Lemon Hi Hat and Controller Review - E-drum Product Review - Electronic Hi Hats

[@demonicsweaters]

Hey all, the drum-less tracks library has been released! anthillrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/drum-less-tracks-library now you can download all of these songs without drums and play them for yourself!

[@TheAverageDrummer]

I'm using the 15" Lemon cymbal as a hihat. It doesn't bounce at all. And yes a large washer does help. I put mine on the bottom as I didn't use that angled part on mine.

[@maidenmopar]

I'm using a 13-in lemon and I don't notice that much bounce. I'm not using the bottom piece as you said you're not either. Maybe that bottom v-shaped pieces what's letting it bounce around so much I believe that's the case. Thanks for sharing

[@Chrisvanboven]

This is the solution, i do It the same way on my kit with the simple crash hi hat conversion

[@its_lucos]

how much bigger is the washer you're using if I may ask? Mine is bouncing quite a lot

[@TheAverageDrummer]

@@its_lucos It fills the same size as the insert.

[@EasyHeat]

Really liking my Lemon 13" 3 zone E-Cymbal as a ride, although I did have to open it up and switch the internal cabling to get it to function as a ride and not a crash. Definitely wanting to invest in a proper Lemon 15" ride, another 13" crash, and then a hi-hat setup. BTW, Thanks for your demos on these Lemon E-Cymbals, and other tutorials! They've really helped me out!

[@dbmdrums1105]

If its Justin reviewing ,then I dont even have to think twice before liking this video! Go Justin!

[@demonicsweaters]

Thank you my friend :)

[@OliverBurden-1019]

I have that exact same hi-hat clutch, I believe it is a sound percussion labs brand.

[@robloxianflexgod347]

just got my hi-hat controller and i see the bounce. I also would recommend a long clutch, if that's even possible to find so there is more headroom to tighten the large washer and clutch nut

[@blueman1470]

Thank you so much for explaining the clutch! I could not figure out what to do.

[@demonicsweaters]

Happy to help!

[@blueman1470]

@@demonicsweaters Now it won't thread anymore. lol

[@edwardk3]

Have you ever mixed the base sensor from the lemon with the hat part on the Roland?

[@headspace369]

Just use a washer on top to stop the bouncing

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Great review! The controller box is a pretty big draw for me at the price! It looks really solid like the Roland one as you say, especially compared to the Goedrum's weirdly shaped plastic-only one.

[@demonicsweaters]

The controller is great. I used it with a CY-8 at my last gig, problem solved!

[@itsprobablypossible6140]

@@demonicsweaters Thanks for review. That floppyness is just not acceptable from you've shown. I feel like the bounce could really affect technique (especially on half-time shuffle hihat stuff). So you used the cy-8 with the controller, and the cy-8 was firm in the closed postion? Can you use the hihat cymbal portion as a regular two-zone cymbal like a crash?

[@GUIDESPERSPECTIVE]

Maybe use cymbal felt sliced to fit under the washer and the clutch? @@itsprobablypossible6140

[@alanmends]

I would like to make a video showing what it's like inside the control.. I'm curious to know what it's like inside.. until today I haven't found anyone on KZbin showing what the lemon control is like

[@shawnrenaud2252]

Yes!

[@Materialgirllive]

I just bought the two piece version. And it comes with a clutch. But sadly it won't fit a standard DW or PDP hihat stand.

[@charlesmflores767]

For around $52, including shipping.

[@aaronmiller7587]

Would this be through Alibaba? Or a different seller?

[@tecnos-uk]

I just setup one of these Lemon controllers on my Alesis Command module and it works fine closing and opening the hi hat. The only issue I have and don't know if this is normal or not is the hi hat triggers if you release the pedal quickly. It's not an issue with the controller, the hi hat is triggered by the shock of the hi hat pedal when released, its fine when released softly.

[@demonicsweaters]

I'm sure it's just triggering from the vibration. You could try turning up your threshold setting (if the command has that) for the hi hat.

