Desert Tech MDR - 6.5 Creedmoor - On the Clock

[@CountDravda]

Karl forgot his most important rule: change nothing before a match. One wouldn't think a slightly larger magazine would cause problems...one would be wrong.

[@InrangeTv]

Correct, I broke my own rules.

[@cavalinorampante1]

InRangeTV Made a mistake and then owned it. You’re a good man Karl.

[@HircineDaWolf]

At least thats the easiest one to fix

[@allenjohnson5651]

Keep in mind that the 6.5 Creedmore is not based on the 308Win/7.62 NATO case. Rather it is closer to the 250Savage (or 22/250) Ackley Improved (Hornady claims it's from the 30 TC cartridge but look at the SAAMI case drawings) necked up to 6.5 or down to 6mm (6mm Creedmore). It has less case taper than the 308Win and a shorter rim to shoulder junction and a steeper shoulder angle.When stacked in a larger capacity magazine, it would need less mag body curvature. The 25 round P-Mag must have caused binding because of this difference in case taper.

[@gloglo1275]

Just need some advice. I have a rattler in .300 and 556. Someone offered me a DT in 6.5 with mantis hand guard and some ammo. Is it worth it?

[@revolverDOOMGUY]

The halo dmr is slowly coming together.

[@bluecaptainIT]

We need a .50 BMG conversion so badly.

[@revolverDOOMGUY]

@@bluecaptainIT Nah, if you want a cool locking 50bmg anti material bull-puprifle there is already the GM6 lynx.

[@bluecaptainIT]

@@revolverDOOMGUY that's the coolest Bullpup in the book, I love it. I was referring to a Halo-looking one, though.

[@konstantinavilov1192]

Alas, no. The Halo DMRs have "gas piston" under the barrel, and DT MDR has it over the barrel. So they won't ever look the same.

[@Warriorcat49]

bluecaptainIT The DMR of Halo is just 7.62 NATO though. The SRS-99 is basically a semi-auto 14.5mm NTW-20 if that’s what you’re thinking of.

[@JC_R8MEOW]

I have to say, MDR has shown a considerable amount of confidence (and more than a little guts) in giving you their product line to test.

[@da2ndshooter]

This is very true. The other thing to remember is that InRange did. more to help DT with this gun than anyone else did. Plus Karl and Ian were upstanding after their initial issues so it’s understandable why DT would trust them.

[@StormBringare]

Haven't they been very responsive to critique and worked hard to fix issues various youtubers have found?

[@JC_R8MEOW]

@@StormBringare They absolutely have, and it shows that they really believe in their product to give it the opportunity to *potentially* fail publicly if something goes wrong, then work with people (like Karl and Ian) to improve their product. I salute DT for that; it's not as common as it should be.

[@Echristoffe]

Well a good maker which listen to user is rare.

[@HircineDaWolf]

what about the fact that its owned by a buncha mormon weirdos

[@devinwooley3575]

Hand this over to 9-hole reviews. 6.5 MDR practical accuracy out to 1,100 yards.

[@Gerwulf97]

Need this

[@eagletalon2115]

Gonna leave the likes there at 117

[@davidhemsath4262]

I hope you’ll show this against a spinner.

[@BeKindToBirds]

Yeah it is a good test to compare with what we know

[@BitchenMarsRockstar]

I'd love to see more caliber comparison videos against a spinner, how does 45 super or 10mm compare to 9mm and 45 ACP? 6.5 vs 308, 300 blackout vs 5.56, etc

[@colemanmoore9871]

@@BitchenMarsRockstar I think Sinistral Rifleman has done some of these comparisons.

[@Rightnt]

Me: What caliber is your MDR? InRange: *Pulls out a rifle bag of parts* All of them Good video, it's interesting that the 25 round mags cause issues but at least there is a solution and a fairly easy one at that.

[@Karelwolfpup]

large capacity magazine geometries screwing with feeding seems to be a classic issue that plagues weapons systems right back to the gatling gun

[@Karelwolfpup]

@Jason Mullings harmonics and spring tension seem to be the two key bugbears to bigger mags, outside of any problems with the weapon itself

[@kuromew3489]

If you pay attention to comp custom mad 1911 mags and high end bolt guns custom mags the rounds barely fit in there and sometimes hurt to load all the rounds in but I've also seen a few custom mags with tons of room but most the time very tight tolerances so I'd say the recoil and harmonics do heavily effect a mag , i think a heavy spring and good tolerances the mag should run but the bigger you go you can't just keep adding harder springs because it will be impossible to load and you run into other issues with feeding just my thought I think squeezing 30 round mag for 6.5 is possible just will require some time

[@Dennis-vh8tz]

The 6.5 Creedmoor case has less taper than the .308. The longer (higher capacity) the magazine the bigger the effect this will have.

