Designing a Roster for Pokkén Tournament 2!

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You remember Pokkén Tournament, right? The surprise Pokémon fighting game made by several of the Tekken developers? With the epic combat that felt like battles from the anime in video game form? That managed to find a niche despite starting out exclusive to a dying arcade scene then released on the also dying Wii U before getting a foothold with a Switch port? The game has such a positive reception among Pokémon fans--even those who never played it--that you'd think a sequel would be a no-brainer! Yet after all this time, no such thing has seen the light of day.
But what if it did happen?
Let's take a deep dive on exactly what Pokkén Tournament 2 (or whatever name it got) could be like! Including an expanded roster that builds off the original game, with a detailed list of 20 newcomers (featuring popular requests, deep cuts, and a couple oddball picks) conveying why they'd be worthy choices and how they could play!
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Support via Patreon at: / delzethin
Graphic design by Voyager: / fire_voyager
Graphic design by Slink: / ashadowlink
Post-production assistance by Neoxon: / neoxon619
Additional Sources:
(Screencaps for various moves, stats, and other details taken from Bulbapedia and Smogon)
Article on Pokkén Sequel Talk (Nintendo Life): www.nintendoli...
Phase Shift Mechanics (Pokkén Tournament Wiki): pokken.fandom....
Pokémon Series Total Sales (Video Game Sales Wiki): vgsales.fandom...
(For video sources, check the pinned comment! Too many to place here without running out of available space.)

[@Delzethin]

Video sources, since there wasn't enough space for them in the description: Pokémon: Johto League Champions - Smeargle Art (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3PHY6d7f5irrck Pokémon Journeys: The Series - Evolution of Goh’s Scorbunny (Netflix After School): kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6Scqmxua6ecl6s Pokémon Journeys: The Series - Gengar vs. Mienshao (via Juzzt Pokémon): kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3KzoZicmJxph9U Pokémon Journeys: The Series - Goh’s Absol-utely Devastating Eruption (Netflix After School): kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZbbeWaYl8edipo Pokémon Legends: Arceus - All Cutscenes (Mixeli): kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoucZXqjmt-grbc Pokémon: Paldean Winds - Episode 1 (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6qwqYSiYrWYgKc Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon - Ash’s Rockruff Evolves (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYXCk6qgjquSgck Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon Ultra Legends - Bewear vs. Pheromosa (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2qvloyJlJKMnbs Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon Ultra Legends - Lycanroc vs. Lycanroc (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnTLqZqKa8Sqg8k Pokémon the Series: XY - Hawlucha vs. Spritzee (via Pokémon Battle Royale): kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKnGY4J-e6eEepI Pokémon the Series: XYZ - Greninja vs. Charizard (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4bYd5-tpqmsepI Pokémon Scarlet/Violet - Kleavor Gameplay (PIMPNITE): kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKbJfqCvp52pntE Pokémon Scarlet/Violet - Roaring Moon Gameplay (Scooteezy): kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIWzpnt9ic1moNk Pokémon Scarlet/Violet - Smeargle Gameplay (THATSAplusONE): kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5-6laiDl8imecU Pokémon Scarlet/Violet - Smeargle Sketch Guide (RTG): kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3OsaaSuq52Yr7s Pokémon Scarlet/Violet - Zacian Gameplay (WolfMonsterTamer): kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5aZaqiPf7RgmpY Pokémon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon - All Ultra Beast Locations (Zephiel810): kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3-reqOce86JhZY Pokémon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon - Pheromosa Battle (Rubycario): kzbin.info/www/bejne/roe7dGWBYtp3qqM Pokémon Sword/Shield - All Gigantamax Moves (ProsafiaGaming): kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHu8lp13paxojM0 Pokemon Sword/Shield - Cinccino Gameplay (Pokemon Speshel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/inybi6Njpd5jhJo Pokémon Sword/Shield - Mienshao Gameplay (Emeraldminer): kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJCWiYGDocuji9E Pokémon Sword/Shield - Mienshao Gameplay (UltimateNinjaSensai): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aICYmp2dhd12i7M Pokémon Sword/Shield - Zacian & Zamazenta Boss Fights (Mixeli): kzbin.info/www/bejne/invYeKJvrcypZ80 Pokémon Unite - Absol Character Spotlight (Pokémon Unite Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYi4ZXeBetVpZ7s Pokémon Unite - Cinematic Trailer (via Gamespot Traliers): kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYepn4N-rqashsk Pokémon Unite - Meowscarada Reveal Trailer (Pokémon Unite Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4W8aJSrrrWChNE Pokémon Unite - Zacian Character Spotlight (Pokémon Unite Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWLCpKVqa8ucpKc Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness - Walkthrough, Part 2 (WishingTikal): kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2q1foOrhM2Fmqc Pokkén Tournament - 2018 NA International Grand Finals (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqnRi2aIltBmptk Pokkén Tournament - 2018 PWT Grand Finals (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJyyoZePd6qUhpo Pokkén Tournament - 2022 NA International Grand Finals (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIC7eWRmp8Sqe6c Pokkén Tournament - 2022 PWT Masters Division Grand Finals (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ-sq517qrSIr9k Pokkén Tournament - 2022 PWT Masters Division Winners’ Finals (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGWYkKGtm7KbhZI Pokkén Tournament - 2022 PWT Seniors Division Grand Finals (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpSokpp8ga6qfLM Pokkén Tournament (DX) - All Characters (MrBassline): kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoPLnXxmoaZqjs0 Pokkén Tournament - All Support Pokémon (U.D Playthroughs): kzbin.info/www/bejne/noTcpGCmh62reqM Pokkén Tournament - Arcade Version Gameplay (TheGamingOtter): kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZiZpIueq9OXo8U Pokkén Tournament - Character Customization (NintenU): kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHqsqI2mqZeHj80 Pokkén Tournament - First Look Trailer (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmimpGeCZq90grs Pokkén Tournament - Intro Cinematic (Pokémon Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnnYm62DeNpmiK8 Pokkén Tournament - Scizor Move List (BLUELINKBR): kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmitgqlpfrecopI Pokkén Tournament - Story Mode, Part 1 (HeroVoltsy): kzbin.info/www/bejne/hanaqWyBbpesiZo Pokkén Tournament - Story Mode, Part 11 (HeroVoltsy): kzbin.info/www/bejne/fafGnZx8att8mdU Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U - Greninja Reveal Trailer (Smash Bros. Official Channel): kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnatc4ODmMeFoc0 Tekken 8 - Arcade Mode Playthrough (XGAMER 744): kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYbVqaWeqsysha8 Tekken 8 - All Stages (BOFs): kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4Glgqejj5iLidk Tekken Tag Tournament - Sodam vs. Chipzhut First-to-10 Set (PlayBookLounge) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIiypH96mpqKaac

[@JohnMartin-ll9cw]

To me, the Season 2 choices would consist of the returning Blastoise, Hisuian Decidueye, Okidogi, Tyranitar, and Zygarde.

