Degtyarev Upgrades: DP27 vs DPM

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The Degtyarev DP (aka DP-27) was the subject of a bunch of experimentation during the 1930s, but none of the trialed modifications were actually adopted. It was only in 1944, after several years of combat experience, that the design was updated to correct a number of shortcomings. Specifically:
The recoil spring was moved away from the gas piston and up behind the bolt to prevent its overheating.
The traditional stock and grip safety were replaced by a pistol grip and manual safety.
The detachable bipod was replaced by a more permanently attached model.
The DPM was a much better-handling gun than the original DP, and it maintained the simple disassembly and economical manufacturing of the original. The pan magazines remained a complaint because of their awkward handling, but no easy change was available for that during the war.
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Enter to win this awesome Semiauto DPM! www.fanathem.com/forgottenweapons DEADLINE to ENTER is 10/25/2024 at 11:59 PM PST The full version of this video, including range footage and no giveaway segments, and in 4K resolution, is available at the History of Weapons & War app: forgottenweapons.vhx.tv/videos/dp-vs-dpm-4k

[@AussieDepresso]

To sad I'm Aussie and can't enter the giveaway lol. Would love to own this piece of beautiful history

[@gerry343]

What a remarkably silly restriction of not allowing full auto footage on KZbin.

[@EvilGuide-xv1pu]

Its allowed, people post full auto content all the time. The real issue is it can't be monetized.

[@choo_choo_]

Yeah it's dumb, but there really isn't any reason he can't post it. It would probably be demonetized, but that's hardly the end of the world, and hardly an excuse to not post. Just makes it seem more like a plug for the subscription while blaming YT like they're the ones forcing him to promote his streaming service. Don't get me wrong, I love the dude and his work (and I hate YT), just own up to it and say that the shooting is on the subscription as exclusive content instead of trying to hide it under the guise of "censorship" as if "The Man" won't let you post.

[@gerry343]

@@EvilGuide-xv1pu The fact that its demonetized just shows they don't really want channels to show it.

[@beargillium2369]

silly isn't quite the right word

[@EvilGuide-xv1pu]

@gerry343 That's true, but channels like brandon herrera and small arms solutions post full auto content with no issue. Seeing as those videos don't get taken down full auto isn't banned so there should be no issue showing it.

[@bramster-b9v]

WOW...... What a flow of words, thought at first that the wrong playback speed was set.

[@polymathart]

Wholesome Hawaiian shirt Ian smiling behind two Russian machine guns. Truly captures what Forgotten Weapons is all about.

[@rickymherbert2899]

I thought Ian was wearing the new "woke" USMC urban camoflague. 😅

[@VL125]

My first though, Ians warlord arc incomming

[@crazycucumis]

What a coincidence, was just reading about those puppies and Ian delivered! Thx!

[@ShaddySoldier]

"Im here behind a big pile of machine guns" God, i wish that were me.

[@evantemple4341]

Any weapon that you can wrap your hand easily around the receiver is just cool to me

[@BlueLightningHawk]

Didn't know it was dinnertime already.

[@tsorevitch2409]

Looks like swap of a stock assembly can make a full MG out of a semi-outo one :-)

[@ForgottenWeapons]

There is more to is than that, but you don't see it in this video.

[@andreascook6642]

People who think this have no business working on guns... You probably think you can make an SKS full auto by filing the firing pin

[@markogronfors3826]

Thanks Ian for the video. During the Winter and Continuation War, the Finns received the weapon as war booty in such large quantities (about 9,000 pcs.) that it replaced the Lahti-Saloranta M/26 rapid-fire rifle in front-line use due to its operational reliability. The weapon remained in use by the Defense Forces until the 1990s. Degtjarjova pehotnyi assault rifles are on display, for example, in the War Museum, where the assault rifle used by President Mauno Koivisto in the Continuation War is also on display. The gun had been hidden for a long time in Törn-Männistö's gun cache, where it was found in 1992 through a report by Arvo Männistö. Emma designation In Finland, the gun was named Emma because of the association created by the 1930s "Emma" hit and the drum cap that resembles a record. You can see that the cover of the drum magazine rotates when firing.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Yup, I've seen Koivisto's cached gun on Suomenlinna :)

[@Milo_1368]

Last time I was this early, we could get parts kits and ammo for these for under $200

[@mandrakevermilyea7488]

Ah yes, machine guns with breakfast. Very good.

