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@montewolf35703 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN! Longer you wait longer you work for it the better it feels when you get it. When I prospected for my Club it was long time over one year I had to put in lot of work. Thing is that my Dad was one of the founding members and he didn't want anyone to say my Patch was given to me that I have earned it
@joejoeaz473 жыл бұрын
Bro have you seen Mitch smiley from hard intentions??
@mcdgtodd2 жыл бұрын
NEW #GHOSTIN #BOOZEFIGHTERS MC Love your channel, great content!
@IvicaKajic Жыл бұрын
You never earned your patch, you bought it from your family You got your Nomad rocker coz you were in the inner sanctum. And you couldn't keep up. You put in work for the Crips and thought that would be enough to transition into the MC life. It doesn't work that way my brother. And now you're making money on something you have limited knowledge on
@Lucky..B2 ай бұрын
👍
@2Tall03XX3 жыл бұрын
Never earned a 1% patch. The closest I’ve been to being a 1%er is a United States Marine. I’ve hung around with my share of 1%ers, there’s a mutual respect between vets and 1%ers.
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Def much respect
@fuktheagenda3 жыл бұрын
🙏🏻💯
@anraegodley-cooper63213 жыл бұрын
SEMPER FI MARINE
@2Tall03XX3 жыл бұрын
@@anraegodley-cooper6321 SFMF
@PetraDarklander2 жыл бұрын
I think Combat Vets are even more rare than a service member. Def proud to be one.
@JohnSmith-uv4ox2 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN, southern Missouri. Honestly, for me, the patches that meant the most to me were my combat patches. When I volunteered to go to war and went. Did it twice in two wars. After 911 only 1% of Americans joined and went to war. Proud to say I did. Once in a lifetime type a thing. I've walked tall in the worst streets in the world, dealin death and ready to die with my brothers. It's something I miss terribly. The brotherhood of suffering and giving your all, day and night. Knowing death is standing there waiting for you to join him. My combat patches, mean a lot to me. I earned them, I had to do real stuff for them. SACRIFICED, so much for them. Anyway, you asked, thats my answer. Much love. -Traveling man, Summerville ldg. 234
@rayw.cunningham8643 Жыл бұрын
@@MGCOHN the only ones that really understand this are those that have been there and done that. Did not collect any T shirts for it either. What branch of service you served in is not a real factor. We are all brothers and sisters from other mothers. We will stand together and have each others backs no questions asked. I am retired Army and will stand next to anyone from another branch of service. The sacrifices the all of us have made for this country, some will never understand, or be able to comprehend what we have been put through. This is how I see life now after being retired for over 20 years.
@notyourbusiness49613 жыл бұрын
I can tell you one thing when I got that prospect patch with the bottom rocker I was smiling all night it was the best feeling in the world
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Yes it is
@lincolnmarklt6 ай бұрын
Sad life
@dylanmagdalin64505 ай бұрын
@@lincolnmarklt You'd prefer riding on the back
@Sycoformallyargo2 ай бұрын
What about when u got that full rag?
@SQUID_Road_Glide Жыл бұрын
Legit! Your transparency always comes through. Much respect. ET1(SS/SW/MTS) US Navy, Ret.
@DemonsRow Жыл бұрын
Much respect thank you for your service
@customcal12 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It’s so cool to hear it from somebody who’s lived the life and earned everything. I’m glad you keep it real. I’ve learned a lot by watching you lately. Thank you.
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@nankypooh6553 жыл бұрын
Good video. This is a life lesson that everybody needs to learn, and, hopefully, they won't have to earn it the hard way. It doesn't matter if you're prospecting for a MC, looking for a promotion in your job, or whatever. You want something that badly you put in the work and you EARN it! NOTHING, and I meanNOTHING is going to just be handed to you. As I've said before, nobody joins the army as a four star general. Once again, good video. Hope the month of December is a good one for you, your family, your friends, and your loved ones. Respect.