[@jaredstivers]

Also, you forgot Scale Shot for Kommo-o. Plus, i like a Idea of the Boss DLC Shadow Lugia, Regigigas, probably Kyurem Black, Zygarde Complete, Necrozma(Ultra), Shadow Rider Calvrex, and Ogerpon. The one with combined powers. Regigigas represent gen 3 and 4 nicely. My dlc to 50 Fighters Dlc pack 1 Empoleon and Feraligatr Finishes Starters 2 waters DLC Pack 2 Aegislash and Eelektross DLC Pack 3 Drillbur and Croagunk DLC Pack 4 Ribombee and Perrserker DLC Pack 5 Kingambit and Annihilape DLC Pack 6 Incineroar and Rillaboom DLC Pack 7 Urshifu and Ogerpon DLC Buying pack Gholdengo

[@unbind_all]

An understated part of Pokkén’s roster is that a lot of Pokémon’s animations take from Tekken characters. Pikachu doing Mishima-style karate most famously, but there’s also Charizard doing Devil Jin and True Ogre moves, Garchomp taking from Bryan Fury and Dragunov, and so on. With that in mind, I’m sure a lot of picks for a Pokkén 2 would go a similar route, such as Incineroar using stuff from Armor King, a very Kuma-coded Bewear, or the most obvious pick ever, Hitmontop just straight-up being Eddy Gordo.

[@IdeaBox-dk5vj]

How about Kangaskhan behaving like Roger and/or Roger Jr.?

[@crispycol4904]

Bewear would be a lovely inclusion

[@Neoxon619]

Greninja could very easily take from the Ravens & Victor (who's also a Raven, but still).

[@Delzethin]

I knew about the Tekken references, but I didn't want to choose newcomers _based_ on who could be counterparts to Tekken characters. I think the roster would've been less interesting if I had! Still plenty of room for the newcomers I chose to have a few iconic Tekken moves in their sets--if the first game's devs could make Pikachu of all things fight like a Mishima, there's no need to be so restrictive.

[@xavierwalko4175]

Zacian is added to the list Competitive: *Nervous sweating*

[@chimuoma390]

Pokken 2 Vs Digimon Battle Spirit 2!KaiserGreymon VS Zacian Crowned!Dragon Slash VS Behemoth Blade!Who Wins!

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

​@@chimuoma390 S H U T

[@Delzethin]

If I were the devs, I'd throw in a cheeky reference or two to Zacian's competitive reputation. The strongest parts of the moveset could feel restrained animation-wise, as if Zacian is intentionally holding back to make it a fairer fight.

[@Oreca2005]

@@Delzethinhey at least violet nerf the heck out of it Now then If they only nerf a certain stupid horse

[@somersaultinggiraffe1901]

Mega Rayquaza assist lookin real fine rn

[@RagdollArtwork]

One thing I'd love to see is more Pokemom that aren't humanoid or quadrupeds. Chandelure was a bold choice by making a fighting game character out of a chandelier, and I'd LOVE to see what other movesets the devs could come up with for other such unusual designs. One I've had in my head for a while thanks to a chat with a friend is Ferrothorn. It could use its vine-clubs to throw its body around as a weapon, creating a pokemon that's normally slow but packed to the brim with burst movement options by literally swinging itself around the field. On an unrelated note, you have a voice perfect for narrating a documentary about how candy is made, and I do mean that in the best way possible.

[@nickdoermann4206]

I totally agree. One I like to think about is Crawdaunt. A heavyweight lobster with slow power attacks would be so much fun.

[@Rexred09]

What about Galvantula?

[@the3dluxe53]

I know it’s another gen 1 mon but I think Muk would unironically make for an interesting fighter. He could collapse into a puddle of sludge and move around while low profiling a lot of moves.

[@ArceusDX]

The thing Pokken 2 would need most, is better English voice acting than the first game

[@chimuoma390]

I Want Arceus And Chronomon HM In A DigiPokken Crossover Fighting Game!Don't You,ArceusDX?!Judgment VS Holy Flare!Hyper Beam VS Corona!Roar Of Time VS Chrono DSR!

[@galaxykitsune]

Nia’s voice actor performed so bad… it was genuinely painful

[@Delzethin]

Not a difficult bar to clear, to be fair. And if New Snap is any precedent, Bamco could pull it off without much trouble.

[@Sato-Juno]

"What. Do you. Mean?" Read that in the voice of Nia

[@SuperFlashDriver]

@@chimuoma390I can actually see that happening considering bandai was the one who created Digimon, and Namco being the one whom create the Pac-Man, Galaga, Pole Position, and Tekken series in the first place (They also did SoulCalibur as well and they can borrow move sets from that franchise as well), it'd be very interesting to see Digital Monster characters (filling up the other 35 slots in the rooster with 35 from the Pokemon series as well. But I would definitely say that either the 30th anniversary or 40th anniversary of either franchise (One in 1996 and the other in 1998/1999), I could definitely see this happening at some point in the future. But I do think they have to get Pokken Tournament off the ground first before they dive straight with Digimon in a separate mode (maybe an unlockable one if you ask me).

[@Da_Dr]

I know this would be a really weird, almost joke character, but I think playing as Pyukumuku and fighting the opponent with its massive hand would be incredibly fun

[@ripzaurus]

Ye, could be fun. Maybe super strong and long-ranged attacks but you need to also use the hand to move around as a drawback. So you would need to juggle parkouring through the map and attacking.

[@Neoxon619]

While I understand that you swapped them out for a regional variant, I still feel like Scizor is popular enough to justify keeping around. Likewise, I’m not sure they’d go *as* wild with the story as you’re suggesting here. But I could see something along those lines working in a SF6 World Tour mode kind of way. As an aside, I’m surprised you didn’t include Incineroar as the heel to Hawlucha’s face. That feels like a rivalry match waiting to happen.

[@B0BBYJ4CK]

Pokken is a fighting game where all the characters feel unique and (IMO) shouldn't be scrapped. Characters like Crogunk, Libre, and Shadow Mewtwo are well-designed fighters and it would be disheartening to remove them.

