Why a PLANET OF THE APES Remake Could Work

[@vernontk]

Totally rewriting the story of Caesar turned out to be a good idea. If astronauts appear in this timeline, I would hope for a new story that doesn't try to stick to the original too much.

[@DaveBoswell-lz3kc]

I'm pretty sure if and when they create the story of the astronauts landing back on earth thousands of years later the story won't be quite the same as the 1968 original in fact I also think the astronauts names should be different as well.

[@FirstDouchaEver]

So... I'm not 100% convinced that it IS a re write of Caesar. I thought so, initially. But... Caesar was the first Ape who said "No", the originals they go back in time, give birth to Caesar and he says "No", it's all a sort of Cause and effect thing and is clever and cool and what not. You say "oh yeah, look it's him!' and do the Leonardo Di Caprio meme at the tele. BUT I see it all a bit different now. Even more after watching the new trilogy just recently. I believe/think that our main (Andy Serkis) Caesar is the FIRST original Caesar (the one Zira talks about). The Simian Flu and all that causes the humans to de evolve. The originals always kind of indicated that it was a nuclear war (given the time period they were made) and out of the ashes Apes just simply evolved - all good and of course most likely intent of those original stories. But this all still fits with that story. The war and the nukes could still go off and cause the forbidden zone with Caesars Apes all settled now in the mid west somewhere having ran from San Fran. The ship (The Icarus with Taylor in it) is launched during the first new Apes film - although originally probably launched in the 70s , we never actually know, so I think that is still Taylors ship that get's caught in a wormhole and sent into the future (3950 something). All the same events take place with them travelling back to the 60s... the new (Zira and Cornelius) Caesar brings about the different timeline overwriting the Andy Serkis Caesar completely, bypassing it and causing a new timeline/future with the Apes evolving in a different manner (education) by him... this is the only point of contention I have with what I'm on about as the ALZ-112 was a good explanation of the evolution of the Apes, but the originals always seemed to indicate that they just had it in them if they were lead by Caesar. The future Caser makes after Conquest of the planet of the apes is a better future all around for Humans and Apes than the one Taylor found, where they live in peace. I can't recall the TV series much, but pretty sure they got on with the tribes generally (the humans) and this was set after Battle. So currently... everything fits as ONE story, no reboot or remake per se. I'd personally hope that Kingdom only leads further to the nuclear war or something that heads towards the Taylor future so it keeps it all as one, rather than try to cast a new Taylor and have him land in about 100 years or so instead of 2000 years. I'd like this to just all lead to the same point and then they travel back to the 650s and create the new timeline

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

Personally I'm all for the astronauts appearing in the timeline but not have them being recreating the original. It has to be different. Perhaps instead the astronauts getting accidently involved in Ape civilization as it fights among itself, and the astronauts revealing that humanity did the same thing to and it was a endless cycle. That they can provide that final link for humanity and apes to finally peaceful co-exist.

[@303Thatoneguy]

Maybe they can somehow fix the whalberg timeline

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

@@303Thatoneguy nah in my opinion

[@castlesmashers357]

I really like your idea about having a loose remake of the original film someday but from the apes perspective. As for a Statue of Liberty reveal type ending I think it would be cool for new audiences who don't nessesarily know about the whole 'time travel' in space aspect, you would have these new humans that get introduced to the apes saying things like 'back where I'm from....' insinuating they are just from another area on earth, however the twist at the end being we find out they actually came from the same year as the Rise of the Planet of the Apes film. I do recall a small scene in that film where a TV screen shows astronauts launching to space on an expedition, which was reference to Taylor's group leaving for space.

[@FusedMusic]

Honestly I'm more interested in the early evolution of the Mutants and the "Battle" era. Battle done right, could be interesting. Development of the Lawgiver, sacred scrolls etc too, than even going near the original, which really leads to the "the end" with Beneath, unless they are gonna time.travel to 70s again! Groovy!

[@FirstDouchaEver]

I've always felt that Beneath didnt occur at all after Escape. They change it and the 'new' caesar from the future made it a much more peaceful existence than the bleak one presented in og pota

[@andreoliveira191]

This trilogy should end with the establishment of the ape laws that forbid contact with humans. And also the establishment of the forbidden zone and the hidding of the human past, so that no other Ape like Proximus Caesar is able to use human tech against other apes.

[@jeffreycoogan09]

@andreoliveira191 Funny you should mention that! From what I could gather...The Bornean Orangutan characters "Raka" from "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes". Could be revealed as "The Lawgiver" in the next film.

[@CheesyGarlicMan]

I'd love to see a retelling of the original movie that follows some of the scrapped sequels ideas, like Taylor and Nova having a son who eventually leads a human uprising similar to what Caesar did

[@dylancooper3690]

Hard to replace a performance as iconic as Charlton Heston's Taylor.

[@kev30631]

Then don't attempt it them. You cant out do the magnitude of that movie. You can try and copy the feel of it.

[@austinhedges9776]

Good video. I think it would be cool if Kingdom's opening scene mirrored the opening scene of Rise, and had a group of human-hunting apes kidnapping some feral humans; as opposed to humans hunting apes.

[@Ape-Nation]

I honestly think there is a very good chance that is EXACTLY how the movie opens.

[@gojira278]

While I do agree that after this Kingdom trilogy, we should get closer to the 1968 timeline where thousands have years have passed. I prefer instead of remaking the 1968 movie I think that the original novel should be adapted. The 1968 movie was a "loose" adaption of the novel in itself. In the novel, apes have advanced far beyond what we saw in the movies. They had flying vehicles and skyscrapers. The only reason we got more primative apes in the 1968 was because of budget reasons. But now with our modern technology we could easily see an advanced ape civilisation. Imagine how advanced Wakanda was in the Black Panther movies but with apes. It would make sense because we've seen how quickly these new apes are advancing in the last 3 films and now Kingdom. In retrospect, the ending to the Tim Burton movie is not far off from how the novel ended. The main character, Ulysses (Original Taylor/astronaut) flies back home to see that the Effiel tower was still there but to his surprise there were apes in modern clothing driving cars.

[@decadentdave]

Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon was more closely based on the Pierre Boulle book. The problem is that the book was satire of apes living in a 20th century society. The new films timeline has shifted and the apes would not be… pardon the pun… “aping” human society like they did in the book.

