Destiny 2 Lore - Why is there a Worm God inside the Pyramid? Vow of the Disciple Lore Explained!

Destiny 2 Witch Queen's Raid, the Vow of the Disciple, takes place within a Pyramid Ship in Savathun's Throne World. Within there's a giant worm god. But who is this worm god? How did it get there? What connection does it have to the lore of the raid and the final boss, Rhulk The first Disciple?
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[@XenoFireStar]

The more we learn about the darkness, Witness and how the Hive tie into it all, the more I feel really bad for the Hive. They were manipulated by the Worm Gods, but only because the Worm Gods themselves were manipulated by Rhulk, who is in turn only a pawn to the Witness. The Hive aren't evil. They are what happens when the protagonist loses.

[@fissilepear7805]

And that begs the question: is the witness ultimately the pawn of something else? 🤔

[@silverthekitsune7007]

Before this dlc i was on an endless crusade against the hive, but afterwards it got me thinking… this could of happened to us if the darkness acted first…

[@ArchWizardCj]

no they killed trillions but their backstory is kinda tragic I guess

[@davidho1427]

@@droneant7602 they're most definitely evil now, but it isn't really fair to say that they were evil right from the get-go

[@oinkytheink1228]

@@davidho1427 more of desperate

[@eireto5450]

We have rhulk, this incredibly powerful and well written villain and his story expanded our knowledge of the destiny universe. He held dominion over ONE pyramid ship. There is hundreds, if not thousands of others. It makes you think of what other crazy ass entities and villains we could see. We havnt even scratched the surface yet.

[@hellothere-dk4gg]

He's the 'first disciple' so I assume he's the witnesses right hand man and the strongest of his disciples. We might get some dungeons and strikes on them in lightfall and final shape, maybe as first bosses in raids too, but I doubt anything as strong as rhulk other than the witness

[@johngancarcik5682]

Rule 83 : if it exist it can be turned into a gun

[@destroyer1859]

@@hellothere-dk4gg nothing even suggests rhulk is the strongest disciple.

[@hellothere-dk4gg]

@@destroyer1859 I guess he's the first, that's all I'm going off of

[@Vaultyboi22]

Spolier alert And now we have calus who hasshed his corporeal being, and is actively taking over the pyramid ship. If i didnt know better i would say it's shaping up to be a nice raid. But honestly im expecting a dungeon or season end mission

[@Kidchrls]

The fact Rhulk went into the deep and Bodied the leviathan like it wasnt nothing is insane.

[@valerium730]

I think it's more that he went into the deep, *with no suit or ship* and bodied the leviathan *by ripping his rib out with his hands in literally one instant and then USING THAT RIB TO THREATEN TO BEAT THE SIX WORMS TO DEATH IF THEY DID NOT COMPLY WITH HIM*

[@Ceelker]

@@valerium730 And we just kill him. We're the final shape confirmed.

[@randalthevandalnerfed7768]

@@Ceelker Rhulk lore: haha ima rip your ribs Rhulk gameplay: dies to a rocket

[@VIISkies]

@@Ceelker the more I learn about Rhulk, the more I realize just how *absolutely fucking insane* our Guardian is in the lore. Literally 1 of 1, no other Guardian in the lore is *this* fucking powerful

[@SpecifyO]

@@randalthevandalnerfed7768 clearly you haven’t faced rhulk on contest

[@opulenceharbingerofchaos3939]

Oh, my raid team and I spent a solid 20 minutes in awe after seeing this thing. We were REALLY hoping that was the final raid boss. Gotta say, Rhulk was not disappointment, but I really wanted to kill another big worm. I miss Xol.

[@knickiicht]

You did kill it though

[@Butter_Warrior99]

I want to directly kill another worm as well.

[@coolking4715]

Calling this... thing "big" is an understatement. Comparing this worm god to Xol is like comparing the Sun to Earth. This monstrosity could easily devour Xol multiple times over. This is by far the biggest thing we have seen that is a living thing. (Not the biggest in the lore but definetly in-game unless the pyramids are living things)

[@TaniksLaBaguette]

@@coolking4715 i think the traveler is bigger, but im not sure

[@edgieststalker8141]

@@coolking4715 is supposed to be gigantic, it was afterall the mother of the worm gods and all worm in the hive

[@morganmchenry325]

I appreciate these Lore videos. Love Destiny lore, but just dont have the time to play much anymore, so I can stay caught up for when I do have the chance to jump on for a season here and there. Thanks Byf. Its appreciated.