[@Rightnt]

Being from a infringement state, I've never gotten a good look at mags higher then 10 rounds. I can imagine that all the points brought up have some validity and all could be a valid cause and could all be happening at the same time.

[@chaskaryan7228]

I know you've said these 2g ACM videos get less views but I want to say they're my favourite. Nothing backs up an opinion like a proof of concept, and the hypothesis/analysis attached to these videos is a real treat

[@IceWolfLoki]

That barrel really took a pounding on the 3rd stage.

[@sir0herrbatka]

Cool to see that rifle again. It is a clever design.

[@Resident-GunGuy]

Master Chief: I need a weapon. Karl: Say no more.

[@elcidcampeador9629]

Right this way*

[@colinhobbs7265]

Eh, DMR is a UNSC Army weapon and chief spends most of his time with the marines who prefer the Battle Rifle. More of a Noble 6 gun.

[@Resident-GunGuy]

@@colinhobbs7265 you're a little late to the party pal. Halo features a DMR it's called M392.

[@themeatpopsicle]

that case coming out when you dropped the bolt at the 6-rd mag change really surprised me. forgot about the wild ejection system the MDR has

[@stewbacca117]

Still screams shades of the 'Halo DMR' to me. And I want one badly as a result. 🤔🧐🥰😎🤓

[@icyknightmare4592]

The MDR is probably a better gun than the M392 or M395 (7.62x51 and select fire, even though you only ever see it on semi). Small arms tech really stagnated in Halo for hundreds of years.

[@sillylittleowlguy2392]

@@icyknightmare4592 "if it aint broke, dont fix it." but yeah, besides the addition of recoil mitigation systems, electronic activated triggers, in built ammo counters, caseless ammo, rangfinder optics that arent the entire toprail, the ability to somehow cram 32 rounds of 7.62 into a space smaller than modern day 20 rounders, firearms tech kinda stagnated.

[@themastermason1]

@@icyknightmare4592 Medical tech clearly advanced instead with flash-cloning of organs and the eradication of cancer such that it's an obscure disease.

[@MorbidDeath666]

The halo dmr is litteraly a sa80 with some extra bits

[@baker90338]

scott alder I’m afraid not

[@boatrat]

Is it the feed-angle/geometry of the entire cartridge stack (or the follower?) causing a problem in ANY 25-round magazine? Or is it only the polymer feed-lips of the Magpul mags specifically? I'm not particularly trying to defend Magpul... I just want to understand exactly what is the functional root of the issue. E.g., will 25-round Lancer mags work? Will mags of any capacity work as long as they're the straight-body style rather than curved? What's the real cause of the malfunctions?

[@sunny-sq6ci]

i think bullpups in general are more 'sensitive' to magazine feeds.

[@spookyindeed]

Also 6.5 Creedmore has a different shoulder and slightly different taper than 308 Win, which could cause some issues. I haven't really heard of 6.5 CM being used in these sort of fast, high volume of fire environments, so these issues may just be coming to light.

[@konstantinavilov1192]

@@sunny-sq6ci Why should they be more sensitive? I see no mechanical reason for that. The only possible reason is that bullpup platforms are way less mature and "polished" than "standard" platforms like AR15/AK/etc are.

[@chad_8313]

@@konstantinavilov1192 Extreme angled bottlenecks? May be why the 6.5 Grendel has similar issues in the standard AR platform. It seems too finicky. I'd love to get into a 6.5 cartridge, but don't see them reliable. It's almost as if you need a rifle and mag built for them.

[@konstantinavilov1192]

@@chad_8313 The guy above said "BULLPUPS IN GENERAL are sensitive", not "6.5 ammo is sensitive". And I see no reason for bullpup configuration to produce such problems.

[@ThrowingItAway]

I have to say that watching the MDR eject the spent case when dropping the bolt is pretty sexy.

