Defense Wins - Control the Enemy!

[@antarshakti3093]

This input has made my wing chun better and stronger. Thank you Sifu 🙏

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@antarshakti3093 fantastic. Glad to help!

[@DavidCaines100]

I first learned the fence maybe 30 years ago from a special Forces student 5th SF Fort Lewis Wa, at that time, the fence was being taught to special operators and I hope that it still is, as to street fighting, it revolutionized my self defense. I'm happy that you've incorporated it into Wing Chun. That takes balls to go against tradition in that way so thank you.

[@JKDandWingChun]

Thanks for the input. It’s certainly a smart tactic when the other guy is trying to blitz with rights and lefts, isn’t it? And as for going against tradition…yeah…the traditionalists out there aren’t sending much love my way LOL. Again, thanks for watching and for the input.

[@glennstuart6986]

Spot on Sifu, love the fence until bridge control

[@CoachSteveJandS]

Wrist, elbow, shoulder 🙏🏼💪🏼

[@W8OTW]

Great video sifu. So many people still stuck in a static box. Ultimately this position is still found in the WC forms. Ive trained under an ip man/leung sheung lineage for about 4 years and when i asked my sifu about this gaurd position a while back he said its 100 percent apllicable and just considers it an "invitation gaurd". Another prominent jkd practioner that uses this method is Bob Breen. Great info and break down.🙏

[@JKDandWingChun]

thanks for the input. And you're so very right. The fence position is absolutely in the first and second forms. Great point about the invitation guard too. That's a nice way of putting it.

[@mikeruddell6091]

In training pals who were using more "karate" like strikes/attack (also shining a stick at me (made of plastic s I found this type of "blocking/countering". It frustrated them a lot. I countered with a quick neck yoke followed by more attacks. Thanks Sifu for the teaching a very effective counterattack.

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@mikeruddell6091 thanks for watching, Mike.

[@JKDVIPER]

1:46 always smart. That’s the difference over here. I agree, TAN SAO is a great spreading hand on the inside, it can jam on the outside but a hand can be REPOSTED and so, fighters in street conflicts tend to send circles at you. Depending on stance if you’re facing away, that first circle punch is gonna come in from a righty against a righty directly around his left side face. So unless we turn it around and FACE THEM right on left, and so on, I don’t think much of the collection will work. That’s where jkd improved wing chun. It’s in those longer slicker moves like bui gee and cheung that make the difference. I see what you mean.” It’s ok to be reaching out when there’s a target to get, not from 6 feet away to look cool.” 3:01 regarding that, I connect to face when I see a bridge I’ll use it like a ramp.”

[@surfside16]

Geoff Thompson is an English guy and a bouncer at different nightclubs and has written a couple of books on fighting teaches the fence as the primary way for defense and offense. And it makes sense as you're protecting your face, and your hands are ready to fire back.

[@Kane-ez]

Geoff is a great man and fighter

[@hernannoriega5436]

The only Tan Sao problem is distance: all of WC moves, especially Tan Sao, works in closing the gap. That's more boxing distance in the video. Plus, rotation is key. That classical guard is just a concept of using ambidexterity to protect your center.

[@gw1357]

Your fence guard is similar in some ways to one the key hand positions in White Crane kung fu. You also see it a lot in Okinawan karate, which is an immediate descendant of White Crane (as is Wing Chun). It also reminds me of basic Muay Thai guard or of the "Mummy" guard in American boxing. All of which is to say that usually when you're doing something that looks similar to something else it because you've both independently hit on the same biomechanical truth.

[@ruiseartalcorn]

Great advice!!! :)

[@HayesPearce]

Seiken Shukumine (the founder of Taido) said "karate needs to adapt or die" which can be applied to any martial art.

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@HayesPearce absolutely correct. The point of the method isn’t the method but its function, right? I end up irritating Wing Chun traditionalists on here because their presupposition is that method must look in application exactly as it does in training drills and forms. That’s the issue. We believe that the forms are structural foundations of applications that we need to apply to reality. Anyway, thanks for watching and for the great input too.

[@paul7754]

The 'fence' defense is a good way to 'seek the bridge' and it allows options for control. Yeah - I went to a traditional WC school in northern California. The WC was great but there weren't any other options than the classic approach. I hate the bad wrap WC gets because it's incorrectly applied. I also like Kenpo Karate but LOVE Wing Chun on the inside - nothing more effective!

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@paul7754 It’s funny that you brought this up because we just had another dustup with a traditional guy here. They’re the worst kind of religious fanatic, treating the system like it’s sacred Scripture rather than a tool to be applied. As for the bridge, you nailed it. Once we’re in control, it’s usually lights out. Getting control is the issue…getting that bridge is the tough part that’s too often ignored. Glad you liked the video and thanks for commenting.

