Destiny 2 - VOW RAID STORY! The Witness And Disciples Evil Plan For The Hive!

[@EvazeOfficial]

HIDDEN SYMBOLS FOUND! Eris Morn, Stranger New Disciples? Secret Glyphs Revealed: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmmmoHZ5lLBnnsU DISCIPLES OF THE WITNESS! Calus, Eramis and Our Guardian?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZPUhZuEqNV6qJY Rhulks Insane Past: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIq8iXWAptiMg7s Hey Guardians! Here is a quick summary of the Vow Of The Disciple story! What would you like to see discussed more in depth?

[@glabuser2176]

I would like to see predictions on destiny 2 storyline for light fall

[@thetruth5350]

YOOOO! Savathun mentioned of 2nd traveler. RHULK talks about his planet lubrae having 2 SUNS. 1 sun of which THEY DRAW THEY’RE POWER FROM. Could that “blue sun” be a traveler??! He says it cracked with a reversal of its powers!? Rhulk and his species were given the light. He destroyed that traveler which Protect lubare. It seem tie a lot of missing theories together about traveler foreshadowing into light fall

[@thetruth5350]

Love to get your thoughts on my previous comment

[@DigitalFrog1701]

I have a feeling that the Traveller, and whatever entity or consciousness it holds, is very much like The Witness. Only a follower of the cosmic force known as The Light, not The Light incarnate

[@nukenade4623]

whoever is inside that giant ball of a machine. He needs to come out soon or i think Zavala might go a breaking in to find out himself

[@SomeOne-hu8hu]

yeah the original first cutscene from d1 where the 3 astronauts go to mars they see a woman that says “i’m coming” (something like that) instead of the traveller itself. so i think that the traveller is a woman similar to the being of the witness hiding in the moon shape object we know it to be

[@grumpygrimm6415]

Wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out to be the speaker

[@tommyw19]

@@SomeOne-hu8hu is there a video?

[@firstlast6437]

@@SomeOne-hu8hu what are you talking about? That doesn't happen in the original d1 cutscene at all thats just false lol

[@peanutbuttah_]

I love the design of the boss he’s a totally different style then most bosses

[@corbingarrison7167]

He looks like the guy from Risk of Rain 2

[@henkaan7741]

@@corbingarrison7167 mithrix?

[@Ave_Echidna]

He's a giant evil Matador

[@justincowgill8875]

Boss looks like a Hazbin Hotel character

[@corbingarrison7167]

@@henkaan7741 yep

[@Azrael_Equinox]

Virgin Mara: "It seeks domination of the Throne World. Your presence within will be most un..." Chad Rhulk: *"WELCOME CHILDREN OF LIGHT!"*

[@TheGekko135]

Despite how much subjugation is involved with the hive, even the hive gods themselves. It's very interesting to know the witness was essentially grooming savathun to become another disciple on the same level or above Rhulk himself. That thought makes her war god sister Xivu All the more terrifying. Cuz she's down with the witness 100% As for the disciple. I love it. I actually find myself naturally disliking him as he pontificates and drones on. He's very well done. I like how he speaks of finality, and meaninglessness yet he keeps a collection of things that he's subjugated, dominated, and destroyed. I think he's a bit of a hypocrite and his fondness for, basically himself I feel was part of his undoing. There will be stronger disciples than this one

[@TheGekko135]

Another really cool thing about this entire DLC. It just utterly showcases savathun and how amazing of a character she is. Not only did she trap a disciple of the witness in her own throne world, but the guy apparently isn't strong enough to take over. That really says something. Rhulk is beyond anything that we've seen before in terms of power and scope. Yet why would the witness want to groom savathun when he should be enough? Because the potential she holds in my opinion is implied to be far greater than what Rhulk displayed.

[@bspoon2529]

@@TheGekko135 i agree 100%

[@justjonny_1296]

Maybe Xivu is now. But maybe Xivu will stop when and if she learns the truth about how the witness tricked the hive.

[@TheGekko135]

@@justjonny_1296 it makes you wonder if savathun herself would end up playing a part in revealing the truth to her sister. However, the scary thing? What if Xivu simply doesn't care?

[@gaiofattos2]

@@TheGekko135 Rhulk is the strongest being that we face now ... madlad destroyed his sun ... Rhulk > Oryx > Xol in terms of sheer power but in terms of most dangerous I think that the list would change.

[@skullknight4579]

its been a while since this game had me shouting "what the hell is that???" also, I'm calling it that eramis will return as a deciple alongside calus and xivu arath

[@DragonKnight90001]

*dante meme* What the hell is this?, i swear if they make that an emote in the future I’d get it.

[@zigzag2370]

I don't think we will see xivu be a disciple of the witness

[@justjonny_1296]

I think Xivu Arath will not be an Disciple and I think she will learn the truth about the hive being tricked and will stand with the light to take down this witness.