[@PugilistCactus]

"What ammo does this take?" DT: "Yes."

[@DysmasTheGoodThief]

Best comment

[@zakleclaire1858]

Gotta love Desert Tech! They do some real interesting modular designs

[@gabenplznerf1093]

I’ve always rooted for the desert Tech after how responsive they were.

[@generousscout3383]

I always find MDR coverage interesting, and the quirks that come with it. But really cool to hear the non-bullpup guy of the channel call it the best bullpup on the market. Inspires a bit of confidence and might actually get this in the 6.5 now. Thanks for all you do at InRange, guys!

[@Miazger]

6.5 MDR best MDR Yeah muzzle brakes are fine and dandy until you shot insides Could you do a comparison with/without muzzle brake and if you can with suppressor ?

[@valiant545]

Suppressors>flash hiders>muzzle brakes. I can only accept a brake on full power cartridges. Suppressed AR's drive me nuts

[@Mac-pi4cy]

Would it not just be easier and cheaper iif Desert Tech just bit the bullet and employed Karl to sort their guns out pre market release? Just a thought... Also wish we had these instead of SA80 / L98.

[@leathery420]

I bought ammo the other day, and there was 30-06 that was cheaper than any of the .223/5.56 they had. It's nuts.

[@Zajuts149]

I love that you keep shooting bullpups, especially when you don't like them very much. It makes your conclusions more credible. I'm enamored by the concept, but as you have pointed out numerous times, the concept has flaws. I'm curious about magazine capability in 5.56: Does the MDR make it possible to shoot with magazines of a higher capacity than 30 rounds? Have you tried with a drum?

[@sasharudyy3587]

He actually has: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKatp5yuraeEkMU at 3:17 P.S. Damn the gun looks good with that setup

[@nirfz]

What is the problem with clearing malfunctions with other Bullpubs mentioned in the video? As far as i know with the FAMAS, AUG, TAVOR and L85 you can see the same via the ejection port, as you can see with the AR15, AK's ect. So why would it be harder to clear a malfunction with those? I can imagine it be harder with the MDR or the FN P90 due to them beeing more different.

[@thibaultghesquiere]

As someone said here, I'm one of these bullpup fan boys, but god I'm so happy that you finally tested it in 6.5 CM, as it seems this is the cartridge this gun was made for. Thanks for showing us all of that! Keep up the good work!

[@trolltheburrito5123]

wow a 500k rouble build?

[@FirstDagger]

That would be 6600 Dollars (2020-03-09).

[@thibaultghesquiere]

This is a tarkov reference, or I don't know my games

[@alienvalentine]

6:08 I must know where you found that Heaven's Gate Away Team Morale Patch. It's hilarious

[@tstststs]

This is what I found creatorsanddestroyers.bigcartel.com/product/away-team-replica-patch

[@thibaultghesquiere]

Can someone explain me what this patch means? I googled it and only found some info on a religious cult group, and a group suicide, I guess I'm missing something! (I'm French, so that might explain my ignorence)

[@Kindhamster]

@@thibaultghesquiere Heaven's Gate is a weird cult that committed group suicide many years ago (as I'm sure you read). They believed that by committing suicide when they did that they'd be transported up to a comet that was passing by. They left behind one or two people to continue spreading the message (for when the comet comes by next I guess). The joke is that if you're living on Earth still you're on the "away" team because the "home" team is all living together in space.

[@agustinperretta1043]

Same, I would like some kind of explanation since I never heard of it and now I'm interested

[@jenkinsonian]

Desert dpm and a slightly unreliable bullpup? Welcome to the British army life.

[@YeeLeeHaw]

It wasn't unreliable though, it was the mags.

[@Sableagle]

@@YeeLeeHaw Hey, unreliable mags are a part of British army life, too.

[@Rhynome]

@James Harding what happened to the front, exactly?

[@Sableagle]

Never had the front fall off, but someone did lose the bolt release catch (and part of a tooth) once. You know that bit above the mag well on an AR-15 that you push *in* to release the bolt assembly? On an L85, it's pushed *down* and apparently not very well attached to the part inside.

[@Rhynome]

@James Harding well wasn't it built so that the front doesn't fall off?