[@Mr.Cynical]

Yeah, the Scizor part was really my only big issue here. I get wanting a regional variant of some kind, but Scizor is not only one of, if not, the best Bug-types to exist, but it was pretty alright in the game itself. I can understand a fair bit of his cuts, but Scizor is the only one that I feel is truly a miss step.

[@Rexred09]

That one really hurt me, considering that Scizor is my main.

[@domigamerblocktrieon9778]

​To me it would be a waste. I'd rather them just keep all the characters of Pokken 1 and just add to that roster. Like you said, all the characters in Pokken are unique and have well realized and designed gameplay. It would make no sense to just do away with all that. I would say that for Pokken 2 I would take whatever Pokken has or did and just improve upon it and add to it. There's really no need to take away anything.

[@ShinxBOOM247]

Imma be real, as a Scizor enjoyer, I wholeheartedly understand the sentiment of Scizor being a kinda odd exclusion... simultaneously tho, I don't think the people who play Pokken competitively would mind his absense, lul. He's a character a lot of people despise fighting against due to how comically overtuned his counter attack is

[@skele_wave]

Deoxys as a technical stance change fighter. Attack Form: high damage > lowered defenses, Defense Form: high defense > lowered speed, Speed Form: high mobility > lowered attack, and standard form for a balanced default mode of play.

[@PokyDaBesto]

thats what i thought lol. I love deoxys since i read the manga

[@bubbles46853-ep9if]

My smile when Mienshao showed up cannot be understated. And Smeargle sounds awesome as well! And sweet little Cinccino.

[@piercemat331]

Give me Zoroark as a speed class Pokemon

[@itsturniptime3699]

I think relegating Golisopod to an assist is a missed opportunity since the anime shows us how versatile it could be in a fighting game. Liquidation conjures a water katana for it to duel with, it has two giant arms for smashing and blocking attacks, the smaller arms for faster pokes, and the ability to fire pin missiles from the top of their shell like a tiny firework launcher. A giant samurai character with deceptively fast Rushdown options in First Impression and then bailing options in U-Turn make a hit and run style that I think would be extremely interesting.

[@chimuoma390]

Wish Ranamon Was In Digimon Battle Spirit 2!Her Beast Spirit:Calmaramon,And Her Ancient Form:AncientMermaimon!SHE WOULD MURDER GOLISOPOD LIKE THE BUG HE IS!

[@JollyRodger2667]

​@@chimuoma390 literally who asked lmao

[@piercemat331]

And Zoroark, a popular Unovan Pokemon that should have been there

[@SuperFlashDriver]

@@piercemat331 I can see multitude of players picking Zoroark if any dark type Pokemon ever makes it into the game....Gees, it would be the one common fighting Pokemon seen in video game championship games if you ask me.

[@bradysirochman]

I really love the roster for Pokken, it's the perfect match of popular, unique, and crazy.

[@piercemat331]

Unovan Pokemon need to shine, give them Zoroark or a Starter or Vice Versa

[@donaldjgumpofficial5754]

I'd prefer having one starter from each generation instead of giving certain gens two starters and have 3 of each starter type.

[@Sean_Bird]

That’s not a bad approach, I could see that working out well. Under that scenario, I could see Serperior, Decidueye, and Meowscarda repping Grass, Charizard, Blaziken and Cinderace repping Fire, and Feraligatr, Empoleon, and Greninja repping Water.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

Wouldn't be a bad idea, and also, what you mentioned should be something you unlock from the story mode of the game. This way ALL of the starters make it into the game, but you have to play the single player offline Co-Op or 1 player story mode in order to unlock them (similar to how many fighting games used to do that back in the 1990s and early 2000s).

[@crystalpokedude4329]

This is made worse by the fact that he cut Empoleon and just shafted all the Sinnoh starters.

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

You know, I actually have a few Pokken fighter ideas as well… Tyrnanitar Class: Power A huge juggernaut of a Pokémon that fills a similar niche to the play style Blastoise left behind. With probably the highest HP value among the roster, I envision Tyranitar as a counter attack centric brute that has lots of start and end lag on their attacks. But the start lag also has armor, so they live and die by managing their health accordingly and punishing opponents mistakes. Genesect Class: Technical Admittedly, I’m stealing the same kind of gimmick Brawlfan1 made when he created a hypothetical Pokémon unite moveset for Porygon-Z. But I think it works well for them. A zoner that thrives on projectile pressure and analyzing the opponent’s response. But their big gimmick is the form of a move that, if it connects, gives Genesect a stat-buff and/or a new attack based on the data of the enemy. Basically, Genesect changes slightly to better counter the opponent’s class. For example, if they scan data off a power class, they get a little extra health to cope with the gap in strength. Maybe even a move that ignores armor effects. But with “meh” stats outside of the ones that are buffed by the scan and a poor disadvantage state overall. They’re a relatively easy robo-bug to squash if the enemy outsmarts them.

[@Rexred09]

Top tier ideas man.

[@piercemat331]

Zoroark; Class Speed; give him Night Daze as the Burst Finisher

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

@@piercemat331 Honestly, Zoroark seems more like a “Tricky” class Pokémon. Using it’s illusion powers to subtly mask its attack animations and catch opponents off guard with a move they weren’t expecting to get hit by. Or just using moves with similar animations. For example, they’d have a move that acts as a strong sucker punch but long end lag. And one that’s a command grab that only works when the opponent is shielding. The startup animations for both would have minor differences, but be very hard to tell apart. A very strong gimmick, but Zoroark players NEED to mix it up frequently to keep the advantage. If they rely on specific moves too much, it boosts the chances of their rival seeing through the Mudsdale-crap and choking them with their oversized fur-do.

[@piercemat331]

@@rodrickgoldberg2324 Zoroark is a speedster in UNITE and a tricky role does not need to be there, supporters should have been there in the next Pokken game; those who heal, support, or hinder the enemy A reminder that Balanced is white Speed is blue Technique is green and Power is red Talonflame can be a speedy class character, Tsareena speedy, Ceruledge speedy, etc.

[@piercemat331]

We really need more speed class Pokemon in Pokken

[@RenegadeJ.P.]

I really enjoy the inclusion of Cinccino and Dewott. Would probably main them if they were included in a potential Pokken 2. As for what rosters I’d want you to build… I want to see how you’d tackle a Disney fighting game roster, a redone Multiversus roster, and/or a redone Nickelodeon All Star Brawl Roster. Mostly the Disney fighting game roster though, and I suggest including Oswald in that.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

I would have gone with Buzzwole as the ultra best rep. The dude was made for fighting games, and he’s one of the most popular ultra beasts.

