Destiny 2 Lore - Eramis might be considering switching sides after the Seraph Shield Exotic mission.

[@MynameisByf]

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[@fangslore9988]

just imagine her anger and rage if and when she finds out the witness caused the whirlwind and chased the traveler from Riis and that the Witness was behind it all and the traveler was forced away. currently she doesn't know that the witness forced the traveler to flee she thinks it just upped and left randomly.

[@lokeshkoka1296]

Eramis and her wife? And they had kids....? Didn't know that! 😶 Can u please go into detail about this. Or if u can, make a video on the biology of all the species that we know so far, it would be great!

[@mininearby]

Honestly I would think the station was known just not what it was and most likely avoided I mean if Rasputin was in control of it and he wasn't the most welcoming. It's totally possible until Clovis and Elizabeth showed up no one would know ana might have but all of these people haven't been the most forthcoming with information

[@fangslore9988]

@@mininearby perhaps it was never deemed as significant

[@fangslore9988]

@@lokeshkoka1296 thats actually quite complicated. but because Athris and Eramis are both female i would assume that maybe they either had cells collected from the one and implanted into eggs to fertilize them or male eh seaman donated from a doner. it is complicated considering Eliksni are egg laying

[@Itsumi456]

Major spoiler but it's actually our cookies. They're sol renowned after we fed Zavala 140289 of them this past week. She's joining us so she can get some peanut butter plundys next dawning.

[@gumball6445]

Fucking Christ....lmao

[@MightyShisno]

I love the cookie name. Can we seriously get this for next year? Lol

[@johnprice6271]

It was Fynch and his Hive Guardian. Damn knight loved cookies so much he started spreading rumors while he was still alive.

[@dinkeycat]

@@MightyShisno why do we want this so much? Like, I love it, and want it, but it's so stupid and I don't even know how we came up with it

[@jozgo]

Peanut butter plundys oh yes

[@caffinatedredpanda9964]

I got the voiceline when that fight started. When she said that "the witness will bring back all that are killed by the machine spawn" I noticed how tired and sad she sounded.

[@Caliif]

She sounds like she regrets her decisions but doesn't see a way out

[@whathappened_.]

She just sounded really defeated when she announced praxis’s name and what the witness had done to him

[@oryxfirstnavigator4795]

She sounded defeated, exhausted.

[@somnolentlilac]

@@Caliif I really hope this doesn’t end in her doing something drastic. I want Eramis to be our ally a lot but I fear she may end up going all out and ending everything at the thought of her house dying and being revived by the darkness, twisted into the monster we see made of Praxis

[@beast0339]

she sounded as if she didn't even *want* to say it. Like she was just talking and not actually meaning what she was saying.

[@ElToland]

I'm sure the Drifter would say something like: "False surrender might be a war crime, but don't worry, you'll get used to it. Transmat firing!"

[@JHS270694]

I read that in his voice too lol

[@-Telesto-]

“But the witness has returned him to us, as it will return all eliksni slain by the machine spawn’s hand” oh god Taniks is going to come back

[@cheetahofthewind13]

"He was always more machine then monster" cayde-6

[@LuisHGarcia]

Because basic cybernetics, SIVA nanomachines or haunting as a ghost/Nightmare via the Pyramids isn't enough.

[@beckhornig7910]

I'd honestly be surprised if he didn't.

[@Spartan-sz7km]

FOURTH TIMES THE CHARM OLD MAN

[@GideonGrimmGaming]

Probably as a Scorn, so I hope you like dealing with countless immune things.

[@barstool9156]

An interesting thought. My whole thought process about Eramis is that she was both Trapped, and unwilling to allow herself a chance at the future, and thus, while not loyal to the witness, she still worked with them.

[@jupitergaming5146]

A lot of people missed that this was the point of last season. Eramis is basically the opposite of Mithrax. Mithrax believes that anybody can be redeemed while Eramis believes that she does not deserve a second chance and thinks it’s just part of her nature

[@coolman299]

@@jupitergaming5146 Correct me if I'm wrong here but, doesn't Eramis just flat out not have a choice in the matter? Isn't her ONLY option to give in and accept servitude to The Witness, with the alternative being a return to her icy prison or just death? Maybe I've misunderstood something but I recall at the start of Plunder she basically just gets threatened with death if she doesn't cooperate.

[@johnprice6271]

Initially I thought Mithrax would be the first Light Bearer Elixni, but Eramis seems to be slowly heading towards the "Devotion, Bravery, Sacrifice" stance with how she keeps getting emotionally dragged around by Eido and The Witness. But regardless... one way or another, something is going to happen and someone is going to die. And yes, guardians do commit War Crimes, on the regular when you think about it. I mean, we genocide entire battalions for a fancy gun that we toss out because one thing is wrong with it.

[@Caliif]

As far as we know the geneva convention doesn't exist in the destiny universe, so are they really war crimes Eramis becoming the first eliksni guardian would be really interesting

[@masonwillms2542]

@@Caliif and even if it did, this is a fight against primordial evil, I think those bastards in switzerland would understand.

[@Azrael_Equinox]

@@Caliif It's either that or she becomes an Exo and bails to the House of Light now with 0 memories. I can see that happening as the DSC is still "open to all."

[@Notthebloodgod812]

Ah yes Warcrime gaming. So we can be like our lord and saviour Space Jesus also known as Obi-Wan Kenobi

[@atsukana1704]

My 5 out of 5 perfect roll must be completed. I don’t care how many of this race facing exctinction I must destroy for it.

