Destiny 2 Lore - What Clovis Bray Found on the other side of the Glassway Portal! (The Forge star!)

[@netomdam]

"Temperature 222k" = 222 Kelvin, not 222 thousand degrees

[@Fedico7000]

This

[@Cpt_John_Price]

I actually laughed at this.

[@euruskreacatoa2370]

ill let this slide just this once

[@davidteel7701]

I came here to comment on this. Interestingly, this is very cold. 273K is 0C, so this is about 50C below freezing.

[@menacingcoyote9346]

@@davidteel7701 Superconductors require extremely low temperatures to work, so it makes sense

[@shawncounts5487]

*Bursts into Vault of Glass* Where are the damn memes, Atheon? He told me you had them!

[@nickmurphy2936]

OK, whoever is doing the sciencey writing at Bungie is doing a fantastic job, kudos to them.

[@euruskreacatoa2370]

They deserve way more than what they are getting

[@Cpt_John_Price]

Seth dickenson wrote it.

[@nickmurphy2936]

@@Cpt_John_Price Good to know, thanks.

[@sirsanti8408]

It is a little unclear whether it’s 222,000 degrees or 222 Kelvin but that’s about it

[@nickmurphy2936]

@@sirsanti8408 If you mean the internal temperature of the exobody, I suspect it's kelvin because if it weren't, then it would not be a very functional body for long. Probably keeps the internals at sub-zero temperatures to keep advanced electronics supercooled and running at high efficiency maybe?

[@akriusfinch]

This is why I love the vex and their lore, being able to refuel a star and use it as a forge is no small feat

[@fishnutz5196]

Vex are my fav too even more so that the Hive. We know the Hive and their rankings. What scares me is i feel we havent even touched the surface of the strongest Vex Minds in the universe

[@ccstudios]

Byf: "This is really cool lore, let me know what you guys think in the comments!" The comments: *"Vex memes"*

[@misterasa183]

I realized something: The research from the "Bonus Appendages" tests performed at Eventide were probably what eventually became, through Praksis, the design for the Eliksni exobody design we encounter in the DSC raid. It's partially because of Clovis that we had to fight Atraks-1.

[@XIIthehangedmanXII]

It's entirely because of him, he invented exos xD

[@FrostReach66]

Probably one of my favorite lore entries/books in all of Destiny… learning about an entire solar system converted by the vex, and a star exceeding its lifespan by billions of years is so interesting… especially from an astronomy major! I truly love this game

[@frankmigliore9240]

If you’re an astronomy major, is what an extremely advanced interstellar civilization’s energy source would look like?

[@shnooble100]

I would absolutely love to see someone gather all the cool physics and astronomical science in the lore and have a physicist react to it, like those Wired videos!

[@FrostReach66]

@@frankmigliore9240 possibly, what the vex did to this star system was a more advanced object of something called a Dyson sphere, a structure able to harness the energy of a star. Prolonging the life of a star this long though… I don’t know if that is currently possible to our understanding of physics, especially not a hyper giant, but this is fiction after all and although the lore makers understand the universe, they put their own Destiny spin on it!

[@FrostReach66]

@@shnooble100 that’d be awesome, I’m only in undergrad so I wouldn’t be a good example as of now😂

[@volodymyrboitchouk]

@@FrostReach66 if I remember correctly what the vex are doing is a combination of a Dyson swarm and star lifting. Extending the life of a star by removing heavy metals from its core and adding more hydrogen is not necesarily impossible and has been theorized as a way to extend the life of our sun as well as something to be done to other stars one day. As a solution to the low amounts of heavy metals in the early universe it is quite ingenious, though I wonder where the vex got enough metal to build such a structure in the first place...

[@therewillbefire1833]

As an engineer in training the scientific description of vex milk properties is fascinating.

[@Damienn1776]

It is indeed!

[@lkv0315]

The fluid??? Nah I’m all about the star system. The insane engineering that the Vex pulled off for that to work is incredible

[@therewillbefire1833]

@@lkv0315 It is a marvel yes, but sadly not one we have seen in game. It does bring an interesting question however, why do the vex use bronze? Both copper and tin (the components to bronze) are more resource intensive than say titanium or iron, both objectively stronger metals. The properties of bronze (maybe for its mailability and possible use in electromotors?) must be worth it to them.