[@robertpolanco1973]

@gojira278 - I wholeheartedly agree with you and I truly believe that with the advances in filmmaking technology, a definitive new "Apes" film from Pierre Boulle's original 1963 novel would finally make an impression on the fans of many generations since the franchise started in the late 1960's. I might add that an unknown cast would also help bring an audience in to see a Boulle-style version of "Planet of the Apes" as well. Particularly, a French actor playing "Ulysse Merou," a French astronaut character from the novel, too. Thanks for your comment.

[@katelynrushe9025]

I feel like the only really surprising twist a retelling could have is for it to introduce a seemingly new human character and then reveal near the end that he’s Taylor. The movies do feel like they’re setting up for the return of Icarus, especially with the emphasis on finding the telescope and looking at the stars, but with how many homages Kingdom already made to the 1968 original with things like the human hunt and finding the human artifacts, they might have to restart from the ground up with their version of Taylor’s story.

[@Light-yl8oc]

Josh is delighting us with another video😎, man I’m so glad I discovered your channel. Been rough these days and getting one of your videos is absolutely something to chill for a bit

[@Ape-Nation]

Thanks for watching!!

[@IbbyB.]

Just on the question, simple answer for me is nope, I don't want a remake or retelling of the 1968 film with this reboot. And I actually think the filmmakers won't want to exactly remake it. I think what this trilogy can end on imo is a final post credit scene of Astronauts coming in to the planet. But I don't want to see a retelling of it personally.

[@DaveBoswell-lz3kc]

All of these are technically reboots but different stories. If they do get to the astronauts coming back the story will be quite different from the originals.

[@FirstDouchaEver]

I totally agree, I posted above what I think of the current story and it sits well with the originals, there's really no need currently to have it overwrite the originals it can all lead to the same place

[@anntate8949]

I agree. I like thinking of these new films as their own separate universe, and do not want to see any remakes of the 1968 classic film.

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

@@anntate8949 I like to see the new films as the same universe as the original series,but Actually done right

[@TobiasTheWolf]

I actually think the movie should start with the astronauts seeing the Statue of Liberty and instead of the mystery being “what planet is this” for them but make it “what happened while we were gone” I don’t think a major twist is necessary since twists are almost always predictable. (Unless maybe they want to end the movie with an alien invasion or something not done before in the franchise 🤷🏽

[@anthony0358]

Ever since the newspaper landed on the front porch in Rise 2011 indicating the spaceship was missing I am expecting a 9th film which would be some sort of retelling with that spaceship arriving in the year 3955. Excellent analysis. Let’s not go to destroying the world . We just keep moving the story forward

[@dylancooper3690]

I'm hoping we get to see mutants in KINGDOM.

[@007robotchicken]

If Kingdom does well, I hope at some point the series circles back around to the original 1968 film's story. I would love a modern retelling of that film, and then sequels going even further beyond that. I really hope Kingdom will be good. 🙏

[@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat]

It'd be exclusively from the perspective of Taylor, as a 20th century astronaut who crash lands with his few surviving space crew into a brutalists totalitarian distant future metropolis of towering bizarre architecture and far flung technology, all specifically designed to accommodate the anatomical attributes of apes. With no view through the endless stream of lights up through the cloud layer of polution to ever orient themselves by any astrological observation into realizing they've actually arrived back on a wildly reengineered earth after an Ape Renaissance. So aesthetically it would be something totally new and strangely amazing.

[@jrr2480]

I would love 😍 to see them do a more accurate version of the novel 📖. Also, I would like to see the Apes do space travel.

[@DaveBoswell-lz3kc]

That's what the 2001 version was.

[@davidwhitner9053]

A more faithful adaptation of the Boulle novel would be a treat. I'd hoped that the 2001 re-imagining was going to provide that glimpse of an advanced ape culture. A skyline of ladders instead of sidewalks? Yes, please. The Visionaries graphic novel adaptation of the Serling script had a great look to it, with the ape culture designed as if it were set in the early 60's period when Boulle wrote the novel. A fun take on the idea of setting a PotA film told from the apes' perspective would be an adaptation of Will Self's novel, Great Apes.

[@Goldenrod6901]

I could definitely be done where after we get a few movies we get something similar to Escape in which a few apes come back to modern times. They could fall like Zira and Cornelius but instead of having their Ceasar rise up like in the originals we could get a sequence where their DNA is studied by Gensis and lands on Will's desk.

[@PowerPackers90]

I think the way to do this and keep the "twist" is 2 ways. 1.) The audience knows it's Earth, but the new "Taylor" doesn't know that. So the movie is really uneasy and tense as you wait for that last shoe to fall. or 2.) The astronauts see a destroyed landmark right at the start, and the rest of the movie is about them figuring it out.

[@robertpolanco1973]

Personally, the only way that there be a kind of remake of "Planet of the Apes" is to be a movie that is completely FAITHFUL to the original 1963 novel by Pierre Boulle. After all, I read the novel and it was about as fascinating as the 1968 film itself. Sure that a Boulle-envisioned version will bring some curiosity and interest for those who read the novel, but it will also be a kind of learning experience for viewers who will see how the characters be presented as well as the setting itself. I might add that it would have finally made an impression on the late author as well since when Boulle didn't think his original novel would be a potential big-screen blockbuster at first back in the 1960's.

[@king_supreme1102]

Looks like Mae in the new movie is actually named Nova. Or at least is called that. Which indicates that they will be fleshing Nova out over the next 2 movies and finishing up the trilogy with her character in a retelling if the original movie.

[@christopherg.ramirez2079]

Honestly as long as it’s done with respect to the original series both ideas are interesting. On the one hand you get a series that comes full circle or a new interpretation of an already great story.

[@paulclow3398]

An interesting idea, but i think a remake/reboot of the original would be a bad move, personally i still think of all the new films and any possible future films as prequels which will eventually bring us full circle to the first film

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

I always felt the same

[@kev30631]

They always seem to think that they are smarter or more creative than the original filmmakers who made the thing a lasting success in the first place

[@bookwormdazzle1416]

Oooh! First of all, great video. And I pretty much agree with everything you said about how a remake would look like, if we even get to that point. If we do though, I think it'd be neat and fitting for the main astronaut's name to be Ulysse. The name of the original astronaut from Pierre Boulle's novel. It would almost feel like coming full circle.

[@Ape-Nation]

That would be a great homage for sure!

[@quinnastuno9959]

This might be unpopular, but I don’t think you do astronauts at all. I think you have a sect of humans (maybe descended from Mae) that have established a honor based warrior society that fight to coexist with Ape civilization over the course of the Third Trilogy, and you have a human lead akin to Taylor as the leader of this human sect who maybe works alongside a modern take on Cornelius and Zira to take down an ape leader akin to Zaius… but I agree with you that the earliest we’ll see a retelling of the 1968 original.