[@EasyHeat]

A2E conversion update: I got a crazy discount on a lightly used GoEdrum hi-hat controller on Reverb, and am attempting to temporarily make one of my rather beat up (but working) Roland CY-6 11" cymbals into a hi-hat. My TD-6V model hasn't got here yet and I'm almost positive the GoEdrum won't work with my Alesis Trigger I/O. Sooo we'll see... First impressions tho? I'm actually not too impressed w/ the build quality of the GoEdrum, and in hindsight I probably should of stuck w/ my gut and followed your advice. Ha! Hopefully once my TD-6V module arrives if it all works out. If not? It was around a $40 investment lesson learned I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ BTW Thanks soo much once again Justin! Your awesome content is seriously what's inspired me to embark on this whole A2E conversion adventure! 🤓✌🖖

[@demonicsweaters]

My pleasure man! Yeah, the Goedrum controllers don't seem very well built, but I will say mine is still going strong going on 3 years! I am using it on this video I just uploaded kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWLLhZqum9GEipY.

[@candymanlollipop8092]

Nice

[@GUIDESPERSPECTIVE]

What kind of module are you using in this video? Roland? I have an SPDX PRO and want to use an e hi hat with it. I have the foot controller but it would be a better feel to have the hats in the traditional setup. Did you have to do anything specific for compabtibility with the Module? Did it recokgnize this in module assignment as the VH-11? I was impressed that you could get foot splashes, That is one of the main things I miss that I don't have becuase I am using the FD-9 hat controller with my SPDX PRO. maybe there is a way to get that to trigger, but I am yet to see anything out there that answers these questions.

[@demonicsweaters]

This was a TD-6 in this video. I had no issues setting it up, but I already had it configured to work with the VH-11. I'm not sure about splashes on the SPDSX Pro. I've never personally used one.

[@martindusbiber2159]

Good morning Justin. do you know if this will work with DDrum modules? I have a DD5X and I am looking for a stand mount type controller that will work. Thank you for your help.

[@demonicsweaters]

I actually have no idea. I've never had any ddrum module. I'm not sure what their compatibility is.

[@user-su8sv1cz8i]

Thanks for the video. My son is learning drums and your videos have helped me to navigate electronic drums with him. I'm currently looking to upgrade his hi hat controller for Christmas and lemon controller is one of the contenders.... Wondering if you've had experience of the millennium MPS 850 hi hat controller V2? It's £35 plus postage online but wondering if it's as good as the lemon one? He'll be using it with Yamaha pcy135 cymbal. Thanks again

[@demonicsweaters]

If he's using a Yamaha kit, I would only buy a Yamaha hi hat. They work a bit differently than the others, and there will probably be compatibility issues with other brands.

[@davep3786]

just realized ...JUST FLIP OVER the roland type bottom attachment on the hihat clutch ...lol that should help :)

[@demonicsweaters]

I really don’t understand how that would help or even function.

[@its_lucos]

Do you think a metal cymbal stand washer (4cm) could help and make the hat sturdier?

[@atmosphericraven]

Where can I buy the anti-rotation cymbal holder locator positioner limiter for the hi-hat stand clutch at 3:53 ?

[@charlesmflores767]

They sell the hi hat controller alone now.

[@mikestein1024]

How much ?

[@Spagz]

Hey Justin! Another great review. Question for you. Is there a way to invert any hi hat controller? Obviously this wouldn’t work with ones that go on a hi hat stand. I want my hats to be open when I press down, and be closed when no pressure is on the pedal.

[@demonicsweaters]

You would have to open up the controller and reverse the wires.

[@Spagz]

@@demonicsweaters or reverse the wires on the cable?

[@donghwalee6703]

Thanks for the review! Seems like the VH-11 spring mechanism on the stopper got it just right to stop the floppiness, does the VH-11 clutch fit with the Lemon cymbal?

[@demonicsweaters]

no it won't

[@victordrummin1055]

It seems it's not working properly on Alesis nitro/surge module - plays only half-closed notes and after pressing the controller once it only plays close notes, lookin for why its happenig

[@RADERFPV]

Hi Justin, this video may be helpful - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXLcZXZ5fdCBl9U. He uses a shorter cymbal stopper instead of the long sleeve, allowing you to use the washers/locking rings up top like it's intended. I think you sort of need that to get the offset set correctly in some modules. Anyways, thought I'd share since I happened to come across it.

[@demonicsweaters]

Cool, though his looks just as bouncy haha. I might have come up with a solution though. Basically I removed all the top clutch hardware to let it be looser, not tighter. This allows the hi hat to move more freely with out the bounce of the rubber. I’m gonna fully test it soon.

[@RADERFPV]

@@demonicsweaters I thought it looked just as bouncy too. Hope your solution works out, that would be awesome.

