the Rise of Caesar, the Dawn of what’s to come, the War and the toll it’s taken on the apes, the Kingdom that rose from the generations that follow and so forth until we finally get from point A to Z and get to the established PLANET of the Apes.

[@kaijuartist7367]

For a very long tile is Godzilla King Ghidorah mothra and began giant monsters all out attack I think I spelled it wrong

[@frankiegalindo980]

I Agree. The names of those movies fit perfectly. 👍

[@GreyhawkGrognard]

This very thing came up a few days ago on a Facebook PotA fan group. I like to think you read the same group I do. 🙂

[@jasperallaert7874]

I like the long titles as a quirk of the franchise, and it's annoying how some people online take a lighthearted joke about the titles and act like they're a genuine criticism. I also think the titles of the Ceasef trilogy work either way and are mostly just semantics.

[@CNTconnoisseur]

You're right. War is a great title for that movie. It also has the most relevance for Ceasar. He's having an internal war within himself. His psyche is a war. I think it's symbolic and it's awesome.

[@israelcervantes7104]

Essential for their stories to hit deep

[@notmephisto1375]

I never knew there was any hate over the titles. I always loved the titles and refer to them in short hand by jut saying War or Dawn, etc.

[@Linklex7]

I’ve never heard anyone actually hate on the titles. Playful jest at their names, especially Dawn and Rise, sure, but I’ve never seen any actual hate for the titles

[@GreatAurelius2]

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes was the first Planet of the Apes movie that I saw, and when I first heard about it, I legit thought "Didn't that movie come out a few years ago?" What I mean to say is: as someone who didn't pay attention to the franchise the names are so similar that when I heard about Kingdom I was thinking about when War came out. Also the difference between the LotR and SW and the PotA movie titles is that you can say "I watched Attack of the Clones last night" or "I'm going to watch Return of the King tomorrow" with no context and everyone knows what you are talking about, but you can't say "have you watched Kingdom yet?" without the Planet of the Apes context because the "Planet of the Apes" is the last bit of the title. You're right though, it is a different naming scheme and makes the franchise stand out by naming alone, I also don't get the complaining, by the time they got to Escape, it was tradition and they can't go back now. Hopefully I gave you a different perspective on a couple of the arguments. Also your points on Rise/Dawn/War are a total W take. I really only felt that Dawn was misnamed, but after hearing your explanation, I totally agree. Also, at the end of Dawn, Caesar said something along the lines of "now comes the war".

[@corneliuszira3978]

I've started to write an episode for my podcast regarding the way the POTA titles are translated in French, which can be kind of surprising, somehow !

[@StarTrooper]

I guess some people don't want a description of the film in the title. They would Rather have Planet of the Apes #1, Planet of the Apes #2, Planet of the Apes #3. Weird

[@krow21k]

The longest Apes title I'm aware of is "Life, Liberty And Pursuit On The Planet Of The Apes" which was one of the telemovies made out of the original TV episodes releaesed in the 80's. That's 10 words!

[@RogerMcCoy]

The only ones where I think there's some merit to saying the titles work better the other way are Rise and Dawn. I love both of these films, but I legitimately confuse the titles on an instinctive level. I even did it while typing this comment. (I was listing them in order and I nearly typed Dawn and Rise.) Ultimately any logic I use is just justifying an instinctive confusion, and I think the confusion itself is a stronger argument, but here's how I can try to reason it out: "Dawn" is defined in Merriam-Webster (and similarly in many other definitions) as "to begin to grow light as the sun rises." It's literally defined as "the thing that happens before a rise." While you're correct that Rise depicts the Rise of *Caesar*, it's not called Rise of the Leader of the Planet of the Apes. The "planet of the apes" doesn't really start to "rise up" to any real extent until the next film, or arguably the time between the two films. On the other hand Rise just shows the first glimmer of such a planet; in other words, a "dawn." That said, I don't view this as a substantial criticism either. I don't think the titles are a bad fit for either movie in isolation, and I definitely wouldn't want them to go back and switch them. But I do acknowledge that many of us instinctively know that a "dawn" comes before a "rise", and even if we like how the titles pair with the movies the order can instinctively feel a little against the grain. Nice video in any case. I hope they never abandon this title scheme. And you're right that War is definitely paired with the right film.