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Same to you
@HoboBob2 жыл бұрын
You were family and when leaders see something more than just a number they test you more. It's an honor that you were tested that way.
@jesseward85753 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN BROTHER Loved the video definitely shedding light on the culture and making sure people ain’t going the wrong way to get there patches. Cause I know I learned a lot of things that I didn’t know about the culture and it’s really helping out a lot of people to do the right way so they ain’t caught up in a bad situation keep doing you brother much love and respect brother.
@hatersinc.3 жыл бұрын
I think the Prospect patch is hard to get because if they don’t think you belong you would even get that far.
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Very true
@MudFlap1ersgarage13 жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s hardest to keep because even as a brother your still a prospect
@erikahood98263 жыл бұрын
That is a good point. And they sure make u work for that first patch.
@danielsoucy66887 ай бұрын
YES and leaving your EGO and judgement at the door will help greatly!👍
@dwarflord4203 жыл бұрын
From my perspective just being asked to prospect is an immense honor. As for any other patches that could be earned all things in their proper time. #Ghostin
@PushaMCest3 жыл бұрын
I have all the respect for the jewelry wearer's but I feel the "lifers" patch is harder to get that takes a certain amount of time and dedication oppose to in some cases a single act
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Def is
@sigmundhightower1766 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your honest content.
@4evervigilant83 жыл бұрын
I missed this past weekend and looking forward to your vids.
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
You missed vids? How could you? Lol much love
@4evervigilant83 жыл бұрын
@@SoseTheGhost You know how it is, Family first.
@josephrash16802 жыл бұрын
Love this channel man. It's help me out recently with some gentlemen. I did what you told me I took my hand out of my glove took my sunglasses off and shook their hands very respectful. We had a beer together and went our separate ways. It was a good day
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Thats awesome brother
@daapgaming3 жыл бұрын
Things are always better earned then just given, respect to you bro,
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Much respect bro
@mikeymike77252 жыл бұрын
I'm not in a club or any organization or the military. It seems to me a special thing getting a patch or being made is something more. Honor and Respect
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Def true
@corycallaghan89382 жыл бұрын
Getting a side rocker from another charter cuz not only did you have to put the work in for your own crew but you have that love and respect from brothers that aren’t always with you and around you
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Followthis page yall this is the riding page!
@darkcorneroftheworld3 жыл бұрын
Memorial patches! Respecting the ones who made the ultimate sacrifice. Those are very important ones. As for the ones you earn, this is a tough question.
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Yes great one
@tychamp5841 Жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN Love your work man. Northeast PA here 🤘
@GS_Johnny_ADV3 жыл бұрын
#ghostin from SWFL, as a fan of this channel, I love to hear your personal stories. Not a 1% guy but have ML&R for them and wish I would have known more about them when younger.
@theregularguy75727 ай бұрын
#ghostin from swfl aswell
@debrasfrugallife37033 жыл бұрын
Good chat hun . Your right most would take it on first day . Those be the ones you wouldn't want. Have a blessed day 💖
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Much love hun
@gangsterviclas69323 жыл бұрын
Always good shit brother
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Much love my brother
@danielsoucy66887 ай бұрын
Having value will always make a difference!👍
@Ragnar215 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I’m doing the hang around process with a Club right now prospect in October starting the hard work is just honestly gaining respect from all your club members up to the point you get patched in and then you call them your brothers.
@jackiegresham21378 ай бұрын
True talk don't stop!
@felipethirteen2 жыл бұрын
This is more than truth, this is wisdom. If you didn't earn your bones you don't deserve them.
@Mikeball3 жыл бұрын
This is amazing! I love hearing the stories! Love you brother❤️ #GHOSTIN | #WeOutside | #WeBusy
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Love u bro
@scottn7cy2 жыл бұрын
Respect for your achievement. Anything of value is earned and not given.
