"By the Fire We Carry": Cherokee Author Rebecca Nagle on the Ongoing Fight for Tribal Sovereignty

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We're joined by award-winning Cherokee writer and journalist Rebecca Nagle, whose new book, By the Fire We Carry: The Generations-Long Fight for Justice on Native Land, has just been released. By taking a look at the more than a century-long fight for tribal sovereignty in eastern Oklahoma, Nagle investigates the development and future of tribal law since the beginning of colonial relations between Indigenous peoples and European settlers, from the Trail of Tears to the "war on terror." "A lot of times we treat Native American history like this distant chapter and the legal terrain it created as some sort of siloed backwater of American law, but actually it's foundational," she says.
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[@pamriding2351]

I loved this guest she was so informative.

[@artstrology]

The Cherokee should have a seat in the house. So should several others. We should be proactively working to return the Black Hills, and dismantling the gross rock formation known as "Mt Rushmore". Those are tangible doable things. And they are correct. There is much to do.

[@bobsanborn2395]

Right-On, Art

[@nighthawk6281]

That’s dumb, no group should have special privileges

[@artstrology]

@@nighthawk6281 A sovereign Nation that was promised a seat by the President when they signed a treaty. We call it the highest law of the land, not special treatment.

[@tofuluvrr837]

Why?

[@tofuluvrr837]

​@artstrology yeah, a non-voting seat. A vanity seat. And it was just Cherokee, a small fraction of all the Native Americans tribes that operated and fought with one another throughout American history.

[@fannys941]

Indigenous people need their rights back!

[@jimhere1]

​@@mattdobbs-dr2rtahh look the face of Amerikkka shows itself

[@nighthawk6281]

They have rights, what they want are reparations

[@mattdobbs-dr2rt]

@@nighthawk6281 "they" have blonde and red hair now 🤔

[@mattdobbs-dr2rt]

@@fannys941 what about other nations that stole from each other? Once you try to correct the past there is no end in sight

[@SylvieTripier-j8s]

Rebecca Nagle is a wonderful And fine Eagle

[@noorpath9127]

indigenous people should be in charge of Natural resources.

[@luperamos7307]

And where are they? Does this lady look Indian to you?

[@noorpath9127]

@@luperamos7307 they are in their land that millions from all over the world are sharing and enjoying now.

[@craigbrowning9448]

​@@luperamos7307Certainly she's short the Headband and the Feather and the "Cigar Store" Indian speak.

[@ArleeStarr]

Some, like the Mandan, Hidatsa, and Arikara tribes, are getting rich from pumping oil on their reservations. They might agree.

[@luperamos7307]

​@@noorpath9127But this lady is clearly not Indian. And when you get to many reservations it's the same thing.

[@noorpath9127]

Indigenous people should be the one who has more authority in the government instead of the lobbies who are serving their ethnical countries of origine.

[@goodpanda6901]

shutup

[@Gemini19844]

This is so great to see Cherokee Nation represented on my favorite new program!!

[@noorpath9127]

indigenous people should have more power in the government.

[@FM-ln2sb]

Amazing that Tim Walz partly destroyed Tribal 'sovereignty' in MN. The Line 3, Enbridge's largest ever project and part of North America's longest pipeline,

[@kx7500]

We shouldn’t have a government

[@ArleeStarr]

@@FM-ln2sb The entire Great Lakes system is threatened by Enbridge's Line 5. Do the Harris Walz. One step forward, two steps back, spin in place until the AIPAC DJ stops the music. I know you already agreed, but here it is again... Vote against genocide and fascism! Stein/Ware 2024! Green Party for all other elected offices 2024!

[@mar25947]

@@kx7500 I like this, we should self govern but still support each other whereever possible.

[@nighthawk6281]

1 person 1 vote, no special privileges to any group.

[@MrSevillian]

Brilliant exposition by the author.

[@marlenefunk2137]

I lived in the U.S. 68 years and have now been retired in South American 13 years. The area in which I live is 72% indigenous. Outside of the towns and cities, you find all farms. We have fresh food every day, no pollution and great weather. Although we have a normally elected government, the native indigenous run this country. The government makes the laws. If the indigenous do not agree, the whole country comes to a standstill ... THE WHOLE COUNTRY. This country includes in its Constitution the rights of the land and the animals. I am proud to say that I have both Cree and Cherokee blood. I feel sure that the U.S. would be much better today with the indigenous ruling the U.S.. I see it around me every day. I live in a stress free environment where people still know the meaning of respect. North America will never be all that it could be because it needs the people who really care about the land. Not winning wars.

[@ricodelavega4511]

sounds ideal, and truly american. The US and Canada chose to eliminate as much as possible the indigenous. No other country in the Americas has 70% or higher fully european population like US & Canada. Argentina is 50% mestizo, and Brazil too. While these other countries in latin america repressed the indigenous, large sectors of their societies ultimately mixed with the indigenous.

