Derek Carr vs. Jameis Winston: Who's Better? | New Orleans Saints Cleveland Browns Preview

[@BillyRayValentineFCOJ]

There is no real comparison. DC4 is better.

[@richvitale3831]

Eric McCoy should make the biggest difference.

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@richvitale3831 True

[@BillyRayValentineFCOJ]

Hopefully

[@vizisolutions]

He did

[@hamiltoncamp]

@@richvitale3831 And now he’s injured again…🤬

[@BillyRayValentineFCOJ]

This is why the TANK AND REBUILD people are insane. It's way too easy to get into that cycle the Raiders were in. That the Browns and Jets have been in. Saints fans whining about the last four years don't sound like people who have a standard of excellence or even know what that means. They just sound insufferable and display a lack of understanding of the league. Fun bit about the Raiders 14 year stretch there: Rich Gannon Kerry Collins Andrew Walter Daunte Culpepper Aaron Brooks Marques Tuiasosopo Rick Mirer Rob Johnson Tee Martin JaMarcus Russell Josh McCown Bruce Gradkowski Charlie Frye JP Losman Jason Campbell Kyle Boller Carson Palmer Terrelle Pryor Matt Leinart Matt Flynn Matt McGloin And they signed Matt Schaub to be the guy to fix it.... Before DC4 showed up at the end of that and started to provide some sense of stability and direction.

[@pbm8264]

But the Saints fans are entitled to have a winning team. They deserve it. 😂😂😂 They had a decent 20 year stretch that was spattered with several 7-9 seasons. They are “used” to winning and will accept nothing less. These shallow minded fans are ridiculous. I really am embarrassed for “Christian” Louisiana.

[@pbm8264]

And Carr is better than every one of those QB’s and Saints fans are booing him. Yea I was there last week. There was a smattering of boos when he was introduced and ran onto the field. The organization had to pipe in applause for all the players to help drown out the boos when Carr is introduced. These people are sick. Carr has consistently been a top 10 QB throughout his career playing with trash teams (including the Saints last year) and playing under 8 different systems in 11 years, and when he has even a modicum of support and stability he is in the MVP conversation, and he gets booed by the silly toxic follow the crowd groupthink fans. They don’t deserve a QB like Carr, but Carr will still excel and give NO his best.

[@pbm8264]

@@BillyRayValentineFCOJ Yea, they think it is easy to get a franchise QB. They must be ignorant of what’s going on in the league. Teams like Chicago and the Jets have been looking for their next franchise QB for decades, the Jets since Nameth. The Saints have a franchise QB now who the 49ers offered two #1 picks for in 2020 and Gruden turned them down. Why? Because the 49ers, Gruden and everyone who knows football knows that a proven veteran franchise QB is more valuable than a crap shoot in the draft. SF the went in to draft their next QB bust. But these clowns, as you say, don’t realize that. And I am really disappointed in these podcasters for not nailing that point and letting these “Karen” fans spout off with little to no rebuke.

[@JASONvsBOSCO]

James, you make it entertaining reacting but, this man with the goofy shirt is an embarrassment. He thinks 49.8x2 is 100.6. I have heard enough 😂

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@JASONvsBOSCO The math wasn’t mathing!

[@silentandcliche]

Lmao, I love me some T-bob but, don't think anyone would confuse him for a math wiz 🤣💀

[@TheDustoff9]

Give him a break , Louisiana public schools …

[@BillyRayValentineFCOJ]

That's how LSU linemen do math

[@pbm8264]

@@JASONvsBOSCO Bobby Hebert looks like a genius compared to his son.

[@michaelmartin4366]

It's not even close. CARR IS THE BETTER QB.

[@relaxandcalmstation]

@@michaelmartin4366 but Carr has no heart and the players really don’t like him ….. they both aren’t championship caliber… but Carr is a team obliterater.

[@1001011011010]

​@@relaxandcalmstation "Has no heart" bruh are you serious rn? He totally has heart. He doesn't wanna leave the field! He was down for just about anything with the team in the off season. C'mon man

[@relaxandcalmstation]

@@1001011011010 trade this bum . Carr = 💩

[@christianlingamen1754]

@@relaxandcalmstationbro what 😂 what are you AI?

[@albecnel1838]

@@1001011011010 Carr is the type of guy that just wants to be liked. If you're wearing a shitty outfit in public he'd say you look good even tho you look like shit. He gives me politician vibes. He definitely has a deep ball threat, but other than that he can't extend plays or improvise.

[@mtoddlaw]

Another banger video brother - thanks

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@mtoddlaw 💪🏻💪🏻

[@moustiebeaubeau]

Underrated take on wanting MVS over Shaheed, I understand.

[@unforgivenkd]

How did you know I wanted a video for my drive home

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@unforgivenkd 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 Eyes on the road!