[@wrigglenight93]

There Will Be Fire! Why do the vex occasionally build a couple statues of themselves? Weird robots them

[@driverslineocsz4418]

The more I try to understand the vex, the more chaos theory gets simpler.

[@kidoliva]

You don't really know what you are talking about? You are just trying to sound cool.

[@nekoboy-1358]

Damn..I thought vex were just a holes and I slaughtered them without mercy, now I just see them..."lost"

[@capttinklebutt3837]

@@kidoliva Every party needs a pooper, that's why they invited you. Party Pooper! Party Pooper!

[@driverslineocsz4418]

@@kidoliva if you’re giving a statement (ends with a period or can be joined with another statement by a comma, but you closed with a question mark ) you probably don’t even know. 20 points on the movie reference though.

[@dreadlord8628]

There's order even in Chaos makes since with the Vex, they're the oldest race in Destiny.

[@Atodaso]

*_There's an almost unreadable data artifact here, labeled 'OXA'. It's heavily corrupted, but I'm able to make out 'MSund12' from the access log. What is 'OXA' and who was 'MSund12'?_*

[@jhsrt985]

The future reading oxa box thing that psions use to see the future. I think FWC stole it or they made they're own version of it. The other thing you said is maya sundaresh

[@Atodaso]

@@jhsrt985 haha, thanks for the reply. Yea, I was quoting the game in reference to the video subject/content.

[@Atodaso]

@@jhsrt985 MSUND12 would potentially be the twelfth iteration of a simulated Maya Sundaresh - interesting stuff

[@jhsrt985]

@@Atodaso o ok I thought I was missing something lolll

[@ahmedalmuhairi81]

@@Atodaso Thanks bro I never made that connection. That was referencing M. Sunderesh way back in Insight Terminus. Nice! But does the 12 imply that she became an exo? That doesn't match what happened in that operating room!

[@etheriousdragneel9002]

Damn.. I originally had a thought that the vex might be the garden, but now, it makes more sense if they were survivors of the flower game

[@DavidManser]

Indeed the Vex are the shape that the universe tended towards before the Gardener "broke" the game and shattered the first Garden.

[@detonater7441]

@@DavidManser if I remember correctly even that didn’t kill the vex (which is quite cool IMO since that means even after the end of the dark and light storylines we still have the vex - maybe they’ll play a big part in the final shape DLC)

[@LOVEMUFFIN_official]

@@detonater7441 Or they’re what comes after…

[@kasumiayanami4501]

Belmon and/or Transcendent Mind has returned to the Void… D1 scrapped DLC name: Vex Void 🤔😳

[@knightartorias746]

Maybe that’s why we never got a Vex DLC in D1.

[@franciscocastaneda7296]

sumire what are you doing here?

[@garrettviewegh677]

I never thought I’d hear Clovis say the words: “Vex memes”.

[@nichpaen]

This was a amazing read. The Vex are just on a whole other technological level we cant even marvel at.

[@JohnWilliamsFromBluff]

If they're so advanced, why can't they shoot straight, why are their weapons so weak (Guardians can be hit multiple times and only suffer minor damage), why do the drones move so slowly, and why is their armour so weak (one or two shots from a decent Guardian weapon is enough to kill them). Seriously, the mismatch between the Vex lore and gameplay is a gaping chasm of plot-hole, or something ....

[@drgoodcat1826]

@@JohnWilliamsFromBluff as calus once said, the vex we fight in this system are builders, mere architects. The wyverns are the first combat frames we have seen

[@olivitarium2720]

Infected by vex memes indeed

[@TheDuke659]

"They who entered the Speaker's chambers as master and apprentice were bitter rivals when they left." -Brother Vance

[@Catspoken]

So, to summarize the evaluation of Vex cognition, they are in the most literal and basic terms, “built differently”. “if i were on fire i would simply extinguish the fire”

[@lkv0315]

I think it’s not “if I were on fire I would extinguish it” and more of a “this is hot, time to make it un-hot” kind of thought process

[@wrigglenight93]

Prodigy Logic that’s the more Human thought process actually. A Vex would just recognize fire and know instinctively that fire=extinguish. Reasons such as pain that would justify it for us are extra steps for them

[@christianyaerger1751]

They produced problems rather than reduced them. They are the pinnacle of cooperation. And they create complex, recursive realities. When you think about it... The Vex not aligned with the Black Garden follow the philosophy of the Gardener to aT.