[@VallornDeathblade]

"there are laser barriers we haven't been able to collapse" But we HAVE been able to just sword through them. Truly the sword logic opens paths to new destinations.

[@dinkeycat]

Truly, one of the discoveries of all time

[@astonegargoyle4049]

Shoulder charge for the win.

[@META_mahn]

You can also execute a perfectly timed slide. Sprint up to the barrier, and just when it looks like you touch the barrier, slide. It for some reason clips you through the barrier.

[@Hlast1]

There's a lore tab about the station (I think it's one of the season's cosmetics that has it). It mentions that all attempts to approach the station beforehand have been cut apart by automated laser fire. Recently, a single Cabal ship was observed getting through, and after that the Witness's allies have been able to board. Because of the laser defenses there wasn't a way to get aboard in the past, so I'm ok assuming that somebody in the Vanguard was aware of it and didn't care to waste resources attempting to do anything with it.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

And it's not the first time we've heard of an orbital platform like this with active defenses that made it inapproachable. Back in Season of the Worthy there was a lorebook, or maybe a web lore, where Ana infiltrated such a station over Uranus iirc and had to hack her way through the defenses to not get killed.

[@andydimezza2229]

Kind of like how at the end of the Fallen SABER strike when our ghost asks Zavala if we have tried to contact Rasputin. Zavala said something about how the lady fire team that tried was left across the skyway as dust…

[@Fitchy-ke3wz]

Very convenient retroactive continuity

[@TheKingOfRegret97]

Yep exactly that. If it's surviving golden age bray-tech, Rasputin will not hesitate to slaughter any1 in site.

[@icicle_ai]

Which lore tab

[@ethandeis7427]

During the mission my friend just said”great we just committed a war crime. That’s cool” My response was “there no war crimes in space besides it’s only a war crime if you lose the war” Also pretty sure gambit is worse then any war crime

[@iron_dude_j0427]

Eh screw house salvation. They’re working on behalf of a genocial darkness god and invaded a complex and space station owned by humanity within earths orbit. We get to play as dirty as they do.

[@JDHackett]

It's never a war crime the first time.

[@buraiman45]

I mean, we'd already be committing war crimes by using anti-material rounds on personnel, so it's not a new concept.

[@johngancarcik5682]

Taking a page from the book of kenobi and Skywalkers tactics of war

[@NobilisReed]

I don't think it's a war crime! It's a war crime for soldiers who are *in the process of surrendering* to re-initiate hostilities, but after they have been interned, they are no longer surrendering soldiers, but prisoners of war; and prisoners of war are not only allowed to attempt to escape, it is considered their first duty.

[@RodrigoLeaf15]

I have a theory that maybe Eramis is staying on the side of the Witness not just for loyalty or other motives, but maybe because it's the Witness who's keeping Eramis from freezing again by her own Stasis power. Maybe it's that fear that if she betrays him, she will end up on ice again. And it would be a really neat moment, too, if that happens, and Eramis manages to control Stasis herself, just like us when facing her, as her focus and objectives become clearer to herself.

[@summerrose7650]

"I can not believe they fell for that!" Eramis and her Elisksni: "We are honorable. The Guardian has done some honorable things and House light speaks highly of them. I'm sure they'll honorably stay in the cage." Stranger: *hands us guns* Go commit a crime

[@nils254]

This mission is so freakin' cool. DSC is my fav raid by far-- so seeing this as like, DSC lite was super awesome. And the lore. The LORE. I'm just feeling more n' more bad for Eramis tbh

[@Dynasty1818]

Feels good with the lore, but yet again Bungie give us an unnecessarily complex mission to navigate with basically no guide. The buttons were super hard to spot at times, switching out augments meant doors didn't open and you get confused, swap augments again and then it works, makes no sense. Just frustratingly vague.

[@naveenkv7175]

@@Dynasty1818 All exotic missions made in Destiny 2 are hard the first time. What's the point of making a visually stunning place and an exotic mission in that like this if you can breeze through everything with just one button per room? Also every time you pick up an augment (and not just the first time) you get a description of what it does. If alongside the guide's text it also marks everything in the mission for you, again what is even the point of playing a game if not to get mechanically entertained?

[@cobborjr4651]

This somewhat reminds me of Rhulk's story in the sense that both have immediate dread for being on the side of the Witness. However, the difference is that Rhulk was later convinced into the Witness's goals and ideology whilst Eramis has her own beliefs. Perhaps the Witness is attempting a similar brainwash?

[@Gee-bg2rv]

Difference is that rhulk didn’t care about his people no? eramis actually cares about her people

[@MrJakeasaur98]

@@Gee-bg2rv Yep. Eramis is very clearly alligned with the interest of protecting her people. Ultimately the goals of the Witness cannot co-exist with Eramis' interests. Rhulk was never so protective of his people, and he went on to believe what he did was for the best. He was very critical of his species, which if I recall correctly he mentions in the monologue you can find from the first interaction point at the end of the Preservation mission.

[@yourname4817]

I had the thought that Eramis probably knew our surrender was fake, because when has our guardian ever surrendered? So, I figured she allowed us to be “captured” knowing that we couldn’t progress further into the station otherwise, and so we could complete our mission. Like indirectly helping us in a way that isn’t obvious.

[@Kjf365]

Eh. Even if she hates the witness (which I'm not entirely convinced by) she hates the Traveler and Guardians even more.

