Destiny 2: The Final Shape Had A BRUTAL Launch

[@therealstarMoses]

Minus the Servers at launch, I think bungie Nailed the final shape. Shit felt ethereal.

[@chase5436]

Bellular gotta get that drama in. The server issues lasted 12 hours on the launch of their most anticipated expansion to date. I've dealt with worse problems in the golden age of both WoW and FFXIV. It's the nature of a massive multiplayer game. The real news is that Bungie actually stuck the landing and Final Shape has been widely regarded as one of their best expansions. Bungie has some of the best developers in the industry and it is amazing what they are capable of when they aren't being constantly constrained by the suits. Lightfall was a suit expansion, Final Shape is the developer's expansion. Hopefully this massive shift in sentiment finally slaps the suits in the face or just gets Sony to accept that management is absolutely the problem at Bungie.

[@snowdrifter6187]

Endwalker and stormblood had way worse at launch kinda what happens when people are excited to play your game.

[@gstreetgames2530]

The whole AAA video game industry is all fucked up. Long live the Independents!

[@cooldudeninja0219]

Kinda Ironic cause Bungie did go independent...

[@gstreetgames2530]

@@cooldudeninja0219 No

[@dustinshilala4802]

Um. Indie studios are no different with server issues. How quickly we forget Last Epoch and Helldivers.

[@Greg-sd4lj]

​@@dustinshilala4802Trying to compare arrowhead with bungie is a wild take.

[@gstreetgames2530]

@@dustinshilala4802 Um Acktually! Who said anything about server issues?

[@heavymetallabrat]

After completing the Final shape campaign.... i can 100% say brothers its time to come back to destiny 2. Get in here. Its a very good expansion. They retooled everything and there is fan service everywhere.

[@shawnmeade7251]

Same same

[@alexkirschner9672]

Facts, I took a break after lightfall and I have re fallen back in love with D2

[@SickNezz998]

i have lost the ability to care about destiny or bungie, i dont like being upset.

[@SkywalkerOne1977]

I don't like paying $50+ in seasonal activities that you lose after 1 year. Especially when the story continues in the season content.

[@Benny_B0O0]

@@SkywalkerOne1977it’s crazy that people accept these price tags, actual highway robbery

[@SkywalkerOne1977]

@@Benny_B0O0 Seriously. If they advertised a $50 "1-year access", no one would buy it. But that's what it is.

[@FakuaBlock]

@@SkywalkerOne1977 Drip feed content is what killed Destiny 2 for me. Soon as they left Activision the game just fell off so hard.

[@SkywalkerOne1977]

@@FakuaBlock I enjoyed the seasons a lot, but I hated that they couldn't just stay in the game. My solution would have been to allow a "World Tier" like in Diablo, and just let me download the world up to that year's expansion (like Halo MCC) as desired. Literally no harm there.

[@arthanor9631]

Destiny 2, best enjoyed on heavy sale once the worst of the bugs are ironed out. Free yourself from the grind and the drip fed content, buy the expansion if you want on super discount to go through the campaign, then realize there's nothing worth the time investment after that.

[@gamerguru2924]

The bugs are never ironed out and it only goes on sale after a year by then nobody cares. They killed the game dead

[@FakuaBlock]

I dont think anyone should buy it, need to protest Bungie. Their content sucks.

[@compassionatecurmudgeon7025]

TBH the campaign, the story, the gameplay, it's all so bland. It's the video game version of the ol' TV show Lost. It's all plot threads with little to no pay off for any of it... Even the raids are boring affairs with very specific esoteric requirements to complete them. All they can think of for a raid boss is 'it's invincible unless ______'. Sorry, I'm resentful at how much time I spent trying to like the game because friends play it.

[@63Limar]

@@compassionatecurmudgeon7025 idk its pretty cool. Just don't play pvp seriously and its fun.

[@arthanor9631]

@compassionatecurmudgeon7025 yeah, the time commitment is massive. And if you're not having fun with number randomly goes up, or grinding efficiency slowly improving to hopefully one day get the roll you want, you shouldn't play. And that's omitting the huge FOMO issue...

[@DagothDaddy]

I feel bad for Destiny fans. They had at most 6 months in 2016 out of the ten years the game has existed where they could say "Destiny is a good game." And it could speak for itself they didn't need to give a 45 minute lecture full of cope to try and back up that statement.

[@darrylnewman292]

Honestly stop playing destiny when the first one came out when I found out that they chopped up the game for DLC

[@Sen-wah]

Imagine thinking that the game was only good for a random period of 6 months

[@kylenader7276]

@@Sen-wahthe peak periods was Taken King to Age of Triumph and the next period was the end of Warmind to Season of Arrivals everything else was shit no need to cope it

[@coasterplay1062]

What are you talking about? Destiny is a fantastic game in most regards. Of course there is always some drama but the game itself is phenomenal. I am sick of people who obviously dont play the game act like they know so much better.