[@sundew3848]

That pinnacle of cooperation is aimed at the annihilation of other pinnacles of cooperation. and those complex, recursive realities, are but false imitations of reality. The Vex's goal is to assimilate the entire universe into a single massive Vex construct. They do not follow the Gardener's philosophies, they perhaps unknowingly follow the path of Darkness.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

Is it really co-operative if its with yourself? Vex are essentially 1 mind, after all. As for the vex being aligned, they typically aren't, in that they hate and fear paracausal entities. They technically follow the darkness, because the seek to make everything them, and apparently, in the garden before time, the vex are what resulted of the first system regressing into a single loop, the strongest loop that subsumed everything else into itself. Or something like that, my explanations are trash.

[@awkwardllama0509]

The idea of the Vex tormenting copies of us they produce reminds me of Roko’s Basalisk. The idea that a singularity-type AI may one day arise and make an example of those people who either willfully attempted to stop it’s creation or did nothing to aid it via infinate torment of perfect recreations of those people’s minds.

[@anthonyfanchin1144]

The Forge Star? As in the “asset” that Mara Sov mentioned to the Emissary a while back in Forsaken?

[@garrettviewegh677]

The question is: how could the forge Star be and asset? And to whom? More importantly, if that is what Mara was referring to, what could/would she use it for?

[@FM39__]

I think the msund12 in kargen is M. Sundaresh

[@lorenhall9058]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@cas7580]

4 minutes in and I'm already a very very happy planetary scientist.

[@LeElister64]

At some point, we'll need a video explaining the complete story of the Vex. I know about the pattern, the Black Garden and 2082 Volantis but I'm not sure how they transition from one another. Plus, how did the Vex get to Venus without invading the rest of Sol and why did they create important stuff (VoG and the Infinite Forest) in our system instead of in an empty one ?

[@joaoschmidt7777]

What if those Vex are just scouts and we've never faced a true powerful Vex?

[@CallumLawn]

I really love this Clovis series, thanks Byf!

[@rayden120]

When all the Clovis lore is finally done there should be a playlist of them in chronological order to enjoy the story in it's entirety

[@joelbarr1163]

I started playing post-sunsetting. Just realized that MSUND-12 mentioned in one of the Nessus strikes is M. Sundaresh mentioned in Bray logs

[@daniellewis3330]

1:50 Fun fact: spintronics is an actual thing, despite sounding like technobabble. It's the study of electron spin and how it can be exploited in magnetism and computation. One of my lab colleagues is specializing in it for her own thesis work.

[@foto9254]

thank you byf, this helped me take a the nap i needed. insomnia sucks but you make it better

[@balintkeszthelyi1293]

"they are able to, effectively create whatever matter they want from this star?" - If they aren't bending the laws of reality then they can only go up to iron (fusion after that isn't exo- but endothermic, meaning it needs more energy than what it could produce). Any heavier atom is created in other forms (like a supernova).

[@joshuasmith6909]

I recognize M Sunderesh from the Insight Terminus strike. MSUND12 accessed some sort of data logs, according to Ghost.

[@nadienadie9256]

He found Candice and the secrets of Joe.

[@zelky1394]

Who the hell is Steve Jobs?

[@geraldkeralvi2594]

What's ligma

[@shreyasganesh7476]

@@geraldkeralvi2594 ligma nuts

[@user-in5nk6gz9e]

We don't talk about DN here..

[@EvanLands]

@@zelky1394 Deez nuts

[@aag_zeta]

Yo, what if we get to go there, and we take ADA-1 and Elsie with us?! This is basically a enormous forge, right? And Ada-1 being an Exo of the Black Armoury and Elsie having actually been there before, if we can harness the forge for ourselves, imagine the possibilities! Better gear, farther reaching ships, we could probably rebuild Failsafe and Rasputin, CREATE A WHOLE NEW WEAPON FORGE, we may even be able to analyze the ziggurat on Europa! I knew I was born to be a warlock...