[@leonwestbrook2540]

@@justjonny_1296 agree

[@imnomoremaverick]

@@justjonny_1296 if that's so,I wish there some way to also revive Oryx and tell him the truth. I mean,all of the Siblings didn't wanted that,and Oryx would be Hella mad to discover that basically the death of his Sons was an indirect consequence of the Darkness

[@ZAPcon]

The First Conductor was assassinated by one who sang an Aria of her own making. She, whose name has been stricken, had found notes hidden in the frequencies. Reversed and mirrored in pitch, she weaved them together and sang her beautiful abomination, until the Conductor wept and bled and screamed and fell. The Stricken fled, fearful of her crime. But others found promise anew in her art. The Stricken was captured and subjected to inquisition so that her song might be understood. This was before Understandings-before most things-when the first notes of a new Song were written. This lore makes me think of what Rhulk says about his planet's destruction. How they reversed the "blue sun's" energy.

[@johngancarcik5682]

Maybe the deathsong and song of life have more to them than we know

[@mohamed.b4015]

@@johngancarcik5682 i may be reaching for the moon rn, and it's absolutely bat shit what I'm about to say, but maybe it has something to do with deadly symphony exotic?

[@GildedWarrior331]

@@mohamed.b4015 mhmmmm 🤔

[@celestialspartan1176]

Rhulk is definitely a harbinger of what’s to come for the future of Destiny 2. I think that everyone’s theories on a Darkness race, wether they’re called the Veil or something else, are starting to come true. The Darkness is coming, The Witness’s forces are hearing his beck and call, preparing for war, the last war, that’ll cover the Sol system in shadow and flame. I’m sorry for being theatrical. 😄 I’m so hyped for Lightfall next year and The Final Shape the year after that. Also, am I the only one who’s starting to feel sorry for the mother worm?

[@celestialspartan1176]

@@Kyubii01 yes sir. Perfect reference.

[@GrayvesX]

I feel like each disciple is going to be from a different race. I don't know if the Veil will be a thing, really.

[@bspoon2529]

@@Kyubii01 facts lol

[@whiteevropean]

xivu arath brings the flames of war and the others dark stuff ig

[@trevormurray617]

It’s not really theoretical thankfully! When you look at concept art from destiny 1 it’s pretty clear they are finally bringing that to reality!

[@chinochimp]

The way the story has been going is making me think that maybe we won’t get the actual “darkness race” as enemies but maybe a collective of different races that follow the darkness but are all under one umbrella term. Kind of like how in halo we fight the covenant but the covenant have several alien species in it. That would be really neat I think

[@GrayvesX]

Yeah I feel like that's most likely. Much like how the Cabal are meant to be, but they only have 2 races now

[@Waaaghtatic]

It's funny, but I think we might end up seeing that all the previous villain/antagonistic races that we've been fighting for the majority of Destiny's history (Fallen/Cabal/Vex/Hive) might end up being part of a coalition with us Guardians against a much greater outside threat from the Darkness.

[@TheWolfsHideout]

@@Waaaghtatic i'm sure vex are going to be the final enemy aside with the taken and scorn, the vex are most loyal darkness servants when have seen

[@millionplayz7819]

@@TheWolfsHideout That’s not really true. The vex are a race that have been confirmed to be the strongest non-paracausal force in all of Destiny. But after the Vex met the Guardians and also Oryx they have the new goal of becoming paracausal themselves. For example, a time when Crota accidentally let the Vex into Oryx’s throne world. The Darkness liked Oryx and it would seem weird that they would just let one of their races just try and kill him, on top of that, the final boss of Curse of Osiris looked very similar to the raid version of Oryx, probably an homage to how strong Oryx was and the Vex trying to replicate that. Yes you can make the example of the Vex in the black garden but the only reason they praised the Black Heart was because they wanted to gain its power, not to be straight followers of the darkness.

[@SeeIn2D]

This seems really likely. Maybe some rank and file darkness enemies that would be basically “drones” like shadow thrall are, but every major Witness aligned character will likely be from another race. Calus and Xivu are both pretty certainly in the same category as Rhulk now.

[@thewalkerchris]

I’m really curious if we are in fact heading towards the dark future that Elsie has experienced many times before.

[@thewalkerchris]

@@andrizzle5887 I think the witch queen may end up being Mara sov honestly

[@ForbiddenCatBelly]

@@thewalkerchris I thought Erie was the witch queen in Elsie’s timeline

[@WhereWhatWhenWhy]

@@ForbiddenCatBelly yup in another timeline so in this one it may be different. Although it probably won't be Mara Sav ethier since she didn't take the worm

[@TheExostranger.]

Pretty sure Elsie confirmed at the end of beyond light that THAT future will not happen because we stopped Eramis from raising her dark army and that we also didn’t fall to the darkness unlike in her timeline(s) so for once she will not know how the future will go

[@quavoking]

Way too much lore out for people to continue to make such statements. We are obviously headed towards a clash with The Witness, but Bungie has already REVEALED that there will be an entirely different saga after Light Vs Dark. Which obviously means we prevail.

[@oz70nyc50]

In just 2 seasons the story went from a little grey to pitch black. We're in Lovecraft territory with how bleek things have gotten between S15 and S16.

[@RafitoOoO]

As it should. Destiny is still a post apocalyptic game where humanity almost went extinct.

[@oz70nyc50]

@@RafitoOoO And to think it all started with killing off Cayde..

[@santeriasantos7395]

It all started back in D1 we’ve been getting bits of lore on the darkness since D1. Feels so good destiny is finally focusing on the real story and not all the other filler.