[@IvoryTempestCandleOfStories]

@@Kjf365 She hates us, but the traveler hasn't done anything near the level of evil that the Witness has. And it was made VERY CLEAR that Eramis hates the Witness more than anything for the crimes they have committed against her family.

[@darthcerebus]

I don't think she'd be willing to sacrifice her people on the ketch for it, though. She would have told them to just be elsewhere and not around us or the cells in general to spare them from us escaping.

[@ruthlesslistener]

@@Kjf365 she's gone to just straight-up hating both gods now. The messages left in the spire has her claiming 'we have no need of gods' and urging us to abandon them both. Safe to say I think Eramis has enough hatred in her heart for both of 'em lol

[@themellonman9886]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Witness pursued Eramis, depriving us of a possible ally. Its also clear to me that a good portion of House Salvation are still loyal to the Witness and that the Wrathborn and Scorn made from this house are most likely possible defectors or the conflicted members with the loyal being spared. I'm also think that we may see both Phylaks and Kridis risen as Scorn as well. Interesting things going on with House Salvation at the moment.

[@oryxfirstnavigator4795]

I don't know if members of House Salvation are willingly loyal to The Witness. They're following Eramis, who's still their Kell, and is stuck serving The Witness. Scorn are created from dead Fallen, they don't have a say in the matter, quite literally. Eramis sounded so defeated and exhausted when she spoke about Praxis being resurrected by the Witness

[@themellonman9886]

@@oryxfirstnavigator4795 She did and if both Phylaks and Kridis came back, it would break her even more, particularly Phylaks since they both fought at Twilight Gap but I would expect some members of House Salvation and their followers, perhaps some lieutenants amongst Eramis's ranks to follow the Witness either out of fear or pursuit of power like Eramis had gained.

[@thecrimsoncommando3875]

@@oryxfirstnavigator4795 I first heard it as Salvation being used or processed as cannon fodder. They're either turned into Wrathborn to supplement Xivu's forces and/or slaughtered to be turned into Scorn. And Eramis is being forced to watch these processes.

[@themellonman9886]

@@thecrimsoncommando3875 It does raise a question though, despite Eramis fleeing at the end of Season of Plunder, how does she know about all this. Agents of her house feeding her intel, probably but I feel that the Witness is watching her, her every move. It sounds like she's a prisoner yet we know she kinda ain't cause of her comms with us, Elsie and Mara.

[@levicarpenter5509]

Nah it is a punishment for her

[@caffinatedredpanda9964]

When is saw Praxis I immediately was like "WHOH, Eramis is going to loose her shit"

[@brycerowley7743]

I feel like the Seraph station can be explained by Season of Worthy with the fact that the missiles/warsats launched from it and it has been there ever since.

[@horrorfan117]

That... actually makes sense. We weren't launching ordinance we were launching satellites. Some of them were configured to make a new seraph station. And of course the warmind would put it above the last bastion of humanity.

[@anotherkenlon]

The existence of a Golden Age station in Earth orbit that is simply locked down hard enough that no one has gotten in since then doesn't really strain my suspension of disbelief at all, personally.

[@michaellevett7057]

@@anotherkenlon I agree especially since it's taken the combined efforts of Ana, Elsie, Clovis and ourselves to gain access. The vanguard could've known about it but it's importance was considered inconsequential since no one could glean any information of substance about it. That in my mind would explain why there is no previous mention of it in the lore, it's existence and links to the warmind system were just thought to be irrelevant/inconsequential.

[@darthcerebus]

@@michaellevett7057 Hell, it could even just been thought of as standard Golden Age stuff but never could get access so just left alone to not risk anything. THere's no way for them to know if it was Warmind or not, and not having access was very common for basically everything so it's not crazy to be unable to get inside. And on top of the fact it's possible it was powered down/inactive until Season of the Worthy made it even less note worthy.

[@Arkaeus04]

I like that Praxis does not look like a scorn immediately after being revived. It tells that the fallen that are resurrected through dark ether don't necessarily acquire the scorn traits malformations immediately but through repeated resurrection by dark ether acquire it. So by that logic, Praxis must have been revived very recently. I know Pyriks could fit in that category but I think that's an error in models

[@THERATSANDTHERATS]

To be fair he also wears like a TON of stuff, we can't exactly see his skin much

[@thecrimsoncommando3875]

Model error. This is the first time we've seen Pyriks, so Bungie won't waste time making a new model for a seasonal activity boss. Since we know and killed Praxis, it's easier to reuse his model as well.

[@erroroflife187]

he does have scorn skin and stuff just gotta look under his clothes

[@Azrael_Equinox]

@@erroroflife187 There's actually a ton of stuff different about Parxis too. Obviously there's the dead, rotting skin of the Scorn but there's also the Stasis throughout his body due to the broken Pyramid tech he has, which mirrors some Scorn ravengers and even some additional metal plating of Scorn design, clearly coloured blue instead of the usual Yellow of Fikrul aligned Scorn or Purple of Witness controlled Scorn. A lot of the changes are pretty minor, you really have to look for them, it's kinda cool honestly.

[@FC_mania]

Well, the scorn barons from the Tangled Shore are much more grotesque due to being just filthy pirates. At least Praksis is a little more professionally dressed.

[@IRUNASSULT]

Eremis realizing that pledging your eternal soul to the incarnation of darkness isn’t exactly a good idea

[@ericbright1742]

"No? Okay, back in the fridge with you." "No wait-!" I don't *totally* blame her.