[@Alejandroigarabide]

I think they could pull a Cloverfield and release a remake of the original POTA while hiding from the marketing the fact that it's a remake. The trailers could show astronauts arriving at a strange planet without showing any apes (and a fake title, like "Planet X" or something). Then the movie starts, the astronauts leave Earth, crashland, and THEN they see the statue of Liberty, before meeting the apes. Then the true title appears. If not, I personally wouldn't mind a straight remake. It could be the start of a new trilogy, and we would discover the status quo of the new time period along with the human protagonists.

[@Ape-Nation]

I doubt they would ever try that with a big IP like Planet of the Apes, but it would so cool if they did!

[@Alejandroigarabide]

@@Ape-Nation I agree. It's just wishful thinking on my part.

[@anubusx]

I would love them to bring in the missing astronaunts who were referenced in Rise.

[@christianfournier6356]

I feel that there are innumerable social commentaries that future films can tackle. Back in the ‘60s the planet of the apes films would have been called “woke”. I hope they aren’t afraid to intelligently and boldly touch on things that are relevant today.

[@Zlopez671]

I would love a modern re-telling of the classic '68 film. I was hoping they would eventually get to it with these new films. Hopefully they do within the next few films.

[@MSS_548]

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about a remake. We all know the astronauts were referenced on the TV, in the background of Rise, so they exist in this universe but most remakes don't hold up. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[@wallywest2038]

I think they should really stretch this out. I want ro see Icarus come back but I think it should take a while for this to truly become a Planet of the Apes. I am excited for when we get there but you can still milk that premise for a few more movies. I would like to see them “retell” that story of the original down the road

[@ReeseRozum-sm1zs]

I would say bring it ! Also bring some aspects of the book into it , and they need a different but still shocking ending

[@ADHDIYuk]

I just rewatched all 5 of the original movies, the last 4 didn't live up to the first ones great story etc but it would be interesting to see a remake of the first, original one.

[@altonbunnjr]

I think this trilogy should be Noa's story. Then set the next one one thousand years later and make the reboot/remake the third of the trilogy.

[@GAFB1122]

Ignore the time travel aspects of the originals from the 60s. Let them be as they are. As I commented below, a far more interesting arc would be humans becoming intelligent again and (here is they key) rediscovering the knowledge they lost centuries ago. And how these intelligent humans and the intelligent Apes learn to coexist as equals. To me that would be fascinating!

[@Ape-Nation]

I've seen some people suggest this and I really like the idea!

[@nigeldonaldson1647]

Films that were re-makes/re-imaginings of originals that worked (against the odds)- BAT MAN BEGINS, TOMB RAIDER,DREDD (although I liked the original as well) & of course RISE OF APES, i wish after a period of years, there were more to, I would also like to see a PROPERLY done remake of - A CLOCKWORK ORANGE. there are so many complex classic films that left room to cover other aspects of their stories.

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

In my honest opinion no,we don't need a planet of the apes remake,We already got one in the past with the 2001 version and it bombed, I think the modern apes movies should end with the icarus crashing on earth,bringing the series,full circle since Rupert wyatt in an old interview alluded that George taylor exists in the reboot series

[@Ape-Nation]

He may have alluded to it, but he hasn't been involved in the series since 2012 and it has since been confirmed that this is un-connected (for now). A version of Taylor may exist in this universe, but it's not the one played by Charlton Heston.

[@Smoothy4doctor26]

To be fair though, the main reason it bombed was because they forced Burton to rush through cranking out an Apes remake story and didn’t allow him the freedom to completely re-imagine it the way he wanted so he would never want to do another Apes movie after that experience. If they allow the writers, producers, director the freedom to completely bring their vision to life, it could work.

[@youmadornahhh]

@@Smoothy4doctor26yeah and also TB is a hack.

[@emmanuelnkosi6988]

Not to mention rise is a remake of conquest

[@nunyabizness6595]

Kinda liked sleepy hollow, the two Batman movies and Peewee and scissorhands but the dude seemed to be way too enamored by set design.😂😂😂

[@SmitGin]

I hope to eventually see the Lawgiver in this new trilogy and the rise of the mutants in the Forbidden Zone. I would not mind a third trilogy starting with the retelling of the original 1968 film but not focusing on Zira, Cornelius, or Taylor but instead on the astronaut Dodge and chimpanzee scientist Milo. As for our beloved Statue of Liberty, I would not mind the astronauts immediately learning they are on Earth by crashing near Las Vegas with them walking down the Strip past the half nuclear melted NYNY hotel - that gives the filmmakers the opportunity to find their own ending while tipping their hat to the original film.

[@Ape-Nation]

That's not a bad idea!

[@orinanime]

The idea of "Ugh! Remakes! Bad!" Has always been stupid. There are plenty of movies that are considered classics today that are actually remakes. And the idea that "there are too many remakes! Hollywood ran out of original ideas!" Is also stupid. And also just blatantly untrue. There are approximately 270,000 to 500,000 films in existence depending on how one defines/categorizes them. And overwhelming number of them were produced by Hollywood. America averages about 700 movies per year. There are only a few hundred remakes in the world, total. And there are plenty of remakes that are just as good, if not even better than, the originals. For example: List of remakes that are better: Specifying when dealing with movies that had multiple remakes: Sydney Lumets 12 Angry Men (1957) 12 Years a Slave The 13th Letter John Ford's 3 Godfathers (1948) 3:10 to Yuma Nineteen Eighty-four An Affair to Remember All Quiet on the Western Front Angels in the Outfield Around the World in 80 Days (both 56 and 89 are better than the original) The Ballad of Narayama Barabbas (1961) Ben-Hur (1959) Mr Smith Goes to Washington Mimutiny on the Bounty & The Bounty (all 3 remakes were better than the 30s one) Brewster's Millions - has been made 7 times. Walter Hill's is the best one The Buccaneer Cape Fear The Cat and the Canary (1939) Liliom (1939 Fritz Lang) The Champ A Christmas Carol (like a half dozen film remakes and another half dozen TV remakes)(multiple better than the 1935 version) Dracula (multiple versions) Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde Down and Out in Beverly Hills Heaven can Wait The 10 Commandments (1956) Fatal Attraction The Fly Captain Blood (1935) The Free State of Jones The Gambler Gaslight Good Morning The Great Gatsby (1974 and 2013 were better than the original)(i never saw the other 2. Can't speak to those) Heat Homeward Bound The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (various versions of varying degrees of quality) Imitation of Life Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) Jane Eyre (multiple versions) The Jungle Book (multiple versions) The Maltese Falcon (1941) The Man Who Knew too Much The Mark of Zorro (50s and 70s) The Mirror has Two Faces The Money Pit My Fair Lady Nosferatu Ocean's Eleven Oliver Twist (multiple versions) The Phantom Carriage Pocket Full of Miracles Poseidon The Producers The Racket Riding High Robin Hood (multiple versions) A Royal Affair Scarface Seventh Heaven Sherlock Holmes (multiple versions) Show Boat (1951) So Big (1953) Solaris (1972) Sorcerer A Star is Born (1954) His Girl Friday Tarzan ( multiple versions) The Thief of Baghdad (1940) The Thing The 39 Steps (every remake was better than Hitchcock's original) Tom Sawyer ( multiple versions) Tower of London The Toy Frankenstein ( multiple versions) Victor/Victoria

