Old Stadium designs that need to be used today

[@warrenkemmer1307]

Camden yards did everything this guy likes in a stadium

[@RedRaiderLobo20]

Most importantly, the three row upper deck.

[@creationist_ofcolor2385]

😂

[@eighteight4612]

From watching his videos I’ve come to realize that this guy absolutely hates Big Upper Decks and Batters Eyes in Center Field

[@beavis2k6]

Agreed. The only thing Camden Yards doesnt have is a home run porch that has an overhand like Tiger Stadium. BTW, Shibe Park looks more like a Victorian age house with the tower. Dont agree with alot of the thoughts of the author.

[@wildsmiley]

​@Eight Eight He likes some batters' eye designs, ones that have trees or ivy or things like that, like the ones here at Coors Field or at Angels Stadium. Boring, blank and empty ones are the ones he dislikes.

[@Richard-sc7yq]

One thing you've not considered at all, is the reason the seating capacities for the older stadiums were 35,000 plus, was because the fans WERE CRAMMED INTO the seating areas. Seat widths were about at least six inches more-narrow than what they are today. When DC Stadium was opened in Washington, D.C. in 1961, it featured 22-inch wide seats,, when the standard seat width (for sports stadiums) was only 15-and-a-half inches. The cookie-cutter stadiums also featured wider aisles and more leg room for each row of seats. When Chase Field was opened in Phoenix in 1998, it advertised that each and every seat in the stadium was guaranteed to have at least three feet of leg room. If another baseball stadium would be constructed to be a replica of the old Comiskey Park, there is no way it would have the same seating capacity as old Comiskey (43,951 capacity). A replica of old Comiskey Park today might have a seating capacity of 26,000 or less. Seats today are much wider, aisles are much wider (with a handrail in the middle of the aisle), and seat rows are much wider than they were in the stadiums of old, like old Comiskey Park, Washington, D.C.'s Griffith Stadium, and Brooklyn's Ebbets Field.

[@mmacejko929]

Well have you seen people now? They grow them bigger 😂

[@asmrdesigned]

YES! And I would argue the fan experience at newer ballparks isn't necessarily better because of the space for 'comfort.' Comfort doesn't always equal enjoyment/ fun. there's a sense of camaraderie with fellow fans when packed in tight, and greater energy in the stadium.

[@kotaowens6978]

The old Comiskey and Tigers stadiums had the BEST outfield seating. That compact nature puts you RIGHT near the action

[@robertlee6781]

The only thing I never liked about the upper deck out Field seats at Comiskey was that you could not see about 1/3 of the out field play if you were back a few rows. The sight lines were messed up. If the seats were set back more, it would have been much better.

[@rteitel1974]

The closest seat in the upper deck at Comerica is farther than last row of the UD of Tiger Stadium! Boy I hate Comerica!

[@jak71113]

Citi Field was based off Ebbets, same as Miller Park’s exterior.

[@rayspooner1982]

I love how the comiskey upper deck was directly over the lower deck and was very low. They need to bring that back. Nobody wants to be 8 stories high watching ants play baseball.

[@pahwraith]

You cant do that without poles and obstructed views then.

[@DanTarrant1]

OTOH, nobody wants to sit with his or her view blocked by one of he supporting columns that are needed for that style of upper deck.

[@rayspooner1982]

@@DanTarrant1 I think they have the technology to make a stadium like this without the support beams, but maybe not.

[@DanTarrant1]

@@rayspooner1982 I'm not an architect or engineer so don't hold me to this, but I have read a little about it and it's not so much a matter of technology as it is a matter of physics ....stadium upper decks can only handle so much weight before additional supports are needed. Going from steel beams to precast concrete did allow for more of an unsupported overhang than before but unless so sort of new superstrong material is developed it's not going to be possible....

[@rayspooner1982]

@DanTarrant1 Well I can do it with Legos, so let's get someone on this! Lol, nah that makes sense. There's gotta be a way to bring fans closer to the field without a million poles obstructing the view, but I guess we aren't there yet. Damn physics!