[@darthcerebus]

"I'm a genius!" "Oh no!"

[@queenmedusa934]

I remember in the Red War, the opening cutscene-it's mentioned that there is a series of satellites orbiting about Earth/The Last City, which the Vanguard uses for data collection and defensive purposes. Y'know, the ones that were taken out of commission, thus allowing the Red Legion invade the city in a surprise attack. Perhaps the Seraph Station is a part of that satellite network.

[@gavinduke2107]

The Veles-X lore tab mentions that the Vanguard have known about Seraph Station But anyone who gets close is cut to pieces by its defenses. Until the house Salvation ketch arrived there, followed by a Cabal ship

[@ninjathis3009]

Eramis's story is pretty heavy on tragedy at the moment. She is clearly stressed out beyond belief, and with all of our allies poking and prodding at her with the moral highground and the Witness threatening to kill her themself, she is bound to snap. I imagine she's going to lash out in a dramatic way- Probably against the Witness, and she's going to die because of it. But she won't stay dead for long. She'll be reborn- As Scorn. Or...Lightbearer..? ...Or...BOTH?! Can that even happen? For her sake, I hope not. That sounds painfully traumatic.

[@vasilisdouklias6992]

She does seem like someone the traveler would resurrect. Then again, who knows how the traveler chooses to resurrect guardians/lightbearers.

[@pvtperkins1455]

@@vasilisdouklias6992 if only we had the Speaker

[@williamchancellor1522]

This subplot with Eramis makes me incredibly sad, the storytelling is amazing. I get the feeling that she will betray the witness, a d I think she will be killed. But I can see two different paths that could follow, in one she becomes the first eliksni lightbarer, or she is transformed into scorn by the witness.

[@parsley7498]

Byf: “maybe it will be Eido” Everyone: “you take that back right now!”

[@LuxintN7]

Pretty much, yeah

[@sierrawhite5552]

I expect Eramis to sacrifice herself for Eido, then be brought back as the first Eliksni guardian while also letting her shed her tragic past and start over. Fits with a redemption story line we seem to be seeing in the game as it is.

[@darthcerebus]

I was hoping that's what happened during the Splicer season to truly connect the 2 species. Misraaks sacrificing himself to protect Saint and being resurrected as the first Eliksni guardian, and being re-taught his life and his people's history by his daughter who knows it. Hell, Eliksni might be more than capable of being Guardians, but never became one because none of the Ghosts ever actually looked at them for traces of Light. If the Hive can because they were touched by the Traveler before, there's no reason to think Eliksni can't.

[@NobilisReed]

It's possible, but perhaps a bit too much of a repeat of Crow?

[@THERATSANDTHERATS]

Random, but if the sentry towers are so strong they keep both hive AND Cabal at bay and apparently the people on Neptune have even crazy Tech actually make me terrified at how STRONG the Witness is and its fleet, because if currently earth's weapons are beating back two super powerful factions all about WAR then holy hell the Witness must be holding their cards to their chest and not playing them until absolutely needed

[@cybernurgle6413]

Eremis sounded so defeated in this mission, it damn nearly broke my heart Edit: hol up my mind just farted an idea out. Is Eremis the Kell of Kells? What if she betrays the Witness, dies, and is resurrected by the Traveler? Probably not but what if?

[@Epicbrodude31]

Fairly certain Mithras is the Kell of Kells, or was referred to as such

[@cybernurgle6413]

@@Epicbrodude31 like I said, just a random idea my brain farted out. Trying no to make assumptions and looking at other candidates. The Traveler does have funny ideas on who to bestow the Light to.

[@jonnysilia5740]

Mithras has more of a candidacy for the title than Eramis rather then having the official title, as far as i'm aware the Eliksni are still in competition for who truly deserves that title. Eramis dying and being reborn as a risen would leave Mithraks in a strange position and mindset, on one hand the heretic to his beliefs just took what he has strived to earn since his change of heart at our hands, on the other, the risen Eramis would be basically like Crow, amnesic, confused, and resented. not to mention the Witness would be DEEPLY insulted that one of their henchmen was blessed by their enemy, a ironic sort of "taking." also Crow would have a field day meeting someone in similar shoes like him. a dark legacy and its karmic weight placed upon them from (re)birth.

[@stealthsneak]

@@Epicbrodude31 I assume it's eido mithrax's daughter

[@steelgriffin7716]

@@jonnysilia5740 A side thought on that too... Namrask. Why bring up Namrask, who is arguably the bigger villain than even Eramis given how he's despised by both the people of the City for London and other atrocities, while also hated by other Eliksni for abandoning children while fleeing the Whirlwind. Misraakskel can forgive Namrask... he can forgive an amnesiac Eramis.

[@AutiCyrptArch]

I feel like Eramis is going to become a very powerful Scorn in the future, but when we fight her there will be traces of who she was before. Imagine you're fighting Eramis, Once Fallen, and you get broken voice lines about Misraaks, or Spider.... or even Eido. I wouldn't put The Witness above punishing her for the repeated failures by giving her a front row seat to.... "Salvation"

[@LucarioNumbers]

I've been liking Eramis's development last season and this season, she has become a great antagonist. I hope she betrays the Witness, but I fear she will be punished and turned into a Scorn. It would be horrifying to see her as a Scorn.

[@iponce2]

I was thinking this same thing, it would be a gut wrenching turn of events but I think its great writing. Eramis spends eons doing "the wrong thing," and then she finally has her good guy moment and gets Scorn'd for it.