[@SymbioteMullet]

The core of destiny is fantastic, it's full of runny jumpy shooty goodness. It's really fun just to _play._ But it wastes your time with slightly too much grind, bad rng, and then there'd the godawful monetisation and fomo. Also Bungie haven't done the best job hitting the fun/difficulty sweet spot in the last few years, their campaigns tend to spike upwards in toughness unexpectedly in weird places. It just gets in It's own way, it can't destiny properly because It's trying too hard to destiny. I haven't played in 6 or 7 months, and I don't yet know if I'll pick up the final shape yet. I really want to like destiny...

[@RD22x]

Was sorted in 12 hours and we in Northern Ireland werent affected that badly by it you absolute helmet

[@theshimario253]

every single expansion has had this problem. They've had years to fix this issue but they didnt. they have no excuse.

[@Benny_B0O0]

Witch queen and lightfall didn’t have the server issues except for the wq raid. I theorize they didn’t want to spend extra money on renting servers for launch this dlc since they’re scumbags

[@dragonriderabens9761]

given that they are far, FAR from the only company in existence to suffer from this issue...nah games of all sizes suffer from server issues when a big launch happens doesn't matter if you're a AAA company with all the money in the world of a 1 man indie passion project, you will have server issues when a big launch happens which tells me it's just something we need to learn to live with

[@dragonriderabens9761]

@@Benny_B0O0 nah not when EVERY company has server issues for a big launch of all the issues Destiny 2 has had over the past year, this is probably the only one I can live with, because I'm not new to live service games

[@falcon5190]

Instead of fixing issues they deleted old content and open world planet maps to "free up space." Now Final Shape will be 165GB download and this time they magically don't need to free up space by deleting content people paid for?

[@Luckydave123]

​@@falcon5190final shape is about 50 gb Wtf you talkin

[@velorama-x]

I will never forgive Bungie for vaulting content i paid for. Every day Bungie eats shit because of D2 is a good day.

[@ladyx5556]

👍

[@TheForgottenStag]

Well all the guns are back just the planet ls are just so download heavy

[@Lightning9060]

The Final Shape is great, the story finished on quite a bit of hype in the community.

[@MarcusBach-t2q]

Jesus, what a toxic community. Destiny 2 Final Shape looks great and im more then happy that you are not playing it. Thanks for not ruining a great experience!

[@AardvarkPaysOff]

After Lightfall came out Aztecross tweeted this on the 5th of march 2023: "Lol. Look the campaign could’ve been better but everything else is 10/10." It was at that point I realized that his ability to score things is non existent, so I wouldn't take his 10/10 score as acuate any day of the week

[@Jinroxxux]

well dont worry final shape is good

[@GorehowlBeardhead]

I like how you hone in one the one tweet that fits your narrative and dismiss the hundred that directly refute it :')

[@colby8104]

​​@@GorehowlBeardheadHe chose the tweet of the last expansion after it released that gave a numbered score. How is that fitting a narrative? Cope harder

[@jjwardyjj]

I agree with him. Strand is awesome. Neomuna is great. But the campaign needed work

[@T2NWasTaken]

What is the most annoying thing in this dlc is reuse of the same HUGE sponge boss... Every fight was so unnecessary long and boring with this waiting in pool for prismatic ugh.

[@KeanuChrist]

I had server issues in the very beginning of the launch but by the evening time, I was able to start pushing through the Legend campaign. I’m pretty sure my friend, and I are about halfway now.

[@BennyLlama]

How do you like it so far? Lightfall pushed me out of the game, and I'm wondering if it's worth reinstalling and playing again?

[@williamkingstone4799]

I'm playing it with my two boys right now, and got through the story so far. It's pretty awesome imo. Prismatic is legit fun and the story was fairly intense. 8/10

[@nd8490]

I got off work at 10pm, fired it up, had no issues and played it all the way through without 1 drop or disconnect. Without issues it was an 8 of 10 to me. Too short, a certain characters whiny nature and the dumb ass decision to force you to play the raid if you want the full story. Fun gameplay and destination. Better than Lightfall but not a high bar to clear.

[@KeanuChrist]

@@BennyLlama I'm having a freaking blast. Campaign has been on my mind all day as I wait for my friend to get off work. Lots of cutscenes with the main characters this time around. Been having a lot of fun using Prismatic Warlock with Getaway Artist.

[@chandothemando]

Youre actually mentally slow. they had a delay and nearly 48 hours of maintenance and still couldn't deliver. They burned themselves with the majority of their playerbase... the casuals who took yesterday off to play the game. Its so dead now.

[@BioKek]

When Destiny 2 came out, me and my duo were religiously playing it and once they started ramping up the monetization he saw the writing on the wall and said he wouldn't pay full price for the same game over and over again. I'm glad he said that because it saved me hundreds if not thousands of dollars and hours on this shtshow.

[@falcon5190]

For me it was the moment they decided to delete paid content and the main story campaign. Haven't touched it since, saved me a lot of time and money.

[@AvarenVoh]

​@@falcon5190this is absolutely the biggest reason.

