The Very Unique Finnish MiG-21bis That Added A Lot To The Game

[@JeonTank0518]

Truly one of the jets of all time. It has a fuselage, it has wings, It has one of the missiles in the game. One of the planes of top tier.

[@Commenter495]

one of the planes ever

[@Matt85ism]

A solid 5/10!

[@ricardohumildebrabo]

@@Matt85ism 5/7*

[@ATBatmanMALS31]

How did you develop such a striking wit sir *rolls his eyes so hard he literally separates the balls from the stalk, rendering himself blind*

[@halo-7797]

It truly is the plane in its class

[@unoriginalplays120]

The all time MiG that clearly diversifies gameplay and adds so much immersive gameplay

[@chrxpop]

The Finnish camo absolutely added a lot to the game.

[@0GTXR]

+50% damage to soviet planes on cold maps

[@eesangWT]

Speed of Sound is one of those settings where it needs to be forced enabled for all players otherwise there's no reason to turn it on because it's a straight disadvantage. irl supersonic objects (jets, bullets) will pass by you and THEN you hear it after, but if Speed of Sound is disabled in War Thunder we can hear supersonic objects instantaneously.

[@djkecstasy630]

I have it turned on, because u can locate tanks better.

[@jercki72]

sir this is not a sim game

[@Marin3r101]

For real, anything to inprove audio locating. This "that isn't real though" bruh the game isnt a sim in RB. Its pretty close but not a full sim.

[@jonathonspears7736]

Just like I feel like all players should be forced to use the gunner sight.

[@Tom-jw7ii]

@@jercki72 Ironically, if it were a sim game, hearing the bullets early wouldn’t even be an advantage, because if you’re close enough to hear your enemy’s guns, then you’re also too close to react.

[@el_DartoSuprapto]

Clearly one of the planes of all time

[@blessthismessss]

y'know how in real life, when an airliner flies high above your head, you hear their sound from an earlier part of the sky than they are now, I think that's what gaijin is trying to do with that Speed of Sound setting lmao but they are doing it like all wrong in usual gaijin fashion

[@hemendraravi4787]

probably lagg

[@DEFYN]

Youre inbetween the sound and their plane if they fly infront of you youl hear them on your side or behind you I get what theyre trying to do but man

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@DEFYN idk it may or may not have anything to do with them getting ddosed they recently posted abt ddos attacks (today)

[@paktahn]

@@hemendraravi4787 its not from ddos its from their shitty rushed codding just like the last major update when they fucked up the hud and you dint know how fast you were going or how high you were unless you looked at the gauges in the cockpit at this point its almost a guarantee that there will be a day after patch for ever major update that disables features in the update till they can fix it

[@kanelikainalo]

"Sounds of explosions, hits, cannon shots of ground vehicles and air defence guns have received more dynamics and sharpness as well as punch in the low frequency range. The sound velocity effect now also works for the sound of aircraft engines and cannons." It's intended change. Too bad it made spotting any air target absolutely impossible...

[@jaek_898]

R-13Ms do have better flare resistance.

[@DEFYN]

thanks

[@prestigexv2151]

@@DEFYN no problem Jengar

[@Mamiya645]

Most welcome addition to the Swedish tech tree and besides, we're players in the Swedish tech tree, give us an uncompetitive vehicle and we'll shoot it up in BR and repair cost like J35D, still sitting at 10.7 with no countermeasures and incredibly unreliable Rb24J. Another reason to get it - it'll be followed by Finnish F-18s, then Finnish F-35

[@c17bykenshi67]

it does the thing that it does so majestically, truly one of the best things at doing that thing

[@danmsmith21]

Definitely one of THE Migs in the entire game I'd say.

[@Andy_M.S.c]

outdated meme

[@danmsmith21]

@@Andy_M.S.c didn't ask

[@firefly9838]

@@danmsmith21 didn't NOT ask either😏

[@ChaseMcDude]

i dont't regret playing without sound at all. that sound bug must be horrible 😵‍💫

[@Trigg3rHippie]

psycho

[@octave3858]

Same here, I just listen to music, best way to stay sane when getting mad at the game

[@williammontgrain6544]

Thank you so much for your tutorial videos. Thanks to what I've learned from them, I was able to take down a Premium 9.0 Mig-21 who was murdering my team, in my 7.7 tech tree .50Cal Saber, and successfully energy trap 3 more players who were in faster jets later the same match.