[@ethanhall4376]

Great video! 100% agree

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

I don’t have a problem with them, especially because stupid not to change it now because it’s tradition at this point. The examples I think you listed don’t get the same criticism is because, the other part of the name is a subtitle. Where in Apes they put in front of “series name”.

[@blakekogut3045]

Also i think war is a very fitting title for the third movie in the Caesar trilogy because there's an internal war inside of him not being able to quel his revenge for what the Colonel did

[@nomorepartiezz]

this is how i felt about the last few years of attack on titan “hahaha attack on titan season 4 part 65 phase 5 chapter 7 lol lmao” it was a season in two parts and then basically a two part movie like infinity war/endgame. its really not hard if you think about it for five seconds

[@Linklex7]

The only problems I ever had with these titles is that Rise & Dawn sound too similar. Both sound like they could be the origin. Dawn probably should’ve had a different name. That would be like if Beneath the Planet of the Apes was part 2, then the 3rd movie was called Underneath the Planet of the Apes. That would confuse people after awhile. Sometimes I slip up and when talking about the first movie in the prequel series, I accidentally call it Dawn and the next movie Rise.

[@taker68]

The studio would not want a sequel to not have "planet of the apes" in there. They could do a new film title with a tag saying "a sequel to POTA" or "continuing the POTA saga." Someone likes the old fashioned way of titling, old Hollywood would never do hyphens or colons. Had to be "Return of...." or "Son of...." War makes total sense but maybe Rise and Dawn could be switched. Had to use War as Battle was already taken. Your ideas make sense.

[@JediHangout]

I don’t understand why anyone would have any issues with the titles of the film. Having the name Planet of the Apes is important because it’s the name of the Franchise. It needs that name in there someplace in order to understand it’s that Franchise. Plus it’s an awesome title. What do they want in short hand “Monkey Planet”? LOL. I think that was the translation of the novel in England. I agree with you on the titles of the trilogy. Rise is fitting for the first one because Cesar is rising and the ape civilization is rising. Dawn is perfect for the second one because it’s just settling in as a society and human society going backwards. The final film in the trilogy is a total war. It’s defiantly a war, no other way to put it. It’s what I look at a 2.0 or larger version of Battle for the Planet of the Apes, which was a small battle at the end of the film. But here we get a huge war with military on both sides.

[@pending4363]

I think people only complain when theres a new word before the title. Do you think people would complain still if the titles were: Planet Of The Apes: Rise. Planet Of The Apes: Dawn. Etc That sounds bad lol I love the planet of the apes franchise.

[@jaddlawand2358]

Jadd J.A.D.D. Jadd Honest trailers also made that complaint as well. And how the titles should’ve been swapped, but I don't care. It still works for the entire franchise.

[@alex30425]

Since we’re discussing titles, I think King of the planet of the apes should’ve been called Empire of the planet of the apes. Since Proximus was supposedly really into Roman history. If that was the case, he likely should’ve called himself emperor and his domain his ape empire.

[@NeoConnor1]

The problem is people don't look at the layers and context for why films have the titles they do anymore. Like I understand the surface level simplicity of their complaints. But if you pull back the layers of the titles, they do make sense. Like you said, Rise refers to the ape uprising. It makes sense. Dawn refers to a new beginning. However, it also refers to a shift, a progression, a descent into a new age, a darkness, if you will. What does the second act of a trilogy do? It goes darker, it shifts. Then War refers to the conflict within Caesar's soul. It's the conclusion of his arc, the war within his soul. They all have pefect titles. People just love to complain. The only title I am not fond of is Conquest. Not because it isn't appropriate. It's a bit of mouthful. Conquest just doesn't gel as well as the other titles do.