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Thanks scotty
@code19733 жыл бұрын
Great show brother hope all is wel💪🙏been coaching kids and working on some youth projects.Been around the 1%"s my uncle was mom at one time of big 4 club all of best friends are 1%'s Cuts are recieved to quick.My big bro prospects 47 weeks that's after hang around year before.There should be more time to earn it and respect it Alot of guys worked hard for that diamond or even for an mc cut.Kids need to see the journey the risks rewards.GOD BLESS BROTHER STAY BLESSED
@tenspeed77113 жыл бұрын
Never got one b.c I'm not in it yet but bad influence and Dimond gotta be my vote 🤘 apreciate all you do man! SYLSOS ride safe everyone! 😎
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Much respect
@pastorfrankie31203 жыл бұрын
We all have our strengths. A good proctor will focus on those. May hurt and a lil blood leaked. But ya gotta do what’s you. (I’m old and weak now but my heart is still there)
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Much respect
@JUSTAVGGAMING3 жыл бұрын
Good video my brother I pretty sure everyone looking for an advice in MC culture can trust you
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Much love
@monicacodycross35892 жыл бұрын
Earning my diamond was the hardest thing I have done but as far as the hardest patch I would say it's the 1000mile patch. Very few can do that many miles in one day
@mizzshortie9077 ай бұрын
I don’t know if i could do that much in a car, so riding a bike that has to be insanely hard! Congratulations
@mickey-eq5vw6 ай бұрын
1000 mile patch is badass thats some serious riding 💪
@edpetrikk2027Ай бұрын
No downers that day..
@RobertWilliams-vz8rk2 жыл бұрын
I've never commented on these videos but i will say you are spot on with time spent equating to respect. i became fully patched 13 months from the day i got my P. and i would never hand my shit to anyone. personally im a 99 but i hang out mostly with 1%ers and my brothers. i fucking hate watching clubs hand out a full set in 90 days or right from the jump sometimes and you for sure see a much larger turnover from those clubs. and if you are a P coming from someone who been through it, put your head down, put in work when youre asked and shut the fuck up. my brothers talk about how they didnt even know i had a personality until after i patched because i shut the fuck up constantly,
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Yea thats def the best way to be congrats
@lylecharles14573 жыл бұрын
When I got out I handed my patch back. I cut it off my vest. But I had already given up on that club because the last one who was in for the right reason and was one of the first in had passed away. I have to put another good friend and founder of that club in the ground this coming Thursday. I had known them both since like 1990.
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
I handed my whole cut because i knew i wasnt gonna go to another
@lylecharles14573 жыл бұрын
@@SoseTheGhost I wanted to keep my vest because of some of the other patches on it but I knew that the club got the back patch back. My friend who was president when he died had given me the riding name of Tumbleweed from when we were kids.
@smilingscottsman3 жыл бұрын
@@SoseTheGhost Strength and Honor
@joshuajackson75963 жыл бұрын
Man I've said it before but this is the best channel on KZbin. I'd love to drink some beer and hear more stories.#ghostin
@John-cc1pc Жыл бұрын
Yo Sose. I totally agree with. You gotta earn it for it to mean something and for you to give it greater respect it. Safe rides 👍🤜
@DemonsRow Жыл бұрын
much respect
@twisted-tenn19923 жыл бұрын
Sose does it Again. Another Banger from Demons Row
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Much love tenn
@russellthompson34863 жыл бұрын
Ghosting from south Jersey (the old man) Every path is as different as is the person involved.-. If you don’t / won’t/ can’t put in the work it’s not worth the cloth it’s made from.
@dylanvisitacion86183 жыл бұрын
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
So true Russ
@chockhead1213 жыл бұрын
Great video brother. #GHOSTIN.
@tech1er8293 жыл бұрын
Some clubs don't have prospect patches, you wear your vest with nothing on it, until you earn your acceptance.