[@paco1022]

idk bro the campaign, the final raid race, the 12 man mission that just came out, holyyy bungie absolutely knocked it out of the park here. 1st day is always bad with servers but haven’t had an issue since

[@Brandonc19]

​@@paco1022who are you trying to convince? 12 people oooo I went back to plaentside 2. In every match you have thousands fighting like an actual real war sim.

[@imjamnotjelly]

sue me for loving this dlc its so fuckin fun like the dev team and designers clearly put their heart and soul into this new content even if bungi makes dumbass financial decisions

[@azzy9293]

Better hope Bungie doesn't decide to take it away from the game then

[@imjamnotjelly]

@@azzy9293 i mean aside from seasonal content everything in the game is staying from now on

[@SpottedHares]

The final shape just lacks the “this is the way the world end”, “remember hope”, or “finish the fight” Halo 3 had. It more “we stumbled into a war with the cabal”

[@olchum7605]

I know Bungie just like Blizzard is getting a lot of hate. Personally, I think they don't get enough

[@lenOwOo]

😂

[@JoNoEe]

I beat the campaign on launch day (somehow) and the campaign really is an achievement. It translates the mechanics usually reserved for raids, dungeons, and exotic quests into more forgiving forms, giving a more accurate picture of high level content in its most accessible gameplay. With my Celestial Nighthawk build, I was basically able to turn the campaign into a puzzle game as a result. On top of that, the story goes in such an unexpected direction. It'd be much too easy to use all the modified and reused assets as a nostalgia play and walk down memory lane, but everything is poisoned and evil. Cayde wants to be dead again and is only sticking around out of love for his friends. Ikora is desperately trying to make sure she doesn't lose anyone else. Zavala is just...broken. Mix that with an embrace of symbolic storytelling in most cutscenes and this expansion has a mood and tempo unlike anything Destiny has ever made.

[@adamvillegas5040]

Honestly I feel like Destiny would have been more successful if they had just made Destiny more like Halo rather than a live service mmo-ish looter shooter.

[@mikev8746]

Yeah people just buy the expansion for the story like they used to do for Halo. All this live service crap doesn't work if you aren't the 3 top dog ones. Even Destiny 2 is just outside of that bubble and cant get in. That tells you enough how entrenched that segment of the gaming landscape is

[@compassionatecurmudgeon7025]

Destiny would do better if it wasn't Destiny, yes.

[@michaelkean5969]

Honestly if they decided to retcon the entire franchise and make a more linear Open world/FPS game with no online MMO elements it would be so much better Seriously the world and lore of Destiny is actually done a disservice by the very genre it’s in. It’s funny how Destiny’s story world and characters would all work better in a TV show or any other game genre except the one it actually is.

[@mikev8746]

@@michaelkean5969 Isn't that really any online game with lore and story? The good ones are always held back by the online bullshit they have to keep players on the treadmill for. Even when you play some of the best online games singleplayer campaigns you always imagine what could have been. I think literally the ONLY exception is FF14. It's just something we sadly have to deal with. Good thing these live services fail so often so there will be less new ones being attempted.

[@alphaxbox3728]

Ah yes, if destiny wasn't destiny. Absolutely stupid take.

[@Eckythump]

Yesterday was wraught with server issues. It was an exercise in frustration. I can understand people responded by review bombing on Steam. Today however, it has been flawless. Played for a few hours with zero issues. So far, The Final Shape is great. On par and possibly better than The Witch Queen. Campaign was really good with a challenging final fight. I'm enjoying the new zones too.

[@thenamesronni]

ayyy same!

[@JoystickJournalYT]

I still can’t believe destiny 2 players are happily paying a full $100 for a dlc. (You need the dungeon key to play the endgame dungeon, which they lock behind an annual pass because ofc they do).

[@reaper_exd7498]

That's cuz they're desticles lol

[@chasekeylime9717]

it’s $49.99

[@Moncrom]

Directly after the expansion with the moon you got good content for it worth the many. Unfortunately the suits destroyed it, like the suits allways do with everything.

[@zackphy]

I get more content and playtime for that $100 than I would with any other game out there. I play roughly 1000 hours a year or so, FAR more then I get out of any other game. I love single player games like God of War, Horizon, Tears of the Kingdom, Elden Ring ect, and I'm happy to pay the $70 for those. But in each of those at most, I get 100 hours of content, with Destiny I get 1000 for $100. Now, some years are definitely better than others, but even at its worst, I get more than my money's worth(besides maybe Curse of Osiris). It used to be $60 for a full year, ie Forsaken, and that was an absolute steal, but even at $100 I feel I get more than enough content throughout the year for the price.

[@luxter858]

Its 50 and 50 for 4 seasons 😅 If i look at my playtime i would say it was worth it, am abut at 3k hours now

[@FINETUNEDGAMING]

I wonder if Bellular will do a video on how amazing the raid and the finale was? Probably not.

[@mbashasyed]

You're going to talk about post launch?

[@Jpow5734]

Obviously not because that would actually mean giving praise to bungie for making a great dlc which isn’t what these types of KZbinrs do.