[@pinkskie5536]

I think something important to note here is that we may actually see a war for her fate going on. Eramis already fits two of the three core tenets for Guardian-hood; Devotion and Bravery. Devotion both to the Eliksni and her family, and Bravery enough to attempt to defy the fate of her people at all circumstances. The Witness may attempt to make a Scorn of her, but we may well see Eramis betraying the Witness as the final key; Sacrifice. Eramis is one of the only major named Eliksni who has experience wielding Paracausal powers; even if only Stasis, she's connected in a way no other living Eliksni is. It also removes the core issue of her remaining with the Eliksni; her shattered memory of Riis. She's all but admitted that the world Eido wants to build has no room for people broken by Riis' fall like she was. But as a Lightbearer, that memory would hinder her no longer.

[@levicarpenter5509]

You can only become scorn by being ressed by dark ether

[@steelgriffin7716]

What about shattering our hearts by dropping a word or two about her wife. And maybe a "Kill... me..." along the way.

[@ButteryGoodnessINC]

Eramis is gonna be Bungie's new Arbiter, in terms of storytelling. Has faith in one thing, then betrays that faith once all of the pieces come together for her to realize she's been living a lie. Only for her to join us to fight against the Darkness in the end. A remake of Arbiter's line from Halo 3 of "We trade one villain for another.", but with our Guardian and Eramis back to back surround by the Darkness' forces, only for Crow to arrive with a ship to save us.

[@nathaneshler4099]

I think the station has always been there, as there are likely many abandoned stations in orbit from the collapse (just look at all the orbital debris in our world now lmao). The city doesn't really have time to investigate all of them. Plus this station was controlled by Rasputin until he 'died' right? I think after the Iron Lords the city learned not to mess with Rasputin. Plus this platform is supposedly where many of the warsats are launched from so it makes sense it is in a low earth orbit and nearby at most times.

[@sparrowhawke8244]

You’re asking a lot of the right questions this season. I was also wondering why we’ve never heard of this seraph station. I could understand that it’s well defended and we couldn’t have boarded it but it’s massive and it’s right above the city. Surely someone would have tried

[@Gee-bg2rv]

Best guess is we had no reason to

[@devonhickman3428]

I assume we always knew the station was there but back then Rasputin was more than likely protecting it and as for in recent time it's likely as mentioned the space stations defenses kept things at bay until the witness wakes up eramis and starts yelling at her

[@BrassSpyglass]

I've honestly thought that at the end of the season, Eramis will force us to kill her as she's too scared of the Witness to betray it directly, or she does try to betray the Witness, but is then turned into a Scorn.

[@crazytalk8120]

This mission was very good. I think it had one of the best set pieces I have seen in Destiny 2 yet. However, I really wish there had been dialogue regarding our capture. It would have been awesome if the captain who Eramis sent to capture us had gloated about how we surrendered. Or a sequence where we are being escorted to a cell, passing rows of House Salvation fallen, all watching us as we are marched to a cell (think arbiter in halo 2 being marched to the pedestal). I think there is an issue here though: Why would we surrender? I think the idea was solid on Bungie's behalf, but it doesn't make sense in the context of the mission. We spent the whole time before that absolutely shoving every enemy in that station in a locker, and suddenly we just wave the white flag? While a cool idea, an absence of quality writing really hurt the execution. As for why we were wanted alive, if it was the Witnesses request, then good for us that we absolutely shredded everything breathing on that station. If it was Eramis who gave the command, then we did exactly what Guardians from the inception of destiny do: Kill things, without thought or hesitation. Remember what the Ghost in the Black Garden said "You are a dead thing, made in the shape of the dead. All you will ever do is kill".

[@Seekr237]

I think Eramis is going to pull a Dreadwing from Transformers Prime. She's gonna be secretly aiding us against The Witness from within to only be found out and suffer a terrible fate.

[@IvoryTempestCandleOfStories]

That was such a well made show! The writing, the character development. There was nothing wrong with that show whatsoever, and to see people still referencing it outside of transformer communities makes me want to cry out in joy.

[@dreadangel3752]

I believe we've seen a promotional picture of a Scorn Kridis, so I wouldn't be surprised if at some point we also see Phylaks. Eramis can't take all that, I'm sure, she's going to snap.

[@darthcerebus]

It would be neat to see Scorn Atraks, since her Fallen non-exo body still exists and I know the Witness doesn't care at all about anything regarding the House at all.

[@TheKingOfRegret97]

06:41 This station was formerly under the control of Rasputin before season of arrival. And before the season of the worthy, Rasputin would gladly without hesitation kill anyone and thing going near there. So it was very known as a death trap to be ignored

[@Ccompton917]

Bungie is so wholesome. It’s like the core of the studio is one giant heart. One of the ways they like to show that heart is helping us to realize and see the good in people and understanding that people are a product of what life throws at us, and sometimes that life throws shit which can warp them in ways they not only hate, but have no control over.

[@PixelleHearts]

Eramis' tone sounded so... defeated and fed up

[@Blindluck92]

The shock factor of seeing Praksis, combined with the bitter resignation in Eramis's voice, actually got me killed when I first did this mission. I just kind of stood there, staring in abject horror while getting shot and pummeled to death. It was the impact Bungie was going for, and it absolutely succeeded.