[@Supernova094]

Would be nice if someone makes a game with this lore where you can actually discover and explore this stuff.

[@joshuavidrine889]

Truly, this would make for a great campaign, possibly involving a player being a space wizard warrior. Maybe as they go through the ruins of this ancient colonial laboratory system, they stumble across holograms explaining this or little time warps that send them into the past to witness these things. Shame it's just a book.

[@mal9507]

Man, don’t ya just hate it when you get infected by Vex memes?

[@ajaxrao6042]

Imagine the Vex's version of cringy and edgy memes

[@KoPT01]

Vex memes be kinda sus.

[@seeker_rodan3113]

Who needs a spaceship that travels light years when we have a vex network essentially under our feet, essentially, everywhere

[@tecnza]

Oh man this story is SO fascinating! Damn I would like to read entire books about how amazing Vex are.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

"When we are infected by Vex memes"

[@bobisconsumed520]

Dont worry, Vex can’t meme

[@bobisconsumed520]

“Infected by Vex memes” Nani? But the Vex can’t meme.

[@darthball2723]

Bob how was it as your time before becoming taken?

[@lastwymsi]

Memes is short for "Memetics" We use it as a term to reference symbols and patterns we share and pass around where they seem to worm their way into our pyche in such a mannor as that we replicate them. Honestly, it's extremely vex like! How... *vexing*

[@bobisconsumed520]

@@darthball2723 which time? Time aint so linear for me. Only constant is Rasputin.

[@proudlarry8225]

You've only met regular Vex thus far, and Quria's taken Vex. Even the Sol Divisive cannot meme, despite being detractors following the Darkness. But you must be wondering, if there are Vex that detract from the collective and follow the Darkness, where are the Vex that detract from the collective to study the memery of the Light? You have yet to witness the full meme capacity of the Sol Compassion under Naxos: Radical Mind.

[@Aulakauss]

The Vex _are_ memes.

[@anthonymiranda6967]

God coming back to listen to this after season of the seraph and spire of the watcher dungeon and veil containment logs just puts so much into place

[@stevenwoodbury4227]

The more I learn of the vex and Clovis the more I'm convinced he will somehow be responsible for the creation of the vex. They have similar goals, thoughts, and time travel.

[@fischkirchhoff3375]

Hey Byf, I was just looking through the comments. I just wanted to apologize for the people who feel its important to critically correct you on something unimportant, instead of telling you how amazing you videos are, and being appreciative for all the work you do to help us understand the lore of the game we love.

[@vandal5101]

This has zero relation to anything byf talked about but I noticed half way through that spent shell casings are being ejected from a revolver and it’s going to bother me to no end from now on

[@Kaptain13Gonzo]

Dang. I went back and looked. Grrrr. Revolvers don't side port eject spent cases. Now I'll be looking at all my guns.

[@PineappleKiller16]

Oh my god how have I never noticed

[@Moos398]

Oh fuck off now i cant unsee it...

[@vectorgeist]

Bungo lore writers are really hit or miss with their knowledge of firearms

[@achair7265]

Ya I noticed that even before the video, my friend saw from his prospective/pov.

[@kiriodust]

I don't know how long it has been since a lore video has made stop what I was doing so that I can fully focus in on said lore that I was listening to!

[@joeyc4836]

Maybe I missed a lore entry but it seems to me this would be the first event of a human stepping outside of our solar system. I know this all focused on Clovis and Vex and Exos but think of the expedition!

[@3hobbitsinacoat]

I feel like the fact that the vex where on a planet that was one of the first formed. supports the theory that they were from the garden of the traveler and the winnower

[@darthball2723]

I can't wait to see how this vex portal is taken care of

[@lorenhall9058]

Nicely done Byf. I feel this is one of the better lore cards readings yet.