[@arjnarersn01]

At least you can eat off both of them. No upgrades needed

[@Anino_Makata]

The real question was if Big Bad Joseph would let you eat, if you didn't meet your monthly quota of inflicted German casualties...

[@Mis73rRand0m]

That spring assembly reminds me of the AR's buffer tube. I could see a proper pistol grip and straight stock cludged on to that thing as a fun fantasy weapon.

[@102ndsmirnov7]

I always thought the difference was only in the stock. Interesting to see what the changes are.

[@coomman-e4j]

Enjoyed going back and watching your video on the DT. Would like to see it hip fired.

[@sectpig]

major degtyarev says hi from the zone!

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

Honestly, the DP27 is a really neat looking MG. The massive dinner plate magazine on the top just makes it stand out compared to other MGs used at the time.

[@romgl4513]

Unless you compare it to the Lewis MG, then it's kinda more of the same.

[@jalpat2272]

​@@romgl4513 and don't forget Lewis Big big pp cooling shroud.

[@lafeelabriel]

Rather steam punk if you ask me. And that's no bad thing really.

[@lafeelabriel]

@@romgl4513 Only on the outside though.

[@Anino_Makata]

The rotary magazine makes it stand out, but what really endeared me to the DP-27/DPM was how brutally simple it was under the hood and the distinctive flapper-lock mechanism.

[@Mike-ukr]

fun fact, enough of these are in use in Ukraine that milticam molle magazine pouches are commercially available

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Got a link? I'd like to get one of those... :)

[@Mike-ukr]

@@ForgottenWeapons I've sent you the link on your Instagram

[@sethodell7988]

The firing mechanism looks like an exact match of a pps43

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Most open bolt, full auto only fire control mechanisms are pretty similar.

[@sethodell7988]

@@ForgottenWeapons it always fascinated me how simple the mechanism is.

[@davidcarr7436]

I wonder if we're going to begin seeing historical documentaries of actual combat footage being "blurred" to hide automatic weapons fire?

[@1slippery2]

Very cool!

[@PlaXeZ]

LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED!

[@Randomly_Browsing]

Now where's the belt fed version RP-46?

[@MosoKaiser]

Already done: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKvRlYCsmMyDZ9k

[@ForgottenWeapons]

That video is coming next week.

[@Randomly_Browsing]

@@ForgottenWeapons hehe,ok

[@Mildcat743]

I feel like the hopper feed experiment went nowhere because you need mechanically well designed clips for it and the Mosin clip is distinctly not that.

[@owen1079]

Oh you *know* you look cool as hell sitting behind that table sir. Just need an ardbeg to sip on in the background lol

[@danilonakazone386]

I have a question about pan magazines: Does the rotation of the magazine affects recoil? Does it adds lateral movement due to the fact the whole thing is rotating after each shot?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

No, you can't tell that it's happening at all.

[@Anino_Makata]

Its a fairly long action with large mass parts, running at a very controllable cyclic rate. You really shouldn't expect the magazine to do much in terms of affecting recoil impulse, if at all.

[@lafeelabriel]

Honestly just that pistol grip is a large step in the right direction right off the bat, as is the different mount for the bipod.

[@danilonakazone386]

I love pan-magazines. I feel sad those were used in just few weapons, the Lewis gun is the only other that comes to my mind. Pan magazines are cool!

[@PitchBlackYeti]

Game logic dictates that the upgraded DP obviously has more DPM :)

[@zerotheero]

heh

[@DevinMoorhead]

Fricking early gang assemble

[@philmerrifield1163]

I am here unusually 😂😂

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

Present and accounted for, sir!

[@magoshighlands4074]

Damn, didn't think it was possible to be this early

[@patrickguest8491]

Here

[@nathanwood3860]

Here, sir.

[@mars-vr5jv]

Хороший пулемет , Спасибо за видео ❤❤❤

[@JoseHernandez-Mendez]

DIMG-27 (Degtyarev Infantry Machine Gun Model 1927)

[@redcat9436]

When will the WWII Soviet Small Arms book be coming out? I thought it was supposed to ship in September.