[@infidel66687]

With a 2,000-3,000 round barrel life on 6.5CM this is going to get real expensive real fast

[@mattfleming86]

"Barrel Life" metrics are usually based on a gun holding .25moa-.75moa (or whatever its best accuracy may be). For an environment hitting steel up close, i'd say it may be much less of an issue. Biggest part will be making shots count to keep barrel temp down.

[@infidel66687]

@@mattfleming86 true, but those groups are going to open up fast. 6.5 CM main advantage is its accuracy especially at long range. With a burned out barrel its trash.

[@thepinkplushie]

@James Harding quite a bit, I'd think, as barrel life is as much to do with stress (heat and fouling) as it is with pure round count. So long as you temper your expectations I'd imagine these barrels could perform well past their expected lifespan

[@The_PotionSeller]

2-3K is a super low estimate. 7k should be more in line, and if you can afford 7k of 6.5, saving for another barrel shouldn't be too much of an issue

[@KyussTheWalkingWorm]

@@The_PotionSeller Yeah that's like the estimate people used to give for hot .260 Remington in the past. 6.5 Creedmoor's sharper shoulder angle and slightly lower case volume should increase barrel life, especially if you're not expecting benchrest competitive accuracy and shooting factory ammo.

[@rileyschultz5608]

With your comment about muzzle brakes (on smaller intermediate cartridges) being unnecessary, would you include the stock AK-74 brake in that category? I was under the impression that it was a benefit to that rifle. Is it simply because they are disruptive to shooters alongside you, or are there other aspects of brakes that you find undesirable?

[@rjmaksym7692]

50 years from now in the fifth call of duty modern warfare reboot someone is going to say the animation for the mdr is wrong because a case ejects during chambering of a fresh mag

[@antonantolick5688]

I've been looking into this gun and was literally just thinking what it would be like in 6.5 CM. Creepy lol, you guys are awesome.

[@Eric-ed1zl]

Hello, i am not some fanboy screechingy, yet i still feel like you have never given the aug/stg-77 the credit it deserves. I myself have never had any problems with the aug, and i believe that it would be great for three gun. (In my country this is not a thing)

[@MontanaCheeky]

Great to see another desert tech video. It's been interesting watching about the rifles since your first tests and the open dialogue between DT and the public.

[@FromMyBrain]

The magpul bipod always looked heavy, been on the fence about it since it came out...

[@Pyreleaf]

Isn’t most Magpul stuff in polymer? Should be lightweight.

[@1891shooter]

It’s actually really lightweight, but I broke mine. They’re not really made to lean into

[@Porty1119]

They're not that heavy. My fiancee has one on her carbine and we are NOT gentle with our gear; remains to be seen if it will hold up long-term.

[@windstormscr3222]

Considering that the magazine issue is not unique to the MDR (it happens with AR10s and other platforms that use the SR25 pattern magpul 25 mags for 6.5CM) I have a feeling the remedy there is simply magpul doing what they did with 5.56 vs 300 blk and just making a dedicated magazine to fix the issue.

[@ericn7677]

Oh Karl, no spinner. I was so hoping to see the 6.5 C against one. My mag malf detector was going off but then you mentioned the gas setting. I thought 'Karl knows the ropes' but turns out my guess seemed to be correct. Is there a fix or are you stuck with 20 round mags until they make a 25 that works?

[@Mrwednesday84]

I was wanting the 25 round mag, but I am worried. I hope it gets fixed.

[@fish7598]

How does a 5.56 MDR stack up against something like a AR-15 on time trials? Is there a significant difference in speed on CBQ style matches? And does it have better long range capability then a standard configuration rifle (like an AR-15)? I'm really curious to know if a best-of-breed bullpup is competitive with standard configuration rifles and carbines at short range stuff, and noticeably better at long range shooting, or is it just good "for a bullpup".

[@sethrad8626]

Karl…after seeing several reviews, including yours a few years ago, I purchased an MDRX in 223 Wylde since shortly❤ after introduction. Since then, because I enjoyed it so much, I’ve sold off my AR15’s. A short while later I purchased a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel. Enjoyed that so much I purchased another frame and then had two MDRX’s. Some days at the range I shoot them both. Got rid of my AR10. Heck, had so much fun with my MDRXs, I ordered a 300 Blackout and got rid of my AR9 pistol. I’ve built a nice little collection of MDRXs. Me…I see myself as a protector, not a collector. I’ve learned in life that learning one weapon system incredibly well is a good thing. I have no problems with any of these MDRXs. You learn how to use them and maintain them, and they just run.