[@Philtration]

I loved Comiskey Park. The upper deck seats were looking right down on the field and it was a great view even from the outfield. Lots of great memories of the old place and I miss it.

[@johnfitzpatrick3094]

The outside of CitiField was modeled after Ebbets Field.

[@bobbowie9350]

How does he not know that?? Weird

[@johnfitzpatrick3094]

@@bobbowie9350 He probably hasn't seen pictures of the place.

[@Rubbanitz27]

I like his videos, but he really isn’t knowledgeable about anything before the 2010’s. And he’s kind of obsessed with batters eyes. Weird.

[@johnfitzpatrick3094]

@@Rubbanitz27 And he has a tendency to go overboard on his criticisms, although most of them are valid.

[@michaels4574]

"Shibe" not "Shribe" just for reference. Named for former A's president Ben Shibe, early Philly days. Later Connie Mack Stadium after the one and only Cornelius McGillicuddy, aka Connie Mack, manager of the A's for 49 years.

[@PredatorKingdom]

Whenever the White Sox do a new stadium they should do a modern version of the old Comiskey as I think itncould be great for them.

[@markprad]

I was at old Comiskey for Bat Day in 1973 or '74. Attendance was 55,555 Crazy!

[@TedRyan]

Boston Garden was great. My first game was obstructed view upper deck vs the Sonics in '89. 2 months later, I was front row against the Rockets. Quite a change of scenery. The court level scoring/media tables were covered by cloth banners (which went away in the early 90s when the NBA began adopting the electric alternating ad boards, which remain today). The ad signage/scoreboards/lighting was also incredible. It felt personal. Last but not least, to cover the ice for basketball games, they used yellow plywood floorboards. I remember putting my feet on them - and wishing the moment would last forever.

[@jamescaron6465]

the first 20 rows of the First balcony were the best seats. you sat right on top of the ice and you could see everything. They weren't even close to being the most expensive seats, either. I saw the AHL Braves and WHA Whalers from those seats.

[@scotttild]

First Balcony seat were great in the Garden, got to see Bird a number of times. Glad I grew up back then.

[@UnexpectedPlay]

St. Louis SC did something very similar to old comsikey with their stadium, they focused on having the upper deck seats being as close to the filed of play as possible. the furthest seat is less than 120 feet away from the action

[@UnexpectedPlay]

also the stadium holds 22,500

[@tdyerwestfield]

The giant wall of seats like at Candlestick is very common now in brand new European football stadiums. All inspired by Westfalenstadion's "yellow wall", a 27000 seat single tier stand.

[@joek9353]

So you need to look at two old Detroit stadiums. Tiger Stadium and the Olympia.

[@JeffreyW67]

One can wax nostalgic about Comiskey, but old stadiums did have some seating problems that the newer stadiums do not have. Granted, they may have swapped one issue for another... The closer the overhang of the upper deck to the field means that those sitting toward that back of the lower deck cannot see all the action. A pop up / home run gets lost for a period of time. They may not be able to see the main scoreboard depending on the angle. Modern construction techniques and materials may eliminate or reduce this, but no one wants to sit behind a pole -- something that was necessary to support an upper deck being so close to the field. Especially if that pole blocks something important, like seeing home plate.

[@johndevine2868]

The Boston Garden didn’t have an “upper deck.” It had a balcony. Fans in the balcony were closer to the action than many in the lower sections. I miss the Garden, warts and all.

[@rteitel1974]

Boston Garden, Chicago Stadium and the Olympia in Detroit were very similar. The mezzanine levels were so steep. Everyone was on top of the ice! Such atmosphere..especially with all the smokers and a haze of smoke!

[@ZDoko602]

In Phoenix we still have Veterans Memorial Coliseum where the Phoenix Suns played until 1992. The Coyotes should probably take a look at moving into that building.

[@412StepUp]

It would have to be renovated to get it up to current NHL arena standards.

[@412StepUp]

Actually the Coyotes should just move back to Quebec and become the Nordiques again. Sorry Phoenix.

[@matts7019]

@@412StepUp Coyotes were the Winnipeg Jets. The Nordiques are the Avs.