[@geriatric2014]

Same here!! While I don’t play much anymore either, the lore of Destiny is so, so good.

[@Frodo_swagginsX]

My friends and I skip the game cut scenes because "byf will have a video on it tomorrow" and he does. It's much more enjoyable having byf go over everything

[@matic3593]

literally me too man

[@TheForbidden_1ne]

Yea the lore is worthy of keeping up with. It's some of the best in gaming

[@mysteriousjess.]

Well when you’ve got time eventually, reply to this so we can run some random bits n bobs :)

[@bawalbaba4820]

I feel bad for her. She was "evil" according to the design of the universe, something that is out of her control. And it's not like she was actively fighting against the Leviathan to spread psychic mayhem. She took her children and waited in the deep. They were already dying because they were weak, but Rhulk "saved" them.

[@fishnutz5196]

Their nature isnt exactly evil either its more just how they have to survive just like a parasite would. I dont feel sorry for the worms as such but Xita did what any good mother would to assure her children survived.

[@demoulius1529]

She would be a evil in the same way a parasite killing a host is evil. We often forget that most things in life kill to survive. At the very least anything that requires flesh to survive. Just the way that they go about it is different.

[@liamcool2139]

A mother’s will to keep her children alive made her a slave to the Rhulk.

[@spencersipes5638]

The fact that there is so much extra dialogue from holding Parasite is so freakin cool.

[@docmaly2178]

Can we just be honest and admit we all saw the worm gods lying to the krill (hive)? Most of us, Byf included iirc, theorized they were lying about the god wave the whole time.

[@MangoKai]

The witness could have lied through them.

[@edgieststalker8141]

@@MangoKai yes that is literally implied in the Campaign's cutscene

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

Yeah, it wasn't exactly convincing that the traveler was creating the god wave. And with the darkness having gravity based powers, it became bassically confirmed. Incidently, whilst this was mostly because i had an incomplete knowledge of the content of the books of sorrow, i always assumed it was the darkness that was making the god wave, presumably just to kill shit for the sake of killing shit, as the darkness tends to do.

[@redstonepro5412]

I don't think that that was clear at all. It was clear that it was possible, but it was not at all certain. It would very well have been possible that the cataclysm was actually coming, and they only lied about it being the traveler's fault. That the entire threat was made up by then was not clear imo.

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

@@MangoKai That is literally what the campaign cutscene's told us. Rhulk deceived Savathun through the Worm Familiar

[@joshuacalebroman478]

Seeing this giant worm inside of the raid on day one will always be one of my favorite Destiny memories. My whole clan was freaking out, it was so shocking! And when we realized it was moving…man. This raid’s set pieces, art and whole atmosphere are so unsettling and artistic. I love it.

[@robert2german]

Doing the raid itself last actually lends an odd sense of chronology in regards to the character of the final raid boss. I approve.

[@tornap4rt]

Witch Queen content has gone much deeper than I expected! The plot is seriously thickening and I’m loving it! Keep these videos coming Byf! 👏🏼👏🏼

[@questcontentj871]

I love how sometimes the gameplay doesnt quite show how powerful we are, especially in a raid setting where we are literally bending paracasual forces in order to create outcomes in the space time continuum and extracting the sheer essence of star killers to harness it agaisnt them. But when you read the lore or hear it from a great creator like Byf and you realize the emmense power of the beings we have destroyed. It really shows the depths of our guardian and a fireteam of 6. Rhaulk destroyed the leviathan protecting the worm gods with a single blow. (side note, the more we learn about the darkness and who's on what said, I actually believe the Leviathan Ship that Calus uses is the body of the hollowed out leviathan that was a servant to the light trying to keep creatures from accessing the worms and I believe the ship was a gift from Rhaulk to Calus or at the very least the Leviathan ship we know is not the same as the one that he left the Cabal empire in... sorry about the long side note.) Either way Rhaulk destroyed the leviathan with a single blow and then subjugated the worm gods. We have killed a worm and a couple Hive gods. We have bested a 'harold' of the Witness (I'm talking about Calus). We have learned to move across plains of existence meant for beings outside of reality. We have stood against a dragon with the ability to shape space and time. Now we have eclipsed those feats by destroying a true artist in the darkness, his lore (almost literally) makes Rhaulk the other side of our coin. A being that consider civilizations and species nothing but lessons to learn and goals to sweep. The entire time, The Witness has been watching us, prepping us, potentially grooming us, not so he can face a great challenge but because we are the closes thing to the perfect shape that he has found in all of reality. I always wondered why Oryx smiled when we killed him. It's been talked about but it's simple. It's not because he knew he would be back. It was because he was proud of us. He was watching the beginning of our ascent from the deep. He never came to destroy us. He came to test us and destroy us if we werent worthy, just like Rhaulk talks about. (Sorry about the shpeil, beat the raid last night and Rhaulk is so fascinating that I've been trying to soak up lore and opinions about him.)