[@mortcs]

I would love to see the keltech RDB go head to head with the MDR. ETA. Check out the vortex strike eagle low power variable optic, the glass is much better than the primary arms optic.

[@InrangeTv]

We already have an old review of that optic on the channel, and I hate it too. Lol

[@anomilumiimulimona2924]

@@InrangeTv what about a MDR, RFB comparison?

[@dancarlson4779]

Anybody see what kind of mask he’s wearing? It looks like a Pride mask but I can’t see the emblem on the front. I’m genuinely curious!

[@mountaingiant6564]

This is union of farmers mask.

[@johncashwell1024]

I have a couple of the Magpul Bipods, 1 black and 1 FDE, and I am impressed with them. For a $100 you get a Made in The U.S.A. bipod that is lightweight, very well made and looks & feels solid. The price is perfect. Anything less expensive is either foreign or has too much going on with springs and bits that stick out and get hung up on anything. There are other well made, slim, made in the U.S. bipods but they are far more expensive. Magpul really has a winner here, so much so that that finding one in stock can take you on quite the journey!

[@thekole8314]

Personally i wouldnt buy one. Not just because of its 3150€ pricetag but the weird/sketchy owners of the company

[@Chu466]

Dang, if I didnt have enough respect for you now you have the balls to show a pride mask. You sir are amazing.

[@EnglishPersonAnon]

Especially when holding a rifle financed by a group with little love for the Pride movement! (Or any form of diversity I've been able to identify)

[@mrmtn37]

The spent cases discharge in such a pleasantly neat little pile. That is impressive for such a powerful round. Not a fan of Bullpup designs, the MDR in competent hands is a least developing some curiosity. Helluva nice, functional, modular, and accurate rifle.

[@random.3665]

Tired of your old 5.56 ammo? Try the new 6.5 Creedmoor. It fires 3x as much bullet per bullet!

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

Haha this gun just sucks

[@acrosome99]

Interesting. Too bad the company is owned by the Kingston family.

[@sab3re]

Is his mask a gay flag?

[@Alyeska23]

Karl with nice things to say about a bullpup? It really must be the end of the world.

[@JinKee]

Why isn't this in the competition for the Army's next combat rifle?

[@daskalbdashupfte]

Whats that emblem on Carls mask? I know what the rainbow means, but i have never seen that emblem.

[@nexviper]

Voodoo Authentica New Orleans

[@Isaaclichtenstein]

what does the rainbow mean?

[@daskalbdashupfte]

@@Isaaclichtenstein en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_%28LGBT%29?wprov=sfla1 But maybe im interpeting too much into this and it's just rainbow🤷‍♀️

[@tax274]

@@tray-oq1nj It means heaven's gate, like his shoulder patch. Also don't let twitter convince you that gay/trans people are much different from normal people.

[@Shilnath]

This just goes to show that most malfunctions are magazine related in some way or other.

[@FinnishComrade]

Really intrigued by this calibre in a combat weapon. 5.56 doesn't have the armor penetration, 7.62 doesn't have the flat trajectory.

[@FinnishComrade]

@@Hansengineering Not "enough" But it does perform better than 5.56 or 7.62x39

[@forrest225]

@@FinnishComrade the problem is that level IV armor will stop 30‐06 AP. So really anything less than that really isn't going to make much difference. It will of course defeat cover like walls or sheet metal better.

[@FinnishComrade]

@@forrest225 If I need to defend this country from an attacker, they will have bodyarmor but not that much or that good. 7.62 is obsolecent and 5.56 is not a good direction to head, so I see the future in 6.5

[@FinnishComrade]

@@Hansengineering The point is not to pierce high tec body armour, but to deliver more kinetic energy than 75gr 5.56. So that the hits made would better suppress the enemy in question. And to provide better carrying and shooting characteristics than the current 7.62.

[@RalphReagan]

Let me know when it's in .45-70. :)

[@seraph045]

Would have liked to have seen this in person rather than [REDACTED] at a shotgun match! That thing is super cool and I’m glad you found a way to get it to function reliably. I always thought the 6.5mm calibers were underrated. With 20 round mags and a better optic that thing will be good from CQB to long range!