[@mbashasyed]

@@Jpow5734 yeah, makes sense 😄

[@Klatchan]

I've come to expect 2008 WoW Patch shit from Bungie every time.... don't expect to get much gaming in on patch day, cancel the raid, etc.

[@johnnywoker]

They are evolving, just backwards. Cue CCP games back around 2006, they have decided to decrease the daily downtime (in which they did server restarts and other maintenance) in eve-online from the usual 1 hour, and in a year or 2 they halved it, also aimed to improve major content drops because we had the saying "patch day, no play" as the game was practically unplayable on the day of major content drops, and they also improved that so the disruptions only lasted for a couple hours at most. Then cue present day Bungie which is massive compared to that small Icelandic developer, armed with the almost 2 decades of advancements in IT compared to them: takes the whole game offline for a day, yet it still craps the bed for an another 10 hours after launch, with all the improvements they supposedly put in place after Lightfall...

[@W1nDs0R]

Aztec Ross, truely a well informed destiny commentary video 😂 The download / patch was 29gb on steam and Into the Light also wasn’t a season it was just an event. The season was called ‘Season of the Wish’.

[@marcus1800]

As in I wish destiny 2 wasn’t shit 😂

[@W1nDs0R]

@@marcus1800 Don't play it then if you don't enjoy the game, nobody is forcing you big man :)

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

Here's what's, surely, a really stupid question. Why is it that EVERY other game in this industry that goes through THIS magnitude of connectivity and server problems, quest and progression blocks, bugged and glitched cutscenes that autoskip, and on and on and on, etc...gets dismembered and chucked into the incinerator...yet DESTINY goes through this exact stuff for TEN SOLID YEARS...and not only do its most die-hard content creators and supporters shrug it off, but the INDUSTRY also shrugs it off and just goes "oh well, that's our Bungie, womp womp BUT OMG DID YOU PLAY IT HOLY MAMA WHAT A BANGER BUNGIE COOKING!" It makes no sense to me. It's exhausting and aggravating to watch. I'm tired of people rooting for this company that has dropped every ball possible, oh, but NOW they decide "emotional investment" is something to work on, so they're "cooking." Please. 🙄

[@DeffNinja]

Cause it was one of the first of its kind type game and streamers have gotten big off it and they give them a pass. Their followers follow suite and they get a pass. I wanna know why after a 6 month plus delay it still launches this bad. We just expect crap and they sure deliver it.

[@JamailvanWestering]

I think at this point Sony stepping in is their only saving grace

[@fray989]

Because all you read are sensationalist headlines and complaints. You see the 2,000 people complaining on Twitter and all the KZbin bs, but you don't see the 300,000 people that won't say anything online. Those people will log in when they can, they'll play the game and they'll enjoy the heck out of it. And maybe they'll spend some additional money in the store. You gotta remember the outrage and complaints you see online are a very small minority of any game's population.

[@JamailvanWestering]

@@fray989 sensationalist? Or maybe actually more to it

[@W0lfenstrike]

Destiny 2's fans are a lot like Blizzard's fans. They bitch and complain about it and yet can't put the thing down. They're happy to consume the slop they're given and rate it 10/10 - would slop again.

[@PapiCullen]

I’ve been a destiny fan since the beginning I’ve played every DLC and played a large majority of the seasons, but it’s time to just accept that the game is done. They care more about you buying 4 different passes every season and skins than make the game actually fun. I’ve always loved the gun play in this game and probably always will, but I don’t understand how they expect people to keep coming back every season when they have to buy the current DLC, the season pass, the dungeon keys and some times a 2nd event season pass. Me and my mates used to always play this game as a 6 man but it’s just impossible to convince them to play because of how they set up the monetisation. It’s just so sad man, this game had so much potential but year after year they just proved they never had the ambition or resources to get there.

[@philcollins5457]

I had a buddy saying he felt compelled to play Destiny again because he missed it. I said and will say with my whole chest: “paying $170 to get to current content is absurd. Don’t.”

[@Luckydave123]

50 Dollars, if you wanna spend 120 Dollars for content that will be released in months its a you Problem. 50 Dollars and you get Final shape and the first Episode

[@jimraynor4061]

79,99 ob PC for dlc+preorder+annual pass

[@steel5897]

This is the rare game where I wish it was on something like a game pass or similar slop service so I could pay a small fee for a month, play the campaign, and then bugger off. I really want to play the campaign because I've been invested in Destiny since the start, but I have 0 patience for the live service stuff these days, so buying it full price would not be worth it for me, I'd finish the campaign in maybe 3 days tops.

[@63Limar]

Buy the game by the end of the year season when the game is discounted. They keep all the seasons and you can play stories for the whole year + campaign with a discount.

[@steel5897]

@@63Limar yes, that seems to be the way.

[@troudbalos]

It used too. Then they took it off the game pass when the game went "free to play".

[@luxter858]

We just had the best raid launch and race ever...just saying.

[@Idontgiveaduck]

As a player, just a casual lore nerd player, the story itself is the best since Forsaken. My only issue is genuinely the sever crashing issues.

