Deltarune Chapter 3 - Secret Bossfight (Fan) (OLD)

[@CoreBolak]

P.S: I saw at least two comments regarding "DischargeX" action, so I'm gonna pin it down: This is a bug

[@Лохкакойто-ы9е]

2? 2?? *2??!!*

[@XflezeRBLX]

3?

[@Лохкакойто-ы9е]

Oh, oops, thought it said dischargeX supposed to do 2%, my bad.

[@Pepsimaaaaaan]

shit happens

[@AllExistenceItself]

No worries.

[@ohno209]

Not sure if it was intentional but I really like how the "history repeats" line fits with Lumia's fight mirroring Spamton's while the background is a carousel like Jevil's chamber

[@CoreBolak]

This was partially intentional x) Background is not carousel, but more like revolving auditorium

[@charcoaleater343]

And photographs allow you to experience history again

[@Oof-squared]

The song as well and the eye they look like undynes undying thing

[@underwazar7643]

@@CoreBolak The Auditorium Revolving

[@Lil-Nubert]

You mean it mirroring undyne?

[@morpheus0675]

This is just amazing. I like how this relates to the Secret Bosses' topics of being forgotten items and wishing freedom. In this case, someone who desires to take revenge on Kris for forgetting about them. I really like it.

[@squishranger]

The attack patterns here are legit, wonderful spin on my favorite soul mode. The way Lumia's eye glows like Undyne's is a nice touch too

[@Lit_Party6060]

It also has undyne’s theme

[@brandonprosper5193]

I LOVE that you can hear the world revolving and battle against a true hero in this at certain parts this is AMAZING

[@charcoaleater343]

Makes so much sense for a camera to have the green soul, the green soul by itself is frozen in place, needing an external source of protection, and cameras can freeze things, even if only on pictures. Also, that's a great idea on how the shadow mantle would work, i assumed that it would make you immune to certain attacks, but that is much better.

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

"It would be impossible for you to defeat them without it"

[@Scbalq]

​@kirbyfreakyt4695 Exactly, and the only way we can protect in Undertale is by undyne giving us a spear

[@starmaker75]

I have to said this is one of the most legit OC deltarune bonus bosses I have seen. The problem I have with some OC is while good or interesting are trying too hard or look like there from a different game. This looks like Toby would make. My only slighty problem is that the music doesn’t sound as bombastic compare to jevil and spamton, but still, it is fitting

[@CoreBolak]

Music is hard to make D:

[@Xandertank09]

The music has battle against a true hero motifs in it. Just a thing I noticed

[@ISWEARIDONTEATDRYWALL]

@@Xandertank09 in bigshot in the world revolving part you can hear power of neo in the background So i belive its a nice touch here lol

[@No.1RatedSalesman]

I actually thought it was jevil for a minute

[@natevalleystudios1086]

My personal view on the music is it's not as hyper as jevil or spamton since the boss isn't as insane (I might be horribly wrong about that) He's still insane, yeah. But he's not as hyper as jevil or as crazy as spamton

[@NachoTin]

For one of the few fan made secret bosses that actually got a full fight, this is amazing. The green soul in this is used so creatively. It isn't just diagonal, you move too. But the way the attack ls work around the green soul are so cool. Also when I sae the camera flash was like undyne's eye. That was just the coolest

[@Dedwiq]

Oh my god,this is amazing! the green soul was used in such a cool way! The advantage of Toby launching the game in chapters is that the fans show all their creativity to create fangames and incredible expectations!

[@markfaites]

DAMN THIS IS ACTUALLY COOL, you know, some people make their fanmade bosses either too mary suieish, too strong, too "abnormal for deltarune" like as if theyre from idk final fantasy games ffs but this actually is so good, canon looking edit: despite me not understanding how a magician themed item is relatable to kris(since the fountain is in their home literally), but the fact that lumia wanta to cry due to some grudge on kris, and the old photos flying away, these two aspects actually work well with the theme of being connected to kris for a long time.

[@OzzyNe0n]

They're a toy camera that Kris threw away. That's why they ask Kris if they "didn't like my photos?"