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
👊👊👊
@kpikklefield24124 ай бұрын
There’s a saying, nothing easy is worth having. Having spent many years in the martial arts, I CHERISH all the pain, blood, sweat, injuries, and fear that came with me earning my belts. Especially the last one. Because of that I worked my students mercilessly and they ended up being better practitioners than I. Love this channel. #TacomaWashington
@DemonsRow4 ай бұрын
Thank you
@sparkylinkline5 ай бұрын
#Ghostin So Cal Excellent Videon appreciate Demons Row. Much Love, Buster
@DemonsRow5 ай бұрын
#ghostin appreciate you
@veritasx48133 жыл бұрын
Great episode. Respect #Ghostin
@LGguedo5 ай бұрын
Dirtbiker and traveled the americas on a bike. Not interested in a club, but respect. Thanks for sharing, find the insight facinating.
@DemonsRow5 ай бұрын
Much respect
@jasoni95013 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN...Another great show.
@thehairybeast9707 Жыл бұрын
When i was younger i studied traditional okinawan karate. The Sensei would gladly tell you i was one of his rising stars but he worked his two boys a lot harder than me. He always expected them to be able to keep pace with me because they had 24/7 access to him and to the dojo.
@mrbobthebo Жыл бұрын
#Ghostin new in Ocala Florida.Your a wealth of knowledge Rock and Roll !!!
@DemonsRow Жыл бұрын
#ghostin appreciate you
@JReffer4202 жыл бұрын
Brother you’re doing great work. I’m not in a club but watching your channel is very informative and you’ve earned every bit of respect. 🤝💪🏽 #Ghostin
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you brother
@thomaswoutersietsema48493 ай бұрын
Bigg recpect from Holland, your educatig al lot of people. Greetings from National Secratery from a brotherhood (oldschool rule's) I relate....to al lot your saying 🙏
@DemonsRow3 ай бұрын
much respect
@brianrahuba69193 жыл бұрын
Nothing has value till you put value to it ! Nuff said . # Ghostin
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
I love that
@bigphil2723 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN- thanks for the show SoSe always a fan of knowledge and come ups. 1 question- even with the dedication and determination needed to shoulder a extensive hang around/ prospect time period do you feel that bad brothers are also poisoning the cultural that makes those that do the work get out before they should. Referring back to your “ Not every brother is your brother” show. Nothing but love and respect SoSe. STAY UP!
@rcjawn44794 ай бұрын
My Father God Rest his Soul Was a member of the Vietnam Vet MC And he brought me around the Second Brigade MC, and not only did I Prospect in the most well known Chapter and the toughest Chapter In the Second Brigade, Because My Father was a VNV MC member My prospecting time was longer and harder and I was great full for that
@hectordejesus60403 жыл бұрын
My Guy Sose rocking that Raiders Cap! Keeping it Black and White. SYLM much L&R From Florida.
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Much love
@bobshotrodgtx38359 ай бұрын
As always ,good vid and thanks my brother, i've told you before and i'll say it again. Your a great brother and thanks for schooling all of us, esp the new riders(brothers) we all got each others back in the clinch.👍✌️🤘☠️
@DemonsRow9 ай бұрын
appreciate you
@hellbilly65323 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN down Tn way #FitW ML&R ; keep bringing that truth & light#Lifer
@Mike398313 жыл бұрын
To me it is the lifetime patch. In my club, while you have to totally earn it, we don't just give anything away, but it is just as hard to keep your center patch as it is to earn it. It is total dedication to earn the life patch. Most posers don't make it to earn life patch. #GHOSTIN
@MudFlap1ersgarage13 жыл бұрын
It was a good feeling earning the diamond ♦️ but truthfully looking back I have always been a 1%er. But not all diamond clubs makes you earn the diamond a lot of em hand them out with the center patch. I think the best patch out of all of em is the top and center patch. All that Diamonds means is club and brothers first before anything else even tho I already told you I don’t think clubs and 1%ers aren’t the same even during my time in I see it getting weaker and weaker.