[@grundged]

Screw Destiny 2. Bungie is fine taking away paid content and I'm fine with them going under.

[@lord_jayj]

I mean I guess but they have more than made up for it and they have to vault stuff due to the fact the game is so big it feels like ur just riding on something to hate

[@anon1692]

@@lord_jayj Look at Warframe and say that again bud. ur just shilling at this point

[@beepy9666]

@@lord_jayj Do you believe every bullshit excuse you're fed? "Games too big", and yet I cannot think of another title that has ever used that excuse to self-justify removing content people paid for. MMO's have never, EVER, vaulted anything and they've been going on 10yrs + with major expansions. And yet, you always have access to all of that content. 🤔

[@lord_jayj]

@@beepy9666 but I mean its not bs consoles literally couldn't run it cause it was to big but hey u don't wanna play the best dlc that's fine more for me to enjoy

[@lord_jayj]

@@anon1692 two different games but ok

[@darrensummers5052]

Basic stuff, take the number of preorders you’ve had and compare it to the number of simultaneous users logging in at launch your server can take. If the server number is a lot lower then sort servers out so the number is higher. Bungie have made the decision time and time again not to do that and they rightfully should face criticism.

[@Gigawood]

This is something Blizzard understands SO much.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

It's amazing that now we randomly get a defense from Bell saying "oh but they had contracts and all that" like he would've ever afforded literally any other company that excuse when FF14 just publicly ran away from Elden Ring. Yeah no, that's not an excuse and I don't get it.

[@SpydrByte]

Devs be like "I know we had 10 years to work on day 1 servers but it's actually really difficult to implement please wait🥺" It is inexcusable, it's your job. F'n fix it. It's like a banker being like "sorry we couldn't withdrawal your money, we have lots of numbers and requests to process. It's really difficult, please wait🥺" Also inexcusable, no one would do banking with that bank afterwards if that happened.

[@MadnessMethodical]

I was addicted to Destiny 1, and try as I might, they have undergone too many facelifts to resurrect the carcass of Destiny 2. I can't justify this expansion at full price for myself. They are in a hard spot too. No more new story means less players buying cosmetics when they tire of the content. The UI for even a returning player is overwhelming and it's hard to tell where people actually are to play with. PVP has been stale forever and Marathon is a PVP game, which is honestly worrying.

[@Ares180BPM]

At around 8k hours in the game i can safely say it's been a pretty standard expansion launch hardware wise: Bungie promise they've sorted the servers but they always crash and are always up again quickly. It's been the same since Curse of Osiris. - Gameplay is great - FX Engine upgrades look fantastic - UI / Quest improvements are awesome - Prismatic is fun - New area is eye-watering - Many more good things Worth a look if you're a D2 vet.

[@alexlikesfoood]

You know with Bungie, you would think they've had 10 years. a whole DECADE to figure it out and they still couldnt get the game stable enough to launch. some people took off work for that. I wish I cared about The Final Shape but I can't justify purchasing a game that I had so much paid content removed from.

[@Seven-Lights]

Yeah, I had an exam on the day of the Final Shape release, plus I live in Australia, so by the time I got into play, my experience was buttery smooth. Pretty good dlc, though I wish they had more of an explanation on what the Traveler actually is and where it comes from, but they could be saving that for a later time because it is one of the largest mysteries in the franchise.

[@notmygrenade641]

At this point, it would be amazing if someone was able to just gather all the content from all seasons and expansions , and release the game similar to how fallout 4 works where you can download expansions and delete them after done playing. have the seasons cut into acts where after you complete and act, you can move onto the next with a menu option to revisit past chapters. Also being able to play offline during solo content like cod back in the day, would make that game worth so much money

[@alexanderxyz9572]

i did not expect a lore daddy mention

[@Marinealver]

One could say this is the Final Update

[@DenethorDurrandir]

I was playing Destiny 2 up until the release, but I didn't buy the expansion, no plans to do so since I don't think it's worth the price tag, and I stopped playing as with the new over the top subclass and exotics, there's really no point playing without the expansion. Into the Light was definitely the best Destiny has been imo. Bungie banking on Marathon is still crazy to me, how do they expect to make successful pvp only game when Destiny 2 pvp is the worst shooter pvp I've ever played, including hard p2w stuff like Crossfire EU, game that sells straight up better weapons at premium and is also full of cheaters who don't get banned if they buy p2w weapons, instead they get "banned" with their account renamed to string of numbers and they can still play, talked to some of them personally as multiple unnamed accounts with VVIP (yes, that's what it's called) weapons peaked my interest, some of them I've known under the old name.

[@larza966]

Can we all just understand that after so many bad seasons and expansions after The Forsaken, The Final Shape just seems like the best expansion ever. All content creators praise The Final Shape. It is their work. So it is just natural to hype this up. The story is just like The Red War. Go here and there and find your Vanguard companions and find a way to defeat the bad guy. And many aspects are playing on memories from a 10 year long story. Cayde-6 is there because players like him. Going back to familiar locations also plays on memories because you relate to that sort of stuff. Like the place where our ghost found us. Besides that, the expansion has a lot of stuff to do within the Pale Heart and many secrets to uncover. The Final Shape is a solid expansion, but more a 7/10.