[@Pepsimaaaaaan]

not bad using a disposable camera as a secret boss. fits very well with the tossed item theming. Lumia certainly gives off heavy Paper Mario vibes; an aesthetic that could use a bit more love in any game with zany shenanigans. excellent work implementing an upgrade to the shield gimmick with more than just diagonal directions; aka turning the soul explosive via Susie and adding a 1 hit shield via Ralsei. 2 gripes however. first is the length of silence between the end and beginning of the song. that can easily be trimmed to sound seemless. 2nd is the Discharge percentages. group discharge does 8%, but individual discharges do 3% each. if everyone does a single discharge, it adds to 9%, making the group discharge worthless. can be solved by making individual ones 2% instead fantastic efforts. goin in my top 5 fan super bosses for chapter 3 pre release (not that i posted a list anywhere (yet))

[@danhatter6823]

Oh my god, the detail of the soul’s shield being the ShadowMantle instead of Undyne’s spear is so cool Edit: And I didn’t even notice how Lumia’s eye glows like Undyne the Undyings! So much effort was put into this and it shows

[@CoreBolak]

:)

[@skullface456]

​@@CoreBolakwhat would be lumias main weapon like jevils is the devils knife and spamtons is the pipis what is lumias

[@thefunny9]

theres also the battle agaisnt a true hero leitmotif in it

[@skullface456]

​@@CoreBolaklumia the undying

[@daniellejackson6543]

​​@@skullface456also each attack has what I would call a diamond attack. jevil's attack before the boisengirls attack, spamton with the heart attack lumia with his eye, mike from Mike's big showdown has one and my secret boss might fire a stream of them from his hand that follow the soul and you'd have to graze and wait to jump when a platform arrives. A theory I have is that each will have this attack relating to a part of their body. Jevil has a jack in the box head, and it does the diamond attack, spamton has a heart similar to mettaton neo and it shoots the same diamonds and my secret boss uses the hands for gravity flipping and the diamond attack and I think it could represent theming. Jevil thinks he can do anything. Spamton has a broken heart and relies on outside help to become truly free and not truly being so as he is desperate for help. My secret boss could bring his life into his own hands but chooses to hide the truth to keep himself safe.

[@No.1RatedSalesman]

Ya know, Mike boss battles are a dime a dozen, but this? This is the real deal in terms of believable boss battles made by fans

[@EndermanPierce]

What you did with the green soul mechanics is so unique, plus, I love all of the Undying references here too! The spritework and background is so fun too, with the carousal, 3d-aesthetic background!

[@unknown3238]

* What? Jevil is Evolving! * Jevil Evolved to Lumia

[@TSamuel808]

I like the Idea that this Shadow Crystal Holder is a thrown away Camera that wants to kill Kris, while also being like a "Hero" for other Darkness with similar Fates. Feeling like he's doing a favor for everyone, when in reality: He just lets his Rage Speak. [Similar to another Character...]

[@Quackervoltz]

Lumia uses they/them

[@wolfkitty42]

I love this so much! The background reminds me of rotating flip books, where you have images around a ring. When you spin it, the pictures form an animation! Either way I love this battle a lot.

[@kylestubbs8867]

I think the word you’re looking for is “Zoetrope”.

[@wolfkitty42]

@@kylestubbs8867 Thank you!

[@quadraxmoment4353]

This looks really dope, with the extra details i could actually see toby pull off something similiar in deltarune

[@The_Forgottens]

Dang bro, I really like jester bosses like J-evil with their fancy music.

[@Guy-Stein]

I really like this idea of battle with "Undyne" dodging style. And these leitmotifs are great.

[@Illette]

really creative way to combine bosses lumia is like a jevil personality character with spamton type looks and behavior sprinkled with a warrior fish from hit game Underpaid

[@InexistentBacon]

The fact Lumia is actually mad at Kris and has hate is unique. Jevil, just wants to play with them. Spamton, just wants Kris to join them and for Kris' SOUL. Mike (Not canon), wants them for fame, not to kill them.

[@lexcentrique2554]

Mike won't be the secret boss. He'd be a main boss if we were to trust the "secret boss always spits out the name of the next main boss" thing popularized by Jevil's announcement of Queen turning out to be true.