[@ironic8340]

You can't energy trap energy machines what

[@zahnatom]

i'm very happy about this addition because i finally have a reason to play sweden again. mig 21s are just fucking amazing

[@H-cranky]

lets be honest, i think everyone is getting tired of the 39563th mig 21 being added

[@oceanforth21]

Except all the BIS’s are mid to bad. Honestly this one and the Russian one are just bad

[@tavolo2969]

I know most of you are not excited about this plane, but I am, as I only have grinded Sweden and I’m 10.7 now. I always wanted to fly a Fishbed, and the Finnish is truly a good way to play it imo

[@funkle2645]

I'm with you, I don't wanna buy a russian premium to get a mig.

[@oceanforth21]

Not at all. Germany has the only BIS, and it still isn’t that good. This plane has become garbage over the years being at 11.0 without the things everything else at 11.0 has

[@Fake_user092]

I prefer the bis-SAU. Great video though!! Keep up the good work!!

[@machadoross]

Why's that?

[@scootiepatootie7721]

@@machadoross it gets better r60s cuz Germany suffers

[@acyde125]

@@machadoross Leads to the 23MLA

[@nighthawk6755]

Ye the bis sau even in sim is goated

[@diss2473]

waiting for the day for gaijin to give the 21bis r60m...

[@prantz3052]

So ridiculous that we did not get any J35s… The J35XS is actually a unique plane and would have been an excellent addition.

[@Kminek246]

@@Kristiansand808 all we can is hope that they will add it. There is still one update before the end of the year

[@CruLisP]

Im a sweden main i can say its sad we didnt got a originally sweden machine we could ged j35 even viggen had more modificated versions even earlier grippen have space in this meta

[@thenoobpenguin_4566]

we got J35Xs but its premium

[@BigMoss_8522]

Literally one of the mig of all time

[@chaprandom8362]

The Finnish Airforce did test AIM-9Es on couple of experimental MIG-21s. Maybe we could see those in the future.

[@IHaevATajpo]

idk about you but id rather have an R60 than a AIM-9E, but you do you buddy!

[@jblakemore]

What BR?? cuz 9Es are borderline useless at any teir a plane with the 21 bis' performance would be at

[@thatguy7990]

@@IHaevATajpo lower br probably

[@Zuvaros]

Please no, never.

[@notafrog2040]

@@Zuvaroswhy?

[@lixlivlxxxiv714]

This is the most interesting vehicle in this update and that's because it has a cool camo and because I didn't know Finland purchased soviet equipment.

[@diss2473]

they SHOULD have a mig21f because they were operated, and it would fill the place of the borderline useless hunter clone with aim9bs

[@Tom-jw7ii]

Interestingly, Finland actually got MiG-21s before even the Soviets Union’s allies. The Soviets’ offered Finland a special deal on their latest fighter jet to improve their relations and increase their influence.

[@DirtyMardi]

@@Tom-jw7ii really tho, it was also because the soviets realized that Finnish Airforce consisted of a couple of dozen outdated vampires and gnats and didn’t have any means or intention on blocking US spy plane and possible bomber overflights. Then they sent a message to Finland that you will buy these new planes from us, and that’s what happened. It was an offer that couldn’t be refused. 🤌

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

I've been getting a "near miss" gunshot sound when someone locks a missile and fires at me.

[@iampurechaos]

this is truly the gaijin moment of all time

[@Greasyspleen]

When you're chasing somebody at the same high speed, you're catching his sound before it has time to dissipate. So it should sound very close.

[@DEFYN]

you can be on the left of someone and youl hear him on the left

[@0GTXR]

14:38 Listen carefully, the sound is unmodified other than the location being far back. I understand if it at least sounded different (dissipated), but it sounds like all they changed was the location of the sound source.

[@muziekjes6811]

Video suggestion: everyone knows 109's are great fighters, so show us how one rinces the skies with the best of them all: the Ki-109.