[@tamerofthewilds9987]

I mean I’m glad someone actually mentioned server issues as being caused by so many players hopping in all at the same time. Barely anyone in the D2 LFG Discord even acknowledged that it was the fact everyone was trying to play at once, where there were more players than you’d expect at most any other time. Of course I can’t really talk about that stuff much anymore. I got too hyped once Excision dropped and hyped about the cutscene in the wrong channel and got banned on the spot so rip

[@notmygrenade641]

the $100 dlc is only worth $15-20. you are not buying a whole game, you just arent.

[@LobsterDeity]

The monetization got slightly better. Seasons now last longer, and there are 300 reward tiers in the season pass instead of 100. Actually decent rewards, like new cosmetics more than usual

[@Im_Mesaster]

200, just act 2 and 3 are split 50 each

[@lenOwOo]

What retail distribution?

[@TheDudeThing]

They had 6 extra months of work on this and still can't get it right smh I would feel sorry for the destiny community if they didn't bring this on themselves with letting bungie get away with everything smh

[@Henbot]

I saw someone made a big video of the cinematics from final shape and it was only 33 minutes? I thought final shape was meant to be the final part of the story and it only 30 minutes?

[@Wormy_fren]

Most of the story really isn't in the cinematics. It's in the dialogue exchanges during the gameplay the shock and feel of the traveler as you fight inside it within the overthrow activity and hear it bray and scream in its horrific ethereal fashion. The cinematics communicate some important information, but all of the nitty gritty details is within the character exchanges mid mission.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Bellular: Bungie can't just delay it. Yoshi-P: *suddenly shoves Dawntrail a week because of Elden Ring*

[@Shadowslave604]

not sure about others but i stay far away from launch day on every game due to the track record of this industry. i always give 24-48 hours before playing any game launch.

[@bfedezl2018]

Not gonna make a single comment about how great the expansion has turned out to be? You are so toxic to anything that is not Wow

[@ForeverSioux]

To argue the “skipping cutscene” bug, you can just replay the mission after on normal difficulty. On the “server queue” issue, it’s a live service game. Yes the company should have it fixed before the update, but we have scene it with many live service games as of recently. They might just need Sony to come in and help them more on the live service part. They might be able to raise the player counts allowed for the game in preparation for situations like this. Sony has gave them their space with this game, but in future Bungie titles they might step more into the project.

[@Zathurious]

I never have and probably never will play Destiny. Mostly because it's an online game. But, I hope it meets the expectations of its fans.

[@tommybrown5668]

Honestly tho, i still play. I still love it. Final shape is dope. Finished the campaign on legendary solo day one. Still having a blast after 7 years. Server issues are a pain. But shit is still dope.

[@SmokeDrawRepeat]

I feel people who thought into the light was engaging were dealing with copious….old content and old weapons given to you as a “gift” lol… this is the first dlc I didn’t buy. I watched streamers play through and while there was pretty environments and some reused assets with textures I didn’t get inspired to purchase the expansion. I laughed during some of the dialogue 😂 Ikora hugging Cayde and Cayde just disappears is hilarious 😭😭😭😭

[@mlenz2553]

Light Fall was so awful, after sticking it out for one season I uninstalled it, and refuse to pay Bungie any more money.

[@somedogsarecops2354]

Glad i didnt buy the $80 edition with the full year of content. Didnt touch it the entire year of Lightfall or any of the seasons. Before LF i had put 1500 hours into the game.

[@luxter858]

​@@somedogsarecops2354 The seasons were actually decent

[@IfYouInsist]

Sunk cost fallacy shooter

[@shanemoody529]

The servers were rough for the first half of yesterday but things dramatically improved after the rolling restart. The servers are also my single complaint about the expac. This is, without a doubt, the best story in Destiny history. It easily blows everything else out of the water. Not only that but the patrol zone is incredible, so beautiful and easily the size of two normal patrol zones. The post campaign is good, the exotics are fun/good, the legendary weapons are good, prismatic is phenomenal, the new faction is fantastic. If the raid is good this is easily the best expac the franchise has ever seen.

[@haxtontemeraire2966]

Destiny's problems are a little lingering in the background. it's kind of hard to get back into the game when seasonal content keeps pushing a story forward and there's no really way to experience it when they're over, still. Like, say the post patch story content in FFXIV just stopped being there. Because at the end of the day, we've all heard this same song and dance with most expansions for Destiny. Forsaken? Banger. The Witch Queen? Banger. Still didn't keep people playing the game despite content creators and reviewers pushing the game so hard.

[@madmanawesome]

They are still a popular game. It may not be on the levels of csgo but it is still competitive to be able to outlast every destiny like games

[@colby8104]

​@madmanawesome they are a popular game but not popular enough for the amount of money they spend on making it. They have the highest "burn rate" in the industry. Hence why they needed Playstation to stay afloat and have a clause in the contract that Sony can take control of the game if they continue to falter.