[@stavkous4963]

Spamton did say something about someone called “tenna”

[@pedrorosa9893]

He said in the event

[@InexistentBacon]

@@lexcentrique2554 I never said he was a secret boss and I do know of what you said. but ok

[@mr.monkey354]

​@@lexcentrique2554 except the sweepstakes kind of confirmed the tv is Tenna and Mike was a friend that Tenna did something to

[@imuncreative123]

Nice detail of the free move before the special attack, didn't realize until just now but both jevil and spamton have those (jevil's attack is slightly less free but if you can dodge ruddins attacks you can dodge that) so its likely that the rest of the secret bosses will too

[@CoreBolak]

It just made sense

[@micahcarter9645]

"HAHA COULDN'T CARE LESS" thats my friend whenever I come up with a comeback at an argument

[@darkecstaticcomment]

I actually wouldn't be disappointed if this were the real thing, it's THAT good.

[@ValueNetwork]

What wonderful shenanigans! I love how you used the theme of Darkness and foreshadowing of The roaring and fused it with the secret boss Abandonment theme. Spamton wanted to escape his pain, and ascend to [HEAVEN]. But Lumina wants you to feel their pain, and send you into Hell. They are willing to do anything so they won’t be forgotten by history. Also some of those attacks seem difficult! The star on a wire (is that a Reference to the unused faster version of Spamtons heart attack) Looked tough!

[@CoreBolak]

Star on a wire is not a reference, but it may look similar

[@thenvyg6658]

I really like how Original is your green soul, I have seen many fights using green soul adding only de diagonals. The thing I really like in the Lumia fight are these attacks: 1:48 2:03 (Here maybe you can add the TP/Glare Mechanic) 2:20 3:27 And the Magic that clear the screen when you get hit too

[@doctornether2885]

My Lumia doesn't deserve being forgotten with all their photos

[@StAr-K6b]

I like how Lumia has many references on his/her final battle, and is really cool! References: Jevil song reference Undyne the Undying (UNDERTALE) Asriel Dremmur (UNDERTALE, the reference is the final attack) Spamton NEO (The soul changing, Undyne the Undying/Normal Undyne has that too.) OMEGA FLOWEY/ProtoShop Flowey (When you defeat Lumia just using DISCHARGE/DischargeX ability) Some might not be references, so I think I did put something wrong, but is okay.

[@Rapid_Lube]

man I can only dream of being actually good at design like I'm able to take existing things and swap them around visually (bad example: DeltaSwap's Bossman and Qu337), but I can also turn swaps back into the original source material (not-so-bad example: the guy on r/DelRuneChapRewrUnofic who turned Scampton back into a salesman, Junkil back into a clown, and Nerdly back into a loser. I'm that guy)

[@MarioYoshi4723]

Plot twist: This is a developer in DR and this is beta footage of Chapter 3

[@Binngle-g4y]

I Love lumia's attacks, they're exactly how i expect Green soul attacks would be in an actual deltarune battle

[@daruki2976]

This is great! Amazing job! Also the end is sad, it really gives me emotions similar to these I felt during Spamton monologue after NEO fight, so good job, because Toby's writing is hard to imitate, but you did it perfectly!

[@snitchesarecoolyeee9453]

I unironically agree with what lumia is preaching here. Now i can take revenge on those whobe forgotten me because Martyrs go to heaven, and people like them go straight to hell!

[@gustavojosepereira9027]

uwa you managed to capture toby's battle animation style and "gameplay" exactly, can't wait for your next ideas

[@Crow-420]

I did not know that you could do diagonal shields! Wonderful Idea!

[@guesty6128]

Man i cant wait for toby to give us the biggest plot twist ever or a just even more epic moment

[@The_Sploinker]

I like how he's just instantly says kris to *DIE.*

[@bradymaraman9121]

I imagine the item you get for beating him violently is a item called the long sword and when you check it in the light world it’s actually a selfie stick. That or a camera that gives a bigger hit box for the curser to land for more damage when attacking

[@blue52611]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks the green soul would be used in the chapter 3 secret boss fight

[@emiliavalentino7226]

This is really amazing. This is not just the good old battles with the new soul stuff,there are other totally new things too! Like the filters covering the screen,the bouncing hits,the soul moving,and the fact that the shield parries more than just hits coming straight at you from 8 directions. Even if,i.must say,the all out attack was kind of underwelming.