[@azap1378]

I feel as though there will be a moment where she is given a chance to save eido, in doing so proving herself to misraaks and joining our side. Who knows, there may even be a self-sacrifice as it seems she is constantly putting her devotion to the eliksni’s survival over her own self-preservation. Plus, it seems the witness has the power to kill her whenever it wants, and that is why it feels so confident in pushing era is to her limits.

[@Xaveze]

I suspect The Witness is working towards building a fighting force that parallels the guardians. Immortal warriors resurrected from the dead using Darkness instead of Light.

[@inquisitorichijou883]

Eramis sounded so dead and defeated when she spoke about Praksis being brought back.

[@Scorpion396]

I have a feeling Eramis, while wanting to defect, won't get the chance. She will fail in the eyes of The Witness, and be turned into a Scorn. A sad closing to a tragic story and character.

[@RC-xu4zu]

With regards to the Last City not knowing about the station: Geostationary orbit is *much* further away than it appears in game. It's 15% of the way to the Moon! The station is not directly over the Last City, and even a few degrees of offset at that distance results in a truly enormous search area. If the station wasn't loudly broadcasting any kind of signals in every direction then it doesn't even need a stealth system: Unless you already knew where to look simply seeing it would be challenging, even with all our modern astronomy tools.

[@alejandrocarralero2826]

Well I think that if Eramis betrays the witness and sacrifices herself she would be fufilling the guardian's creed of devotion, bravery and sacrifice and therefore she will become the first Eliksni guardian, I mean that seems to be what they're setting up.

[@ThePaulper]

In the words of the immortal Dr. Coomer: “You can’t commit a war crime if there are no military left to judge you”

[@miguelflores2455]

Hey Byf, It might already be too late. Eramis has seen the suffering of her people for too long now, she even said in the mission that the Witness will bring all those who have fallen by the "Machine-Spawn's" hands back from the dead and return them to her. She might already be loyal to them, even if indirectly.

[@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337]

listen to her tone when she says that line though, she sounds entirely defeated. as in bringing them back, it means as scorn.

[@mohammedmijan8270]

Plot twist: the final thing to push Eramis over the edge to betray the witness will be the rebirth of taniks as a scorn with no legs

[@rickplayzyt6277]

Right on time! I've been catching up with the lore of this season :)

[@XenophonAnabasis]

"The Sword of Damocles" man i don't hear that often and every time I do i love it, bravo byf

[@jadetortellini6150]

Been saying it since last season, but I’m convinced she’ll be the first eliksni guardian.

[@jackal253]

Love the fact that we ever so casually committed a war crime for the memes

[@tapewormrage]

Wouldn't be my first war crime.

[@markricheard1870]

Just another day in the 4st Millenium, I mean, 3001. (Thats around Destinys time. Im serious)

[@32___]

She sounded so depressed when scorned praxis was introduced

[@frankiebigrings7048]

@7:00 maybe we knew and just didnt care. like before warmind we generally avoided warmind related places. up until know its just one of probably hundreds of golden age space station floating in orbit

[@elitegamer9310]

At this point, I don't care about Eramis anymore. She's a hypocrite and an idiot who has had quite a few opportunities to change and make peace, but always chooses the option that screws both herself and her people. Her "noble" aspirations are ones I've heard before from countless characters. Oryx, Savathûn, and Xivu Arath wanted what was best for their people, and that's how we got the Hive. Calus wanted what was best for his Daughter and the Cabal, but his Narcissism, greed and gluttony costed him everything. His empire, close friends, his own family. Everything. Eramis claims she wants what's best for the Eliksni, but is too blinded by rage and grief to make peace with us. She's the reason Phylaks, Praksis, and Kridis had to die. She's the one who reopened the Glassway and caused the Vex Invasion on Riis-Reborn. And after all the crimes she has committed, she dared to call us the bad guys for killing Eliksni. Eliksni, who raided settlements, ate children, and murdered without hesitation. If Eramis truly did want what was best for the Eliksni, she could've joined forces with Mithrax after she broke out of Prison. She could've signaled the Vanguard and signed an armistice or peace treaty between Humanity and House Salvation. She could've accepted Mithrax's mercy, and cut ties with the Witness, so her people could leave Europe behind and finally find peace.

[@markricheard1870]

the becky Eramis: Tries to claim Stasis for her House, fails and gets froxen by it Remnants of her House try to upload themselves into Exos, fails Eramis returns and tries to claim the 9 pieces of Nezarec, failed Fails in a fight against the Chad Mithrax Fails to even accept Eidos appeals to better nature Acts like shes a know-it-all and smarter than everyone still. THE CHAD FIKRUL: Resurrected by the combined powers of the Chad Uldren Sov and Riven, the last known Ahamkara Loses all of his friends, Scorn Legions still survive and thrive regardless Successfully lead an assault that lead to the death of Cayde and fracturing of Vanguard Leadership Successfully invaded the Dreaming City and Scorn Legions remain there to this day Gets noticed by Gigachad Rhulk and Scorn become evolved into stronger Darkness beings Immortal Allies with Xivu Arath, Calus, and Taken willingly

[@jbeverley67]

The remixed beyond light music was absolute fire

[@LuisHGarcia]

Remember when a lot of people thinking Eramis wasn't much of a villain/character back in Beyond Light? Funny what a year will do.

[@azraelwolfsblood2902]

Geneva conventions don’t qualify when you’re trying to prevent a literal universe extinction level event

[@Ukumio]

Maybe I missed something, and please tell me if I have, but around the middle of the video, a good chunk is dedicated to talking about how Eramis wanted us alive, but actually listening to the dialogue earlier in the very video (around 7:50) it's said one of her captains wanted you alive to present as a trophy. It is a bit of a leap to take this as Eramis wanting us alive rather than just the Captain wanting to curry her favor. Anyway, minor point of issue in an otherwise great video. As always!