[@assassindude1224]

Here from the Fanathem email lol

[@Snicshavo]

Big pile of machineguns 🤤

[@jankusthegreat9233]

Good morning indeed

[@ultrablue2]

The movie Midway is available to watch for free on KZbin. The movie, which is based on historical events, features scenes of bombing and torpedoing various ships, aerial dog fights, anti-aircraft gunning, and in one scene, captured US Servicemen tossed overboard and drowned. And yes, many, many machine guns are fired, and mass loss of life depicted. There are ZERO restrictions on its viewing, and it’s but one movie involving guns firing and violence. KZbin, do you know just how ridiculous you are being, not letting a video detailing the history and function of a firearm is, when you have a movies about war, crime, and violence toward other humans on your platform?

[@csolivais1979]

That is the the only way to show machine guns firing, is to have it in an artistic setting, i.e.. movies, TV shows.

[@kutter_ttl6786]

​@@csolivais1979Is that why Garand Thumb's intros have been increasingly getting more theatrical? 🤔 The one he did for the OG 1911 was pretty damn incredible.

[@coreyortiz7149]

Tachankaaaaa!

[@ParrotTactical]

Is it possible to put the shooting in a separate video and accept that it will be demonetized? Guns need to stay on KZbin where people who don’t specifically seek them out still come across them. I understand if it would get you a channel strike or something, but if it’s just demonetization, please consider taking the hit.

[@ParrotTactical]

@@zehnerdygamer3329 Ian deserves all the success in the world, he’s the best. I just think the paywall might work better in the form of questions answered directly by him (kind of an access to a celebrity type thing) than limiting videos that might attract more people to the hobby.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I want to have a viable platform available when KZbin finally puts the last nail in gun content, and that requires building it now, not waiting. HOWW for the time being is paying more to our other 7 creators than KZbin, but it's in the red for me to support. So yeah, I want to build it up while balancing peoples' expectations of 4 free videos per week.

[@ParrotTactical]

@@ForgottenWeapons understood- thanks for all you do! Edit: of course hoping KZbin never does that, but appreciate the contingency planning as early as possible

[@contactacb]

​ @zehnerdygamer3329 (who has I've noticed has been deleted presumably for snark) that on the other less strict but free sites more and more full vids aren't being cross posted like they were, that's the issue with a hobby becoming a job - it's all about the $$$ - if you think about the income required to have a comfortable life, plus healthcare, 401k as well as all the travelling, weapons collecting and competition shooting & the production costs of good content that's a heck of a lot of cash to have to turnover in a month so you have to see it both ways

[@AsbestosMuffins]

the solution to loosing the bipod was to make it worse!

[@edwardhawkey5714]

Hey Ian, love the shirt. Are you on Hawaii????

[@Ben_not_10]

I am watching this on Playuer since KZbin hates full auto.

[@abudankmeme1477]

Wheres RP-46 video ?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Coming in a week.

[@abudankmeme1477]

@@ForgottenWeapons watching the variations video rn thanks will watch it too

[@fuatozturk2794]

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[@BishopGantry]

Is there any reason why pan magazines fell out of favour, wht are the drawbacks that youd give up that high capacity?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

They are really clumsy to carry. Basically everyone went to belts instead by the late 40s or early 50s.

[@MrNexor-cj8gs]

They started using belt fed.

[@Carmen-Isabella-Sandiego]

If the Soviets had the RP 46 belt fed variant in 1941 they would have had a serious competitor with the MG 34 and MG 42 a year later.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

On paper...in practice the 34 and 42 are both much better guns than the RP46.

[@Carmen-Isabella-Sandiego]

@@ForgottenWeapons, if I recall the RP 46 was just an attachment that attached to a DP 28 like the standard magazines. Perhaps if they could have used the DP 28 in both magazine fed and belt fed conversions that would have had some added benefit for certain situations.

[@RayleeRaven567]

yeah

[@Chiboza]

Both sides in Ukraine still use record player (mostly in rear, against the drones, mounted on technicals)

[@OlujaDoTokija]

Why is the range footage only available only on History of Weapons & War and not on Playeur like it was with previous range segments?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

An oversight on my part, which I am fixing now - sorry!

[@OlujaDoTokija]

@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks a ton for the quick response and fix!