[@ZinogreBeam]

Ultra Beasts are starving for reprenstation outside of Gen 7. Buzzwole is already in Unite so I think it's fair for the others to come in and take the spotlight. Then again, I wouldn't mind, I fucking love Buzzwole

[@goGothitaLOL]

Also worth noting that most Pokémon in Pokken have some fitting moves shared by a Tekken character or two they’re taken from, if possible (except Garchomp has Bryan Fury’s moves, Pikachu has EWGF and Dragon Uppercut, Scizor has Jack’s moves, Machamp having King’s moves, etc.)

[@Farzad117]

Machamp should get removed

[@evilyoshimaster]

I feel like while Power seems the most fitting for Tinkaton up front, i'd actually argue for Tricky, using a variety of high hit/blockstun moves with low endlag to combo into it's only high damage attack, Gigaton Hammer. Also, might I suggest a video on a theoretical modern sequel to Sonic the Fighters?

[@ZenithMarshadow]

Marshadow. (This sequel would be the definitive Pokken Tournament experience if I was added to the roster.)

[@chewbacachunks8644]

If it were up to me. I would love to see reuniclus in the game.

[@aknight7642]

Agreed.

[@HectorT52]

Would be cool

[@liammccartney6754]

My unironic top pick

[@Sean_Bird]

Oh, Pokken content? Neat, I’m down for that. I’m betting they’d probably wait until the Switch 2 is ready before announcing a sequel. 2:48 Wait, really?! I didn’t know that. Kinda bites to know that my favorite mon got dropped for the last game. You really did Zamazenta dirty in favor of Zacian once again, poor dog can’t catch a break lol. Overall, a solid roster, nobody here I’d really say doesn’t fit, though I’d maybe drop Meowscarada or Quaquaval in favor of a different Paldea pick, since we already got a lot of starters. My only other complaint is that we could maybe use another bulkier sized Mon on the roster. Of the honorable mentions you showed, Breloom would be my pick, I feel like a lot of fun stuff could be done with their moveset. In terms of other things like this, I wouldn’t mind you trying to theory craft a Fire Emblem fighting game. Maybe something similar to Soul Calibur could work well for that.

[@bbletsplays1130]

...Clodsire, perhaps?

[@SuperFlashDriver]

Dude, upon looking up Namco's old fighting game franchise, SoulCalibur was one of those that was brought up and thought "Man, it would be cool to see some moves brought over from that game, considering it's been 15 years since the last game came out for the franchise, to be brought over into the fighting game."

[@SuperFlashDriver]

@@bbletsplays1130 Man Clodsire included in the fighting game could definitely be similar to Snorlax, in a funny but also very powerful way.

[@WolfDB]

I would love to see Hitmontop as DLC just because one of the costumes for it could be based on Eddie Gordo, who's a huge favorite of a Tekken character (since Hitmontop is based on Capoeira fighters, which is Eddie's fighting style)

[@BigBossMan538]

I like it a lot! I think the cuts are a shame but it’s not a big deal. I’m so happy to see you include Smeargle. I mentioned it on discord and its fighting potential. I can see Heracross as the sumo fighter in this roster. Akin to E Honda and Ganryu. Using arm thrusts, grapples, and tackles for moves. Maybe even a stomp as a low, taunt, and or intro animation. It stomped in Pokemon Stadium 2 when using earthquake in a very sumo fashion, after all.

[@khaos4965]

I understand that having a fairly balanced distribution of all the types would be tricky, especially when it comes to moveset creativity and potential, but having 10 out of 35 playable pokemon be Fighting types feels a bit extreme.

[@PokyDaBesto]

This list looks very interesting! Still there are some pokemon i think that would fit perfectly here: -Incineroar: Hes just built for this. A pokemon that uses wrestling thecniques along with his moves -Deoxys: A potential technical type that can shift into his other forms -Poliwrath: A versatile fighter capable of attacking both close and long range -Inteleon: He would fit both as a tricky or speedster -Urshifu (rapid strike): I decided that rapid strike would be better for this game as there could be more interesting movesets for him than the single strike style -Medicham: Hes very underrated and he would def fit on this with his wide moveset and his mega evo -Alolan sandslash: An ice type speedster more focused into close range -Alolan marowak: I thought it would be cool but idk how to clasify it -Obstagoon: funni shout boy -Hisuian lilligant: Could be similar to quaquaval, but more elegant -Tornadus: I just came up with this one, but the idea of tornadus throwing tornado punches is too cool, also changing to its totem form -Thundurus: Similar to tornadus, but faster

[@FiendKuroCherri]

I could see Rapid Urshifu taking moves from Leroy in particular

[@FiendKuroCherri]

But also since single strike urshifu fighting style is based on bajiquan, it could take moves from Leo, or Julia

[@PokyDaBesto]

@@FiendKuroCherri never played tekken lol

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

I thought of another potential combatant. Though they might be seen as toxic, I tried giving them some big weaknesses to offset their strength… Iron Moth. Class: Tricky. HP: 480 Taking elements from Roaring Moon, Chandelure, Pheremosa, and Cincinno, this observation drone isn’t really designed for head-on combat. But with it’s weapon defense systems and various recorded combat data… It’s able to manage. Knowing the terms “zoning” and “spam” very well, Iron Moth fights nearly exclusively with projectiles. And has the ability to fly nearly freely across the whole arena (with an altitude limit in place to make camping more difficult). Their whole battle style is shooting with projectiles and using special command maneuvers to strategically reposition quickly. Choosing Iron Moth is effectively choosing to play a completely different game. But while their able to defend themselves, this unit was clearly not designed for these operations in the first place for a reason. Iron Moth would have a unique “overheat” meter that fills when using attacks or those command movement options. Fill it too much without giving it time to cool off, and they’ll be vulnerable for a little bit. And if they get even once, they’re locked to ground level temporarily. Throw in the low health pool, their “get off me” tools being restricted by the synergy gauge, and straight up NOT HAVING the ability to grab or block… Iron Moth operators must learn proper resource management calculations and evasive maneuver protocols, or their mission will end in failure. (I took inspiration from Ivan Ooze in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The fighting edition. I wanted to see if I could make a balanced version of his fighting style. How did I do?)