[@버섯맛]

Lumia’s story was sad, he liked kris, but kris threw him. Lumia just wanted kris hug himself, and not alone in the dark

[@DarkMarxSoul]

This is insane, what an incredible evolution of Undyne's mechanics. Wow.

[@dragonashly3383]

lancer in the pocket would be just happy to hug him

[@LucyLavender1111]

Wait why do I wish this was canon XD It feels so good, amazing work!

[@jma0645]

I love how lumia calls himself (themself?) A martir at for people that might not know a martir is someone how died for someone else's sins usually used in a religious way The secret boss wanting heaven motif continuous truly AMAZING And you managed to make the super boring green soul interesting with lumias attacks

[@CoreBolak]

Had to brainstorm around green soul gimmick

[@darkecstaticcomment]

The music gave me so much nostalgiaa Wow this is a masterpiece!

[@BFBoyFriend]

I can’t wait someone made Deltarune fan-made a game ! 💖

[@elliecassar1881]

i shouldve commented this on the song but i noticed the world revolving and battle against a true hero letimof, makes sense because jevil is a secret boss and the green soul is used in the fight also battle against a true hero gives me the feeling of someone wanting to acomplish something, but they keep going to insane lengths to finally acomplish that thing like how undyne wants the 7th human soul or to break the barrier with determination lumia wants you to go to hell and is fighting you with crazy attacks to acomplish that edit: 7:53 omega flowey refrence?

[@CoreBolak]

Regarding reference: sorta

[@IDKWHYPIRATES]

I like how you can hear the freedom leitmotif and battle against a true hero

[@InexistentBacon]

WOAH, thisSSsS is a very well executed battle. It looksSssS like if it was official, too bad it isn't though. I would have loved to ssSsSee this in the actual game.

[@-hik]

Toby! Hear us! People tired waiting 3-5 chapters and doing by yourself things like this

[@Mr.Auternick_006]

This kind of video just makes me more excited to see chapter 3, 4 and 5

[@banana1820]

This is the best Deltarune/Undertale fanmade battle I've seen. Very reminiscent of Jevil (with how similar Lumia looks and with the rotating background) and Spamton (they appear as a small mini boss the first time, but you can unlock their secret form by completing some steps) Another thing to mention is that: 1st - The song is great, love the part where it turns into "Battle against a True Hero" 2nd - The little flare in the eye is a nice throwback to Undyne's in the genocide route.

[@leftybefty9493]

i love the attention of detail, the glowing eye, referencing Undyne the undyning

[@omegahaxors9-11]

Hot damn those dings are louder than a youtube ad that jumps you while you're max volume.

[@abdulraafihasnan4798]

this battle animation is insanely epic...if this is a playable battle...I'll just love it...still...best green soul battle animation

[@fizzyegg]

YOOOOO!!!! LUMIA FIGHT! I WAS SO HYPED

[@CoreBolak]

;)

[@aaronpetersen3210]

This almost feels official, especially the intro. Great job!

[@lunameriweather7693]

This is really cool! I’ve tested myself down a very chaotic rabbit hole but am not mad I can’t get out of it 😅

[@mageofshadow]

This is very impressive for the first fully developed fan made secret boss fight to come out(aside from Mike's Big Showdown), my only real criticism is with the track itself. I think it suffers from trying to replicate Battle Against A True Hero way too closely, which ends up holding it back from standing on its own merits. Big Shot had only some parts use Power of NEO and even then the leitmotif was altered enough to feel distinct.

[@Xmanta3]

Tbh I REALLY LIKE IT! The design, the attacks, the dialogue, the BACKGROUND, AND THE MUSIC!! feels really deltarune-like. Also like how it changes the attacks instead of the same boring shield usage. I had a similar idea for the different attacks.

[@duce.2805]

Definitely one of the better fan secret boss designs, nicely done!He actually looks alot like something from super paper mario.

[@arrudartlightsword3620]

I'm Brazilian and this boss... this music... everything is so nostalgic! in could vour this song because hours... no green I saw this video about 10 times ^^".... well could you make a secret bosses of the purple soul? I would REALLY like to KNOW how you would make the mechanics in these souls be well fun! It's a request that maybe you can do more.. I translated it into Brazilian Portuguese! Please!