[@KootFloris]

Which country, for it surely ain't all Latin American countries. In some genocide is still daily reality. And yes they are much better for nature, and everyone's health. As another commenter said: "The Cherokee should have a seat in the house. So should several others." That would be a great start.

[@oa5167]

This needs to be presented to all POLITICAL ASSEMBLIES and reminded of "deporting, collecting, immigrants, and any person of certain skin colors" to stop repeating these atrocities.

[@ellanina801]

On my wishlist. ✅

[@emiliobello2538]

If we get a new documentary about indigenous people This footage should be used

[@luperamos7307]

Why? She is not even Indian. Latin Americans would laugh at this. In Mexico she would be white.

[@jimhere1]

​@@luperamos7307she is. And who are you?

[@luperamos7307]

@@jimhere1 She is? I am Mexican. We are generally mestizo, which means a mix of European and indigenous. But we also have indigenous people that are real indigenous. This lady is less native than the standard Mexican.

[@robertskolimowski7049]

Fantastic guest, the tribes are so neglected😞 🕊✌️🙏

[@moodygirl609]

I love joy harjo's poetry and music. Will read this book by this very informed author.

[@paulgibby6932]

Great to see how the g*ocide (that continues) has brought about some reflection on our own indigenous peoples' injustice. This woman also has a lovely smile and a lot of information and history to share. Thanks for this show.

[@luperamos7307]

Does she look indigenous to you?.

[@greatestone4eva]

bless up

[@rattle-can-resto5893]

I need a beautiful Lakota woman. I’m a lonely Lakota warrior.

[@FrostRare]

What a radiant woman

[@dimatadore]

Native sovereignty is so important

[@luperamos7307]

Does this woman look native to you?

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[@Heavilymoderated]

It’s just going to be a sht show until we can get the so called authority in this country and around the world to a point where they can admit when they’re wrong, and try to learn from it. Instead, it’s more about what they can get away with.

[@rujackswing618]

Can you believe after all this history.. & all the Military Colleges Connected to the White House... America, is Supplying the Equipment to Repeat this History Over & Over Again After 2020 in Palestine... Have we Learned Nothing.. We Must Pay for Our Sins.. Love Self, Protect Life, Peace..!!!

[@Natasha_mam]

Good 👍

[@judsonmeraw6294]

We were all indigenous, even Europeans.

[@dl-zf9dj]

❤

[@LandAirWaterBUREAU]

Cherokee is a misnomer. A signatory "Indian". We are not " signatory Indians ". We did not, and do not call ourselves that. Please stop the Genocide.

[@fuckbankers]

Remember Wounded Knee.

[@carsi7282]

Many Native people had a field day with the CNN 'Something Else' meme 4 years ago. Very funny humour on a subject that is not funny at all. So glad Ms Nagle brought that up. Natives claims, rights and history must be front and center. I find it frustrating that the two-party system candidates only talk about reclaiming land for a group in west asia but ignore the Indigenous issues here. The Green party with Dr. Jill Stein and Dr. Butch Ware are the only party that address acknowledgement, reconciliation and reparations for Native issues.

[@LarryCohen188]

Can you please compile the list of all the authors and their books who have attended democracy now on your website.

[@LeeHunt-mu9nb]

Wasn't the Cherokee part of the Five Civilized Tribes?

[@alanwheeler1]

Yes

[@lbrown7164]

It will happen again see Palestine

[@eduvisionary]

Nagle's description of how Federal Indian law informs current legal policy towards immigrants, and others held under anti-terrorism laws, etc...I was struck by the similarity with Israel occupation in Palestine. No wonder the US empire has no compunction in arming and funding the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in flagrant defiance of international law. It's simply a continued application of US practices that have lasted for centuries.

[@tonyalloyd6010]

We refuse to be remove ….. JUSTICE FOR THE THE COPPER COLORED RACE… SEMINOLE BLACKFOOT 🪶

[@FM-ln2sb]

Amazing that Tim Walz partly destroyed Tribal 'sovereignty' in MN. The Line 3, Enbridge's largest ever project and part of North America's longest pipeline, zigzags nearly 350 miles across Minnesota and through more than 200 bodies of water. Construction on the project, a rerouting and expansion of an old pipeline, began last December.

[@ricodelavega4511]

did not know this. Thank you

[@Rebekkah9]

LIES ABOUT Walz, shame on U😤

[@Rebekkah9]

It was the Oil company that broke the law & continue with construction which should have been halted. It is on sovereign native land. Walz had nothing to do with this. Fool

[@stevenhanson6057]

“What’s the matter with that one?” “Flat tire.” “What about that one?” “I think it ran out of gas.”