[@Pageturner1]

An interesting idea for Roaring Moon's burst attack could be calling a pack of other paradox pokemon to strike on the opponent, leading to a final strike from Roaring Moon itself. For Iron Valiant's burst, i just imagine them going full Ripper mode on the opponent. the way I see it, if the initial attack connects, we get a POV from Iron Valiant that shows it locking onto the target and unleashing a relentless barrage of slashes. and if it does the killing blow, it's round or game winning animation could show the words "target neutralized" from its POV.

[@omarmendez0402]

Tsarenna, Ampharos & Hitmonchan for Pokken 2

[@B0BBYJ4CK]

Ampharos is a great pick.

[@queentsareena1768]

Tsareena would be amazing.

[@GodOfThings]

On the topic of roster videos, doing one for a hypothetical return of Marvel vs Capcom could be an interesting one, or maybe a hypothetical second attempt at a Castlevania fighting game.

[@MrSupersmash93]

Miles and Kamala would be top picks

[@Neoxon619]

@@MrSupersmash93 They were both almost playable, so that tracks.

[@somersaultinggiraffe1901]

Castlevania Judgement 2 would be peak

[@kdsmogg]

Pokken Tournament still has active online in May 2024, still super fun, and I hope it gets a sequel

[@TimbreWolf64]

FINALLY some quaquaval representation also!!

[@DaveTheDummy120]

I like quaquaval. I agree though, its so underrated!

[@axolotlstudios7918]

Don't get me wrong, quaquaval IS my favorite starter, but I would drop It for fuecoco. It is way more popular and there is a lack of small characters

[@SuperFlashDriver]

@@axolotlstudios7918 Well, as mentioned to another person, you could unlock them via doing the story mode/campaign. Or if Namco and Game Freak want to go down the monetization way, make it available via Downloadable Content and such.

[@rileyloux1491]

Breloom has always been my favorite but people forget *how* he attacks. Those stubby little arms extend out like grappling hooks!! No t-rex arms here! He will get up in your business no matter the distance :)) a speedy show off with some tricks up his sleeve, sending haymaker after haymaker with surprising strength and a diverse set of tools to throw off your opponent, keep your momentum and don’t slow down or else you’ll get squashed. Frail and prone to being kicked around you have to find creative ways to keep on your toes and more importantly, knock your opponents off of theirs!

[@Sato-Juno]

The fangame "PokémonCloseCombat" actually got it right!

[@erensy641]

I think as long as Pokken reuses assets, we're likely to keep all the characters.

[@lnation6429]

I think it would be interesting if Tinkaton had a momentum mechanic so to speak. If you follow up whiffing certain attacks with other certain attacks there will be less startup because tinkaton is using the momentum from the previous swing in the new one. This could help them get in easier and you would have to choose between fast yet predictable follow-ups, or go for a more risky mix.

[@BJGvideos]

I'm just glad Hawlucha is finally there haha. Also excuse you Smeargle's FF class isn't blue mage but pictomancer! How would the time traveler/parallel timeline person get a mon from both past and future? Unless you're implying that this would involve a scenario where both machines led to the same place, which is something I can get behind if only because it means the AIs can meet. But that's not really relevant to the events in Ferrum and just me rambling about the main games.

[@caimn7227]

This selection is interesting, but there is a couple glaring problems with your picks I feel. There were no more zoners/setup characters added to the roster (they’re not everyone’s favorite but they’re a necessary piece), and this list feels in favor of rushdown/standard characters than any role. Also I feel like Darkri and Scizor are popular enough to stick around for Pokken 2, they definitely have their own followings, and have pretty unique kits in the game (Darkri being a setplay demon and Scizor being a heavy mixup character).

[@captainmega6310]

No zoners. Please

[@Arcanist_The]

As a zoner player I do believe the lack of new zoners is justified. One could argue that Pokken 1 favored zoner characters a bit too much, almost every "supernatural" fighter is a zoner and thus that niche is filled well enough, especialy when it comes to it's ghost types. Yeah you could add more zoners but it'd be hard to make them unique as most of them probably would be ghost/psychic/fairy types and thus may be a bit too similar to Gengar, Gardevoir or Chandelure. It's also one of the reasons I suspect Darkrai was cut, alongside the gen 4 bloat the roster suffers from. Heck, it's not like we get no new zoners: if Greninja plays anything like his Smash counterpart, the guys guaranteed to be a zoner/bait and punish hybrid, or at the very least a set up character who can work as a zoner. That's how I play the character at least. With set up characters though, I disagree. The entire tricky class basically set up/mindgame/bait and punish class so all tricky newcomers count as either set-up or mindgame characters if inot both. Meowscarada in particular reads to me as a set-up character, as its who playstyle revolves arouind keeping opponents on. I do agree with there being a bit preference towards rushdowns (and to a lesser extent mixups) and not enough zoners or mindgamers. As someone who tend to play either zoner, mindgame/set-up,b&punish or some kind of hybrid, it is a shame my play-style isn't really catered to. I do agree with hating Darkrai and Scizor being cut: while I understand why they were cut (Scizor was cut to make room for Kleavor while Darkrai was most likely cut due to gen 4 bloat and being too similar to Gardevoir/Gengar to be justified), I'd still like to keep them around for the reasons you stated, especially Darkrai. Honestly, my least favorite thing about the whole roster is how the roster cuts all the post-base game characters that save for Decidueye, while keeps all the base-roster fighters that aren't "original mon do not steal". It makes the base roster vets have a sort of "original 12" type immunity while making post-release additions far more expendable. Yes, many of the base vets are too iconic or unique to be cut, but it still creates this unbalanced bias that spoils the roster for me, ya know. Would've it hurt to cut either Suicune, Sceptile, Garchomp or Weavile if in return we could've kept Scizor, Darkrai, Aegislash or even Croagunk? That would've been a fair trade if you ask me. Having at least one post-launch addition return at the expense of one base-game vet would've made the post-launch cut sting far less, even if most of them still would've been cut.

[@Delcoure.]

I always imagined a game dedicated to starter Pokemon! I think a game like Pokken Tournament would have amazing synergy with them (with dlc being added for the further generations) and that way the picks wouldn't be so obscure. I'm sure many others would love to see there partners fight in a Pokken Tournament styled game!

[@deerking7464]

I always thought that if we got another Pokken, Lokix from Gen 9 would be a really sick addition. A Bug/Dark pokemon with flashy but strong kick attacks to jump around opponents and whittle them down, then finishing them with a flying dive kick super to really make the full callback to the Kamen Rider series and Tokusatsu genre its design was inspired by.