[@DrumminJoe]

Hi I was wondering what module you’re using? I’m looking to buy a TD-17 and was wondering if you were using Roland, how did you calibrate the hihat without the Roland clutch that has the offset knob? Any help would be appreciated

[@demonicsweaters]

this video was a TD-6. But you can't do the offset adjustment, just select a different type of hi hat in the module.

[@berhtjotun9011]

Greetings from Hawaii, Justin!! Thank you for all the work you put into these videos; they have been very informative. I have to ask you think the td11or mk2pro would work, or should i avoid snakes and go for a separate trigger inputs? have had an alesis surge for a year and my hihat went wonky.. i ordered the lemon, 2 leg stand and yamaha pcy135.. but seems like the controller gets stuck on closed.. now looking at upgrading the module if this is the case. Any advice would be appreciated!!

[@demonicsweaters]

I think the TD-11 is a great little module for the price. A DM-10 could probably be coaxed into sounding good as well, haha. But out of the two, I'd go for the TD-11. Yamaha hi hats are generally not compatible with Alesis or Roland stuff FYI. Snakes or individual cables really matter very little to me.

[@berhtjotun9011]

Hey thanks a lot for replying and your advice! I am using ez drummer rather than on board sounds. my whole concern was thinking the snake cable is whats effing me up, so now i am concerned about ordering a new module with a snake and going through the same problem as with surge.. I am just watching your "td-6 in 2022" video and now im wondering if i could get away with that instead of the td-11. i just want my hi hat to work XD. mk11 is like 150 used, dm10 is 220. td-6 is about 100 and td-11 is around 230. ill order the td-6 right away if i can use the lemon with it.. Hey hope you are having a good day over there! Update: just saw that only has midi in/out.. dont know if i like that.. so i can afford any of the tds up to 11 i guess. just found out td-11 are the only ones with a usb port. so i have to choose td11, mk2, or dm10 to replace my surge module Update 2: Just found out the surge comes with a dm pedal and the lemon is a continuous variable controller., correct me if im wrong about that. mk2 comes with a real hat pedal which is more like what the lemon does..

[@JohnPyroDrums]

I saw you use the Roland TD6. I ask you if the vh11 works good with that TD6?

[@demonicsweaters]

The TD-6 and TD-8 both support the VH-11 believe it or not and it works great! There's not quite as many variations as on something like a TD-25, but still it's really good.

[@sub-jec-tiv]

Odd question… have you tried Lemon’s drum pads? They have a 10" pad for like $65 and a 12" snare. Curious if it’d be worth replacing the toms on my TD-17kvx.

[@demonicsweaters]

I have not tried them, no

[@sigimzk3641]

what is the song & hi hat at the opening electro song? ❤

[@demonicsweaters]

anthillrecordings.bandcamp.com/track/amityville

[@javidavi]

Great video, this is what I am planning to do! I've been thinking to order a 13" inch Lemon cymbal + Lemon hi-hat controller. Quick question, do all Lemon cymbals come with that metal piece (that you attached to the hi-hat clutch) or was this special because you order this as a "hi-hat" cymbal? Thanks!

[@demonicsweaters]

the other ones come with a standard spin stopper. The one for the hi hat is longer and has a bigger hole.

[@javidavi]

@@demonicsweaters Thanks for the info!

[@w.schubert]

Hi there! So this kind of hit-heat is not a "binary" kind, like only full open or full closet? Can you use like half opened and other ways? The controller "feels" it and send data to the main drum controller to generate the mid sound? How to link one controller to another? Tks from Brazil.

[@demonicsweaters]

Yes, it's a variable hi hat controller. I'm not sure what you mean by linking controllers.

[@w.schubert]

​@@demonicsweaters Huum, let's say, I have a Aroma Electric Drum, which have his own "controller" and it can receive data from my "binary" hit-hat. I think I can't just plug yours hit-hat in my drums, because it will not work, I understand the controller (mid generator) must understand the variance in this hit-hat and play a proper song. I saw in your video a controller, what I think is what interpretes the hit-hat, but where do you plug this? Or maybe this hit-hat only works on specifics brands, models, etc? Tks again!

[@JAXNRmusic]

hi, thank you for the demo, what happened to your alesis module? i have a dm10 module and wanted to know if this lemon hi hat controller works with my module, but it seems you changed to roland!

[@demonicsweaters]

I'm not sure, I know the Nitro hi hat is weird, but not too sure about the DM-10.

[@towny36]

Works on my DM10 perfectly

[@berhtjotun9011]

@@towny36 hey which dm10 is that, if you dont mind sharing?