[@wolfgone9377]

Killing cayde just added to the WOOPing the WITNESS is going to get his judgment is comeing for his part in This plot HAIL TO VANGUARD HAIL TO THE EARTHLY THRONE OF TERRA….. VENGEANCE FOR CAYDE destroy the witness.all guardians of the same mindset get ready for total war these past years was only warm up for the vanguard and our guardians NEVER FORGET CAYDE keep him in your hearts VENGEANCE FOR CAYDE and our FALLEN GUARDIAN BROTHER AND SISTERS VENGEANCE AGAINST THE WITNESS……..

[@BARCHA354]

@@oz70nyc50 cayde was holding us back lol

[@jamezzz0035]

Never knew the Pyramid has a Death Star…

[@darthvader9173]

Isn't half as good as mine ffs

[@garrettb8313]

@@darthvader9173 cope

[@Canuovea]

Doesn't sound like he killed the Leviathan, but wounded it. Might explain how it was unable to stop Sathona, Aurash, and whatever the third sister's name was, from getting past it. After all, "maimed" means harmed, not slain.

[@Canuovea]

@Taedon 1200 Ah right, thank you.

[@dotblader4721]

I’m also thinking that if it was killed, the Traveler could’ve revived it like so many guardians through our ghosts

[@Canuovea]

@@dotblader4721 Strong point. It did show up later quite hearty and hale, apparently. At least until it was finally killed immediately after.

[@andrewfassnacht4470]

@@Canuovea how did it die?

[@Canuovea]

@@andrewfassnacht4470According to that Dynasty lore video put out a bit ago, the Leviathan got itself out of Fundament entirely and participated in a space battle against the Hive. Got killed there.

[@TheBorderHoppr]

I think the traveler was testing us, we will kill each other or work together against it’s foe? Or even darker, it was giving us a test to see whether it should abandon humanity for the physically more powerful enemy that has haunted it, or stay with humanity to see if they’re strong enough to defeat savathun, and make sure it made the right choice.

[@fab5haus]

Calus has definitely become a disciple

[@likwid_smoke]

Everything is pointing that way. Have to agree. Wouldn't be surprised if xivu is one as well.

[@darthrevan6598]

@@likwid_smoke I feel like xivu will help us in a way since all these things pointing to the hive being lied to are showing up even savathun was shocked I would like to see hive Allie’s and for the last expansion so many races vs the darkness

[@bspoon2529]

@@darthrevan6598 yeah her reaction to being lied to she was in utter disbelief then got enraged… her reaction was spot on but sad at the same time very well done

[@GrayvesX]

@@darthrevan6598 I don't think Xivu will care. She is the Hive god of war. I believe that's all she craves. She may have been lied to but if her goals align if The Witness' then she'll stay with it. I have a feel that we'll tell Xivu and she will already know.

[@NeonVR0708]

Why yes yes he has

[@jinzo637]

Rhulk is like Pinhead. His speech is giving me a hellraiser vibe. I'm not the only one who feel this right? Haha

[@Estarvia]

Wouldnt the blue sun be referring to a Traveler like entity? Which was destroyed during Lubrae’s collapse. At least that what I imagine when he says that it was their source of power, the reversal of power (darkness) that destroyed it. He also mentions their reliance on it (like everyone that has been visited by the traveler so far) Lubrae was a Traveler (not ours) visited planet, they were gifted the light and then the Witness caused their collapse but turned some of them (like he has tried with us) to his side, made them his disciples

[@marklieberman1527]

I thought it was just literally a blue sun. Those are very real so its not implausible for that to be taken literally. Their sun collapsing woulda caused their world to die so

[@SCIENTFICPULSE]

had the same thoughts tbh and it kinda makes sense

[@spiritweird]

This is the guy that lied to the hive, the one that told them of the ctatclysm and pushed them into the darkness before the traveler could accept them into tge light.

[@userMCondatrack]

“And Lubrae… *hunter jump* died.” 1:37 😆

[@Pure_117]

It would be so cool if in light fall (or more likely in final shape), the raid is gonna be hopping pyramid to pyramid and taking down different disciples/veil and the final pyramid/boss is the Witness

[@neuu8708]

Witness is 100% gonna be a campaign not raid boss. And probably in final shape too. Lightfall will probably witness and his armies getting here and making havoc, and final shape will be us defeating witness

[@MawsYT]

The scorn mixed with the worms look so fucking cool. I would love to see them one day as a new race we’ll fight.

[@nosleepzzzz6550]

I think the blade that'll destroy the Witness/Pyramid Ships (that Savathun spoke of) is the Glaive that Rhulk used in the Raid named Lubrae's Ruin. We cannot make it but the pattern is in the Enclaves Relic.

[@Tom.morals]

Theres a symbol in the raid that has a humanoid figure with its arms open wide holding both the traveler in one palm and a darkness pyramid in the other. I cant help but feel like thats some HARROWING foreshadowing. Edit: am i crazy or does Rhulk sound exactly like THE SPEAKER

[@TH_Sofa]

Nah the va for Rhulk is very likely to be David Bradley Baker, who voices Variks, Starhorse, and Wilhelm. Bill Nighy used to voice Speaker, but then again who knows.

[@woodsavenue]

the way the past two weeks of this new expansion have left us with more questions than answers is just wild, and we have THREE more seasons before TWO more expansions for us to get an answer behind everything. i don't think ive been this hyped for a game franchise like this - ever.