[@EdoNL5446]

Pokken needs a sequel. I hope they are busy making it for the next console

[@dylanrobicheau-rl8pf]

I agree we need a Pokken 2

[@Rexred09]

They arent as of now. But the director of the first one has expressed interest for a sequel.

[@Rexred09]

The pokemon company just needs to give them the signal.

[@NightFreeze9128]

I've never played Pokken, but I've been getting more and more interested to try it out recently. One thing that I feel makes it stand out from other fighting games that your roster doesn't really utilize is the fact that Pokken can introduce fighters with completely non-human body structures and have it make perfect sense. I'm talking stuff like Aegislash and Chandelure, and I feel like your proposed roster doesn't really delve into that concept aside from Chandelure coming back. My personal pick for this would be Glimmora, but I'm biased. Something like Magnezone, Serperior, or Ferrothorn could also work well here.

[@vd8478]

RIP My boy Shadow Mewtwo😢

[@jaredstivers]

Dlc

[@HawaiiTimePodcast]

Bruh rip my girl Pikachu Libre

[@B0BBYJ4CK]

@@HawaiiTimePodcast yeah, I used to not like her for basically being a last-minute insert for Hawlucha, but she is a unique fighter even if we already have a Pikachu 🤷‍♂

[@dylanrobicheau-rl8pf]

I have some great pokemon choices for DLC including. Zoroark, Ivysaur, Noivern, Tsareena, Sylveon, Koraidon, Ampharos, Snorlax, Tyranitar, Zeraora, Deoxys, Sandslash, Infernape, Tabu Koko, Sirfetch’d, Obstagoon, Buneary, Buizel, Ceruledge, and Abomasnow. Just to name a handful of examples.

[@belmerrios5577]

Lopunny with mega

[@bradwhite5884]

What about Sneasler and Hisuian Decidueye?

[@oscardillon3640]

If Synergy Burst was in this Pokken 2, Greninja should have the ash greninja form to turn into, just saying.

[@oscardillon3640]

Also: what would a playable Pokken variation of Tyranitar look like

[@asdf-pd1uj]

Incredible video, my friends and I have been speculating about a pokken 2 roster for quite some time. The roster is incredible and very creative, but my heart sank when both Golisopod and Sableye were revealed as supports (my favorites, personally) Zacian seems to fit better as the other support next to Zamazenta, and Single-Strike Urshifu being about getting in key single hits for incredible damage but zero combo game would be interesting as the representing Galar Legend. The Paradox Pokemon would be sick as story-related characters, but they personally feel more suited to be two sides of a support. Some other potential characters could be Beheeyem, Marshadow, Alolan Exeggutor, and Goodra.

[@earthdiscovery5728]

Absol, Cinccino & Iron Valiant were great choices, though i would have gone with less starters

[@JoshuaEllis-rn1wb]

I'll go with Pinsir.

[@IOSARBX]

Delzethin, I love your channel so much, I just had to subscribe!

[@kingnewcomer2029]

Wow, TWO Pokemon videos in the same month? That's actually impressive!😆But anyway, yeah, I definitely wasn't expecting a Pokken Tournament 2 Roster speculation video, but I'm not complaining! I'd totally be up for a Pokken sequel (if Bandai Namco ever feels bothered enough to do so, that is, which let's hope they do), I just have NO idea how I would set up the roster myself especially since PT came out over a year before Gen 7, and now ever since then over 300 new species have been introduced, making it even harder to pick from. What makes it even harder is balancing fan favorites, Types, and Generations, and with there being (currently) 1025 Mons to choose from, it's extremely easy to just pick most wanted ones/fan favs, and call it a day without realizing any of the other factors to take account for, so, I think I'm just gonna let the devs decide on who to bring back, who to (probably) leave out, and what newcomers to add in (though I MAY try to tackle the handle myself at some point in the future). Same with the Support Pokemon. Be interested to see all the new modes Pokken 2 would introduce too! Regardless of what the future holds, hopefully Pokken Tournament 2 will finally happen so we can duke it out with our favorite creatures once more! Another solid video, Delzethin!😄I'd totally be up to seeing you tackle another roster buildup video sometime in the future! Keep up the amazing work!👍(Also, how you manage to continue avoid getting any copyright strikes for using clips from the Pokemon anime is beyond me. Probably because you have a VPN, or something.🤔)

[@Mystic-Aidan]

I’d really like to see a follow up to this video with a hypothetical season 1 and 2, just because it’s fun to hear people actually talk about Pokken again.

[@JcgLounge]

Fighting game based around a franchise like Pokemon should have a base roster of 45-50 characters AT LEAST. Pokemon has over 600 different characters. Yet the original game launched with like, freaking less than 20 if I recall.

[@SammieFazbear]

I like the list overall and you already mentioned some flaws I had with it. However, there are some entries I think “thematically” and not are missing. The 2 Urshifus should definitely be in the game. It only seems fitting. I would love to see more out there choices. Spidops is one I’d make a Tricky style. Setting up sticky webs and silk traps. Falinks would be one of those cute choices I’d love to see. That’s a just a couple that immediately came to mind for me.

[@Chronoflation]

This would be a great idea. Pokken always feels so under the radar, but I love the game, despite how little I've actually had the chance to play it, since none of my friends were interested (well, I have a friend who was interested, but he's so aware that he's a bad sport that he won't play with me cause he knows he can't keep his cool in competitive games)

[@Giriko3490]

1:10 oh no, please don't scrap Scizor and Darkrai :(

[@galvanize790]

you have no idea the joy i felt seeing dewott.

[@TheCreatorF.M.]

I generally don't see any reason the old roster, especially with how much bigger fighting game rosters are getting nowadays. Also I think form changing Pokémon like Meloetta or maybe even Ogerpon would be great choices as it'd serve to spice up movesets. Like Meloetta's forms would change between long range and short range attacks and Ogerpon's would change attributes or effects based on what Mask is on.

[@Sethafella]

Cinccino?!?! This is the best video ever

[@Medleypon]

I'd play this in a heartbeat.

[@PikaPhantomVG]

Smeargle is actually a Pokemon I thought was likely for a potential Pokken sequel. Didn't put a ton of thought into my picks when I made them but it was neat seeing a more organized look at what a sequel roster could be still mention them

[@LUNESSENCEM00NS]

I know I wasn't the only one thinking of Lycanroc! I was gonna have a implement of all forms somehow in the game with the day form a speed based fighter, dusk power and dusk standard

[@bradwhite5884]

There's a lot of good Pokémon suitable for Pokken 2, especially from Gen 8, Hisui and Gen 9 Pokémon are fitted, Sneasler is fitting, Iron Valiant designed for this which is a good pick for you to choose for this, Flutter Mane too as well as Iron Thorns and Iron Hands, Skeledurge is suited as support with it's signature move, Miraidon and Koraidon are a good addition to add, also Hisuian Decidueye is a good alternative skin or option for Decidueye, so yeah

[@edgarmonthy]

Hisuian Zoroark would go insane in Pokken 2

[@Rexred09]

He would basically be the games equivalent to Necalli from Sf5

[@illybenezri7502]

I fucking love cinccino, he's finally getting the attention he deserves.