[@princemononoke2477]

5:09 minor detail, but it seems like the Hive are mainly positioned in spots slightly out of Line of Sight for the laser towers. I like that little touch so much.

[@edwardcalvo4047]

Seraphim Station could have tech that helps it masquerade as space junk just in orbit around earth, it also might not always be around the traveler and it's orbit either now is there or it moved there more recently.

[@Toolumens]

While not officially confirmed, I feel as though seraph station may have been nothing more than an abandoned satellite until my he events of season of the worthy where Rasputin regained some system wide control, makes sense that the hidden wouldn’t have taken note because to them it would have been a floating mountain of debris

[@james.s5903]

What I found kind of surprising was that I actually ended up feeling sorry for Erimas during the Saraph Station mission, and even more so with the conversation she had with Mara.

[@noahhaupt5343]

I think the vanguard has been aware of seraph station but its orbital defense when rasputin was in control of his technology kept guardians from boarding it. Then after the black fleet arrived and xivu arath began intervening this season are we able to board the station.

[@TheMcK777]

Pretty sure that the Geneva Convention is something lost to the Golden Age as well. I think we are in the 2700s after all.

[@NinjaPipit]

"Who knows... maybe it'll be Eido." Over my cold, dead, Lightless body!

[@5q1d87]

Ok so I just bought and finished the Beyond light campaign (dw I got it on a discount) and can we Agree that Praksis is the best boss of the expansion ? MY MAN SPAWNS INTO BATTLE BY FLYING ON TOP OF A SHANK LIKE IT AIN'T ANY OF HIS BUISNESS.

[@omegalegion1769]

I wouldn't worry about the "war crime." What they see as a war crime, I see as a tactical advantage. You can achieve your goal in more ways than one this way especially if you know the enemy has evil intentions.

[@isakhagg243]

9:09 God that has me laughing my ass off. Our guardians are doing warcrimes with a spicy/happy Commander Zavala in the background smiling like a proud father.

[@Dylan_lion]

Man, when you said Eido I could help but get a little teary eyed thinking it. Eramis cares for her people, she cared enough to listen to Eidos messages and plea for a parlay. Eramis even saves her life when it she could have grabbed the relic and ran. If something would happen to Eido I don’t think Eramis would take it kindly or without retaliation.

[@Ryder42]

I could tell in the mission from the tone of her voice how defeated she was.

[@Nailfut]

> Scorn Taniks appears > Eramis:"I've had enough with him, I'm switching sides!"

[@samuelazzaro]

Byf: "Maybe Eido" The "For the Puppies" Guy: "They're welcome to try"

[@mrmr3657]

During the Obi-Wan sequence: Zavala disliked that Catial disliked that Drifter: tearing up with pride

[@Caden317]

I’m glad you finally started getting sponsors. You do great work and I love your content

[@nacho3688]

So, let it be know I’m not a lore guy, but my theory of how we didn’t know the station was there is the “Cloaking tech” Think about this way, Cayde was able to create a stealth tech that could temporarily hide from one of the most powerful beings we’ve ever encountered (that being Oryx), so imagine what Clovis bray could do with the best-of-the-best golden age tech

[@aarongeorge4885]

The false surrender doesn’t bother me at all since some fallen have eaten children according to Saint.

[@MedaMatchaElite]

Imagine if the Witness brings back Taniks as a Scorn for shits and giggles

[@sebastiangalls7020]

Best guess, the City knew about Seraph Station, but since it never threatened the City, they never bothered with it

[@DigiThorn]

9:04 *Guardians:* “Do you mean the Genova Suggestions?”

[@Bug-Intercourser]

6:35 we probably just thought it was a normal space station and mister vuvuzela just couldn't give a fuck about it

[@RMLK]

18:53 for his final inspirational words before Christmas.

[@DedlyAidan]

"there are laser barriers we haven't been able to bypass yet" fun fact: those laser barriers can be very easily bypassed with Eager Edge

[@foliagedcarcass]

The Guardian: “if you want what’s best for the eliksni, you shouldn’t be allied with the witness, he’s using you just like he used savathun.” Eramis: scoffs* “you know nothing traveller-spawn. My ketch is coming, you better run pawn. While you can” The Guardian: “The eliksni will not survive. forget what the traveller did to you and your people.” Ghost: “ I’m sorry for what the traveller did to your home and your people, if you can’t forgive it, You can understand it. The witness chanced it across solar systems. It blessed your home with its light, the black fleet forced it to leave.” Eramis: “have you ever wondered why the traveller is fleeing the black fleet? Your “benevolent god is nothing more than a coward, who abandons all who worships it.” Ghost: “The deep isn’t the path, look to the sky as savathun did.” The guardian: “She saw through the witness, as I see through you…your afraid…afraid of the witness, of xivu arath, of the scorn. You talk about the chains the traveller has over me, but you submit your own brothers and sisters into the witness’s hands to become these undead puppets, (kicks dead scorn) Your hypocrisy will be your undoing. “ (Aims weapon) The Guardian: “Im only gonna say this once, surrender and your people can be saved from themselves. Ghost: “Or you can let all of your people become scorn, it’s your choice.” Ghost: “the eliksni can live in the tower along with the house of light, your people will be in the protection of the guardians and the traveller, they can be safe… (Optional continuation of the cutscene cause I went too far) Eramis:”so The Young Wolf, hero of the city, machine spawn,murderer of my people: provides mercy to me.” Where was that mercy, when you kill my people, phylacks? or uldren sov?” Poor Cayde-6 to weak with this travellers “gifts” to save himself. and you Guardian,to weak to save him.” (Punch) “They call you hero, but your nothing more than a murderer.” (The guardian ignites fist) (Hesitates on killing Eramis) (Unignites fist) (Reaches out hand to Eramis) (Eramis takes it) (The scene ends)