[@relucena2007]

Thank you for the content Evade. Pretty sharp on the lore analysis right after the raid completion and also diving deep into the Preservation mission. Keep it up man, love the channel!

[@spiciestbutler158]

Savathun was truly an ally to the light, its a shame she didn’t feel the same about humanity. Its interesting she’s more of a anti hero than a villain hopefully we become allies in the future.

[@elijones8191]

agreed also kinda sad to think in some ways she was much stronger in the light than our guardian is even after so much time played

[@spiciestbutler158]

@@H240909 I actually posted first please look at the time stamps their close but I posted it first, they stole my comment

[@spiciestbutler158]

@@H240909 it just shows I posted it first, why would i spam the same comment?

[@SSJGaelY0]

did u copy paste that other guys comment

[@bspoon2529]

@@elijones8191 her willpower and conviction are through the roof is why

[@blackg8r20]

i have to point something out that's been bugging me, has no one noticed how the armor worn by ikora's hidden resemble the disciple's head and some other parts of his body ? cuz either that's done cuz its in the theme of the disciple and the raid or there's more to it

[@blackg8r20]

@@andrizzle5887 I've considered that option as well but a part of me just feels that if someone goes dark it would be zavala, at first it might sound stupid with how adamant he is on sticking to the light but there's a line between loyalty and blind loyalty, one gives the chance to think about you're actions and if the one giving the order is right or wrong, the other makes you a pawn, zavala is so loyal to the traveler he chooses to ignore certain actions of the thing and I think that might lead him of the path

[@TheSCIOnce]

@@blackg8r20 I think Zavala’s trust in the traveler took a major hit when he found out about Savathun.

[@blackg8r20]

@@TheSCIOnce yeah he did seem very shaken by it, trust is a fragile thing you know

[@TheSCIOnce]

@@blackg8r20 they’ve got to give us more lore on his thoughts at this point in the story. This could be used to lure him to the witness in the future but we’ll see where they’re taking this. I’m excited about it.

[@blackg8r20]

@@TheSCIOnce same dude, we need some savala action outside of the seasonal caitel stuff

[@javannapoli2018]

I just had a thought, what about instead of a completely new race of enemy's to come along with the darkness (which I don't think really fits with their whole deal) we get an army of a bunch of different races, where each enemy type is a different race, specialized to perform best at what their species is capable of, including some of the races we already know. We can bet at least 3 of the other 'disciples' will be Calus, Xivu and the Fanatic, so it's likely members of their factions will serve under the dark army aswell. Give us an army that is an amalgamation of a bunch of different races all buffed up with some new dark powers, a Cabal unit that focuses on brute strength a bit like a gladiator, a Psion that goes all out on psyonic abilities, a Hive unit that utilizes a bunch of different hive magic, I'm not too sure what 'the scorn-iest scorn' would be but you get the idea. Maybe throw in a couple new alien races that the Witness's crusade across the galaxy has claimed into their army aswell.

[@Notorious_G.O.O.S.E]

So basically the destiny equivalent of the Covenant

[@charleswoodward5026]

Wow. I just love the lore of Destiny!

[@FISHYFILMPRODUCTIONS]

Holy shit, for how powerful Oryx was.. he was a chump

[@freshfufrostbolt962]

Apparently he was the weakest of the three sisters

[@ahmedimranimran5100]

@Fresh Fu***** Frostbolt actually no he became the strongest when he became the taken king before

[@captainkaveman4470]

I feel at some point we will have to fight guardians as a raid boss/strike boss

[@shakepears1873]

pvp becomes endgame confirmed

[@papercamera2989]

Trials sweats are already that

[@soupster5009]

That’s basically the witch queen story

[@millertimeast]

Fr raids you can beat in a few hours for the first time. I’ve never gone flawless and have played both d1 and d2… in my gaming experience trials of Osiris is the hardest game mode in history to complete

[@shakepears1873]

@@millertimeast i’ve got a 2 kd in crucible but trials is something else

[@DavidLopez-is3pp]

It’s pretty cool how he has welcome as Mara was about to say unwelcome

[@MawsYT]

Wow. Not once before was I ever really this deep into the lore. I may have touched the surface in the past, but the story now is getting so fucking interesting.

[@physanon5327]

All of this is making me so excited for the Lightfall. The last year was about seperating light and dark from 'good' and 'bad', and now we're finding out just how awful the darkness can be in a vacuum, lying, cheating and destroying to get its way. My hopes are that Lightfall will show us a similar side to the Traveler and the light, the side that the Eliskni saw when it left them for dead. Perhaps that reveal has already been made, maybe Guardians and the Witness aren't so different, blindly murdering anything they see fit in the name of their indifferent god and its beliefs. Either way, its a good time to be invested in Destiny's lore.

[@Synthorus]

I really hope the Traveler reveals and entity soon, a "pilot" of sorts. It HAS to have its own "Witness".

[@Cloudfencer]

Do you remember that concept art we saw with the 5 races of destiny? The yellow 5th race with the pyramid ships and darkness shows a tall humanoid. That must be Rhulk

[@yungflashbeats]

In the final boss if you look over the edge to the ight of the rally flag there's a huge worm god. The building in the back round help you realize how big this thing is

[@charleswoodward5026]

The next question that needs to be answered is whether the Traveler is a machine or a ship similar to the Pyramids with a being inside it.