[@pawfan]

Aside from the fact that the series left the astronauts out in space, and eventually will return back home, film techniques have changed, and a different set of generations exist that have differing views no stuff. So, a refresh would definitely be in order.

[@weedys6264]

They can still include the Statue of Liberty, I’d just put it in the beginning of the movie as the opening

[@JediHangout]

Leading towards the story of the original planet of the apes where an astronaut comes into that time period would make sense, however it can’t be an exact duplicate. The concept on the evolution were different in that series than this one and situations being different.

[@realdopecomics]

Shit I’m just trying to get Disney to restore the original 5 films in 4K.

[@Ape-Nation]

Same...

[@nigeldonaldson1647]

Why not do one of these on how to remake ROBOCOP, Which many of us keen fans would love. It never got a worthy sequel the way that TERMINATOR did.

[@One21Jiggawatts]

I think they should put off the Icarus story until the third trilogy but introduce the early stages of underground mutants in the third part of the current trilogy.

[@JohnPota-lc1uy]

Hey there. I still think that the new movies can be in the same universe as the original movies. Do you have any social media or discord where I can talk with you about this?

[@jeffreycoogan09]

Maybe not so much a direct remake of the 1968 movie. But a lot of people seem to be unaware of is that the original 1968 "Planet of the Apes" film. Was based on (Pierre Boulle's 1963 French Sci-Fi novel La Planète des singes). Translated into English as {Planet of the Apes}. Which tells the story of three Human/Astronaut explorers from Earth. Who happen upon an Earth like planet orbiting the star Betelgeuse. In which Great Apes are the dominant, intelligent, civilized and technically advanced species. Whereas Humans are reduced to a more savage state. However, if (Wes Ball and Josh Friedman) at some point intend to do a more accurate movie depiction of Pierre Boulle's 1963 novel is unknown at this time? But I would certainly like to see it!

[@JustAWriter12]

If you notice in the trailers, Freya Allan's character Mae is the only human who wears a different clothing. As a fan of the franchise since Charlton's original, I would like to believe that Mae is one of the astronauts from the Icarus ship that was established in Rise.

[@Mello_Media1]

Imagine 10 years from now we get a remade planet of the apes with a new actor for Taylor 😂 ngl I would be down for it especially with todays cgi the apes talking to the humans would look so good fr

[@andrewholmes3133]

A remake of the original is fine by me as long as it’s done totally different.

[@CNTconnoisseur]

A remake of the original could be really interesting. However, I always thought that the original was the best in a vacuum. It implied that humanity destroyed themselves. You can't do that in this timeliness, and I don't really like how the sequels negate that.

[@SosaA11]

They did destroy themselves in the movies humans created the virus

[@CNTconnoisseur]

@@SosaA11 One guy created the virus. That's completely different from nuclear war.

[@CNTconnoisseur]

@@SosaA11 1 guy created a virus. That's completely different from the planet engaging in nuclear war. We've come dangerously close to that a few times in real life.

[@isaaclee3788]

I think they definitely should do a remake, but not until after a trilogy about Noa. It's too early for KOTPOTA to be a remake or it's sequels to be remakes. Get those films done first, and then do a remake. But tell the story of the remake in a different way. And then it will make the younger generations want to check out the original 1968 movie, because they'll want to see how different it is. Hopefully.

[@dexterriley]

I think this current trilogy will aim towards more of an accurate adaptation of the Boule novel which wasn't possible budget wise in 1968. Rod serling cooked up original ending after all.

[@RichardRitenour0522]

I think they need to go back to the phenomenon's roots and make it as it was originally visioned by Pierre Boulle, not Rod Serling's vision which in and of itself is great but not the original.

[@jameslacey5474]

I would like to see elements from the original film, but not a remake because there is no way you could duplicate the original's shock ending. So far these films aren't about surprise endings, they have taken a different path. The major shift in these films is the fact that they are from the ape's perspective. I am excited to see how they handle the inclusion of the Icarus storyline, which would bring it full circle. I think you're wrong about changing the characters of the original i.e. Dr.Zaius, Zira, and Cornelius. If you look at what they did in the prior trilogy they kept the name Caesar and the essence of that character. That's because fans love those characters, They just need to put them in different situations to work. People like the same, but different. They just need to build on those characters, like they did with Caesar. Obviously, they can't use the Statue of Liberty as the big reveal, but it would be cool if they would use it in some capacity as a tip of the hat to the original. I do want to see a modern take on the hunt scene (well done, of course) with the astronauts as in the original. The one thing that worries me is the topsy-turvy nature of the film industry, such as studios being bought and sold and other unforeseeable decisions of that weight. Sure, you're looking at it with present eyes and how the series is going, but to say that in 10 years another trilogy will be just good is a long way off. Not only that but I don't want to wait 10 or more years for them to resolve the Icarus timeline, even if technically it works better for the story to be set a couple more thousand years in the future. Also, even though I enjoyed the idea of humans destroying themselves with nuclear bombs and turning into mutants, I'm not sure if this series is going to explore those ideas, we'll just have to wait and see. So far I do like the direction that they have taken with the IP.

[@bestevaar7195]

Kingdom takes place in the 2000s while the original takes place somewhere in the year 4000. So if the want to reconnect it they should do a retelling I guess

[@Jon0387]

If they do a remake they should do it in a third, maybe even fourth trilogy. I don’t want it in the upcoming trilogy that starts with Kingdom.