[@Aldertonartco]

Hey man, I like your videos. Do you have an alesis nitro mesh too or is itsomeone else I have seen? I am asking because I would like to use this lemon hi hat (maybe just the controller I dunno, obviously I will buy both but may not use the pad. I dunno yet!) with my alesis DM10 and dont know if it is compatible. I know the VH11 is but not sure about this. Can you help at all? or are you using a roland module too?

[@Aldertonartco]

I just saw the Ro from the top of the module! you are good drummer tho, I think I must be confusing you with someelse with an alesis nitro! I dunno. confused....

[@demonicsweaters]

Nitro hi hats are weird, it most likely won't work. Also, there's no real reason to upgrade the hi hat on a nitro, it won't change how it sounds or plays. The nitro module is only capable of open/half-open/closed sounds.

[@timlight1021]

Got the cymbal and controller yesterday. I used my existing Pearl clutch and put the metal washer which usually sits on the cup directly under the cymbal and tightened, I haven't used the shaped bit provided. The wide washer stabilises the flexible centre of the cymbal and there's no wobble, plus my clutch is tight enough to prevent spin. One question - I got a black rubber plug type thing in the box which seems surplus to requirements, maybe a transit thing?

[@demonicsweaters]

Nice. Yeah I got one of the black spin stoppers too. It seems to be extra.

[@jmb92555]

I got one of those also. I have no clue what it is for.

[@jmb92555]

@@demonicsweaters He's talking about something else. It's a cap, similar to the large end caps for drum racks to close up the open hole... make it look better or whatever. But this piece is soft rubber and very small... maybe 1/2"

[@DrumminJoe]

Please tell me what model of Pearl hihat stand you’re using. This sounds great that you’ve had better results. Thanks!

[@nerdtronix3653]

They are selling the controller seperate now.

[@norleonor5733]

question does this function like a variable continuous hihat? something that gets the sound when the hihat is close, slightly open and fully open?

[@demonicsweaters]

it depends on your drum module, the controller has the ability yes

[@nelsondrummer18]

Is there any solution to this problem? It's just that I'm having the same.

[@demonicsweaters]

I'm gonna try some stuff this week

[@nelsondrummer18]

Hi, any news about hi-hat? I tried putting some sponges between the cluth and the cymbal, but it didn't improve.

[@maidenmopar]

I use a lemon for my hi-hat without the anti-spin V shape piece and it doesn't seem to bounce as much. If you get everything tight on your hi-hat rod and shaft and doesn't seem to spend hardly at all anyway.

[@maidenmopar]

Spin***

[@joshwebster1100]

Will these cymbals work with Fonner FEF-400

[@demonicsweaters]

Fonner?

[@joshwebster1100]

@@demonicsweaters Donner DED-400 Sorry bout that

[@shawnrenaud2252]

Justin, it seems like you were working two zones on the Lemon HH. Is that correct?

[@demonicsweaters]

yeah, it's two zone. Sorry I forgot to mention that!

[@normnashtynash8815]

Hi - I have an Alesis top and bottom Hi Hats. Can I just buy the Lemon Controller and use my existing Alesis Top Hi Hat?

[@demonicsweaters]

I'm not sure, you'll need to research the details of your module

[@eja155]

what kind of hi hat stand did you use for lemon hi hat controller and is there a video

[@demonicsweaters]

This one is a Tama Stagemaster

[@Sianpii96]

Will it work with Alesis Dm 10 module?

[@demonicsweaters]

I don't know

[@erikdravn]

Anyone know if this will work with an Alesis DM5 module? (Anyone know a hi hat controler that will?)

[@demonicsweaters]

I'm not sure

[@JimiMckeever]

I had picked up the Lemon Controller and been having issues of misses and the barking not registering correctly. I am trying this on a Simmons SD1200 and have had no issues with Simmons included hi-hat pedal. Has anyone had issues with some hi-hat stands and no issues with others.

[@demonicsweaters]

Hmm, I'm not sure. My guess it has something to do with the Simmons module.

[@montageone]

Does this work with the Avatar HXW PD705?

[@demonicsweaters]

I doubt it

[@NicoLorcaFigueroa]

can i use this in my Avatar sd 201-2 ???

[@demonicsweaters]

I'm not sure, I wouldn't count on it

[@beginnerdrummer43]

Hello, It's works with the Alesis crimson 2 ? Thank you for review :)

[@demonicsweaters]

I'm not sure

[@beginnerdrummer43]

@@demonicsweaters Its nice kit but I'm also can't find correct information for crimson :/ Anyway thank you for quick answer :)

[@CS-ms9td]

Would this work with simmons titan 50?