[@freshfufrostbolt962]

I think it’s a machine

[@ryanc3609]

Another megamind

[@whiteevropean]

@@ryanc3609 black megamind

[@WILLINGLYWILD]

@@whiteevropean female ghostly megamind?

[@millertimeast]

A being is inside. Also It’s crazy how the traveler gave the hive light so easily… and also the traveler left earth and went to throne world

[@SynsaySama]

This is so cool that we actually got a sneak peek of the Veil race that’ll be in the Lightfall Dlc next year. Rhulk looks so sick

[@astonmartini6970]

I don't believe he's the veil, he's actually the last of his species that the witness wiped out

[@likwid_smoke]

The veil is just a name the community came up with. The witness himself was mortal at one point & is just another proxy of darkness. This guy rhulk is a disciple of the witness & the darkness.

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

He isn't Veil. He is Lubraean. They are an alien race just like the Hive, Fallen, Vex, and Cabal. Rhulk caused the Collapse of his own people to earn the trust of the Witness by destroying one of the two suns near his home planet Lubrae. But it is so cool to finally see a new enemy race.

[@jxmint4458]

If you go to the evidence board you can see more clear pictures. He looks genuinely unsettling, like he actually looks kinda scary I'm ngl. Just being in the pyramid ship solo after a while is just unsettling in its own right, after a while you just kinda wanna get out, you know. You can hear whispers of something too. Makes me shiver a lil bit but I love it tho

[@blackg8r20]

@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 i think the supposed "sun" is actually a second traveller, he says he reversed the power of the sun and used it to crack it in half, he also says that he saw the dependence of his species on the thing like humanity is on the traveller, if this is indeed a second traveller than this just created more questions than answers

[@DevinNuPhlo]

Was looking for this 20 min ago thanks!!

[@Tristanium]

Amazing video! Thanks for explaining all the story threads and how they weave together. I haven’t done the raid yet, so I was wondering how it all interwove with the what had been happening with the campaign (and previously). I like how Rhulk has had an effect all the way back prior to the books of Sorrow and how he was just ‘tucked away’ in Savathun’s throne world to monitor her, unbeknownst to us the whole time, until we’ve been able to finally meet her, enter her throne world and battle her. It seems the story is really starting to heat up!

[@Yorabasura]

The Witness is the same color as some of the Awoken. I wonder if the Traveler will end up being a blue/purple entity

[@cliftonjackson441]

I noticed 8 pyramids lit up talking about the witness servants at the end and if we killed rhulk that would be 9. I'm wondering if they're connected to the nine

[@slippz3414]

oooooo

[@Creym464]

That damn plot twist really something

[@grimmjow0106]

I’m calling this now but think back to titan . There’s a time on the campaign mission I believe before you defeat Xol. Where are you see a creature swimming in the water is there that is ginormous in size and resembles to some degree a serpent but I never took that to be the warm God. Especially when you see it later, the designs are different. But you’re underwater looking through those mirrors and you see that shadow of that huge creature swing by. Now correlate that to the wall of those experimented on worm larvae at the disciple ship and look at the design aesthetics. You will see a shape, though it is a larvae state, with spindles and antennas coming off of it in the very same fashion to my mind of when you see that huge creature on Titan under the water through those windows. To me I think if you took one of those larvae from the disciple ship that he’s experimented on and let it grow to a mature size… You would have the creature that we saw on Titan. I could be off about this but if my memory serves, the Flowey frilly antennas and spindles and shape of that shadowy creature on the moon is very very reminiscent of these larvae versions we see plastered in these amber rock stones on this wall in the disciples pyramid

[@fishnutz5196]

So the worm gods feared this dude and we walk on in and whoop his ass haha typical Guardians

[@dillon3044]

I mean we killed a worm god so its not surprising lol

[@nathanflinchum1153]

@@dillon3044 as a strike/campaign boss lol

[@fishnutz5196]

@@dillon3044 killing 1 is a bit different than having all 6 of them shaking in fear. We also had Rasputins help with Xol

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

@@fishnutz5196 Bruh, I will literally solo flawless that fool with only my super

[@fishnutz5196]

@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 yeah he went down like a joke i wont deny that 🤣

[@Knight_Raider27]

8:44 Savathun “you will soon gain the power to move worlds” You said “it’s said that it destroys worlds” well what if it doesn’t what if that big cube above the worm god is actually a teleportation device and this is how they stole our planets and by killing rhulk we now have the power to move planets

[@Newt.--.Jaeden]

Something I don't see loads of people talking about now that The Witness has been revealed: That old concept-cinematic that depicted The Traveller as some kind of Female instead of a Giant Ball. Perhaps that's where we're headed with the concept of The Darkness/The Light having host bodies as sort of "leaders" or representitives.

[@GoogiWasTaken]

I am unable to find this? Could you link?

[@redohealer2]

Boss reveal was a great surprise and I'm glad for that. Putting that aside, all this good triumphing over evil is getting a bit bored for me. Like is it really that bad to ask for more bad things to occur within Destiny's universe?

[@colvamoon6962]

Remember, the next major expansion is called Lightfall. Fully expect a loss bigger than the Red War.