[@Andy_M.S.c]

tf is the comparison with a water gun that shoots sulphuric acid lmfao I love it

[@CatWarThunder]

only reason why im going to grind it: Short tech tree

[@2552legoboy]

7:50 Did you hear that? We almost heard Defyn laugh...

[@BADBADGER18]

Of all the mig 21s in the game this is one of them

[@endless2016]

this is truly one of the updates of all time

[@averagejoe6984]

I just watched the video of you soloing all those ww2 planes in an F-14 hella cool good job and keep up the good work

[@MausOfTheHouse]

I feel like this would have been an interesting grind if it weren't for it's placement in the tech tree. I've got the Viggen and grinding it as a development of the J-35D would have been a piece of cake. But Gayjin chose otherwise.

[@paktahn]

its not that bad there are only a few planes in front of it unlike the major nations but then again i have well over 500 vehicles spaded and not one penny spent on the game in 6+ years playing

[@prantz3052]

Imagine if we got unique Finnish J35s… that’s too much to ask for

[@thunderousavenger2382]

i dont think these are even going to be remotely or nearly as good as the A and D. only the dutch one would be remotely useful as it had countermeasures. even that not so much as j35D can dodge any missile in the game comfortably without loosing speed at all. A is the lightest j35 of all. D is the strongest power to weight j35. ik that more than likely was a sarcastic comment. but i cant help myself when it comes to the j35 zzz in fact any other j35 would probably be off far worse, doesnt matter here if it gets radar missiles or smth. the only j35 that is capable of keeping up with j7E and mirage 2000 is the 35A. all future j35 modifications past the A pretty much just keep getting heavier and heavier. making them more and more inferior. the 35d is just barely able to keep up with some jets in regards of raw turning already, simply due to the fact that its CoM is fucked from the better engine and the dumb 4th gearleg at the back. also making it compress more past 900kph kek.

[@prantz3052]

@@thunderousavenger2382 wrong the Finnish J35XS had countermeasure, irst, and R13Ms

[@thunderousavenger2382]

@@prantz3052 thats odd. i did some research from the wiki. not war thunder wiki, actual wiki. even countermeasure research etc. and according to the wiki the dutch j35 was the only one which ever had countermeasures. im not going to say ur wrong. i just think its weird.

[@prantz3052]

@@thunderousavenger2382 there are pictures of a J35XS in Finnland that’s on display that had R13s and countermeasures soooo

[@prantz3052]

@@thunderousavenger2382 countermeasures - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_35_Draken#/media/File%3ASaab_35FS_Draken_DK-223_per%C3%A4_Keski-Suomen_ilmailumuseo.JPG

[@bigoof1105]

One of the planes in the seedish tech tree.

[@goofyahhduck1388]

You should do more very low tier videos in my opinion because i feel like more new players would relate. Good video as always too.

[@DEFYN]

I've been spamming low tier the last weeks lol

[@ironic8340]

@@DEFYN Do some more 3.0 F4Us again

[@JustAnotherYTer]

Actually my favorite Mig 21 in the game, idk why.

[@thade6130]

Ur in crack

[@halolime117]

Damn a Perkele 21 Bis

[@diss2473]

6:24 im sorry did your r60 just lock onto a f14 thats 24 km away lmao

[@DEFYN]

Man, wt really makes sure it always locks onto your teammates huh

[@unoriginalplays120]

F14 engines hotter than the sun

[@EB-Ghost6]

DEFYNLY a good video, the ejaculation joke had me laughing way to hard, no pun intended

[@squidwardo7074]

Gaijin is clearly not running out of ideas

[@RB-Engineer]

The same problem i have with my F104 its my first super sonic jet in the tech tree and on top it flys like a rocket brick :D

[@Hxngmxn]

The thing got 6x R60Mk's now...

[@toocoolcaden5245]

"English is hard" - DEFYN Amen.

[@foxom5176]

The mig21 is a coffin with wings and I love it

[@moery2435]

How so?

[@Jaeger_89]

I think that sound bug was around before this patch. I remember this shit happening before and driving me nuts...