[@trickolas78]

Shibe park was very underrated

[@shaindaman13]

LOVED IT! Crosley Field as well…with that uphill in left field. I loved the ivy wall at Forbes like my Cubbies have at good ol Wrigley. If Im not mistaken, Forbes had that ivy on the brick wall first.

[@johnisouth6636]

I totally agree. My favorite stadiums are the Old Ones.

[@mikescott2035]

As a WHITE SOX fan, I'm disappointed with our stadium, it's CHEAP looking!!! The fan experience is not good!!! Bring back old comiskey park.

[@rodneymorgan4211]

One thing I’ve noticed that I don’t like are the tall outfield seating and massive scoreboards that dwarf the field. Makes the field seem small. Also, turn the music volume down.

[@jak71113]

Adding to the music in baseball. Can we stop using the played out sound clips of “Day-ooooh!” By Harry Belafonte/Beetlejuice and “Woowhoo, yeewhoo” from Gwen Stafani’s song Sweet Escape? Better yet, just let the organ be heard, and just use music for the player’s walk up.

[@JosephCoates]

Where did you get the modern renderings of old Comiskey?

[@jimkimball5125]

Citi Field actually pays honors to Ebetts Field. Check it out.

[@7mileDem]

Where's Old Tiger Stadium (Detroit) ??? It was a fully enclosed ballpark with the upper and lower deck blleachers wrapped around the outfield. No outfield bullpens.

[@wilnerolivier7971]

Tiger Stadium is missed!!

[@RobMcDougall]

What balconies of stadiums and arenas of this era, like the Boston Garden and Comiskey Park, did really well was put you on top of the action. The trade off for this of course was obstructed views in the lower level owing to the supports that held the 2nd level in place. Matthews Arena, which you derided in one of your college videos for 'being over 100 years old' has one of the best views of the sport of hockey in it's balcony hanging you right out over the ice.

[@BassManSTS]

Other classic examples of stacked seating: Tiger Stadium and Polo Grounds

[@mmacejko929]

Bring back the old urine troughs from Cleveland municipal stadium

[@rtm457]

I loved old Tigers Stadium in Detroit, where home runs could be hit onto the roof. Also Ebbetts Field had a compact footprint.

[@arizonaguy9015]

I agree. Those older stadiums gave the viewer a real sense of how far a ball was hit. Nowadays a ball could be estimated at 470 feet, but meh, doesn’t aesthetically look any different than a ball that was hit 425 feet. Back in the old days, at stadiums like Tiger Stadium and Old Comiskey, a ball that was really smashed was visually evident by balls going onto the roof, or deep into the upper deck. It was a rush to see.

[@JL_-on1st]

I'm a Sox fan and totally agree

[@GregSharp]

Look into the Armour Square concept that was designed before New Comiskey was built. It would have been everything you’re saying in this video.

[@samsciascia4004]

Old Comiskey had a lot of obstructed views with the poles

[@rainbowmade1880]

I love your idea! Even the A’s old stadium in KC was great. There were animals outside the outfield fence, even before Charlie ‘O the Mule!

[@robertcortez1109]

I do like the designs of past stadiums like tiger stadium seems like the old stadiums just look better at least to me.

[@lonniestephens6254]

Yes, the old stadium of designs of the past look a lot better.

[@Lfrio]

As a stl cardinals fan I love the Rockies and Orioles stadiums

[@jeffwebb2966]

As a Cardinals fan I really like Busch 3 inside and out, but Kauffman in KC is a great modern stadium, it's just out in the middle of huge parking lots far away from the city. Busch is downtown and although people complain about the ballpark village corporate area around it, if you walk a short distance from the stadium there are a lot of great old bars and neighborhoods right around it.

[@Lfrio]

@@jeffwebb2966 yeah I like it more than when they first built it and it was just empty space in the outfield, baseball area for sure even the bars for places to go before/after games

[@jamescaron6465]

Shibe Park, Forbes Field, even the Baker Bowl would be great to recreate. I wish Houston Kept the deep center field even if they got rid of the terrace. Ball gets behind the center fielder, you can run all day. That is exciting baseball.