[@KingJH0510]

I think ceruledge would be a must in a new pokken Its one of the coolest modern pokemon designs and they are giving it a lot of love in the anime My favorite pokemon is lurantis so i would love to see her in pokken as well

[@MegaPokefan97]

Some Pokemon I'd like to see: Hariyama as a sumo rep. Hisuian Liligant as a ballet themed fighter Naganedel as a flying zoner Zarude as an agressinve rushdown

[@elemomnialpha]

2:58 how does Absol grab in a way that's clearly defined as a grab? Personally I think THAT is the reason it was probably cut and why Suicune wound up as the only quadruped, the vast majority of them would fail this fundamental part of a moveset Personally, I'd swap it for Sylveon 7:31 same question, Midnight would avoid the issue but the other 2 who actually fit into the speed category have to find an answer 17:29 I guess her hair ribbon's could work certain media shows that's where she holds her sword when not in use, but I'd rather Zamazenta gets SOMETHING instead

[@the3dluxe53]

One addition I would propose is Skarmory. We need more zoners in this roster and if they translate how Skarmory actually plays I think it fits the bill. It could throw down spikes, use whirlwind projectiles that push you around, etc.

[@DylanMatthewTurner]

Pokken 2 would make 2024 the best year in gaming

[@Nick-is-Pain]

I absolutely love the Dewott inclusion, I love that guy.

[@smokeysvradventures8388]

BRO GRENINJAS BURST IS LITERALLY ASH GRENIJA-

[@thatminer7174]

It felt so sad seeing only one gen 5 pokemon in the first, but im very happy my fav pseudo legendary got included with kommo-o

[@thepokekid01]

This is not the way I envisioned a Pokken 2, but you buttered me up by including Dewott on your own.🥰

[@LucasDarkGiygas]

Thanks for the video. I hope we get to see more pokémon with non-bipedla bodies.

[@massimodalessandro108]

This video was so fun!!! Loved how the newcomers were broken apart in between sections of other various updates and changes! I'm hardly much of a fighting game super fan outside of casual Smash, but Pokken is one I loved back in the WII U days and seeing all the newcomers and DLC brought over to the Switch port made me super happy!! Lots of logical and cool picks, even if I sense SOME Smash newcomer speculation bias? Haha I can't blame you though, picks like Zacian and Lycanroc would do wonders for making the roster more varied in terms of body type regardless of if they were popular Smash Ultimate speculation picks! Surprised to see you keeping Braixen around where I feel most people would have gotten rid of them, personally I'd hope they stick around, they feel too iconic to Pokken now to just get rid of haha, and bringing in Dewott felt like such a charming idea! When thinking about these I always struggle to think of how to evenly distribute newcomers and returning fighters across all the various generations, wouldn't want to make it so half the roster is Gen 1 while only one Gen 5 mon gets in... (Oh wait...), so this was awesome!! Lots of mon I would have wanted to add myself although losing Scissor and Darkrai IS a little sad since they were some of my most requested 'mon from the original and I was so hyped when they got added to the arcade machines, and later the Switch port... I would have loved to add Lopunny to the list for its awesome mega/burst potential, and maybe Zoroark as a tricky character!

[@RainSpitter]

Goods luck waiting for that one.

[@broden4838]

I'd love to hear Lenne Hardt announcing the Pokemon, just like when she announced the Tekken 8 characters

[@JennyBlaze253]

Love the ideas for the roster. I would think an interesting final boss character(s) would be corrupted versions of Koraidon and Miraidon that are shown to be linked to the source of this Paradox Energy.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

Pokemon has a lot of potential as a fighting game given its wide array of popular characters with unique designs and abilities. It’s weird it only happened once. That said, Pokkens gameplay isn’t for me. My dream game would be a 3v3 team fighter by Arc System Works. The team format would make sense given that team building is a big part of the series.

[@crystalpokedude4329]

I feel like Steel Type was done the most dirty by losing all their fighters aside from Lucario and having to start from scratch. Then, both Steels you added are the same dual type of Steel-Fairy, which reduces variety there too. How it stands, Lucario, Scizor, Empoleon, and Aegislash is a more solid lineup than Lucario, Zacian, and Tinkaton. If up to me, I'd sub Empoleon back in over Quaquaval and Scizor back over Pheremosa. It addresses the "Too Many Fighting Types" thing you mentioned, and those two just feel like lower priority ones. Quaxly seems more like a fun support (and in the anime seems to be marketed as "the starter we won't evolve"), and Pokemon doesn't really care about Ultra Beasts anymore. Of course, if you want a fighting type back, I think you could also swap Zacian for Urshifu or even an unevovled Kubfu for more smaller picks. Lucario, Scizor, Empoleon, and Tinkaton is a really solid lineup that's fairly diverse across playstyles. Kubfu adds a fairly small fighter who packs a surprising punch.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I wonder, would Klefki make a roster? I would imagine it would almost function by scattering debris and this would be borne by the fact that Klefki canonically collects stuff. Then its style is about getting people to walk on the spikes it scatters or to throw them on spikes, and it must do that for its punches are decent but not as strong as the effects on having the characters walk on spikes or being thrown onto spikes.

[@anthonystevens9327]

Smergle being the other gen 2 rep over tyranitar is diabolical

[@Rexred09]

Greninja, Infernape, Zoroark, Tyranitar, Galvantula, Electrivire, Toxtricity, Braviary, Marshadow, Nidoking for Pokken.

[@PokyDaBesto]

he said toxtricity

[@Rexred09]

@@PokyDaBesto I know. I watched the video.

[@naerolf09]

galvantula would have crazy mixups feel like he would have be able to put down webs in order to stun the opponant

[@Rexred09]

@@naerolf09 Exactly what I had in Mind

[@lesliejacoby9137]

Cutting Darkrai but putting in Smeargle is just wrong.