[@thomass647]

I really want one but man their whole connection to the Kingston family cult is a hard pass. (One of the sons is the owner of DT)

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

What are you referring to?

[@er98ah]

WALTERBROADDUS google It

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@er98ah not quite a answer.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@theduck17 What does religion have to do with gun design?

[@kevinjohnston6605]

John Browning was a Mormon too.... I'm sure you guys use his designs??

[@rowdyzack5914]

6.5 Creedmoor geometry is problematic for semi-autos.

[@boatrat]

I was asking to better understand the mag-related malfunction issue in another comment. Can you explain more in detail what exactly is the nature of the problem? Is it the different case shoulder on a 6.5 Crdm. not feeding right from mag. feed-lips designed for the .308 case? I.e., would slightly redesigned 6.5-specific mags solve this?

[@RichardCasto]

I am also curious as to this comment as well. My perception is that it can be more about difficulties in taking something that was maybe optimized for 308 and then expecting 6.5CM to drop in without any adjustment or changes. For example running a 6.5CM in a large frame AR, you will find that tweaks to things like buffer weight, buffer spring, gas system (more than just gas block adjustments) may be needed. But once done, the guns will run fine. None of that (to me) is related to cartridge geometry. The largest geometry issue is the longer bullets that are commonly used and potential desire to handload them to an OAL that is not compatible with magazines designed with 308 in mind. So you may end up picking a shorter OAL that is not ideal for accuracy, but is more suited toward feeding reliability. I expect all factory 6.5CM ammo is at an OAL that this should not result in magazine issues. Given what Desert Tech is doing, I am not surprised that the gun is not 100% when using different cartridge combinations. Especially given such as complex feed/ejection system. Guns designed for a single cartridge can be optimized for that cartridge.

[@rowdyzack5914]

@@RichardCasto This answer is probably correct, I am repeating what smarter people have said :) But I will add that the 6.5cm wears out barrels pretty fast.

[@wewlad5643]

@inrangetv Larue makes a QD mount for Magpul bipods.

[@icearcher2936]

Have you had any experience with the 1-6 acss, If so how was the eyebox on that?

[@drmaudio]

Heavy for caliber .308 (175s for instance) can be problematic in the Magpul 25 round mags in any rifle. Magpul make a M118LR version of their 25 round mag that is said to solve this problem. I purchased a few to see if this would fix that issue with my 6.5 Creedmoor AR10, but haven't had a chance to try it yet.

[@raptor15sc]

Narrator: "It did not match color."

[@Phil_1909]

Honestly, I have to admit the Desertech is a more sexy gun, but my AUG A3 with the brass deflector is waaaaay more reliable and not as picky with mags & gas settings.

[@semibreve]

Honestly this gun its so cool. I'm glad to see it representing what a good bullpup can actually be like

[@Daemascus]

Looks like another reminder to test your match setup as you will use it. Even if it is something as small as a different magazine it seems.

[@SlavicCelery]

Your comment on the 5.56 muzzle brakes needs to be taken more seriously from a bunch of the AR Bros at ranges. Good lord, I've been in outdoor ranges with someone next to me destroying any attempt at focus due to the excessive concussive forces from his brake. Seriously, 5.56 doesn't have recoil to begin with (even without anything). I mean technically yes it does, but it's super mild. I understand for places where their laws are draconian *Cough CALIFORNIA cough*. But, why anywhere else? It just batters anyone next to you on the range. It just makes me pull out a Mosin to share the blast with them.

[@jigglypiggly]

Just got a MDRX in. 308 with a 5.56 conversion kit (side eject) inbound. Very surprised with recoil from 308 vs my SCAR17 definitely more but not as bad as I've online.

[@_malprivate2543]

What is that patch on Karl's left sleeve?

[@maxjones503]

Seems like it would make a pretty good home defence rifle in 5.56 with a suppressor.

[@DJLEOdamadprofessor]

Exciting MDR it’s gonna have issues I’m sure.

[@Soravia]

Give us accuracy tests. Is desert tech going to release 24"-26" 6.5 Creedmoor barrel?

[@mattclark1429]

I just want to say thank you for being honest and forthcoming with information on all aspects considered. I own a 1-6 ACSS and have found it to be adequate. I'm wondering if putting a other 2X into the same optic has made the platform " less useful".