[@marcvinyard3050]

Thank you for another great video. Do these blocks also work against the overhand?

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@marcvinyard3050 the overhand is dangerous if it catches us with our arms extended, so we’ve got to be careful with our range. Styles make fights, right…so, it’s important to understand that Superman has kryptonite and Wing Chun can be vulnerable in mid-range to that overhand or the wide hook. Many Wing Chun traditionalists refuse to accept this fact as if making adjustments is sacrilegious or something. Our recommendation is that the high/fence guard can pick off the overhand with the Biu Sao when the range and angle are accounted for. We’ve also found that if there’s a significant height disadvantage, such as a woman versus a tall male, that a Biu Jee form style head cover is helpful too. The key is for the Wing Chun student to learn the forms (the structural foundations of all applications) and drills. That’s always the first step, the foundation. Next, and critically, they have to take that material to the testing arena and learn how THEY apply things. We have some students here who really use elbows and low kicks a lot; others not so much. Our philosophy is that it’s the student who uses the system and not the other way around. Hope this helped. It’s a great question. Thanks for it…and for watching too!

[@jarrodpelrine7229]

That fence reaching block everyone seems to say it is a biu-sao block I was told the Chinese name for that block is called wyoky pronounced why-u-kie

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@jarrodpelrine7229 we usually call it Biu Sao here too. Thanks for the input.

[@paul7754]

Who are the two gentlemen to the right of your sifu? I trained in the Kenneth Chung and Ben Der family in San Jose as an 'outsider' (non-Chinese). I only trained for a few years.

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@paul7754 that’s Edmond Fong and Ip Ching.

[@paul7754]

@@JKDandWingChun Thanks!

[@dhiruparmar8908]

Tan sau in the first form shows you only use chest level, common sense it won't work higher. A bit late now showing it don't work at high level. We are in 2024 now.

[@CARLOSOrdillas-li2ij]

Kung fu must be added with boxing to be fully rounded opponents are always inna live resistance it's like your defanging a poison snake limbs are in constant motions Daz why Bruce Lee implemented jkd to change with change

[@cprpremiumhandymanservices3735]

I see your not under water

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@cprpremiumhandymanservices3735 thankfully, no. Driving over to the school after the storm, I was astonished at all the damage wrought by Helene. The poor folks up in Asheville and western North Carolina were absolutely slammed by all the flash flooding. We had a little flooding here but mainly it was wind damage and big trees down. Driving over that first day I’d say that literally every road was either blocked fully by downed trees or had one that you had to drive around.

[@cprpremiumhandymanservices3735]

@@JKDandWingChun my mom lives in Greensboro, people are saying the name of the storm should be Kamala because of the damage

[@jsavak99]

What happened to JKD ?

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@jsavak99 don’t worry, we’ve got some JKD videos on the way. 😎

[@MrMarkc100]

At what point will you finally jettison the Wing Chun label? 😄 If you box/do JKD and you have deviated far from what is known as Wing Chun, then the WC label surely becomes redundant.... It's just Jason-Do/Fu

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@MrMarkc100 we believe that the Wing Chun system consists of the forms (the structural foundations of applications), training drills designed to develop reflexive skill in application (such as bag work, footwork drills, chi-sao, lop sao, etc.) and fighting tactics. Wing Chun traditionalists routinely mistake forms and drills AS tactical application and are, therefore, we believe, stuck with a contradiction. Application tactics are a different field of study than training drills or forms. Drills and forms seek technical precision; application seeks adaptability to a non-cooperative opponent. Fighting a boxer the same way one would fight a BJJ guy is foolhardy. So much time is spent developing technical skill via the forms and drills that many of us never seriously engage “the real world out there” and end up thinking that Wing Chun will simply apply itself for us. We think that tactical application training should be 1/3 of Wing Chun so as to best prepare us to deal with attacks most common today. The forms and drills are the same due to physics; the application tactics will vary according to need. All that said, I appreciate your concern and hope this clears up the confusion. This video details a tactical option that utilizes technical detail from the forms (the fence guard is literally in Chum Kiu, for example). If I took it upon myself to change the forms we could rationally say that I jettisoned the method. Creative application of the technical details is, in our view, exactly what Wing Chun is as opposed to a slavish adherence in combat to a preconceived plan derived from the forms or drills. As Wong Shun Leung said, make Wing Chun your slave, don’t be its slave. Thanks for the opportunity to address such a serious issue.

[@MrMarkc100]

@@JKDandWingChun don't misunderstand me, I think your material is really good.

[@JKDandWingChun]

@@MrMarkc100 well, thank you very much, good sir. And again, really love the question.