[@Bendig123]

Old Philly ballparks we’re so good

[@dogcowrph]

I saw the Grateful Dead on a six night run in 1991. One night in the first row of the balcony on stage right. I felt like I was on stage Jerry.

[@asmrdesigned]

The old ballparks were great for how close fans were to the action. The original Yankee Stadium for instance never should have been torn down- it should have been declared a national monument for its groundbreaking architecture and design. Shame.

[@howie9751]

The Boston Garden had too many obstructed view seats. In the upper deck you lose the boards below in hockey, and in the corner we sat in, in the lower deck, the upper deck cut off half the ice.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

The A’s LV renderings just released has upper deck seating going around the stadium.

[@Jondsmusic]

What you call dates red, I merely call timeless. The Boston garden was an epic place to see and experience my teams play. There will never been a place like it ever again. All of your new stadium and renovation fetishes all point to antiseptic agendas. New doesn’t equate to better.

[@simonhimself1]

Citi copied ebbets my guy. The Mets even came to existence because the dodgers left.

[@robertlee9559]

and Giants in addition to the Dodgers.

[@wilnerolivier7971]

​@@robertlee9559 That's where the Mets colors came from!! Blue to honor the Dodgers & orange to honor the Giants.

[@manuelgrothe608]

I use the Oakland Coliseum design for a the future, fresh plumbing, fresh seating and fresh shading

[@8Brandon8]

Oracle Park

[@howie9751]

I loved old Comiskey the two times I went there, but half the seats were in the outfield.

[@ZacharyWhite25]

Truist Park is an example of a retro ballpark designed to your satisfaction.

[@drew3ism]

Citi was inspired by Ebbets not shibe

[@trickolas78]

How do you know? Were you on the architecture team?

[@drew3ism]

@@trickolas78 I know you are just trying to get a reaction but it is widely known. Stated in many articles that you can find if you look for them. Also if you scroll down the comments you will see many people say the same, confirming it’s not just something I’m saying but as I said a widely known fact.

[@stephencaudle1766]

​ Literally look at the exterior 😂

[@drew3ism]

@@stephencaudle1766 For some that’s not enough 😉🙄🤣

[@johnfitzpatrick3094]

​@Tiki Traveller He's probably seen pictures of Ebbets Field, like I have.

[@blakerh]

I went to Comiskey Park a lot in the 70s and 80s. It was a dump and had obstructed views will all the support beams. The new park wasn't great either. I sat in the top of the upper deck and it was steep has hell. I hope the Sox move out of the south side some day. It is a bad neighborhood.

[@robertbrackins1308]

I went to a bunch of games in the 80's,the only good thing about obstructive view seats, is it was a cheaper price.

[@wildsmiley]

Citi Field took inspiration not from Shibe Park. Rather, it was Ebbets Field. However, I would not be totally surprised if the designers of my hometown ballpark, Coors Field, cribbed a few ideas from Shibe Park's exterior, among other long gone jewel box ballparks.

[@robbank8027]

Tiger stadium

[@lonniestephens6254]

I oughta make a list of classic stadium designs that should be used today.

[@MrDancer5293]

SHIBE!!! NOT SHRIBE. Dear god there’s no R

[@KittyPurrfect100]

Lambeau Field is the way a football stadium should look like. Cowboys Stadium and SoFi, Mercedes in Atlanta don’t compare to Green Bay. Boston Garden had the best sightlines in the NBA. Old Yankee Stadium was the stadium to see everything

[@matts7019]

Mercedes looks like a giant sphincter.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

DG what do you think of the A’s Fremont design as a future MLB design with the outfield pyramid? I know you discussed it in a previous video.

[@LeonardWeirich-gq2gp]

What MLB stadiums, NFL stadiums, NBA arenas, and NHL arenas would you say is in dire of a renovation or rebuild?

[@RedRaiderLobo20]

To impress this guy, just build an upper deck that’s only 5 rows deep. Problem with building a two-tiered approach is that no fan today is okay sitting behind a column. The only way to build without columns is the cantilevered design, which is universally employed in new ballparks.