[@Gust_Hex]

That's looks like official boss! Good job 👌

[@Ghosty2098]

If this was cannon then all secret bosses would have world revolving cameos

[@kylestubbs8867]

Spamton NEO kinda set a precedent for that.

[@vanillaofficial8398]

man i really feel bad for lumia tbh

[@LucasLukinGC]

I love the fact that Lumia laugh is a dog bark lol But great animation! I really liked how you used the green soul in battle congratulations

[@CoreBolak]

Actually Lumia's laugh is witch-like laugh x)

[@LucasLukinGC]

@@CoreBolak still looks like a dog XD

[@THEGREATPAPYRUSSHOW]

doing this guy's voice out loud is also pretty fun, if you're reading this core, keep doing what you're doing this is great

[@ultranova3598]

Like how u made the secret boss/world revolving motif go with battle agaisnt a true hero motif like how BIG SHOT goes with power of NEO motif.

[@survey_program]

love how this keeps in theme with the amusment ride motif the secret bosses have Jevil has a carousel, Spamton has a roller coaster, and here, Lumia has a zero gravity machine! (also love the detail of how the player looks like they are actually struggling to beat lumia unlike other secret boss animations)

[@CoreBolak]

When the creator struggles with their game, it's usually not a good sign😂

[@survey_program]

​​@@CoreBolakah don't worry, that's normal when you first fight secret bosses XD I died like 70 times to spamton neo. it's not really as hard as its made out to be, it's just that first exposure that can screw you up. overall the fight is really balanced, good job

[@Poseidon-SeaGod]

what I love is the final attack being a reference to hyper goner

[@Kalus_Heart607]

I’m not sure what the background is supposed to be - either those spinning moving picture things from the past (forgot the name) or a bunch of mirrors, like a funhouse of mirror - but I love it! Also, the Kindness shield idea was something I never would’ve guessed! I had a feeling it’d add eight directions, but I never would’ve thought of the shield and projectiles moving many different ways. Even that one rising segment was so well done! Awesome job! 💚

[@CoreBolak]

Background is supposed to be revolving auditorium x)

[@Kalus_Heart607]

@@CoreBolak Oh I see now. Guess I was under a grand illusion hehe. Still, pretty neet!

[@kylestubbs8867]

You’re thinking of a zoetrope.

[@DruidPC]

So happy to have helped make the music!! It turned out great!!!

[@TerraDreamurr]

I watched this project, for both encounters. While I didn't dislike it, I felt like it was pulled in too many directions at once. The dialogue feels like it deserved more thought into it, and Lumia lacks much character beyond "I hate kris". The sprite work doesn't feel very unique and feels hollow in terms of character and design. I don't have much to say about the music, as I haven't made any music before, but it could be greatly improved with catching or aiming for the energy of Deltarune's tracks (but I'm by no means saying you have to hold your standards to or near what toby makes). but! I do see potential in here for the ones involved, and I wholeheartedly encourage you all to continue exploring your creativity, and the areas you're strong in, to hone and perfect the craft ^^

[@DinoGoofHybridHero7531]

I have already thought of lyrics for this-

[@jhonnybigode6430]

This guy remember me Junkil, from chapter rewritten.

[@biggest_shot1997]

AMAZING!! I could never dream of attempting something as cool as this!! Great job and good luck with your channel!!

[@MarcusTheObjectShowFan]

this guy is secretly working with toby fox and you know it

[@ElectricBoogaloo-0]

Undyne the Undying will be proud of this.

[@victorflores-hernandez680]

Love how you combined Jevil’s theme with Undyne the Undying’s theme. Works so well!

[@extrocacity]

Unlike the new version, this actually feels like something Toby would make

[@MaxEvans-cc4fm]

I finally got the "shadow mantle" reference after talking to Seam in chapter 2

[@OlegFantik]

your secret boss concept looks VERY canon. this simple design, this music, I love everything about it! lately I'm starting to get the impression that fans will start making such unique and original characters for the deltarun that toby fox will have to take (or buy) permission to use these characters) I wonder if toby can go for that and arrange a "competition for best character design"? Or will he once again get out and be able to come up with something more ingenious?