[@princessdd2275]

Sci fi/fantasy action franchise movies have big stories to tell and deserve long titles dammit. I hope they keep the trend going

[@daredenny]

I love the titles of these movies so much. They're so unique!

[@juangal7569]

The franchise's titles are iconic with the way it's formatted. If we had movies titled the same, there's no uniqueness, every title will be the same. Every franchise has it's own identity when you just take a glance.

[@MrMac6375]

The only issue I've really ever had was Rise before Dawn, because that felt wrong. But over time, I've come to accept that many rise before dawn, so it's fine. Beyond that, anyone who has issue with the titles is just silly.

[@stephencox4556]

Biggest issue for me is the OF THE titles. Only one OG Apes film had an OF THE. I hope for the next one they do something different rather than NOUN OF THE PotA

[@samelthecamel2]

I went with a friend to see the movie Civil War recently and he was dissapointed that it was centered around journalists during a fictional war, instead of a typical war movie with action throughout. I think using War in a title will always be controversial cuz people have a high expection of what a "war" movie should be

[@Ape-Nation]

Honestly that was exactly what I loved about Civil War. Just because a movie has "war" in the title doesn't mean it needs to have a bunch of battle scenes.

[@vernontk]

"Beneath the Planet of the Apes" is my favorite sequel title

[@Usulutan1978]

Planet of Apes of The Planet of The Apes.

[@philipcao1275]

Dr. Strangelove or How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. (1964)

[@superonions22]

the channel with the video on the defense of the titles of the movies about the planet of the apes

[@vonadawilliamsom6873]

Your right and I agree with hou.

[@Alf-gm7tf]

Without the titles we would be calling kingdom planet of the apes 10.

[@Usulutan1978]

planet of apes of the planet of the apes of the.

[@jakubgodyn7413]

I feel like polish tittles for the movies in more fitting 1. Geneza Planety Małp (Origin of the Planet of the Apes) 2. Ewolucja Planety Małp (Evolution of the Planet of the Apes) 3. Wojna o Planetę Małp (War for the Planet of the Apes)

[@Ape-Nation]

Honestly those first two are perfectly fitting titles. They would just be way harder to sell for American audiences

[@marthastubbs8321]

Any fun ideas for future titles? Eg Blood of the planet of the apes (could be about violence but also bloodlines to caeser etc) Also more generic stuff like resurrection of the POTA

[@Ape-Nation]

I've always thought LEGACY or FALL would be cool titles. A little generic, but would definitely peak my interest.

[@ItsHatch]

@@Ape-Nationfall of the planet of the apes would be dope

[@rod9527]

i love the title nomenclature long names included, in fact i hate how the last 4 movie titles in latam spanish suck , they dont respect the rules, they translate as : Planet of the apes: (re)volution , planet of the apes: confrontation , planet of the apes: the war, and finally , " planet of the apes. new kingdom" its BS, was it wrong to regionalize them as " la revolucion del planeta de los simios", "el amanecer del planeta de los simios" and " la guerra por el planeta de los simios " , and "el reino del planeta de los simios" the old movies were titled right

[@krow21k]

A Comment on the Video of the Titles of the Movies of the Planet Of the Apes....

[@kali3665]

Never saw any problem with the titles - they fit well with the frame of the respective movie. Better than the Star Wars films did....

[@DavA-DM]

People got to find something to whine about. To me - the titles make sense with defining the theme of the film being viewed, and I see no reason to question.

[@rod9527]

be ready for "dominion for the planet of the apes" (conquest is already taken XD)

[@matt54656]

Invasion of the Planet of the apes. The space humans are comin back baby

[@petrfedor1851]

Just wait till people who had problems with Ape name will learn about madhouse that is Evangelion movies titles.