[@Bendig123]

Citi Field exterior based on Ebbets Field…looks identical. Great design

[@rh9477]

I got to see old comiskey the year before it closed, took in a game in the outfield bleachers. I regret I never got to see old tiger stadium though

[@josephhouk6703]

Let's see: Brick facade - Check. Good OF Sections - Check. Incorporate standing room and party decks into OF - Check. So tell me again why Rob Manfred doesn't like Miller Park again?

[@stephencaudle1766]

If you can explain one thing Manfred has done I'll give you a medal

[@Rebel-eq7ul]

The A’s will build some Marlins or SoFi looking thing, I think the Rays if they ever get a relocation stadium or build a new stadium in Orlando,St. Pete or Tampa they will also go super modern like the Marlins, only one I could think of is the Royals if they ever leave the K they might build a retro classic

[@jaydenplive1234]

Citi Field took the front design from Ebbets Field

[@johnappleton9349]

When more people showed up for the boat show than the game they knew it was time to go.

[@AndrewMoats]

Globe Life Park in Arlington had a completely brick exterior.

[@jonathansuazo417]

Bring back tiger stadium

[@7mileDem]

If the White Sox build a new ballpark, it would be cool incorporate Chicago's skyline into the outfield ala PNC,Comerica Park.

[@johnfitzpatrick3094]

Shibe Park, not Shribe Park.

[@princeofdarknessxyz1]

i did like farmers field near staples center or move it to city of industry...a lil closer to where I live

[@joemccullough4246]

Bring back massive overhangs in the outfield

[@54raynor]

Comiskey’s original capacity was over 50k, so I honestly don’t think you need the 2nd tier in the outfield at all to fit the stadium to modern sensibilities. But I love the idea of a two-tier approach with visible columns. It would probably look better with a more open outfield, especially with a great view of the city skyline.

[@robertlee9559]

Right on. The left field upper deck could have been removed and replaced with a big Jumbotron like the one in left field at Wrigley. Keep the exploding board, of course. That would have provided more revenue than the upper deck seats would ever provide. Also, pull the remaining upper decks back and cantilever them so not as many lower deck seats would have been obstructed. Keep the original brick facade but sandblast it and tuckpoint it. A little imagination could have saved Old Comiskey.

[@markyoung2246]

YO, the A’s just dropped their Vegas rendering. You should check it out ASAP.

[@carlosrivera4915]

(MLB)Tigers stadium!

[@if_art015]

Where did this kid learn to talk ?

[@guillermomedina6625]

Citi field used the ebbets field exterior concept ⚾

[@jakobforney8891]

As a Sox fan born in 2000 I only dream about comiskey Park.

[@2jsalomon]

"Shibe" not "ShRibe". Just an fyi

[@robertthomas8866]

City field used ebbets field

[@turtle19dad]

SHIBE Park?

[@jonathanlocy3374]

Groundbreaking stuff

[@bobbowie9350]

Citifield is ebbets.. I thought it was obvious

[@tklalmighty]

It _is_ obvious.

[@rossdiddy29]

GABP'S exterior has brick. I dig it.

[@MarkDaSilva-z9i]

I like the first Comiskey Park. The second is nothing special if you ask me .

[@sinwaters909]

I want the dodgers to rebuild ebbets field in LA without displacing people in the hood

[@seannyscene4446]

IM FROM PHILLY AND ITS SHIBE NOT SHRIBE AND CITI FIELD GOT ITS DESIGN FROM EBBETS FIELD

[@echobase1648]

Well Mr. Monotone voice, that's all fine and nice except stadiums only last about 10 years (ok maybe 20 years) before teams are bitching and moaning for a new one...

[@bruno3833]

the only thing bad about city field is that its not inside the city

[@turtle19dad]

Too bad Spanos still sucks. I love the SD renderings. #BoltUp #SpanosStillSucks

[@robertthomas8866]

Citi

[@evermar1]

every stadium needs a brick exterior? That is just dumb. In California, Texas Arizona? why?

[@nategonzalez2011]

Hi

[@FreedomTexan1776]

Comiskey or Ebbets field!!