[@turb0b0ytim]

i want an MDR mucho

[@austin0351]

Walmart (if you can stomach the idea of buying ammo from them) sometimes has 60rd boxes of Winchester 6.5mm 125 grain for approximately 40-45$. Not exactly pre Coof 5.56 prices but it does make those 6.5 pews hurt the wallet a bit less.

[@zoomzoom3950]

Good review. It seems Desert Tech is getting through their old issues; cost is close to the Tavor X95. I think of 6.5 Creedmoor as long range round, what is the barrel length? I also like bullpups, I have 5.56 and 7.62 NATO bullpups. This is on my list, but so is the MRAD given the various long range calibers available. Looking forward to your MDR 6.5 long range video.

[@Vespuchian]

What's this about an ammunition shortage (sorry for being late to the party)? I assume production has just slowed considerably as the factories have implemented changes to halt/reduce odds of transmission, or has there been a glut of purchases recently?

[@InrangeTv]

Social panic attacks and people who don't know how to use a gun buying them en masse and consuming ammunition in the process, along with apocalypse hoarding. Essentially a worse version of the endless cycle we've been in since 2008.

[@Vespuchian]

@@InrangeTv Oh dear, it was as bad as I feared. Thanks for the prompt response, by the way.

[@ColburnFreml]

Look, Karl made an EM2.

[@MateO__123abc]

Hi Karl. In this video you said that this rifle is one of the best bullpup rifles. I am from Croatia. I would love to hear your opinion on the Croatian rifle (HS product) VHS 2. I hope you will make a video about this rifle one day. Maybe even comparison video .

[@5RWill]

Did y'all see Cold Bore Miracles video with his MDRX chambered in 6mm ARC? It's whole heartedly impressive for such a small package.

[@SnoutBaron]

Just wanted to say hi. Hello.

[@InrangeTv]

Hi.

[@shadowabsol]

Well hi there. I hope you’re having a great day

[@travisbishop782]

Hello!

[@mw4222]

It's interesting to see tho how sensitive the MDR was to overgasing. Any guesses as to why that is? My guess is that the bolt travel is too short for the longer cartridges and more gas means the bolt bounces back too soon.

[@scottsaylors1996]

Steyr aug with corvus brass deflector is better. You can id malfunctions, shoot from both shoulders, and it’s incredibly accurate

[@justinrojas3289]

Bro I’m not gay but the fact you rocked the gay pride mask 😷 and patch ...Mad respect ✊

[@NinjaMouse44]

yes boys and girls, this is why each and every magazine for serious intents must be proved ...ALL OF THEM

[@mrfrosty3]

The shooting channels I watch regularly are all very enthusiastic about the 6.5 and 6mm cartridges particularly for long range precision. That MDR looks so much better and more practical with the longer handguard.

[@vector3647]

The 6.5 CM seems to be one of, if not the best balance of accuracy, kinetic punch, capacity, and acceptable recoil available today.

[@JorandyYT]

Does anyone know if this is the COD modern warfare 2019 sniper rifle HDR??

[@noneed4sleep64]

Nope, but it is the gun carried by the guy on the “quick play” icon iirc

[@QVTom]

A taller scope mount will do wonders for you ability to get your eye aligned with a not so friendly eyebox. It's difficult to convince people that need to get the scope as close to the bore is counter productive most of the time and definitely a no no with a bullpup. I love the 6.5 bullpup concept; great video.

[@xelacrypt]

omg is it a heavens gate patch? i just velcroed one on my jacket like 40mins ago :DDD

[@M0torsagmannen]

as someone out of the loop, why are you guys doing heavens gate relate stuff? i assume it is toungue in cheek and not completely sincere following of the suicide cult beliefs, just curious why it is a thing really.

[@xelacrypt]

@@M0torsagmannen well I myself have a weird fascination with culty stuff since my childhood. My mom dug a lot of esoteric things, ive spent my teens amongst a bunch of quasi-religious fellows, reading the soft-cover literature they release. i smelled bullshit right away, but now i get a nostalgic/aesthetic feel when i interface with stuff like that. also my gf is an ex-cult member :)) the humorous moment with havens gate for me is that i am a sorta-webdesigner, and they got their cash by designing for early web. Here though i feel strong Waco vibes since its a similar cultural layer somewhat ( at least for me living in eastern europe) by the way check out waco-themed songs "1969 in the sunshine" and "in a beauteful place out in the country " by boards of canada - both of them feature some branch davidian references

[@johncashwell1024]

Barrel killer! Just kidding, everyone does that sometimes, especially when using optics & on the clock. Heck, I have done it off the clock & with iron sights! Great video Karl!