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Def bro
@djkiltech2 жыл бұрын
What bothers me is when people hear "outlaw" and assume "criminal". You can work a regular job, and not be a criminal. It's about putting the laws of your club, the patch, the life, above the laws of the government or society. You put in the work, earn the respect of your club, and prove you're gonna be there for life. Just be true to your brothers, true to yourself, and show up and put in the work and the diamond will come to you when it's your time. I grew up around that life, seen a lot of things other civilians don't get to see. I'm going to save up to get on a decent ride and find my place in the life. It's time
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly
@jameslarson65682 жыл бұрын
That black n White Tee looks sick!
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@somewhereelse38133 жыл бұрын
Much love Sose. Lovin the honesty. You said you were talking about the work you did to earn your patch? But you only said it was non criminal, or did I miss somethin? #ghostin 🖤
@kezbot42833 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN Nothing worth having comes easy brother! Definitely need to put in the work or you will never appreciate it.
@timnevill79322 жыл бұрын
If it's your dream, something your sure you really want then all I can say is go for it! It won't be easy, but it shouldn't be! And yes it's one of the greatest moments you will experience in your life!
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Truth
@flavirufus3 жыл бұрын
What you actually get around club life, getting your patch instantly would be a very bad idea for you and for the club. There’s a lot that you need to learn. Poitics, how to move in the streets, how to answer certain questions, what questions not to answer, club history etc, etc etc. Doing dumb shit could jeopardize both you and your club. Just the timeframe of prospecting gets you around many other clubs and you get to see how to interact and build relationships. You get taken out of your comfort zone, and learn how to put yourself back in it so that you don’t trip over your own tongue. Earn it the right way, and keep earning it every single day that you’re in the club.
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Truth
@tonyd40793 жыл бұрын
#ghostin For me, the most exciting patch was when I was handed my diamond P patch for when I was in the support club. I had gotten pretty close with the president of that club and he was the one to hand it to me informed me that I had definitely earned it along with the respect from every member of the club. When I moved up to the main club, it isn’t the patches that did it for me, it’s the 1%er diamond pendent that a brother gifted to me and the 1%er ring given to me by my sponsor. I don’t leave the house without either of those no matter where I go
@johnnybaggett74072 жыл бұрын
I wear a Diamond 13 as I'm support for a big Club. That Diamond 13 is VERY important next to the Diamond 1%. Will roll up one day.
@ManuelPinner Жыл бұрын
Nice Video of You Riding with the Skull Mask,
@haydenhobbs76703 жыл бұрын
Great Story #GHOSTIN
@karbz32293 жыл бұрын
Luv that Hat Homie!!! RN4L 🤘🏼☠️🤘🏼
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
🤘🤘🤘
@alexbravo4572 Жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with you with it being watered down. I am not in a 1% club nor am I interested in earning a diamond because of my status and job (Military retiree and federal employee) but I am in a club. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there two different diamonds, 1% and 1%er?
@psychosantanero71463 жыл бұрын
Love ur hat homie
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👊👊
@nickolasjones92122 жыл бұрын
I always endured more than others, was challenged harder and grilled relentlessly by al those that believed I deserved what I was working to earn. When all was said and done, and I earned that achievement, I had made bonds with a Family of Brothers and Sisters that made the entire experience priceless; teaching me far more than those that just did what they had to do to get by.