[@LeonKokorev-qe6ls]

Rise of the Dawn of the War for the Kingdom of the Escape from the Conquest of the Battle Beneath the Planet of the Apes

[@eddiepabon5448]

Dawn doesn't have any war in it. It has a battle between humans and apes but it is only the spark of war. The next movie shows the realities of war, hence it's name. Also Dawn is by far the best of all POTA

[@Anthonycheesman2024]

War was definitely the wrong title and is really the main reason there is hate for that movie . People went into it expecting a war it was prompted as a war movie and that’s not what it was . I love the movie but I get why alot of people don’t .

[@cadjebushey6524]

Planet of the apes sounds way cooler than just planet ape.

[@nape1713]

whos got a problem with THE TITLES OF THE PLANET OF THE APES?

[@TheHumanVoiceBox]

The Lord of the Rings The Battle for middle earth The rise of the witch-king

[@Alejandroigarabide]

The people who think those titles are too long and strange have clearly never seen "Tom AND Jerry AND Willy Wonka AND the chocolate factory", or "The murder of Jeese James by the coward Robert Ford".

[@nope5657]

This is just that kind of petty fanboy nonsense I have no patience for, lol.

[@AcappellaGamer]

lol firstly I’m gonna say I love these films . Caesar’s trilogy is probably my favorite trilogy of all time . But from the point of view of making films and communicating to a wide audience what the movies are about through a title (which is what a title is generally supposed to do) they do a poor job . Sure we can jump through hoops to make them “work” as you have done here, but the fact that any explanation or defense is needed at all, already indicates that they’re less than ideal. Rise would have been better as Dawn. Dawn would have been better as Rise . War - well it’s fine - slightly misleading but I don’t find it problematic but I can see how audiences expected something else. Do these minor title issues detract from how amazing these films are? Not at all. Would I even care if the movies had no titles and it was just Caesars Tale Parts 1,2,and 3? Nope. Why? Because the movies are that incredibly good. They just have kinda funny titles that weren’t quite thought through entirely by the apes who work at the movie studio. It’s not that serious lol

[@CraigJClark]

Rise before Dawn, because the early ape gets the planet.

[@Mcburgers]

The Rise of the Dawn of the War of the Kingdom of the planet of the Apes

[@alejandromunozpaz4036]

the next clear step is "galaxy of the apes"

[@LilDew]

Wuttu Captain save a title

[@vernontk]

Strict alphabetical filers scatter these movies across their shelf. 😅

[@edwardchrishooks9918]

Don't fix what's not broken

[@jeffmhuber]

I agree with you but I just had a thought that if they were Planet of the Apes: Rise. Planet of the Apes: Dawn Planet of the Apes: War Pleanet of the Apes: Kingdom it would cut out the two of the's and be a little tighter without compromising the intention of the title.

[@wickdaline8668]

There's no need to defend them.

[@Ape-Nation]

Too late 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@TOSHIO_bb]

🤩🤩🤩🤩💯👌🩷🙌

[@elmono6299]

Honestly, having "something" in front of the Planet of the Apes title is too iconic and would be very blasphemous it didn't have that in front of each film main title. It sounds way cooler than just simply a number at the end or just a description after the main title.🐒🦍🦧

[@FreddyKurganNimmo]

I still say Dawn & Rise should've been switched 🦧🦍

[@Ape-Nation]

Disagree!!

[@Linklex7]

The only problems I ever had with these titles is that Rise & Dawn sound too similar. Both sound like they could be the origin. Dawn probably should’ve had a different name. That would be like if Beneath the Planet of the Apes was part 2, then the 3rd movie was called Underneath the Planet of the Apes. That would confuse people after awhile. Sometimes I slip up and when talking about the first movie in the prequel series, I accidentally call it Dawn and the next movie Rise.

[@Ape-Nation]

Tbh I've never had that issue at all, but fair point!