[@terry.1428]

Need Pokken two tmr

[@dextra_24703]

With mien shao, blaziken already has high jump kick figured out how it should work, it is his crazy fast dive kick

[@ElectroPikachu]

A playable Dewott would be incredible. I'd definitely be using him in battle

[@NhBleker]

If we ever get Pokken 2, I hope it can play more akin to Tekken in inputs and combos with us able to do stuff like 112 combos and EWGF inputs as we can when playing a Mishima in Tekken as an example.

[@calebe4266]

I feel like 36 is the perfect quantity of pokemon. At least 2 of each type (without counting double types), 4 from each generation or at least tied to it on some way (like being a regional variant), and 6 tied to the 6 stats (hp, atk, def, sp.atk, sp.def) to better define their roles and archetypes (a hp pokemon could be a grappler, a sp.atk could be a zoner, and so on)

[@NintendoSegaGuys]

Tapu Koko would be great for Pokken, I love how it hops in place like a boxer.

[@TheUnscathedFairy]

Honestly Meowscarada, Cinccino Dewott, Pheromosa Cinderace and Tinkaton playable in pokken 2, I'd adore. I also wouldn't mind sylveon or any other playable eeveelution.

[@Seeriosa]

Still gotta have shadow Mewtwo imo tho, especially if you have Anne in the mix.

[@Seeriosa]

I understand he was cured at the end of Pokken1, but if the plot's going to involve alternate timelines..?

[@RednekGamurz]

Thank you for standing up to the phase shifting and RPS elements of Pokken. I see way too many videos about Pokken saying that these elements should be abandoned, and it's so silly. If you just want a 2D fighter, or just want an arena fighter, there are plenty of games that already give you that (hell, if you specifically want a Pokemon 2D fighter, you could always play the fan-made Type Wild or Close Combat). There's no other game that plays quite like Pokken, and the game has it's fans, so I think it's silly to suggest that a sequel should abandon this uniqueness. For held items, I was thinking that they could maybe replace the cheer skills of the first game. Cheer skills are kinda weird and confusing to explain to my friends anytime we pop in the game for some casual matches, but choosing which held item you want your fighter to hold for the entire match could be interesting (especially if they go the extra mile to show some of the items on the Pokemon's actual model). Your roster picks are pretty solid. It's kinda hard to go wrong with something like this. There's so many Pokemon to pick from, you'd really have to go out of your way to pick Pokemon that wouldn't really work or be all that interesting. Your choices are maybe a tad starter heavy if anything, but even then the starters you picked are solid. If I was going off of my own personal bias, I'd have Golurk, one of the Zoroarks, Tyrantrum, and Jolteon somewhere on the roster too, but I can't complain about your picks. I especially like that you included Absol. Such a shame that Absol was planned for the first game, but never happened, not even in DLC.

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

I'm just happy that my main Gardevoir is still in the roster. Like that most of the original's are still here and even Nia makes a return! As for newcomers Kommo-o, Absol and Iron Valiant look to be my favourites. Both them and Smeargle fit into the roster very well. If I had my way tho the roster would be filled with my favourite 'mons for sure (Venusaur, Hydregion, Magmar, Hippowdon, Ab- oh wait they're already in the roster, Ampharous, etc). Maybe new megas from the upcoming Legends game can provide fighter inspiration too. After all, the mons transforming is super cool visually.

[@JoshuaEllis-rn1wb]

Venusaur can't be added. He's not designed for combat, but Ivysaur is.

[@DigiBrad]

I think it's very likely we will get a Pokken 2 on the next system

[@PlayrR3D156]

Sorry for the large amount of text, but I feel like Zacian fit better having it's Burst mode be its Crowned form. That way it could still be somewhat powerful, but having it's brokenness be locked behind the burst mode, which would take a while to charge to compensate. Also, I never knew about the cut content for Pokkén. Cut content is incredibly fascinating to me, so could you provide a source? As for the characters I want added the most are Chesnaught, Hitmonlee (though, I wouldn't be mad if Hitmontop was added instead) and Zygarde, to name a few. Chesnaught would be a tank with its signature move being a command counter, Hitmonlee being the games equivalent of Min Min, though it would have an easier time fighting at long range using tools like mega kick and rolling kick, while Zygarde would play something like Susano'o from BlazBlue, with it starting at 10% form, but changing forms when certain conditions are met.

[@RileyRiolu]

One thing I'd love to see in the supposed Pokken 2 is well... Pokemon Mystery Dungeon characters! Specifically... Alakazam or Tyranitar representing Rescue Team DX, Grovyle or Wigglytuff representing Explorers of Sky, Hydreigon or Verizion representing Gates to Infinity, and Ampharos or Nuzleaf representing Super Mystery Dungeon. All would have actual voice acting and interactions. I would come up with new assists related to PMD, but I gotta think of it more.

[@crimsonchaos7224]

So in this hypothetical arcade mode, who would be the big boss at the end?

[@dextra_24703]

You do know you could just make Zacian use Burst gauge for performing moves, this then doesn't make it need the entire removing of the damage buff, but I would guess that Zacian would be a Gengar situation, that when it has burst it turns into it's gilded form to change its entire moveset and therefore starts in its rusted form.

[@blue-eyesdepresseddragon3753]

I adore Smeargle just being Double from skullgirls, it fits so well.

[@thewizardslime6764]

Y'know what i like in my fighting games? Weird monster-like characters that are hella strange. Y'know who moves really heckin' weird and is barely a pokemon? PORYGON Z! Porygon Z could work well as a monster character, since it's barely a pokemon at all and its instead a glitchy hologram. Porygon Z would be a Technical fighter since even if their gameplan reminds of a tricky, as they are reliant on mind games and being hard to predict, their movement and tools make them go beyond. They would have short range projectiles, long range hitboxes that remind of Aido/Battoutsu characters, strange movement that would let them go from one side of the screen to the other, you get the idea. It could even have weirdly BAD ANGLED moves, making you use unique setups to be able to use their strong effects. Kind of a joke character not as in they are funny but as in they are absurd and have so many wacky ideas into it.

[@nm5329]

Dewott mains, rise up!!! While I was originally uncertain about the standard "Jack-of-all-trades" archetype, I say it works. It's certainly a much better solution than what I would have predicted, that being another Speed-type with the advantage of using Dewott's Scalchop shells for more spaced out attacks. But we've already got a fast water-type in the form of Greninja, so.. it works.

[@bingo2underscores]

this game is so gas i need a sequel DESPERATELY!!!!!

[@Akui_Kuragari]

Congrats on 30k. 👍

[@Akui_Kuragari]

Also..... Incinaroar.