[@allenjohnson5651]

I see the latest MDR (per the Desert Tech website) has an optional, reversible (left or right) side (not forward) ejection. Ian should be thrilled! It's less expensive and simpler. What could be better than this. BTW, if this was chambered in .260 Rem, the 25 round P-Mags WOULD work since the 260 is, simply, the 7.62 NATO/.308Win. necked down; same body taper & rim to shoulder dimensions. Perhaps that barrel is also forthcoming? Also a 243 Win. w/ 1:7" twist? Or 6mm Creedmore?

[@moosemaimer]

I have the 1-6x version of that optic, and while I originally had it on that same mount, I found it was much easier to use with the cantilevered mount that holds it further forward.

[@azilla04]

By geometry they mean they made it wrong.. Yeah regular .308 Pmags are really short. Magpul had to make a special 25 rd. Pmag for M118LR which has a COAL of 2.82+. I measured a Lancer L7 @ 2.84 and an ASC @ 2.86.

[@ryanwillmon7689]

Is that a pride mask?

[@neverskipslegday7118]

Do you think the 25 round mag problem will be fixed with the Wolverine? I commented on one of DT’s videos asking if 25’s and or drums will work but i got no response

[@Gerwulf97]

This is what bullpups are for! Full rifle length barrels in a short carbine size. There's an ergonomically optimal overall length range somewhere near 30 inches or so. In a standard rifle, you only get that in a collapsed carbine or an SBR, and then your ability to not only hit but also have acceptable terminal performance at ranges beyond even 200m for some cartridges is unacceptable. This is where the bullpup shines. It gives one full capability at required infantry engagement ranges while also being very easy to carry for long periods of time, have the rifle shouldered for long periods of time, move through buildings unimpeded by length, move through woods without getting your rifle snagged on vegetation due to length, and be good for mechanized/motorized roles. Having a carbine barrel length or shorter in a bullpup for CQBs sake kinda takes away the point. If it really needs to be that short, plenty of standard configed rifles with cartridges like 7.62x39/6.8/6.5 Gren/.300 BLK and a short barrel are plenty adequate. However, a carbine length barrel for being a suppressor host is a different story as you Karl have shown that to be a good reason in previous videos. Glad you're finding this bullpup superb and optimal in this setup and standing with/beating 5.56 AR's so readily. Karl, have you ever taken a look at the K&M M17S? Specifically in 308? With it's 3.5lb crisp competition trigger, great balance, and low recoil for a .308, it eliminates the remaining "inherent" issues with bullpups that no other bullpup has really done. It doesn't have nearly the same support and flexibility of many rifles such as the MDR, but with some improvements, it could contend with the MDR and beat it in someways at the very least. It'd be cool to see you do a video on it, and mud test it too!

[@oso1165]

This exact setup would probably be a better "scout" gun than 90% of the "scout" guns out there lol

[@almostontimehero5415]

The MDR is almost the perfect bullpup but it isnt there yet. It has minor problems that I havent had in 1.5k rounds of my m16a1 retro. At $2k asking price, MDR should at least match the consistency of $1000 ARs. Thats why I havent jumped at the MDR with a credit card.

[@godfroi10991]

I have to humbly disagree, I think the best Bullpup in 5.56 currently on the market is the Lithgow Arms F90. Its modular design allows you to switch configurations on the fly, plus the Australian Army has put it through the ringer and it's survived the Grunts abuse. Just my opinion, and I'd say things will be different when chambered in 6.5...

[@thomassmith7451]

Which of the 1-8 scopes did you get? they make a couple. First focal or second? I ask because I have the 1-6 First focal with the 5.56/.308 reticle on my 6.5 Grendel and love it. On the other hand I'm always interested in better optics (that I can afford).

[@009013M3]

I have a couple generations older Primary Arms 1-8x24 on my CETME right now. For the price you can't do better, BUT it has to be said there's not much else in that price range. You either undercut it a little bit and definitely feel the drop in quality, or you've gotta double what you spent or more. The eyebox issue is real though, and it is *rough*.