[@IDdrifter102]

I want to see this place in game and I want a collection of steel books from D2 Lore all the way from D1 to to current D2. Heck a series telling these stories and movies in between. C'mon Bungie when??

[@paperbea]

I guess M. Sundaresh is the same we hear about at the end of 'the insight terminus' ?

[@theawesomesausage]

MSund. I felt like such a clever lad when I connected the dots.

[@bspoon2529]

yes the same

[@thegaspoweredmidget117]

So let me just get this right the VEX essentially made a Dyson sphere out of various different giant plates and are using it to harness and create various different metals and elements ????

[@HamGoingCam]

I think Clovis is still alive in a bunker somewhere still perfecting his shiny exo body. The giant head is just a distraction to keep Ana and Elsie busy

[@Thankfuldead]

More like perfecting guns at the tower.

[@HamGoingCam]

@@Thankfuldead nah man I'm telling y'all there's another Clovis among us. Hiding in the shadows

[@owlmangaming2076]

I dig that spinal tap reference

[@devzeppelin1911]

This would be a badass destination to visit

[@otakusenpai_owo3493]

We must find out more about the ‘vex memes’

[@Bowzer_Kell_Of_Koopas]

So many connections made because of this video and lore tab. The explanation of how the Vex actually function, about taking orders from a higher power. Sounds a lot like Siva, and Clovis did mention that he didn't want Rasputin to get a hold of any of that data. So - how did Rasputin get ahold of Siva? (Maybe I missed some old lore, still learning about the Destiny Universe). And Bungie, PLEASE!!, let us go to the Forge Star!

[@elmott3661]

What if we’re just part of a vex simulation where the traveler never came to our system

[@pandapple3893]

Intro with lore mummy

[@DredgenStorm]

Maya Sundaresh seems to be such a recurring character that I am now 100% positive we'll be dealing with her, or a version of her, at some point soon.

[@Leadbraw]

Where else is she?

[@DredgenStorm]

@@Leadbraw much of the Lore surrounding the Ishtar Collective has her name littered about it, the Insight Terminus briefly mentions her, and she's directly involved with FWC as one of their former leaders

[@austinsutton27]

She was most definitely using Sleeper Simulant on them Vex.

[@bagz8388]

Mama mia thats a spicy exo! Yeah as other posted, definitely Kelvin.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

0:40 pretty sure they assumed that much since their whole plan hinges on going there and coming back with stuff.

[@tsumix12]

Keep it going lore daddy lol. Not gonna get old, but your content is amazing and love listening to your lore videos. So please bring more up. Specially from this lore story.

[@maniceliksni2705]

honestly all im here for is the science behind the vec star system. its pretty fucking epic how they describe it

[@branthro6492]

Another great vid Byf. As for the Vex, idk I'm still very lukewarm on them. They just feel like a filler enemy most of the time due to their lack of prominent enemies that actually do anything. Quria has really been the only Vex remotely interesting/threatening, and I feel like that isn't going to change now. A shame really, it just feels like we're getting into the Vex far too late

[@allenoriti2246]

Great video Byf

[@crimsonhunter8997]

The vex are basically the borg from Star Trek TNG.

[@thedarkgenious7967]

Using the 2019 Solstice armor? I see Lore Daddy has good taste.

[@ctemp3246]

Ay Byf, do you have plans to cover Shayura and the stories from the most recent Trials armour and the new Trials SMG? I’d love to hear your take on it

[@bspoon2529]

the hive thrall screaming her name is super creepy lol

[@ChrisAce117]

It would be cool to know why the vex built frames, was it just to respond to the invading team, or are they general utilities used to interact with the word around them. Haven't read ahead but when they first arrive they see no frames walking around or working on things

[@erinkarp6317]

Funny enough I was just reading up on the Vex Forge Star earlier today, lmao

[@dazzle1641]

Imagine that they add a raid that includes VOG and DSC built by the vex.

[@GB-sh9st]

This literal starforge would be amazing to see but the story of Destiny is really focused on Sol...

[@sirgideonofnir6840]

I was hoping the vex network would have been more like their constructs instead of the Tron game. But the vex are like a technological eldrich horror. The more you try to understand them, a human brain couldn't comprehend it.