[@unforgivenkd]

@ oh yea I just listen like a podcast… James, should I put MVS in my flex this week in fantasy 🥴

[@SB-ye5oi]

Raiders roast is on point

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@SB-ye5oi 14 years!

[@SB-ye5oi]

@@JamesSkrmetta felt firsthand

[@Morphitrix]

James the reason people think the Saints defense played well is because of recency bias. It permeates all of sports as I'm sure you know. They saw the strip sack and the Tyrann INT near the end of the game and that defined the entire day of the Saints defense for the vast majority of people, because those plays were among the last they saw. One could say they CLUTCHED when it mattered and that would be accurate. But as you've covered, they did not play all that well overall.

[@santacaballero2762]

The run defense was the worst thing. Everything else was solid besides some penalties

[@divineeternity7268]

This defense been overrated for the pass 2 years in my opinion.

[@juliusrickles]

Greatest show on turf

[@justpaintoncanvas3408]

If saints win does that mean Carr is the better QB ? Isn’t that the peoples formula ? 😂

[@divineeternity7268]

Lol. Carr already played Winston when they was with the Raiders and Bucs.

[@jasonwynn318]

The Dome Dog Dominator The ol Glizzy Gobbler is back at it again. Yes sir

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@jasonwynn318 Sunday is a bad day to be a glizzy

[@juliusrickles]

Taysom SB MVP

[@_coasthero]

“storied franchise”🤣🤣 naw tanking is real life crazy asf

[@callmewhatyouwantto]

The raiders have some of the coolest history in the league. You aren't a fan of football if you don't know 60s to 80s raiders. There's a reason the league worshipped the ground madden walked on. And Al Davis changed the game by introducing the deep pass to the game. He's also the only owner to ever stand up to the NFL and win. Many, many, many legends from that franchise. Even with their irrelevance in the last 20 years, the saints franchise pales in comparison. That's how much they dominated. Pretty sure madden is still the most winningest coach in history. Dk that one for sure.

[@callmewhatyouwantto]

You wanna find a dope video to watch? Find a documentary on Jack Tatum. Itl be worth it.

[@callmewhatyouwantto]

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[@pbm8264]

Ha. Yea. The Saints fans brag on Lattimore being their best cornerback in history. The Raiders have had about a dozen defensive backs that are better than Lattimore.

[@callmewhatyouwantto]

@@pbm8264 yea, not even an exaggeration lol

[@DestineeR0225]

#4 Is my QB #Whodatnation

[@Archerforthelord]

A lot of that Oakland 14 year stretch was terrible coaching. Some of those teams had talent but the players quit.

[@raginn_]

The color button up man hurts my ears as a saints fan

[@TrumpsTrashTruck]

Did anyone see T Bob’s meltdown with Moscona after the LSU loss? It was unhinged lol

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@TrumpsTrashTruck lol after Bama?

[@TrumpsTrashTruck]

@ yes they were in that cigar bar and he was going ballistic lol I can’t believe the bar let them stay

[@davidfigueiro4301]

As far as Derek Carr... Saints overpaid him, he plays just well enough to get yanked in the red zone. I don't know this: but how many others starting quarterbacks get yanked inside the 20 because they just can't get it done?

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@davidfigueiro4301 He was paid as the 19th highest paid QB at the time. Wouldn’t consider that overpaying

[@pbm8264]

The Saints finished their last 7 games last year as the hottest red zone team. You people just repeat each other. It really is embarrassing.

[@willfotwenty7469]

Taysom can’t throw well so yeah have a mini Lamar at Qb in the red zone if you need down there take a Carr

[@davidarreguin6339]

Crazy, who broke that losing streak for raiders? Look it up, it might surprise you.

[@RayKhan275]

Bro forsure The Browns are WAYY worse than the Jags. Neither have a SB but CLE has been around 4x as long & still hasn’t won.

[@sweeabn6736]

Bottom Shelf Game of the week.

[@808raza]

Virtually same qb talent and health wise, but I think J bow had the guy's back more so than DC.

[@hamiltoncamp]

Call me a Carrrdashian, but I just don’t understand this narrative that Derek Carr is a trash QB. When TBob says DC loves nothing more than gloating after a meaningless win, it just rubs me the wrong way. Clearly, if you pay attention, he is an above average quarterback, not elite, who has been saddled with the burden of playing most of his career with the pathetic Raiders franchise, and then stepping into another bad situation, with a fanbase that is twice as salty as the Raiders fan base. I think that is what’s rubbing off on Tbob, and other KZbin commentators. I’ve even seen it rub off on you James. It becomes so infectious that people think they have to feel like they can’t give him credit for his talent. Dude is a good quarterback. Again, not elite, but not deserving of the trashing he consistently receives.

[@BillyRayValentineFCOJ]

T-Bob is a clown and he wants his dad, Bobby Hebert to forever be on a pedestal as one of the top Saints QBs.