[@arckosX]

i liked when gaijin said "its gaijin time" and proceeded to gaijin all over the servers

[@kingghidorah8106]

This plane with bad armament is certified Swedish suffering moment

[@HeyBigChriss]

Something that needs to be added to the channel is the F4U1C or the F4U4

[@DEFYN]

If you ask again ima delete the footage and you get nothing :)

[@HeyBigChriss]

@@DEFYN my apologies man. Just excited to see my favorite WT creator review my favorite planes! Excited to see them. Thanks again man.

[@mason9483]

This is definitely a MiG21

[@ISt0leYaCheese]

nah a mig9 whit afterburner

[@moery2435]

nah a fast mig-3

[@loadingcheese9765]

literally one of the most of all time

[@flawfull_wolf]

And now it fights F-14s, F16s, and Mig-29s out the wazoo. Definitely thrown into the scrapyard too soon after it was introduced. But hey it gets radar missiles and R-60MKs I suppose... Against missiles that can be launched up to 40km away but you can't have everything can you?

[@DangerousSkyFel0n]

I only play wt to have fun in test drives now

[@Commenter495]

One of the planes ever

[@fennoman9241]

I wish they turned this into the Finnish MGBT variant, better RWR, better avionics (for sim), German 1000kg bomb and AIM-9's.

[@WeebLord69]

Nobody cares about finland

[@fennoman9241]

@@WeebLord69 thats your opinion and its still wrong.

[@isthissomesortofmeme8932]

Why would someone fly that over the viggen is beyond me but cool it was added I guess?

[@b_cryptidd]

this has to be one of the worst patches i have ever experienced, all my controls were broken, the sound is broken, questionable premiums, copy-paste additions, no new top tier jets or balance for top-tier. the only new thing was the flame tanks. good job gaijin

[@melc311]

I noticed the R-60 goes for flares even when the target is afterburning. Sometimes they go for missiles too. If I could take 6 r-13m1s if I would. Range is also much more important. I still think the Bis is more reliable than the 23-M. It feels more responsive and more flares

[@jblakemore]

R-24T would like to have a word

[@kingghidorah8106]

rate fighters tend to be more stiff because of retention, deltas are very responsive at the cost of energy loss

[@jonwinfield9193]

@@jblakemore the m only gets r23.

[@jblakemore]

@@jonwinfield9193 still better than R13m1s

[@Dinozavr210]

Lol Is it going to be a video title for all of the "new" aircraft?

[@Athen.J8660]

4:21 Into the thick of it?💀

[@oak9065]

R13m1 is like the second most flare resistant missile, after the aim9L, in the game I reckon

[@cutthroat795]

Nope, the R530E has flare resistance that is perhaps on par with the 9L

[@oak9065]

@@cutthroat795 then third lmao if they have the same level then this is the next level of flare resistance

[@oceanforth21]

It isn’t that flare resistant. Maybe on par with aim9g’s. The magic 2 is on par with or exceeds the L

[@oak9065]

@@oceanforth21 yeah they’re both good but I’ve seen r13m1 fly through flares but that’s from a nice far shot and obviously not like 20 but at least like 5 pops, aim9g feels like a big r60

[@Sebastian-yl7nq]

*Not gonna lie, this update has to be one of the most boring updates in the history of War Thunder* It's not a really bad update, as in, game balance breaking, "Drone Age" bad, it actually does a lot right: Swedish tree boost, a ton of needed AA, new Abrams and such ... but it's just so darn lackluster in terms of actually, genuine, new and unique vehicles. And there I was thinking I couldn't get any more copy+paste after Israel and China

[@urbancoyote4840]

Love the skin 😍😍

[@onelyone6976]

Now with Finnish aircraft also being added Gaijin could have added the Folland Gnat, although it really should have come many years ago but I guess it hasn’t come since it’s British, and gayjoob famously has a hatred for anything British

[@TheFinnishguy-f9r]

Dude I think war thunder needs to get better planes for the Finnish airplane line

[@iancarpenter5488]

I blows my mind that people complain about the lack of diversity in top tier vehicles. Like war thunder only puts real planes in game, the number of different combat aircraft globally has shrunk and has been shrinking for decades. Guess what's gonna happen when we get to fifth gens. There will only be 4 planes, F22, F35, Su-57, and J-20. Germany, Britain, Israel, Japan, Finland, Italy will all have the F35 as their only 5th gen. Its just the nature of the beast when talking about modern aircraft. Play props if you really want diversity in performance and planes.