[@jeffguzman7107]

If they do remake the original POTA I hope it’s part of a third trilogy. Also if we do get a third trilogy I hope the apes have a more advanced civilization like ancient Greece

[@NephaiX]

I fully believe these new films are prequels to the original film. I think they wrote prequels for that film and ignored the rest of the films made in the 1970's I counted several points in the new films that coincide with the original film. This, I believe, will be confirmed in the next film when the nuclear war happens. we shall see.

[@unc1221]

Agreed

[@nex_ialist06]

Actually if they're prequels to the first film, they can also work as prequels to the other 4 sequels. You have the first "original/bad" timeline from rise to beneath which ends with the world beeing destroyed by the atomic bomb, then zira and cornelius travel back in time creating a "new/good timeline" from escape to battle which ends with apes and humans coexisting peacfully. However i don't actually think these new movies are prequels cause it is heavily implied in rise that the astronauts that will discover the planet of the apes are those astronauts that went to mars, a mission that happened way after the 70s

[@balthazarasquith]

The original doesn't need remaking it's the best film of the lot

[@lishaizion]

I think a movie after kingdom would fit so well

[@TheRealRodent]

If it's based on the book, it's not a remake. So many movies get called remakes when they're actually based on the original sources.

[@mtmc7269]

I think all of the films do and will form a complete circle.

[@Ape-Nation]

We'll see!

[@kennyjayhardy]

They watch Star Wars. Star Wars episode 4 A New Hope was released May 25th, 1977….

[@conorosullivan1347]

I don’t think it should be rushed. I defenitely don’t want Mai to be an astronaut. It’s just too soon. I want to be able to appreciate the time between War and Astronauts’ arrival (if it even happens). It’s bad enough they jumped 300 years and missed out on Cornelius’s story. I don’t want them to miss out on every single storytelling opportunity along the way by rushing. I get that it’s not always linear and Disney+ can have a series that explores that which I would watch to fill in the gaps. How I think it might happen is Proximus Caesar is searching for human technology like we know he will be. Then his apes find a NASA device which is a safety homing beacon which returns the Icarus spacecraft and her crew to Earth but I don’t want it to happen in Kingdom. I’d rather it takes place in either the next trilogy or the next trilogy after that or even the next film.

[@TheMAmeph]

I don't think we "need" a remake or retelling of the original story. It doesn't fit the new ape-verse. The whole shocking plot twists wouldnt work. I strongly prefer completely new and different stories, like we had up to now, there is enough creative force out there to imagine that. The success of the latest trilogy also is proof to it. They should go further down this path and leave the original story be. And then they might end everything with the spaceship crashing down, if they really want a tie in, fine, but don't elaborate further.

[@americasteam2112]

I don’t think it will. If this new trilogy is successful, I can see them do a semi-remake of the original in a trilogy set 1000s of years after this current trilogy.

[@SplinkProductions]

Most of today’s moviegoers have no clue about the original film-other than maybe the Statue of Liberty ending.

[@LeeHardingakaFirmament]

Reboots, reimaginings etc of other properties have, in the main, failed dismally (except for the Batman franchise) so I’m kind of wary - especially when thinking back on how Burton’s “reimagining” turned out. A ‘retooling’ of the original story is beset with problems and not least the original ‘68 shock ending couldn’t really happen: with the original movie, nothing had come before it so there was no backstory literally until the final frames. With the newer movies (essentially a revised “Conquest”), we HAVE that backstory already.

[@petebennett3733]

The original movies would never even exist if it wasnt for the actual novel published in the early 60's and by extension the entire franchise would never even exist without the novel being published to start with

[@z00pac]

I always assumed these movies would lead up to a remake of the original. I thought that was the point of the reboot

[@DaveBoswell-lz3kc]

It was

[@MichaelTelman-we5dm]

They acknowledge the space flight, so it could be in a similar time line. I still think it's a reboot/prequel like Star Trek 2008.

[@MichaelTelman-we5dm]

My biggest issue with the fantastic reboot trilogy was the Apes origin story wasn't as interesting as the plague that killed everyone's pets. That was pretty brilliant. The virus in the reboot was too convenient. It not only made the Apes smarter,but by the third one the humans turned stupid. It was more evolutionary in the original sequels.

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

Yes it is,cause back then that's what the director rupert wyatt had alluded to with the reference to the icarus being lost in space

[@z00pac]

@@Tommy-yz4rm Yeah I said that cause I'm seeing a lot of people on youtube theorizing and raising the question if that is the potential future when that always seemed obvious lol

[@tacotoosday42]

I know these are great points and all. I agree really I do. But I guarantee they said the same stuff when making the Tim Burton film.

[@Ape-Nation]

Fair, but that was made in a totally different time under different circumstances.

[@Whywas6scared]

Regarding the twist ending, they should cut to Bobby getting out of the shower and Pam telling him that she just had a really weird dream. Yep, I'm old.

[@MichaelTelman-we5dm]

I think they did that with Escape. That's why the sequels worked

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Dallas. Yeah, I got the joke.

[@AS-ri1mb]

They should try to make it more in line with the book (minus it taking place on another planet)

[@demonteprice5870]

I know the movies dont perfectly align (the launch in the original film being a dead give) but I still like to believe a version of the original film ends up still happening (like more or less 1 for 1 Heston and all, just blot out a date and the nuclear war allusions as speculations) mostly cause the original film is just perfect and needs no recreation, it and the Rise trilogy are all just fantastic films with stories that make them must watches

[@dylancooper3690]

If there had been closure to the Burton version's final scene, I don't think it would be as disregarded as it's become.

[@nigeldonaldson1647]

Some might argue that Tim Burton's version is already the remake, for better or worse, from the vibes I'm getting from KINGDOM OF APES this also is very close for the plotting of the original 1968 film

[@jonathanstempleton7864]

Do people who don't like to watch older films also not read older books?

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

I have a theory. I saw the newest trailer before Dune 2 yesterday and I think the upcoming movie is a remake from the apes point of view. The woman has clothes that look too high tech for that era. She might be an astronaut. The lead chimpanzee is figuring out a secret history and will probably get hit with the Statue of Liberty at the end. I could be wrong but .....