[@demonicsweaters]

probably, but I never tried it.

[@drgonzlegnd]

the vh11 is the trigger setting your supposed to use

[@Dadedrums]

Everyone is talking about this Lemon thingy things lately in the edrum community... I migjt give them a try but I'm lazy to do so because I've heard that you usually need to fix some wiring issues just before the first play.

[@demonicsweaters]

I’ve never had to rewire any of mine

[@TheAverageDrummer]

It depends on the module. It's an easy job. I just bought 3 more and will realese a video shortly.

[@javidavi]

Sir, I just got the same controller + hi-hat. Which hi-hat clutch is that one? The one that came with my kit is too short :(

[@demonicsweaters]

I think mine here is a Tama, but it also could be a Gibraltar.

[@javidavi]

@@demonicsweaters thanks!

[@CrossfireGamingNetwork]

I wonder could i use the roland hi hat with the controller instead

[@demonicsweaters]

Yes you can, It’s two separate inputs, makes no difference.

[@CrossfireGamingNetwork]

@@demonicsweaters so will the vh10 work with this.

[@itsprobablypossible6140]

I'm using this lemon cymbal controller with a Cy-6. How do I stop the hihat from spinning?

[@demonicsweaters]

You have to use the included hi hat clutch spin stopper piece that comes with the Lemon hi hat

[@itsprobablypossible6140]

@@demonicsweaters Thanks. I bought just the motion controller. I was hoping I could rig a cy-6 with the controller and standard hihat hardware/stand. You seem to have a lot of experience tinkering with this stuff, which I appreciate so much. Do you have any advice on approach if I don’t have the lemon hihat and just the motion sensor?

[@yaroslavleshchukh]

Hi there ! Does it work with Alesis Surge kit?

[@demonicsweaters]

Not sure, but I wouldn't try it. No reason to change the hi hats on that module, it only supports a very simple hi hat design, and nothing will work better than the original.

[@yaroslavleshchukh]

@@demonicsweatersallrighty!!! Thanks 👍

[@slimbroco572]

Does the lemon crash n ride cymbal work on a alesis nitro mesh?

[@demonicsweaters]

yes, but they will only be single zone

[@slimbroco572]

@@demonicsweaters thats ok. I plan on upgrading my set someday but in mean time I'd like something more realistic then the cymbals on the alesis. Plus I play hard at times so its nice to have extras. Keep on bringing us great uploads!

[@demonicsweaters]

@@slimbroco572 glad to help :)

[@niccolandau9821]

I’m wondering could this be used with an Alesis Nitro mesh kit?

[@demonicsweaters]

Probably not, the Nitro Hi Hats are weird, and don't seem to play well with others. Even if you did, it won't improve it's response at all. The suckiness of the Nitro hi hats are due to the module, not the controller.

[@TheAverageDrummer]

Yes you can. I'm. Using mine on the alesis sample rack which is basicly the same. HOWEVER as others have mentioned you won't have full usability. I have bell and edge but no choke for instance on ride and crashes and only closed and open on hihat, (no half open). Still does a good job though.

[@SOR2RO]

@@TheAverageDrummer awesome feedback thanks 👍so no half open at all? are you able to get a splash? or a chik as we call it down here?

[@Melissa05121992]

Lemon is great and affordable 👍🏻

[@esneidermartinez202]

Hi! Where can I buy these products?

[@demonicsweaters]

Alibaba

[@conair1625]

Meh, I'd better buy an used VH-11 / VH-10 from ebay or reverb

[@demonicsweaters]

The bounciness really is distracting. I'm not switching out my VH-11s yet!

[@Missile_Command]

What is an ok price for them used?

[@demonicsweaters]

@@Missile_Command Hmm, $75? If it's both the controller and the pad

[@conair1625]

@@Missile_Command USD 150-250 for an used roland hi-hat

[@Idolikethis]

That's kind of the wrong name 😅 When you buy a lemon it might be an actual woman but if you buy a lemon and it's a prime machine or electronic device that's a little bit much

[@jonboydelivers1097]

Would the controller work on let’s say a TC or PC Pintech cymbal?

[@demonicsweaters]

Yeah it should, I use one with a goedrum controller and it works. I’ll test it next time I’m at my studio