[@sonicrose8430]

14:41 ''MEMES! The DNA of the soul!''

[@iucidium1982]

KOJIMAAAAAAAAA!

[@tropicalhorizongaming5459]

I really hope we get to see this in game one day

[@Sky_Ler2000]

Just the fact that the vex can refuel a star shows how powerful these machines truly are.

[@achair7265]

Cyborgs in a sense

[@achair7265]

As alive as a liquid race gets.

[@serinahighcomasi2248]

God, I love the Vex and their technology. So fascinating.

[@4realm8rusirius]

14:42 Ha Ha funny Vex memes

[@GlitchManOmega]

Someone call the Planet Jackers, the Vex apparently know how to keep stars burning.

[@pjblessing4489]

Perhaps Valantis2082 will end up being a new and original Vex Raid? I definintly would love that!

[@brianransom6990]

so the vex can do star lifting that cool to know

[@kylilin]

I’ve always wonder why the darkness, whose sole purpose is to end life, would help reveal the secrets of near immortality to Clovis Bray?

[@garrettviewegh677]

It could be the Darkness wanted him to create the Exos and trick him into letting the vex invade the solar system for some unseen goal. Regardless, Clovis was probably just being manipulated as a puppet in the Darkness’s grand plan.

[@deathfuzz]

@@garrettviewegh677 it could be a test of strength. If clovis kills the invading vex he can take the vex milk and earn immortality until he is killed.

[@RhapsodicXStyle07]

Is this lore reading as a science fiction enthusiast dream

[@BleachBtch]

I remember reading this Lore when it first came out, definitely one of the coolest ones aside from the Banshee/Clovis lore 🙏👀

[@AugustusBohn0]

I suspect whoever wrote this lore was an SFIA fan. Starlifting, orbital mirrors, a Dyson Swarm, and more recurring topics from his channel

[@silverlining24]

Well, now we know that M.Sund-12 was likely one of Clovis Bray's subordinates.

[@jjboii1927]

Can u post more about the warframe storyline I love ur videos about them

[@eaturbrainz183]

I know this is meant to focus on Clovis, but is anyone else getting Toland vibes from Maya Sundaresh? I just realized she could have the potential, to use Toland's words, "to be our Virgil" with regards to the Vex (as he was to our knowledge of the Hive). I just hope we have some interaction with her eventually, because she can shed some much needed light (no pun intended) on the only enemy we know so little about.

[@adisboy351]

Big daddy lore man

[@paularmstrong1348]

So is nobody currently making exos? Will they soon be extinct?

[@FourKings13]

The Vex forge star reminds me of the starforge from kotor. Both are mechanical monstrosities built to create tremendous resources by ancient alien races.

[@kfchero2]

14:42 Vex: Memes, the DNA of the soul

[@silverthehero1295]

The Vex build their bodies and structures from materials farmed from stars nearly as old as the universe(s). And we rip them apart like tin foil.

[@Subsistence69]

Mark my words, Vex Memes will be my bungo name when crossplay comes

[@jackbrowning1567]

It would be sick if we got to visit a star forge in a dlc after lighfall for the new saga of Destiny

[@Incredible_username]

I’ve just realized who MSund 12 is

[@TheRealGarg]

I need to see it in game!!!

[@mybedissoft]

So who made the Vex though? Were the Vex originally just some Organic Alien Species that ended up making themselves into the Vex while building Voltanis? Did an Alien Species make the Vex to build Voltanis for them or something? Or did the Vex just come into being as they are some other way? It’s interesting that Clovis has the assumption that there was an Alien Species on one of the nearby rocky planets surrounding the Star that did everything, maybe it’s a hint or maybe it’s literally nothing but him making an assumption. Either way, I find it interesting that it gets brought up.

[@twinkelz77]

I gotta show this to my man Anton Petrov

[@MalcIgg]

Awsome lore reading and more new stuff I as a newer player to Destiny wouldn't have known... also can anyone tell me where is that footage from, after the lore text scrolling, some Vex mission no longer in the game? thanks Byf

[@Awoken_Remmuz]

That is one of the exo training simulations that pops up as post story content in the beyond light expansion.