[@pbm8264]

@@BillyRayValentineFCOJ. Bobby Hebert is a genius compared to his son TBob.

[@pbm8264]

I agree with much of what you said, but I believe Carr is elite. If Carr was drafted by a stable organization like the Chiefs, whom Reid wanted to draft Carr, nobody would be calling Carr mid or trash today. Whenever he had just a modicum of stability in his career he was in the MVP conversation. A mid QB does not have the most game winning drives since 2016 and the best record in OT among active QB’s. A mid QB would not have a seven game stretch from the last 5 games last year to the first two this year. Has any other QB in NFL history ever had such a 7 game stretch? Also, someone recently posted a list of QB rankings considering every passing category and Carr is ranked the 5th and Brees is ranked 3rd. The fact that Carr is even considered mid or trash is testament to the stupidity of people. People tend to just follow the crowd and groupthink.

[@JamesSkrmetta]

@@hamiltoncamp I’ve pretty consistently had Carr somewhere between the 12th and 18th ranked QB. I think he’s above average. He’s a polarizing guy who just rubs some people the wrong way. (I could care less about his personality but some people weigh that pretty heavily)

[@pbm8264]

@@JamesSkrmetta No he is not polarizing. He is one of the nicest guys around. A good family man, a Christian and has never done anything wrong in public life like kicking a man in the head when he is already on the ground. People that don’t like Carr and are just acting like a bunch of Democrats. They are looking for any word he says to twist and make an excuse not to like him. With the toxic Saints fans it all started with them thinking he was getting paid too much. Then, since DA was the coach who got him and then dared to take up for him that made them hate Carr more. Because you know, these “Christians” hate DA so now they hate Carr. Then they make up stories (just like Democrats) that Carr does not take responsibilities for his mistakes. Then they magnify his mistakes and ignore his accomplishments. These people are pathetic. They are a bunch of groupthink follow the crowd sheeple. I notice the one thing they are saying now is that Carr has a good long ball. Haha. They have to give him something, I guess. I mean you cannot deny that he does not have a good long ball. That would be going too far, even for them. “Carr does have a good long ball, but he is still mid.”

[@relaxandcalmstation]

Jameis has heart and the other players love him …. Carr is a numbers guy who already has got into verbal conflicts with the o line and probably many other players. DC is trash.

[@Allen-xy1us]

There's the hate I knew the Saints fans can generate! After your center went down, that O-line was just plain bad, yet you all started blaming Carr.

[@relaxandcalmstation]

@@Allen-xy1us what team do you like? Y’all can have him. lol 😂

[@daddy123g1]

@@Allen-xy1us look at Carr's film bro, it's bad, the Chiefs interception, and the Olave ball? use your eyes man It's not all on Carr but man ANY pressure even falsely perceived pressure, and the ball is out of bounds, picked off, or something else, I want a better QB that can handle a little pressure that's all, it's like he has PTSD and doesn't want to be touched, and I get it those are big ass lineman but still

[@dl9232]

​@relaxandcalmstation what happened in that verbal conflict? Carr called out the correct Mike linebacker, Ruiz completely missed the block, Carr got sacked and yelled at Ruiz, and McCoy defended his fellow lineman. That was over a year ago, and nobody is talking about it but a few of our salty fans. Jameis is my favorite quarterback in the league. His personality and his play style are fun to watch. As far as being a great quarterback, I wouldn't go that far. Again, he can be exciting, but he's not going to win you many games when he throws it up for grabs 50% of the time.🤷🏿‍♂️

[@relaxandcalmstation]

@@dl9232 I agree with you bro …. Like I said ….. they both aren’t gonna win championships but if I had to pick …… I pick the guy with heart 🤷🏻‍♂️ Btw I never said he was great

[@jarelljenkins3392]

That shoutout to DA by Carr really rubbed people the wrong way he needs to go no one else misses him and it’s not good for the locker room

[@dl9232]

It rubbed some people the wrong way, but it shouldn't have. Showing a coach who just got released a little respect was a moment of character. DA sucked as a head coach and needed to go, 💯. He was still a big part of the organization, and it's defensive turnaround the last several years. Carr didn't lament his absence and gave Rizzi love too, so I think most of us are all good and understood the situation. 👍🏿

[@jarelljenkins3392]

@ i don’t agree if that was the case why hasn’t anyone else went out there way to give a shoutout I’ll tell you why because no one cares but Carr plain and simple come on

[@raginn_]

are you under the age of 15

[@dl9232]

@jarelljenkins3392 probably because they know how some fans will react. Carr didn't care and showed the coach that drafted him respect. Did he draft any of those other guys? Plus, he "didn't go out of his way." He spent 5-10 seconds in a post-game interview.

[@BillyRayValentineFCOJ]

Yeah, some people in New Orleans just can't handle a QB acting with class, respect, and dignity.