[@phnx_tom5400]

@@colvamoon6962 yes we need asskicked again

[@xghostx9715]

@@colvamoon6962 The cover for lightfall is kinda giving me Red War vibes too. I don’t expect you to agree with my thinking. But I can imagine the intro to lightfall will be like similar to Red War campaign but this time much worse such as seeing some major characters die on screen.

[@Yumais]

I mean the darkness isn't 'evil'. Nor is the traveller 'good'. Both are fighting for themselves and the witness wants to end the 'game'. I'm assuming the witness saw this 'game' the light and dark were playing and is acting on his own.

[@Matt_10203]

@@Yumais yeah I’m getting the feeling that Bungie is moving towards making the light and dark similar to the Force in Star Wars as people can use the light for evil and can use the dark for good - there is no limitation on either side.

[@eynon1579]

Thank you for the video! it cleared up so much for me. One thing I cant quite get is, that if Savathun was essentially turned into a Guardian and didn't remember anything, why was she still "evil" per se? I get that we helped her remember things, but if we hadn't then wouldn't/shouldn't she have been more like Crow?

[@NuclearOlive]

I just imagine this global or "universal" in-game event or cutscene where thousands of fireteams infiltrate a number of these pyramid ships to take out their "captains." And of course while allied with our previous enemies. Not trying to predict or hope this is what happens, but the cinematic scale is wonderful to envision!

[@aiex3335]

Caretaker Best Raid Encounter In my whole fav destiny raids

[@xTruthxWithinx]

I’m really excited about Rhulk’s species as well as whatever else is on one of the Black Fleet ships. The direction they’re taking this game is becoming so much like the perfect sci-fi adventure and Rhulk gives me a mashup of Prometheus meets Silent Hill with a small dose of Hellraiser. Not the biggest fan of the raid armor but it does make for a good horror based armor setup.

[@dobbs663]

Rhulk is the last of his species

[@xTruthxWithinx]

@@dobbs663 I know he’s the last but there is still a lot to learn about them.

[@spartanslayer7869]

I've got an idea, We know that pyramids can change shape (we've seen it, and lore wise we know it) We also know that as far as the story told us, the Traveller has always been chased by the pyramids and darkness a.k.a the Witness. So Here's my idea What if the traveller was a Pyramid Ship that changed form, for it's owner, and the owner was none other than one of the Witness disciples that, after a long time, decided that what he's been taught by the Witness was not Good, and therefore, he decided to run away. That would be logical, I mean, if the traveller has always been chased, it could mean that the Witness is just chasing a Traitor that ran away. Also the power wielded by the Witness and it's disciples, the "Good disciple" might have used the power he's been granted to transform darkness into light. Also, given the cinematic unlocked after the raid, we know a gigantic Piramyd ships army's coming. And Given the Traveller ran away for millenias, he's clearly not strong enough. We alone, guardians don't stand a chance. But allied with Cabals, Hive, and the house of light, if they all get to wield light, we could eventually stand a chance, at least virtually speaking given the number of Hive members. And that would justify too why the traveller wanted to give the light to the Hive, he might have been searching all his life for a species that could kill the witness ! But since none was strong enough, a kept searching (we know he gave it in the past to many species like the Fallen) And he managed to give it to Us and the Hive at the same time, now that he's in better shape. So what if, in the end, it's an all out war of the numerous strong species, Guardians, Hive, Cabals and Allied Fallen, wielding light to counter the Witness Disciples Army, and then the Disciple himself !? That would be really interesting 'cause right now, there's no way we stand up to a Disciples army of the Witness and even less chances for Us to survive an encounter with the Witness

[@andrewaiello6110]

So many questions: What is the Witness' origins? Where do the Worm Gods come from?

[@RobinGarnier]

Can't wait to know more about Rhulk and the pyramid ! What is Calus did go to Mars when it disappeared and became a disciple, or at least a padawan's disciple !

[@dragonomiconxxx]

Also im still confused about krill life cycle. Before they had worms, was the thrall stage a thing? I know the creation of thrall are explained with a worm and something else. And then you get a thrall. But before becoming hive, did they still have thrall like forms before hitting that acolyte like adult form?

[@trippy5519]

I don't think so

[@smoglessmeat]

I still really wish the light had more. The dark has blessed so many. The hive, the veil, I believe scorn. Maybe soon the Eliksni can be blessed again and maybe even cabal. After all, give now have ghosts. Cabal and Eliksni would be great guardian assets

[@juannavejas6510]

I think the Eliksni will become blessed. House light has gone to show there dedication to the light especially by helping us during the endless night.

[@alfiejordan9026]

I think our guardian will die at the end of lightfall and we'll have to create a new character and be able to choose cabal and eliksni races too.

[@Lazy-Lizard]

@@alfiejordan9026 that would piss a ton of people off

[@alfiejordan9026]

@@Lazy-Lizard you get to keep all your guns and shit so nothing would really change

[@Sandyval3124]

Does this mean that the hive were abandoned by the darkness and the witness like the Eliksni were abandoned by the traveler and the light?

[@KeKozak]

By the way he talks about the hive it sounds like it. Adds to why they’re not getting stasis.