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
Thats awesome
@ducatipitera7323 жыл бұрын
Wutz joy without a little pain #ghostin my G
@mickey-eq5vw11 ай бұрын
cool episode
@LamontCranston-l3v5 ай бұрын
I love the sub culture. Before I put patches on my cut ii asked! I know what I cant do. The guy said what I can . I respect the life
@MrReiss123 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN.. finally the first to comment 💪🏼
@jasonbailey41482 жыл бұрын
Love this stuff my dad sold his Harley Davidson because of his hip and he is 74 and sad about it
@toddjay56353 жыл бұрын
Trust love and respect ✊
@georgiapeach11003 жыл бұрын
Great share ~ anything just "given with no effort" just breeds entitlement, If you do not do the "work" and take your time and earn the patch I don't think a person would value and respect the meaning of it ~ if it is just given with little work. The harder you fight for an honor the more you cherish it which breeds a loyality like no other... I always love your shares, always thought provoking and helps understand so much more about the culture, and others stories as well and shares. #Ghostin Much Love ~ Traci
@420deerenation10 ай бұрын
Seems like I’ve been watching you forever love these videos man also where did you love your skull face cover need to find one of them
@toddjay56353 жыл бұрын
Treat each other the way you want to be treated do unto others as you would have them do unto you
@DemonsRow3 жыл бұрын
Truth
@julianthegodmusic Жыл бұрын
Haven’t ridden yet but I’m on my way. I have a cut from my recently late uncle and a jacket from my recently late father. Both rode Harleys religiously. I’m saving for mine. I want to really get into it. One of my other uncles was a VP for a 99 in my area. I am an army infantry vet and love and miss the brotherhood I had when I was in I want that same thing in this culture I love motorcycles and the happiness I get from seeing those who ride them and how they treat ppl too. #ghostin You teach me a lot sose I want to learn from you in so many ways
@TheRoadGlideRider3 жыл бұрын
#Ghostin #Dedication #Commitment
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Yes brother
@thetalantonx6 ай бұрын
"What we obtain too cheaply we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value..."
@Nate1965013 жыл бұрын
#ghostin!! I was hanging around for a year and probated for 9 months to get my Grimm Reaper patch and to me, lifer or the center patch carries the most value to me. I put in the work, I earned it and was my center patch because strictly pride for me. I didn't get the diamond for another 6 months, they made sure you truly EARNED it!
@carrow22508 ай бұрын
Nice video.
@DemonsRow8 ай бұрын
Appreciatd you
@celesteerazo68055 ай бұрын
I respect you 💯 my dude. I'm from the x, and I know about the life #ridemorepoliticless #ghostin
@DemonsRow5 ай бұрын
Much love
@Odinsjewl Жыл бұрын
Never earned a 1 percenter patch, earned my Bubble (Combat diver) badge and Airborne wings.....never had that that opportunity!
@montewolf35703 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN! It's a better feeling to work for something then just it being handed to you
@MrDhender13Ай бұрын
Skeletor & Mumm-Ra !!! DOPE!!!
@gervalpereira57842 жыл бұрын
#Ghostin here from south Florida!
@DemonsRow2 жыл бұрын
#ghostin
@vortexthehellhoundasmr513 жыл бұрын
I love your new video keep it up your awesome 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 100%
@SoseTheGhost3 жыл бұрын
Thank u brother
@thatdeadguy.666 Жыл бұрын
Gotta earn it. There is no other way. You are completely right Sose. Respect is earned not given.
@raygarcia45123 жыл бұрын
Always putting it down with bad ass content!!!!#rayo
@littleianthefirstАй бұрын
Recently a small contingency in our Association split, one was an ex director of the board, some were previously patch holders who were on probation for long absence re doing their prospecture and a small handful were prospects eager for their centre patches, they split and formed their own club nearby and everyone got their full patch right then and there right out at the onset. In our wider community, they carried this out in full view of everyone else on the scene in all the other clubs who had trod the path to actually earning their colours legit. You can see where Im going with this right? Better to be a lowly prospect in a decent outfit than to be merely a full patch wearer representing a lame one, any day. Its not just about the patch, it-s about being there because you really mean it, period.
@lifewithnikkifin Жыл бұрын
My step-dad was a 1%er miss him so much. He's been gone 15 years now. Never rode a motorcycle again. I miss it. 😔
@EddySmith85 Жыл бұрын
When I see a cut covered in patches, All I see is achievements and accomplishments.
@darrenhunt90493 жыл бұрын
#GHOSTIN. The huge similarity between MC and Military is the obvious making the grade. When I was a recruit in the Australian Army I saw Gung Ho types that didn't make it through Rookies simply because they couldn't be trusted to do the bigger job later all because of ego and self image. Of course you know what I'm on about.