[@kantina4765]

I doubt they’ll bother with 5th gen stuff. It would be ridiculously unbalanced (I mean really the su57 would be at such a major disadvantage) and the game play would be incredibly dull

[@iancarpenter5488]

@@kantina4765 As a long time war thunder player. this is exactly what people said about 4th gens 7 years ago. yet here we are.

[@kantina4765]

@@iancarpenter5488 yeah and they’re pretty boring to play. Unless they artificially gimp stealth fighters capabilities I just can’t see it being fun. Take off, lock your silly number of missiles, give your entire team the same information automatically so they can lock a different set of planes, land and then hope your team is the lucky one. I mean hell if they end up facing 4th gens and they don’t have realistic capabilities then a lot of them they will actually lose in dogfights due to spotting in air rb negating their advantage. Then there’s the issue of the f22 being so much more capable as a dog fighter than any of the others.. the su57 being a cargo cults idea of what a stealth fighter should be.. I just personally can’t see it being fun. Radar missiles already make top tier pretty dull. The way I see it.. fox 3s alone require an entirely new game mode.

[@kantina4765]

@@iancarpenter5488 war thunder shines (at least in air) as a gun fighting simulator, with a heavy emphasis on prop aircraft. Going past Korean War stuff is a mistake on the players part, it’s just not as fun.

[@iancarpenter5488]

@@kantina4765 I don't disagree, But gaijin is out to make money and new content is ultimatly what makes money. Gaijin could care less about game play. and for that reason 5th gens will be in game some day.

[@acyde125]

This was one of the most updates ever. Broke so many things and added nothing really of value (except the BT-42). If this is part 1 of the 10 year anniversary then im worried about part 2. Gib MiG-29 pls

[@stefanicatoiu386]

And they should add a new unique nation

[@sofafaalatomwebwe6728]

A game with no F-14s wow that's magical

[@jmirsp4z]

fun fact: finland was the first country to use the mig-21 outside of the soviet union... even before the warsaw pact countries

[@crazyjazz1583]

6 r60’s at 10.3, F-5C only has 2 worse missiles also at 10.3

[@kemalsorucuoglu3689]

What do you think about radar missiles in current meta

[@teiks886]

Do you have absolutely any tips on the F2G-1 because I am incapable of getting away from or killing anyone. It cant turn at all, cant even do a barrel roll half the time.

[@SuperEjizz]

i like mig21s so ill grind this one

[@shikikanaz4624]

can you do a video on the Q5L? china finally has a 'decent' Cas (belive every Q5 should get ccip and at least a pair of PL2)

[@starkbird9524]

In typical Gaijin fashion it has both a broken laser guidance pod and no pl2 missiles. Also no cm even though it had them historically :))

[@Meister-der-Prokrastination]

I played the German Mig-21bis SAU recently and it was a pain until i reached the R60MK and after that it was at least funny from time to time. But before that i had many times, where i Just thought: Fuck it and buy the modules.

[@gansior4744]

wait, I think Ive seen that one before

[@bryanandersonmt]

What do you mean you've seen this before it's brand new!

[@drachmadchen6001]

Will you touch back on this aircraft since it received radar missiles and r60mk's?

[@furinick]

How does one get good at aiming in general? I seriously suck at it in every game

[@casualspawnpeeking3680]

This is definitely a plane available for use in warthunder that's for sure

[@rastamoose]

How the bloody hell have you unlocked it that quickly

[@melc311]

Test drive from gaijoobles for KZbinrs

[@kubo7]

plane of all time

[@getbrutal4388]

I like flying my f5-e and fgr2 and all, but this battle rating is just not fun enough in 80% of games.. the best air games seem to take place around 7.0, 7.7, where the climbing is fast-ish but the fights last longer and have some epic moments. Top tier turns into bottom tier, most of your game time is spent in queue, map loading, climbing and positioning and almost nothing on the fighting part (if you track all of the minutes that you play in a session). One day they are gunna add aim-9ms, and then xs, and then amrams and the game will literally be climb for 10 sec, shoot, die or live and other team dies, game over in 30 sec.. I literally get more dogfighting out of DCS in ranked multiplayer servers than top tier war thunder now.