[@battlerifle9276]

Xivu is still on the darkness side

[@BIOS_update_]

Really get a ghirahim/zant feel from this raid boss. Zelda fans do y’all get the same feeling?

[@Lazy-Lizard]

Zant vibes are pretty prevalent with this guy now that I think about it

[@Ibrahim-ho7bu]

3:36 He did not slay the leviathan, he maimed it

[@Jon_EL]

This might actually explain why it didnt stop the krill from going into the deep he was wounded by Rhulk

[@abdoul5176]

Thanks, I was wondering about this.

[@sosmooth13]

I remember being in denial about how good Destiny’s story was compared to Halo and considered it blasphemy in a comment a while back, but it’s growing on me and getting good. Higher power, purpose, discipleship, are the base for a lot of stories I like. It gives stories reason and characters motivation to find the reason why their problems exist and how to solve them.

[@NeitNate]

This makes me wonder if we are wrong to kill savathun or what Bungie has planned keeping her ghost alive now that the awoken have her body so she could be resurrected too. Savathun did take measurements into her hands to fight back against a bigger threat

[@jamieharper1051]

So turns out Savathun was a crazy Hive God that was using the light became a guardian fighting off Rhulk and the Witness

[@dustingriffin3963]

And then we killed her, and now the traveler is vulnerable on Earth again. Like as much as I hate to say it, she had a good plan/was doing way better than us at fighting the darkness.

[@jamieharper1051]

@@dustingriffin3963 Savathun even if her intention was good was still an evil Hive God. She was just going keep the light for her Hive and humanity from it. The lucent Hive and Savathun may be connected to the guardians through the light they still are enimies . Eventually they make form an alliance but that would require Savathun to call for an end to war between humanity and hive.

[@neuu8708]

@@dustingriffin3963 we didn't really kill her, her ghost is still alive

[@dustingriffin3963]

@@neuu8708 I know

[@JayTheTruth]

I feel like a lot of the music from this season is inspired by the score from the loki series on HBO max. Listen to the music from 0:30 - 0:45 and then listen to the Loki - glorious mix

[@duskbringer4583]

Scorn with Hive Larva!? As if Hive with Ghosts wasn't bad enough...

[@alejandrorodriguez3376]

I've been putting so much time and energy into this dlc I've been having dreams about killing hive and not being able to the match their shield energy 😂

[@jayluc19]

Ngl at a 11:08 idk who had tht huge ship but i thought it was a flying bookshelf at first sight

[@Gregaric9106]

The blue sun/moon was most likely the traveler and when it cracked civilization fell…much like every other system the traveler has been.

[@teamnecrocasters2210]

Oh no! Uh if there’s a disciple in each of the Pyramid ships… Where’s the moon and Europan Disciples? Because that’s really concerning… it means one could be messing around with the Scarlet Hive, and the other could be screwing around with House Salvation…

[@thesecretsage6642]

You know, maybe Eramis will be Chosen as the Europan disciple.. Also for the moon pyramid, There's actually One more Daughter of Crota who is still Alive ( Season of the Hunt lore) both of her knights got killed by Osiris investigating the Hellmouth before he got taken over by Savathicc, another unlikely candidate is Toland the Shattered because he seems too corrupted by Darkness... But those are the only candidates I can think off...

[@risingphoenix9800]

So a pyramid ship is somewhat of a reaper ship. Like Mass Affect. It looks like they destroy civilizations( worlds) and they choose a champion from said world.!?

[@BBroadnax]

So is it possible that the traveler has an avatar like the witness only the light form? Is the witness the avatar for darkness?

[@bogers8839]

Once again, we run in heavy handed and just assume the worst because we are humans...savthun may have been reasoned with after showing the memeory and kept the traveler safe while we fought on the front against the witness...now we gotta do it solo

[@bogers8839]

@@andrizzle5887 i mean once she got revived, looking at it through the eyes of a guardian, not a hive god, she was doing exactly what we have been...trying to protect the traveller and the light, it was only us meddling and showing her the memories that she remebered her master plan

[@duckhatt]

apparently rhulk was just messing with us and didn't take our guardians seriously, and when we go into final stand he starts to use his full power but its too late and we kill him

[@boookythegod]

Tbh I think there’s more than 1 traveler, I vaguely recall him say he seen countless places fall to things like the traveler.

[@KeeganWagner00]

I thought the leviathan spoke to the three sisters as they went down to the deep though? How did that happen if it was already killed? Destiny lore got me all sorts of confused.

[@KeeganWagner00]

@@andrizzle5887 okay, awesome thank you for letting me know!

[@neuu8708]

Disciple injured leviathan, that's probably why it wasnt able to stop the sisters, it was weakened

[@joshk2533]

Excellent content man, really well put together so quickly after the raid dropped. Really helps a lot of people out.

[@steveradroach9101]

The only thing I understand about Rhulk is that he got some Really good Drip,maybe not the flashiest but still he got the Drip😎

[@goosbimps]

Can't believe this dude kicked a worm god to death

[@DragonKnight90001]

Wait so is Xita dead now? That means no more worms for the hive does that mean we’ll now be seeing their number starting to dwindle maybe by a tiny bit also well until one of the other worm gods decide to take their mothers place.

[@michaelcunningham2111]

Theres still a couple other worms gods left. Eir ur and yul are still alive I think. Akka was killed by oryx, and we killed xol and turned him into whisper

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@michaelcunningham2111 yeah.