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

​@@RoyCyberPunk Okay, what about a time traveler? Or someone awakened from cryogenic sleep? It doesn't have to be an astronaut. It can be someone in Taylor's role.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

​@@RoyCyberPunkYes, but the reveal wouldn't be for the human, it would be for the apes.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

​​@@RoyCyberPunkOf course I have seen the trailer but there is zero context for those scenes. You don't know if that's common knowledge or private discussion. Part of pulling off a trick ending is making the viewer make false assumptions with little evidence.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

​@@RoyCyberPunk Whatever,man.

[@stevekasan3105]

Kingdom is a start of a new trilogy. Will Noah lead to becoming the Lawgiver and setting rules for future ape society? If it leads to a retelling of the first then being from the Ape perspective is the way to go as that is what this new series is. Actually, aside from the first and Beneath, the other 3 films have been from the Ape pov What would be great stunt casting is the astronaut is Whalburg

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

Sorry but no more Walberg...in my opinion please

[@luispenick7448]

I thought you had a lot of good things to say. One thing I admittedly disagree with is you saying it would be cool if it took place a 1000 years in the future. The og took place 2000 years in the future and i think it's a huge mistake. The original doesn't make sense that it would only take 2000 years for apes to be on top and humans to be on bottom. It makes more sense if you interpret the sequels after escape to be in the same timeline but I think that interpretation is just wrong. The og POTA expects you to believe apes just evolved to be more human like. As unlikely as that may be it would take millions of years for apes and humans to change. When we start dealing with millions of years the apes world suddenly gets more mysterious and alien. With the new reboot universe it does make more sense from a science fiction pov. With that being said societies develop pretty slowly. Ape populations are sparce and far in-between so not a lot of trade. It's gotta be at least 5000 years or more in the future. One of my favorite things about the new reboot movies is the close attention to detail in the science fiction. It just makes way more sense than the originals.

[@TheJoshJman]

Bro ur missing out, some 1940s movies are fire 🔥

[@Ape-Nation]

I've seen a decent handful, and two of my all time favorite movies are from the 30s/40s! (The Grapes of Wrath and Wizard of Oz). Not opposed to movies of that era at all, it's just harder for me to get into a lot of them.

[@TheJoshJman]

@@Ape-Nation oh Aite bet, thanks for your videos, cool channel

[@strikerslicer5010]

To me, Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes is a sequel/remake , why because it tells a new story that isn't a continuation of Cornelius after war and its a good start for new audiences if they haven't watched the ceaser trilogy, if someone wanted to start a new complete remake then I say they should do it from let's say 20 years from now maybe until if kingdom is successful at the box office which I'm completely confident it will be, when it starts it's new trilogy

[@davemathis4215]

I hope we meet proteus ,,, and prodius brought the human among them and did make sport of it😂😂

[@jamesschulziii9098]

I Don't like remakes however they could do it well.

[@patricktilton5377]

The RISE-DAWN-WAR-and-KINGDOM series hasn't had a Nuclear War in it, and THAT element is the Big Reveal at the end -- it's what the sight of the Statue of Liberty represents: Taylor's discovery of the Answer that Zaius knew he wouldn't like once he found it . . . that Man had waged a Nuclear War and wiped out his own civilization, thus earning the fear and hatred of the Zaius-types who knew the Terrible Secret. These new films are a reboot of the basic concept -- but they've opted to alter the scenario from one in which Man waged a Nuclear War, exemplifying Human evil, to one in which a well-intentioned scientist -- working for a reckless corporation seeking Profits -- sought to develop a cure for Alzheimer's Disease. An ape like Koba had reason enough to hate Humans, due to having been tortured as a test animal in a lab, but most of the apes who inherit their new dominant position will only have had their mistreatment by the Colonel (from WAR) as a reason to feel antipathy towards humans -- unlike how the Apes in the original 5-film saga could point to Man having subjugated them as Slaves (tortured with electro-shock truncheons and Conditioning at APE MANAGEMENT strapped to the "No!"-table), not to mention the Nuclear War which turned a 'paradise' into the lifeless wasteland their Lawgiver refers to as the Forbidden Zone. The apes in Boulle's book, who assumed the mantle of civilization when the humans of Soror succumbed to a sense of ennui and allowed themselves to be overtaken by the apes (who 'aped' them), didn't have the same sense of fear and hatred that Zaius displays towards Taylor and everything he represents. The new reboot series represents a kind of middle-ground between Boulle's original concepts and the 5-film Classic POTA saga's themes. Man falls from the apex of civilization in the new reboot series due to the unintended consequences of an attempt by scientists to improve the lives of suffering people -- people like Charlton Heston, who sadly suffered from Alzheimer's before he passed away). But the human species which Taylor left behind when he ventured out into Outer Space, leaving the 20th Century behind, deserved his admonition to God to DAMN them all to Hell, because they had resorted to their worst instincts -- to "be a warlike people who gives battle to everything around him -- even himself!" . . . "Man is EVIL -- capable of nothing but Destruction!" The humans who seem to be barely surviving in the clips I've seen of KINGDOM -- do they deserve to be mistreated by the would-be simian 'king' who starts hunting them down? As there has been no Nuclear War in the scenario laid out by RISE (etc.), I don't see how any of us can answer in the affirmative. It'll be interesting to see how they explain the transition of at least some of the simians in KINGDOM to the human-hunting (and human-hating) mindset. It's a reboot -- and cannot be a direct prequel to the 1968 film. Having said that, I am open to them presenting us with a story involving the spaceship that disappeared at/near Mars -- the 'ICARUS' -- which is a plot element that needs to be resolved in some fashion or other. Will the ship and its crew be time-travelled into the Future a millennium or so? Or will it arrive sometime soon, so that the 'Nova' character introduced in WAR as a mere girl can be an adult yet mute woman, available to serve the plot as the 'love' interest for a Taylor-like astronaut protagonist? Will KINGDOM end with the landing of that spaceship back on Earth -- setting us up for a 5th film, dealing with the initial interactions of the astronauts with these new intelligent, talking Apes in a world turned upside-down? Well, we'll find out in a couple months . . .