[@63Limar]

They fixed the season issue. When I returned to the game 2 months ago I was able to play all story/activities from seasons of the current year. Witch queen gameplay sucked seasons wise and people dropped the game. Lightfall sucked campaign wise and that made people not even try playing it. This time campaign is really good and there is a good foundation for long-term fun gameplay-wise because of the way new subclasses work.

[@thegrouchization]

@@63Limar "They fixed the season issue. When I returned to the game 2 months ago I was able to play all story/activities from seasons of the current year." Yeah, the seasons go away after a year. That's the problem!

[@63Limar]

@@thegrouchization yeah they could keep it but I think it's tolerable that you can hop in once a year and play all the content. It's not much different from other MMOs experience when old content from previous expansions technically isn't gone but in reality, is gone because no one plays outdated content.

[@Sivick314]

i abandoned destiny a long time ago and i don't regret that decision.

[@leobustos740]

I dropped it when they first introduced the battlepass, I finished and was like "this isn't the fucking destiny I fell in love with" one of my best choices.

[@dieyng]

The incredible short-sightedness to fire the veteran developers to save a bit of money. I will never understand that people who are supposedly business-savy don't understand that experienced staff is a valuable resource as well.

[@phonic4008]

I hope the first descendant does really well so it forces bungie to start fighting for their player base again

[@Revan_7even]

I joked on the Destiny Discord server I'm in that the servers were down because they implemented a PSN account requirement, but owning Telesto bypassed it and just prevented connecting.

[@killzone014]

From what I’ve been hearing about the expansion itself so far that it’s not bad…but not amazing. But yeah the error code stuff isn’t just a destiny 2 problem it’s a “AAA game” problem, where they release the game but then you usually have to wait a day or two at least before the experience is at least playable. Some truly dark days ahead. Edit: let’s wait and see how things pan out in the coming days and weeks.

[@rascallymanx8947]

I dont even care about the server issues, 10 years of destiny taught me to simply wait a week and see how things go. Lightfall was a bullet dodged for me this way so im doing the same here. We'll see how things go

[@lucygooesy]

"retail distribution" sounds like a horrible excuse for not delaying DLC of a game smh

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Especially when Yoshi-P took one look at Shadow of the Erdtree's release date and diverted from it like an iceberg.

[@Buck_Custtler]

They delay to make you think they would cook and make something amazing,not thinking the server's that were shit are still shit and worser than before congratulations Bungie you you played yourself again.

[@Doublecake17]

Worser

[@tee_es_bee]

Destiny as a thing has been done for me for a long time. I'd rather take a nice focused single player game instead of this.

[@giff9894]

10/10 expansion

[@Nick-zm2vm]

I have never played Destiny and I don't follow it particularly closely, but I seriously can't remember the last time I heard something positive about Destiny.

[@my0866]

It’s Thursday the 6th , I have been waiting so long to log into the game my PS5 has just gone into Stand by mode. Really Great DLC. Geee thanks Bungie

[@echosartplanet2210]

This is the best expansion and great experience, it’s truly a great game besides the server hiccups, other games have had similar issues and came out strong, I’m sure Destiny 2 and Bungie will come out of this hole into great praise by Sony and its fans. Looking forward for more of Destiny in the future, it’s looking bright. Eyes up Guardian!

[@Poldovico]

"Reactivate new players, and then keep them through the season" That's a tricky one when you're an ending. Anyone who might have been on the fence about quitting before it's over will be a pretty hard sell on the next thing.

[@elijahowens25]

Where’s the content AFTER the Campaign? Are there side missions/quests? Like what’s next besides Strikes, Gambit, and Crucible??

[@Luckydave123]

Raid, dungeon, after campaign missions, lost sectors, adventures.. idk what bungie could add more to satisfy you

[@elijahowens25]

@@Luckydave123 What do u mean by adventures?🤔 Like just strolling around?

[@panzershreck8077]

​@elijahowens25 Bro is just saying random shit to get u to buy it 😂. There's really nothing, mate. It's ur usual bare bones destiny 2 expansion slop after the campaign. The only thing that has ever been fun and worth running is the raid. All the other shit is just running around doing fetch quests as filler. And there' no dungeon, dk why he lied to u about that. In order to play any new dungeons coming out u have to pay even more money

[@elijahowens25]

@@panzershreck8077 Damn! Thanks for keepin it 💯💯

[@FallenPears]

One day, long after this is all dead, I hope Destiny will get something like the Master Chief Collection treatment. I loved Halo back in the day but never had a chance to get into Destiny 1 or 2 until the last few years. I was really excited to play through a decades worth of Bungie story content, thinking it would be a similar journey to people today playing Halo 1, 2, 3, ODST then Reach in a row, then I found out some about how Destiny actually works and... well. The whole thing was very disappointing to say the least. Still, hopefully one day they'll be able to match all the story content together and sell it as a standalone experience, though I have no doubt it won't be for many years to say the least.