[@elasirio6419]

i would say ded id day more freed

[@zoeywhite1686]

Probably at the same rate the Red Legion have diminished lol.

[@prophetmgs]

A circumscribed triangle reminds me of how the traveler and the witness as one entity , a oneness/balance , maybe the pyramid is the doorway to the traveler I’m not much into the lore but I love iconography I’d like help trying to decipher the tree on the upended , there’s one similar in the raid at the stop symbol ; maybe depictions of hive, fallen or cabal ; and glaives , and are the weight symbols guardians ? See them a lot as well

[@adamboy0559]

Tho it’s not a full new race the fact rhulk is a completely new race is nice. Was hoping for a new race and happy that the raid boss is atleast new race we have never seen and connects all the ties of the hives past and how they were born

[@nyanbinary1717]

Thanks for this summary. I like watching world's firsts but they obviously don't focus on the lore when blowing through it, so I didn't pick up on a lot.

[@Legdorgroovypants]

Wait.. does that mean Emperor Calus has become a Disciple??

[@justjonny_1296]

We don't know yet but we know that Calus is behind the stuff happening in the Vox mission. Maybe he is on a mission for the Witness. We will have to wait and see.

[@Legdorgroovypants]

@@justjonny_1296 I’m excited

[@Sicktrick-Scott]

Hey Evade, didn’t Oryx also get all rooty when we killed him too? When he floated into space, not quite as actual tree like as Rhulk but still.

[@thesecretsage6642]

Uhh, I think Oryx got turned into a crystal, also weird thing is the trees you are refering to also appeared on the Glykon... Kinda makes sense since the area of the Glykon is where mars used to be and it contains an immeasureable amount of Darkness since Calus was experimenting on the scorn with darkness...

[@AcrossTheSea12]

You didn't show the mural when the audio mentions it fyi. You were looking at the Krill / hive lore recording in-game

[@r4yker442]

So in order to become Disciple, you have to destroy Traveller? Rhulk destroyed Lubrae's Traveller and everyone thought Savathun is going to do the same, instead she wanted to save our Traveller

[@natetollett5515]

He didn’t destroy the traveller on Lubrae, the traveler leaves Lubrae before Rhulk is born. (Shattered Suns #2)

[@natetollett5515]

Rhulk just seems to destroy one of the two suns in their sky being used for power.

[@r4yker442]

@@natetollett5515 oh, okay

[@danieldragotti2608]

Fun fact is you have parasite out. Savathuns worm calls the worm in the raid mother

[@neuu8708]

It's a mother of all worm gods if I remember correctly The genealogical tree of worms is probably Xita that birthed 5 worm gods which then birthed the worms that hive has

[@uhsul]

He didn't kill the leviathan he injured it as a punishment for standing in his way, by taking 1 rib

[@MadGlue]

tbh that thumbnail with the raid boss just screams in caps - JOJO

[@jjohn3677]

Ok so listen.... The giant worm tho. It had to be held hostage underneath that device because how else would it make baby worms if its dead????? That weapon was sitting right above it with its mouth open!!!

[@NuclearOlive]

On my attempt of the raid, I was absolutely fascinated by it when I first saw it. Just the scenery alone. But if you ADS on it, you'll see that it is alive and breathing at the beginning. Even the mouth bits are sort of swaying.

[@mayerfer7195]

Traveller wants to unite Humanity, Hive, Cabal, Fallen, Worm Gods against The Witness. It’ll be an epic final battle 😱😱😱

[@JohnKerans]

I wonder if were ever going to visit Fundament, Torabatl, Riis, Lubrea etc

[@xentionX]

Is it just me... or are we maybe going to resurrect Savathûn sometime later maybe possibly? Because i refuse to believe that Savathûn is really done in the story given that Immaru still roams around the throne world.

[@TheWolfsHideout]

No, i'm sure we are going to revive her and force her to help/make her an ally

[@xentionX]

@@LordBruuh That seems like the most probable thing to happen

[@yihaoshen1407]

Rhulk: POWER! Vergil: yes

[@soubhiksarkar7801]

actually Traveller is really the incarnation of light and rhulk was actually was one of his followers who's gone bad and chose a darker side eventually siding with rhe worm gods and becaming darkness

[@IkigaiBeats]

If the witness can make disciples out of any race, is it possible it could have taken a human from the first collapse of earth?

[@ballislifepegcity659]

There's a theory thats what nezerac was

[@tezra9085]

Destiny is literally Mass Effect at this point. Even down to the Leviathan and harbingers. Also, since we killed Rhulk, does this mean we can basically slay all worm gods if we wanted to?

[@ryanc3609]

You can slay anything the plot demands

[@klusterfuk6793]

So Oyrx didn’t kill the leviathan?

[@THEARMYSPARTAN]

He didn’t kill the Leviathan sounds like he just pushed him off. Remember the Three sisters met the Leviathan on the way down to the worms.

[@bspoon2529]

true BUT that bone is the the acquisition part of the raid

[@THEARMYSPARTAN]

@@bspoon2529 oh the Leviathan is dead. It went to go help the traveler and it’s chosen race at the time in the first war the Krill initiated. Like the Chosen species it got rekt and the traveler dipped out.