[@FirstDouchaEver]

I love your knowledge and you laid it all out very well. I do think (bar a couple of small leaps) that there's no need to remake and it can be a prequel to the original though. The small leaps are exactly what you describe, when and how did the nukes go off (I think they can still go off after Rise before Kingdom OR after Kingdom - it's hard to tell when Kingdom is set, but I feel like it's not 2000 years later. I think Nova is just a fan nod and not THEE Nova.... but yeah if they are really rebooting it and what not then it's just fan service. Currently there's still everything to say that it still fits as prequels to the originals.. with the events of Escape onwards being a new and alternate timeline that overwrite Andy Serkis Caesar in favour of ole Roddy MacDowels one in the 60s and the slavery that happens there due to the fear of the 'talking apes'.. To me it still fists that the ALZ-112 started it... but was ultimately irrelevant once they travel back to the 60s as an evolved species. Dunno. I hope it does not overwrite or re do the original, I'd rather it lead to it, and be very clever about it

[@patricktilton5377]

@@FirstDouchaEver I don't consider the ESCAPE-CONQUEST-BATTLE timeline to be a CHANGED one. It fulfilled the 'time-loop'. The destiny of the PLANET-BENEATH situation relies on there having been the time-traveling of the Ape-onauts back from 3955 to 1973. Cornelius (and Zira, too) had read those "history scrolls kept hidden from the masses" which he mentions to Hasslein as being the source for his knowledge of 'pre-history' regarding the Fall of Man and the Rise of Apes. He mentions, first, the Plague that killed off all the Dogs and Cats (which then is said to have happened in 1983, when Armando shows Caesar the Pet Memorial to 'Rover' and 'Tabby' 8 years later in 1991). Also, the Bomb-Worshiping society ruled by Mendez XXVI in BENEATH is shown to have had its origins in BATTLE, when Mendez the First has to convince Alma NOT to detonate the Doomsday Bomb as per Kolp's orders, encouraging her -- and all the other wretches eking out a living in the ruins of Breck's city -- to 'venerate' it instead, telling her (whom we earlier saw applying cosmetics to her damaged face) that what the Bomb had made them will be considered "beautiful" -- a pre-echo of the hymn heard in BENEATH: "All things bright and beautiful / All creatures great and small / All things wise and wonderful / The good Bomb made us all..." The 5 films are a Circle. The opening scene of PLANET takes place on the SHIP-TIME date 7-14-1972, i.e. the EARTH-TIME date 3-23-2673. The 'frame' scenes of BATTLE take place during the EARTH-TIME year "AD 2670" and it can be shown that the PLANET date of 3-23-2673 occurs later on the same SHIP-TIME date [7-14-1972] that Taylor experiences about a hundred lightyears away, around a third of the way to their Destination, 320 lightyears away in the constellation Orion. From 1 January 2670 until 23 March 2673 there are 1,178 EARTH-TIME days -- the maximum amount of Time separating that BATTLE scene with the 'Lawgiver' from Taylor's opening scene. I can prove that Taylor's ship experiences 48 synodic months every SHIP-TIME day, i.e. 48 x 29.5305882 = 1,417.468234 EARTH-TIME days every single SHIP-TIME day. From 31 December 2670 until 23 March 2673 there are 814 EARTH-TIME days, so between a minimum of 814 and a maximum of 1,178 days pass by on Earth from that Lawgiver scene in BATTLE until Taylor is seen giving his opening "final report" -- i.e. between 27.564... and 39.89... synodic months, both numbers being well under the 48 synodic EARTH-TIME months that click by during one single SHIP-TIME day. In other words, BATTLE ends on the exact same EARTH-TIME day when Taylor will experience the SHIP-TIME date of 7-14-1972 in PLANET. It's like how the Pink Floyd album THE WALL ends exactly where it begins: "Hey, isn't this where--" . . . "--we came in?" Based on the clock information in that opening scene, as well as dialogue from the trek across the Forbidden Zone after the Landing in Dead Lake, it can be deduced that Taylor's ship travels exactly 81 lightyears for every 130 days of SHIP-TIME, a rate of 0.623076923 lightyears per SHIP-TIME day, which translates to 0.0004395702904 lightyears per EARTH-TIME day (i.e. about 6.2286 EARTH-TIME years pass by for each lightyear they travel). Some 2,006.86 EARTH-TIME years go by during the time it takes to get them to their Destination, where they actually DO arrive . . . before their EMERGENCY HOMING DEVICE somehow gets activated, propelling them not only back to Earth but also back through Time from 11-25-3978 to late September 3955. I can 'prove' all this, mind you, though not every POTA fan will agree with my scenario! However, that's a discussion for another time . . . 🤪

[@FirstDouchaEver]

Hmmmm, so the last time I watched the OG series was probably 20 years ago (though I've seen then many times up until then and thought my memory had enough detail to comment), thus the details you lay out here are beyond 😂, I bow to the depths you've gone to. Perhaps, based on this, I'd like another cyclical/timeline change then. The new Icarus astronauts are NOT Talyor... but someone else. And then at some point the 'new' apes travel back in time also changing the past to the one you describe about cats and dogs and all that (I do remember that speech now you bring it up and it fits throw a spanner in the new virus stuff). They cause advancement tech that end up fast forwarding the Icarus flight from 2010 (or whenever new apes with Franco was made) to 1968. Man uses nuckes out of fear and we start again.

[@patricktilton5377]

@@FirstDouchaEver Well, for me, I don't really care what they do with this reboot series, in regards to the Classic POTA 5-film series -- as long as it's thoughtful, interesting, hopefully controversial, and (with any luck) at least somewhat satirical. And as long as they don't insist that these newer films are supposed to lead to the '68 original as a supposedly more legitimate 'prequel' or lead-up to it. The last 3 films were, themselves, the legitimate 'prequels' to PLANET & BENEATH, with the Time-travelling Ape-onauts being the 'hinge'-point leading from the End back to the Beginning. But I'm fine with them making use of their own 'lost' spaceship 'ICARUS' crew returning to Earth and encountering these Talking Apes -- whether their return is in a near-future or a thousand years into the future, or more. It's just that I don't consider these newer films to be in the same 'universe' as the Classic POTA series -- any more than I deem the Burton 'Re-Imagining' version with Marky Mark to belong to it. Neither the Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno TV version of the Hulk nor the first film version starring Eric Bana are part of the MCU (except MAYBE in some sort of 'Multiverse' sense, and even THAT is iffy at best) -- that's how I see these newer APES films in relation to the 5-film series they're paying homage to. It's a reboot, and I'm fine with that. But I'll NEVER be fine with them insisting somehow that these newer films lead up to the '68 film. Taylor launched from Cape Kennedy in mid-January of 1972 -- that detail is set-in-stone in the opening scene of PLANET -- and the spaceship 'ICARUS' which goes missing during RISE cannot be the same ship. By all means, let 'em tell the story of these DIFFERENT astronauts returning to find Earth a planet of talking apes -- just as long as it's not the same one we saw through Taylor's eyes.