[@IvoryTempestCandleOfStories]

EXTREMELY........UNDERRATED.........COMMENT!!!!! Goodness you have an imagination that matches mine almost perfectly (Except of course the guardian is me in my mind, but still...)!

[@foliagedcarcass]

@@IvoryTempestCandleOfStories thanks man appreciate

[@the_maker1841]

"a sister . . . a mother." this line represents and foreshadows some things and my mind raced when I heard it

[@jrockz133t]

The station may be tied to one lore card in D1 about the Traveler being possibly shot down by Rasputin, but I don't know

[@steelgriffin7716]

THANK YOU. I was DESPERATE You'd bring this up! The Hesitance in her voice. The obvious suffering and resigned tone. *Then her conversation with Mara afterward.* I hate to see what's going to happen... Because it's a tragedy and it's going to beget More. But yea, Mara has Eramis' number at word One. I'm seeing death flags all over Eramis at this point. Her continued, but very hesitant devotion to the witness. Even if it's hesitant and pained, she's maintaining it in the face of the punishment of her house and seeing her people warped in Wrathborn or raised Scorn(which includes some of her closest friends). My fear is that she'll finally rebel and aid us only to be be killed by the Witness and raised Scorn. And we'll have to put her down, possibly even with her having enough of her mind left waver between raging at us for everything, and begging us to kill her. The other possibility is maybe we'll see the conjecture i've seen of her being the first Eliksni Lightbearer. I'm sure the explanation here has been done to death... But did want to add that we have a candidate Ghost for it already. Remember a ghost named Pulled Pork that just... showed up in the lore out of nowhere in the Season of the Forge? All done up pretty in Reef purple? You know, *Glint*? Even if none of this happens, I can't help but feel like Tokki is going to be important at some point. I had a rant here about my thoughts on Seraph Station coming in out of nowhere, but I've condensed it. Did you know you can see the ISS with the naked eye? It's only a bright star for most people, but it's the third brightest object in the eye and details can be made out with a half decent telescope. It's about the size of an American Football field. Seraph Station, despite being in a higher orbit looks MUCH MUCH MUCH larger. You can probably see the damn thing with the naked eye and also make out details with a telescope. Also the Red Legion probably should have seen the damn thing when they attacked. Same with the City's satellite network before the Red Legion destroyed it. It wasn't there before, I think. It was moved to that position at some point, some how.

[@stfenoki6621]

I can imagine the dialogue, her just shooting at us, wailing and praising the witness, then her taking hold of herself enough to whimper a plead for death, absolutely devastating

[@celestialspartan1176]

12:05 This quote makes me feel sorry for Eramis. You can tell that she views the Scorn as abominations, like all other Eliksni do. It makes me wonder if she’s gonna redeem herself by the time The Final Shape rolls around. But, we’ll have to wait and see.

[@walshy1760]

7:08 *Notices what the door looks like* get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head

[@Giantspaz]

Other than Stealth tech, the only other reason I can think of is that this Station was already under Rasputin's control before he got shut down. That way no one would touch it before Warmind. After you'd probably still want to clearance for the station but no one ever did and it never came up in Seraph because it wasn't vital to launching new warsats and was already connected to the network. Well that's the only thing I can come up with off the top of my head. But we'll see if any new lore entries clarify this.

[@ShinraTogami]

Do love how the Hive call in the Splicers as Tech Support

[@Elxroid]

yeah there's stuff about the Geneva convention about false surrender, but that only applies when you enemies are human and we basically do flamethrower stuff if you run any decent solar build so we can look over the immorality in this case.

[@jameskarg3240]

Yeeeeah, Eriamis sounded SO defeated telling us. I couldnt tell what was more broken, Praxis body or her spirit

[@paladinfrozo8767]

6:31 On the point about how we didn’t notice the seraph station above the city We didn’t know there was a seraph bunker in the Edz before season of the worthy nor the one on the moon it’s fair to say that if Rasputin didn’t want something to be found it wouldn’t be found

[@Kadyis]

The Dialogue between Osiris, and Eramis at the end of heists after the seasons final cutscene sounds like Eramis regretting some choices she’s made and even doubted the Witness more.

[@Butter_Warrior99]

My Hunter: But what about my empty Head mount?

[@noabsolutelynot3660]

My guess for the Seraph station is it's not directly above the city and it's just the largest of many Rasputin-connected sattelites in orbit, so nobody touched it because nobody wanted to mess with Rasputin and because it was defended heavily with warsats. The risk/reward ratio made no sense so it didn't matter, just another Rasputin installation. As for after big red went down, well, my guess is everyone was busy with Europa, DSC, and the disappearance of the planets. DSC probably overshadowed the station for the Hidden.

[@HobbitoTown]

"hey guardian, remember that time when we did some little trolling to the fallen, good times" Elsie to the Guardian, about committing war crimes