[@skullface456]

It pisses me off to know that only the worst secret bosses are the most popular are while secret bosses like this aren't even known. Except for solis he deserves his popularity.

[@CoreBolak]

Not all popular super bosses are bad x3

[@Idkwhuttoputherenoeee]

The undyne and asriel for a post final attack is just pretty 𝕔𝕠𝕠𝕝

[@ilfrisk3300]

Это очень офигенный персонаж!! Прям ловится дельтарунский вайб, очень креативно сделано, с зелёной душой тяжело придумать что нибудь:)

[@DELTARUNEFAN1997]

SsSo… I REALLY like this… it’s a great concept and I like the idea but I just want to give a bit of feedback and ideas to make this fight extra GOOD and EXTREME 1:boss theme (I believe you are already improving and are aware of this so I will not speak of it) 2:the attacks themselves… they are too… similar if that makes sense… like Jevil and Spamton have really unique attacks… (like mainly projectiles and such) my favorite attacks is the star beam attack and the one with the lightning bolts bouncing on the thing… like that… just make attacks like that… maybe add more projectiles like put the yellow bolt in here and maybe an entirely new one! Or just other projectile types like just regular ones… I do like that you made bolts that took two hits to destroy… like that… 3: final attack… it’s too short not like saying it’s bad but it needs to be a bit longer in my opinion… it needs to have two parts and needs to be a bit longer… both jevils and spamtons final attacks have two parts. 4:dialogue… more dialogue… she doesn’t say much in the fight and needs to talk more… 5:give lumia in this fight a unique name… other than just “lumia” like: “LUMIA THE UNDYING” or something like that… 6:voice lines… you know what I’m talking about…and that’s it! I really like the concept and it’s really good! I hope you do a remaster in the future… I really like this! I don’t mean to cause harm or anything just giving feedback! Let me know what you think of thiSsS and good luck out there! Stay safe! AND SANE SANE!

[@DELTARUNEFAN1997]

Whenever i say more dialogue I mean by less “…” and more talk…

[@ITDEER]

these attack patterns make my brain implode, but in a good way

[@Peanutboi.]

ok this gives me the idea all the secret bosses how some sort of connection to kris in a way. edit: Even if its very minor

[@michellefrances6415]

just noticed the asgore bit with some of the song, and the roe and shoulder pads

[@spamton6325]

ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THIS PILE OF [smoke and mirrors] DOES MORE DAMAGE THEN [neo]!?!?

[@Groovysmoothies5]

Can’t believe you actually made an entire mod, this is so cool!

[@floofycupkim1197]

Tbh. I see lumina with spinel's voice for the paralel

[@floofycupkim1197]

Btw. I love how this goes in reverse undertale order

[@kylestubbs8867]

I could see that. Both were “thrown away” by the main protagonist. Though apart from Spinel having a hard-light body, the similarities end there.

[@iljoker4697]

In my opinion, toby should see many of these videos and hire the people who make these videos, with more help his work will be easier.

[@krazeproductions.]

That was amazing! The music, the visuals! That truly was a grand illusion! I honestly wish I could learn how to do stuff like that.

[@charismaentertainer1657]

1. It’s hilarious how this is implying lumia wasn’t actually transformed, they just made themselves look cooler 2. I was paying close attention to how discharge and discharge X works. If kris uses discharge X then everyone else also has to, causing a 8+. However I noticed doing it separately has 3+. So wouldn’t kris, Susie and ralsei doing discharge separately be more? (3+3+3 = 9+ = 3 separate discharges in 1 turn, while 1 dischargeX = 8+) This makes dischargeX pointless when you could do 3 separate ones in a single turn to get a better result.

[@CoreBolak]

Actually I was supposed to change that value, but I forgor and it's too late now D: Welp, at least this mistake won't be in the mod.

[@Vitya436]

If jevil somehow got more corrupt be like:

[@Channell598]

I did not now that the secret boss was a fan! What a surprise…

[@guffthebir72]

1:40 i was worried you wouldnt include the freedom themr. Thank you. 1:56 also true hero sounds great