[@iscreemz4494]

Remaking the original Planet Of The Apes would be a bad idea. Look hoe it turned out for everyone's favorite "Quirky Genius" (not to be confused with the idiotic "Stable Genius"), Tim Burton? Everything so far (Rise, Dawn, War) has been awesome. Keep these films ad their own alternate universe version.

[@MichaelTelman-we5dm]

I know Heston can be corny, but he would be tough to replace. That was the biggest problem with the Tim Burton one. Technically the "reboots" were remakes of the cheaper sequels. It could work, but it would be tough.

[@dueceCapri]

I think andy serkis should play the astronaut

[@mattknill]

i had an idea for a planet of the apes television series. a man is trapped in a freezer and his frozen body is found 3000 years later by archeologists. in this version of planet of the apes, the apes are very technologically advanced. humans are either put in zoos or animal shelters. the main character is put in an animal shelter for adoption. Dr Zaius adopts the man as a gift for his grandchildren. after learning that mankind nearly destroyed the planet centuries ago, Dr Zaius tries to get rid of the man, however the man is not very bright. he thinks Dr Zaius is his best friend. the series is mostly a comedy. however, there would be episodes about what caused the downfall of man and what happened to the rest of the humans.

[@NovaSalix]

That would be a great series

[@orangypteco8858]

I disagree on telling the retelling of the OG story from the POV of the Apes, the whole intriguing thing about the original POTA is the fish out of water situation as well as how Taylor gets to be the voice of criticism of the Ape society which I felt kind of wasn't fully exploited and I think the new retelling would be a perfect chance for Taylor to be much more outspoken about how flawed the Ape society would be.

[@LadyhawksLairDotCom]

I'm already worried _Battle_ will be a remake / retelling. I've reached the point where I'd prefer a creative swing and a miss to a remake or retelling. If they actually make a decent retelling, I'll go with it, but overall, Hollywood has lost its creative spine. As an aside: One series I admire for taking chances is _Strange New Worlds._ Some of the episodes fell flat for me (and others), but at this point, I'll give every episode at least three stars for trying something different. _Strange New Worlds_ pissed off a lot of OG fans, but they're the same fans who complain about too many remakes, so I'm going to assume there's simply no pleasing those people. FWIW, I'm the same age as _Star Trek,_ and I was able to just go with it when SNW did something weird like have the entire crew burst into song. Different = entertaining.

[@DaddyLogan420]

Hear me out, a twist for modern audiences. We finally get a remake of the traditional planet of the apes but In the movie we learn that the space trip Taylor and crew were on is founded and created by none other than GenSys (the corporation from the first movie). We find out they were doing orbital trips to collect data for human pharmaceuticals. At the end of the movie we cut to a different rocket that has been transported through time but landed in the same time that Taylor and his crew has. There’s only one survivor, and it’s none other than Will. He busts down the rocket entrance and looks around, the camera pans back and we get a sweeping shot of a beach and a slow reveal of the Statue of Liberty. This could be explained by saying that they were doing multiple space trips and Will got sent out before the pandemic had even become a pandemic. That, or his reason for going into space could’ve been to find resources to stop the spread of the pandemic. it would definitely take a little bit of riding around because I believe he quit Genesis at the end of the first movie, but they could say his passion for helping humanity led him to come back, especially with Jacobs being dead and no longer in charge. It’s a reach, I know. Especially with everything going on with Franco 😂, but if you’re looking for a reveal, there it is

[@ArcanceArchivesHQ]

The original will always be one of the best movies out there. Charlton Heston is a Legend and for me a remake won't make any justice for what the 1968 did. That being said , Caesar trilogy did an incredible job respecting past Apes movies. For me my own cannon is that Caesar trilogy is the true prequel origin on how it all happened, plus this new Kingdom it will all lead up into the original 1968 as Taylor came back to Earth 🙈🙉🙊

[@ideamentors5075]

Apes and humans learn to get along real good but aliens attack. We use our qualities to fight back.

[@galactic06]

If they were to do a remake of the original film, I think an interesting way to make it stand apart from the original is to make the setting more similar to the novel. This may be incorrect since I haven't read the original novel (I've have ordered it) but I believe the novel has the ape world in a much more technologically advanced world, with the ape world almost being identical to the one we have today, and that this was changed due to budget constraints of the film. So why not for the remake have it be set in this technologically advanced, almost cyper-punk like future? As Kingdom is already showing us an ape society very similar to the original film, it would make sense that 700 years later (or whenever this remake would take place) They would be even more advanced. I think it would be an interesting way to set it apart from the original as well as showing us something we haven't seen in the film franchise before

[@Ape-Nation]

I think borrowing more from the book would be a great way to go about it!

[@decadentdave]

I was hoping we would see Taylor in Kingdom but if it doesn’t happen until the second or third film of the new trilogy that’s fine. You couldn’t do the same reveal ending because it’s been done although the imagery of the Statue of Liberty buried and decaying is even more symbolic of America today. I thought the reveal of the NY subway for Brent was also a cool reveal. I would be curious to see a retelling of Beneath which has become more and more my favorite over the years because of its ballsy nihilism. Wouldn’t it be cool to see the Mutants introduced and the Alpha Omega bomb based on the Russian Tsar Bomba? Very prescient with the prospect of nuclear war tensions heating up with Russia, China, North Korea and Iran for today’s current generation.

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

We wouldn't need to see taylor yet,because kingdom is only 300 years after Caesar's trilogy

[@decadentdave]

@@Tommy-yz4rm yes but this is an alternate universe timeline and as we have already seen events that happen differently than the original timeline.

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

@decadentdave the director behind rise already alluded that George Taylor exists in the new films,and it's a thousand years between the apes rise up to when his ship crashes. I saw an old interview

[@decadentdave]

@@Tommy-yz4rm that director is no longer involved in the films. He set up the Icarus launching in Rise but it could return at any time.

[@Tommy-yz4rm]

@@decadentdave it doesn't matter,it's still set up that he could eventually return years later

[@carydavidhoffson6014]

The 1968 was not set up to have a before move in the first place that is why they made the rest of the movies they way they did them with Taylor spaceship was the key to the other apes movies

[@Ape-Nation]

True

[@amorojaz27]

As long as the apes remain the central characters, I'm open to a remake.

[@ectofreak1959]

These are all new tales but they hit the same beats as the original movies & nothing is wrong with that. I still think we'll see the iconic ending but that's about it.. but do it in a different way.