[@ForgottenWeapons]

It's transcoding now; not sure how long it will take their server to finish that but it's set to be visible as soon as it's done processing.

[@andreweisen99]

I wonder why the Rp46 didn't get more attention

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I have a full video on the RP46 coming next week.

[@sorryociffer]

The Rooskie “Bren”….

[@DeltaFart95]

What would it take to make that magazine NJ compliant? 🤔 Lol kidding kidding

[@fan-a-them]

hahaha. I'm originally from NJ. To make it NJ compliant, you'd need to use a wooden version similar to the one Michael Keaton handed Will Ferrel in "The other guys"

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Talk to a NJ lawyer, but as far as I can tell, you could legally have a semiauto DP27 if it was the DP27 and not DPM (no pistol grip) and you welded on the booster - on the semiauto guns the muzzle cone is closed up to act as a booster and doesn't function as a flash hider. For magazines, if you put on an RP-46 belt-feed adapted you could run 10-round belt segments legally. How's that for an unintended consequence? Belt feed is okay but magazines aren't? :)

[@ForgottenWeapons]

smggunsstore.com/284-rp46/53-45-40-75-rp46-belt-feeder-attachment.html#/31-package_type-belt_feeder_kit_only

[@TheJamesthe13]

You know lotteries and Raffles are just another tax on the poor...

[@leewilkinson6372]

Tax isn't voluntary. Raffles and lotteries are.

[@Zfickoff]

Oooooooooh yea :3

[@deathvulture5974]

Dinner plate 28

[@greycatturtle7132]

Arthur Shelby gun

[@Anino_Makata]

I was about to comment. Them Titanic boys got an angry wake up call that night, being reminded that Arthur was a very capable soldier.

[@greycatturtle7132]

@@Anino_Makata yea, a shame they didn't include on their imfdb page

[@АндрейШмырев-ж3з]

ДПМ был избавлен от ,детских болезней, ДП - 27.🧐

[@bennibasisch8527]

Dude I‘m not gonna download an extra app with subscription just to see some guys shooting old soviet stuff. I can watch that as combat footage, unfortunately.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

You can also get it for $1/month through Patreon, FYI.

[@OlujaDoTokija]

@@ForgottenWeapons I'm subbed on Playeur but can't find the range footage there, unlike previous full auto range segments.

[@b.a.hwyndham893]

KZbin wins. Censorship wins. You're a mooroon

[@csolivais1979]

​@OlujaDoTokija that was a mistake on his part. Wil be there shortly, Ian said in another comment.

[@OlujaDoTokija]

@@csolivais1979 Yeah, he replied to me :)

[@JoshuaNicoll]

Last time I was this early Stalingrad was under seige

[@rodom303]

I’d sell my son’s kidney for one of these.

[@stevelewis7263]

How come KZbin allows other posts showing FULL AUTOMATIC weapons being fired, it smacks of DISCRIMINATION, SUE KZbin for MEGA-BUCKS.

[@ΣτελιοςΠεππας]

They're probably demonetized though.

[@leewilkinson6372]

You tube is a private entity and can do as it will. We forget this. Ian and some friends started their own platform where you can watch the content you tube don't allow..... but I'll bet it cost serious money to start it up. That said, you could start your own platform and make your own rules....

[@pitzo5555]

dinner plate for the W

[@RalphIvanDelaTonga]

30th place

[@dak4465]

P I Z Z A

[@sarath431]

No...... P I E

[@Jonny-tr9qo]

I hate giveaways they are scams knock it off Ian

[@AdamWest84]

Just out of curiosity, how is it a scam? Big gamble, yes, because the odds of winning are relatively small. However my understanding is that Ian has really given away every gun he's done a giveaway on. A scam would be saying that they'd give the gun away if enough people bought the collectibles, then claiming the goal wasn't reached and keeping the guns. I don't think that's what Ian does, he seems to be a pretty stand up guy.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

No, they are not. I totally understand if you don't want to participate, but I send the guns to the winners directly (well, to their FFLs) myself each month.

[@leewilkinson6372]

This content costs money to make. There aren't alot of adds on his videos, and he doesn't promote a bunch of questionable gun schools or junk peddlers in mid video. I think a raffle is a perfect idea, it's completely voluntary and keeps the channel running for us to enjoy.