[@NickG-p1h]

✊️👍❤️

[@PNortRyan]

Im Irish and always remember my granddad mr Ryan, little king in Gaelic…I always recall his books on American Indians, and he left behind many of them. In Ireland today we face discrimination, from our own government and their pals in the EU parliament. We are having migrants flooded into our country and given free homes and money and food and at the same time an average Irish family can’t afford a home and many Irish are living on the streets. Just recently kids school book was published with a cartoon of the stereotypical Irish family in a cottage and not wanting to mix with other cultures, which is bs and it has caused quite a stir and nobody knows who came up with the cartoon. They’re trying to erode our country and condition children to dislike their own heritage. Very strange times, I believe it was an Indian tribe that coined this behaviour as Wetiko, the mind virus.

[@brendasolano1126]

Amy, give air time to Jill Stain.

[@agh6250]

Can we just be honest and say this is a European woman

[@luperamos7307]

Exactly. That is what I said in my comment. I have no clue how these people can always claim that they are native when they are obviously not.

[@blkindians7974]

Lol... A WHOLE WHITE WOMAN..

[@ReadingComprehension8X]

@@luperamos7307it’s top tier mind control we’re under . The school system and entertainment has lied for years and still is. I.e. Killers of The Flower Moon

[@jackbrown8052]

If the Cherokee are seeking tribal sovereignty from the US shouldn't all tribes conquered by other tribes also have tribal sovereignty from the tribes that conquered them?

[@LM-ki5ll]

1. Tribal sovereignty is a guarantee of all federal recognized tribes 2. Each tribe had their own 1 to 1 relationship with the US 3. Watch the video and it explains this

[@jackbrown8052]

@@LM-ki5ll I'm not talking about each tribe's relationship with the US. I'm talking about each tribe's relationship with another tribe who conquered or took them over in some way. Tribes are demanding sovereignty from the US. So it seems fair if one tribe took over another tribe by force or assimilation the tribe taken over should also be able to get their freedom and sovereignty back from the tribe that took them over.

[@LM-ki5ll]

@@jackbrown8052 the tribes *have* sovereignty. Each tribe is its *own* tribal nation. There is no singular tribal government system all the nations are under. You aren't grasping the concepts and are trying to throw in something that has no standing. It does not matter that tribes precolonially were at war. Just like Germany or Britain or Spain have sovereignty today despite their own history of warring with each other. Look up the marshal trilogy. It is the basis of tribal sovereignty today.

[@jackbrown8052]

@@LM-ki5ll If you want to argue the Marshall Trilogy then Cherokee Nation v. Georgia (1831) would apply. In this case SCOTUS said "The Cherokees argued that they were a foreign nation and the laws of Georgia did not apply to them. The Court denied the injunction and went on to say that the Cherokees were not a foreign nation, but they were a ‘domestic dependent nation.’ The relationship between the tribes and the United States was like that of a ‘ward to a guardian.’ This case outlined the sovereign nature of tribes as not like states, but not as complete foreign nations either. Tribal sovereignty was limited by being within the boundaries of the United States, but that tribal sovereignty was inherent sovereignty, which means that it predates the United States. The responsibility that the federal government has to tribes takes root from this and the next of the famous Marshall Indian cases. That responsibility is called the ‘doctrine of federal trust responsibility.’ The idea was that in exchange for the taking of land from the tribes, the federal government would protect the tribes in the lands that they ended up with, and compensate them by providing basic necessities such as food, shelter, and human services to the tribes." This means that none of the tribes in the US can claim to be a sovereign nation.

[@cp3calinigga]

@@LM-ki5lllol so basically you’re hypocrite

[@5554132]

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[@johnimhoff6153]

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[@bazs2855]

12 days of Christmas is an old English tradition stemming from the dark ages. It’s has nothing to do with Hanukkah.

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[@pfflyer3381]

Christianity was the problem, get woke!

[@kennethsmart7674]

The Cherokee nation supports Trump and criticizes Elizabeth Warren on her native ancestral claim.

[@pfflyer3381]

5:23 we set the narrative, trail of tears. Nice and soft! Only crying,. In other places it called, -Death march"!

[@kellielaine5848]

Kennedy is the native American advocate, the ONE. You blocked him, Amy, and lost all credibility as a justice journalist.

[@La_Hoja_Verde]

Lmao

[@kellielaine5848]

@@La_Hoja_Verde you've not done your homework, tsk tsk

[@La_Hoja_Verde]

@@kellielaine5848 Dude ran a throwaway campaign and then endorsed Trump. It doesn't matter what he says. He's irrelevant.

[@greatestone4eva]

kennedy isnt even native. and he has no backbone he sought a job with both republican and democrat teams after losing out.

[@artstrology]

JFK is the one who ordered Lake Perfidy, and removed the Seneca so they could build a dam. Catholics have never been an ally for Native Peoples, they are the primary enemy. Biden placed Haaland in his admin, but she was listed as Catholic.

[@mattdobbs-dr2rt]

She speaks well for squaw... she from England actually?

[@jimhere1]

Reported for hate speech

[@steven2183]

Think the title of her book was inspired by the tiki torches in Charlottesville?

[@Curt-Gevert]

Buy her book and it will tell you everything you need to know. Pretty capitalistic if you ask me.