[@billrobert3226]

i dont have top tier but 10-11.3 is easy noob fest. the sweatiest players ive found are always in 3.0-5.7. due to the skill level i have, i can hardly compete in most games at that br (tho its where i play anyway). ive barely touched 7.0, i skipped rihht past it, so thanks for the suggestion, ill try it iut now! gonna be some stock grind for a while tho!

[@MenesesInc]

hay Defyn can you do another g. 91 r\3 vid? Im getting down tiered alot and don't know if its changed or not

[@slow2serious860]

I was thinking I was tripping balls and hearing things when playing jets today, turns out it's gayjin business as usual

[@AWACSHOUND]

ThE iMmErSiOn, SuCh FiNnISh, MuCh MiG

[@Pelikanenn]

Whats your graphics settings? game looks great.

[@imainhunter]

for me everytime someone crits an enemy, their crit sound always pop up, it's really annoying

[@YouGotTheMelvin]

I mean it is named the Mig21 BIS

[@samgeorge4798]

I'm pretty sure they only used r-13m not r-13m1.

[@theironwolf1871]

Didn't the Finns mod these planes with some unique mods irl but aren't in game

[@Kminek246]

So, what I got from this video is stay with JA37C. Understand

[@jadedketchup515]

Its a good jet the mig21 bis but why does it not have the r60ms when it is at 11.0

[@jblakemore]

Cuz when u get those you get the 0.3 BR bump to 11.3

[@danielmostert993]

The MiG 21 MF and SMT are pretty good at their br. The BIS and SAU not so much. This one will suffer same as them.

[@a10phoenix51]

nice

[@Mayor-McCheese]

The lack of all aspects for Russian top tiers is laughable at this point, literally premiums running around at 10.0 with all aspects

[@WeebLord69]

Yep , mld still has garbage r-60 at 11.3

[@Mayor-McCheese]

@@WeebLord69 mld has all aspect r60m’s

[@WeebLord69]

@@Mayor-McCheese it does not. İt has regular r-60.

[@Mayor-McCheese]

@@WeebLord69 it doesn’t!? That’s crazy I would’ve thought for sure the top tier Russian fighter would have the all aspects doesnt the 23m have the r60m’s

[@WeebLord69]

@@Mayor-McCheese yeah its the stupid decisions of gaijin.

[@Vapor_32]

Nice damage model on that A-10 😒

[@Marin3r101]

I'm not sure if you understand counter measures here Defyn. Chaff is a radar counter measure. Flares are an IR/heat seeker counter measure. You seem to use the terms interchangably. R13M would be radar only? so saying it works against flare should be normal its radar only. Not really sure though.

[@Wotplaya4]

R-13Ms are IR missiles, maybe that clears it up Hmm wait I see what you are confused about. Defyn was talking about how annoying it is to have to drop flares and chaff together, having to waste chaff on IR missiles when you only want to use flares and waste flares on SARH missiles when you only want to use the chaff.

[@thade6130]

Thus plane blows

[@Phapchamp]

W take. This update was like a filler episode.

[@Mayor-McCheese]

I honestly dont even understand how the smt can be at 10.3 with the same loadout just two less missiles

[@finn_mcmissile]

The 21bis has noticeably better acceleration and r13ms are worth it. I do think 10.3 is low tho.

[@_snep]

smt is less agile cuz of the additional fuel tank in the spine

[@Mayor-McCheese]

@@finn_mcmissile you’re insane if you think the smt should be at a higher br it’s only usable load out is 4 r60’s

[@finn_mcmissile]

@@Mayor-McCheese Its the best 10.3 in the game and its loadout is still decent. I don’t understand what your orginal point is?

[@Mayor-McCheese]

@@finn_mcmissile that if the smt is at 10.3 with r60’s then the bis should get r60m’s to make it at least usable at 11.0

[@sebastianfehr8408]

How do you already have it

[@idriswt7286]

The title is so sarcastic 💀😂

[@bobbyhahsner1272]

When I play the F-14 when I can I slave my missiles in 😂 it’s so funny to see peoples reactions in the chat 💀