[@bluefooxrdg8284]

Into The Light was interesting, but got boring very fast for me, but Final Shape is a DLC that made up for the shitshow that was Lightfall, I'm fine with the Error codes if the content is good

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

I played Destiny from day one till the release of Destiny 2. I then gave three more years spread out till lightfall. I have given so much to this franchise and a part of me will always want to return. But i just cant bring myself to pour more money into a game that doesnt respect my time.

[@720jlconner]

Played Destiny from the beginning of the first one to when they started sunsetting weapons and content with Destiny 2. And than there was Lightfall. Curious to see if veterans are going back and enjoying the game again.

[@davidhines7592]

i think they sacked some of the people who fixed the issues on the dlc where they said the servers werent distributing load due to bad config. probably some of the cheaper less experienced who took over reverted those changes to save money not realising why they were there. if so, shows why sacking experienced people for costing more is usually worse long term than keeping them on.

[@Gibbo263]

Apart from day 1, it was fine. All the DLCs have been the same

[@oldmanzen6682]

I'll watch the Byf recap whenever it drops to know what happened. Played Destiny since launch with only a couple breaks during difficult periods. Haven't played in months though and this won't bring me back.

[@laszloneumann500]

Destiny 2 turned itself into a warframe ad

[@cl0ud88]

I played destiny for thousands of hours until Shadowkeep and honestly I only stopped because it felt like I had to play all 3 classes full time to get the best out of the game since you can get loot in the raids once per class while I just whished I could have raided 3 times with my favourite class. Now I don't get back in because there is A) a huge paywall of dlc that are probably not even in the game anymore which leads directly to B) all the cut content. For someone looking into it from the outside there is just too much to buy

[@misterspalk]

4:11 retail distribution for Destiny 2? Really?

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

It's not even in literal stores anymore, I have no idea what Bell is smoking on this.

[@LG1ikLx]

I really don't feel the slightest bit bad for Bungie. Only the devs at the bottom. But screw the higher ups. The new player experience is terrible, so little new players are staying. They make investing into Destiny cost a lot of money. And they added p2w when they said they never would. They bought this on themselves. Part of me is glad they are dropping in value so it will give them a reality check that they aren't invincible.

[@Scarecr0wn]

I get why comment section is full of Destiny hate. Sadly that has been something we´ve been encountering for a long time and it´s not unjustified. But as someone who took over year long break after disappointment that was Lightfall, I can confidently say - as far as story goed, Final Shape is amazing. Can´t speak for the rest of the content yet but I´ve been enjoying every minute of the story campaign.

[@reedk2402]

Some how I bet the store worked great zero bugs or issues.

[@vidmaster1282]

The server issues were shit, but I thought the campaign was at least an 8/10. I like that they're implementing the raid in with the story again. That being said, I hope the Marathon reboot never sees the light of day, especially if the rumors about it being turned into a hero-shooter are true. It sounds like they're just trying to trend chase and that's despicable.

[@wowfoelifewarcrack3297]

its insane love it😍

[@blackheartwolf]

THE FINAL WAIT

[@Henbot]

I’m only gonna play the campaigns if they release all the campaigns for free and offline to play and then I’d play it from start to finish

[@sleihbeggey1992]

Lightfall was so bad that even though I bought the game around it’s release to try it with my friends. I never finished the Lightfall campaign, only did it’s raid once and clocked the vast majority of my 300 hours on older campaigns, older content and PvP.

[@horribled4686]

The final shape is whipped cream, but it is brown and not whipped cream.

[@AvarenVoh]

Frankly, I have more anticipation for the next Warframe update and I literally don't have to pay for it. The fact that we had to wait so long for this destiny dlc to drop made me lose hype. And not having access to anything noteworthy without wasting 50$ is soul crushing. If I ever get this expansion, it'll be next year when it's on a heavy discount, that being said, who knows if ill still wanna play this hopeless disaster anymore, bc honestly, I couldn't care less about the story because it's taken so dang long. 10 yrs to get to the end? I'd rather watch boyhood. Fun fact: did you know it took 12 yrs to make boyhood?

[@mosspawcat]

ARE YA WINNING SON?

[@nhahtrebor91]

Didn't they take the campaign out of destiny 2 so that people can start playing faster?

[@justingiese6544]

I was prepared to pay the $100 on launch day, cleared my calendar, worked from home that day. I was disappointed and let down. Didn’t start playing the game until yesterday. I really dont like the new changes. So many vendor bounties are gone, pathfinder forces pvp and gambit play on certain rolls. I caved and reset it 3 times, very limited xp gain. The level progression of the season pass is horrible. I played old campaign missions on my hunter (forsaken, beyond light) and grinded banchie, edz and any other available bounties, max xp boost on my ghost, barely any level progression! I completely grinded out the previous season pass on my girlfriends xbox and character in a matter of no time due to the abundance of bounties and things to do.

[@Bradmagus]

Is it called into the light because destiny is finally dying