[@RickBennett]

i love the way you interpreted the information and story... im with you on that, that we the guardians have been Groomed to become almost the bearers of the sword logic to maybe not even fight or try to destroy the witness, but live along side them maybe??

[@demoulius1529]

Dident some lore on Oryx say that he loves to die? Because its the only way in which he can be stronger? I cant recall the specifics but it made it clear that dying is the best thing in the world to him...

[@RickBennett]

Same for the guardians aswell I suppose as they die continuously, it's like the ghost is our own little throne world

[@robertcapestany6019]

Herald* not Harold. Harold is a name.

[@questcontentj871]

@@robertcapestany6019 or that lol

[@udednow]

The Young Wolf is on the prowl again

[@lucasblanchard47]

Who?

[@lightningwolf2460]

@@lucasblanchard47 surely you mean “Awoo?”

[@silverthekitsune7007]

@@lightningwolf2460 AWOOO!

[@lucasblanchard47]

@@lightningwolf2460 no

[@lucasblanchard47]

Who do you mean by Young Wolf?

[@-Telesto-]

Rhulk went full on Doomslayer on a bunch of sea monsters and I am loving it

[@crispepper6424]

Visually and story wise this raid is top tier

[@billyguy7828]

I haven't played in 2 years. I don't even own a gaming system anymore. But I still love the destiny lore. Was always one of the better written lore of any game I've played

[@SalmanM190]

Lets be honest. Is there really any game that compares to Destiny's story?

[@mynameisjeff746]

@@SalmanM190 veggietales

[@EliteBlackSash]

Rhulk really parallels Uldren Sov A LOT. Just replace The Witness’ selfish ends and manipulation and Rhulk’s need to act, prove, worship, please… with that of Uldren and Mara.

[@superelite5133]

Still crazy that six ants somehow defeated a direct disciple of the witness

[@revantobias8567]

Paracasual BULLSHIT at work, like always.

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

Light shines brightest in the deepest Dark. I think that's entirely intentional. Guardians are not at their pinnacle of power unless contesting a pinnacle of contrary power.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

We were better than him. Not stronger, for he could obliterate us with but a single kick. but better, because we could just dodge his kicks. He was astonished by the incredible technique of "just dodge LOL", then got shot and died.

[@whiteevropean]

canonically its only just 1 guardian. THE Guardian. canonically guardians would be annihilated by rhulk

[@TheGoodOne1998]

@@whiteevropean could you provide a source for that statement, as the accompanying cutscene showed 6 Guardians fighting Rhulk.

[@DraftyCoast]

I love the little dialog of the parasite worm on the en of the preservation mission

[@Aksh4ttoSaaan]

you can get a similar dialogue regarding "worm father" and worm mother being visited at the beginning of the mission, he also talks about the pyramid just being on command of witness and nothign would stop the pyramid when they call.

[@bradwhite5884]

Cannot wait for the worm father soon, will he be bigger or a bit smaller then the worm mother? Also, I wonder if there are more worm gods that we've haven't heard of as of yet

[@Aksh4ttoSaaan]

@@bradwhite5884 pretty sure bob(sav's worm) meant rhulk as the worm father

[@nemokrad2650]

There’s a tiny worm god in the floor of the area where you fight Rhulk

[@NakulKrishna]

@@bradwhite5884 Rhulk is worm father and Xita is worm mother.

[@linkenski]

It really feels like we're getting closer to some sort of ultimate truth of the universe, and that makes the entire history of this channel so much more worth it.

[@georgelee5786]

Alright, I just found something pretty interesting. I went to the altar of reflection and activated the memory. It went like this. "Let's play 2 lies 2 truths." (This isn't the exact thing she said, but it's close enough) "The Traveler will fall" "The Traveler will leave" "The Traveler isn't the only one of its kind" "The hive aren't the last to be chosen by the light."

[@elitegamer9310]

Hmm, interesting. I would say that the truths are that the Traveler will leave and that there will be other species to be chosen by the Traveler. We know from the Dark Future lore book, and Elsie's other timelines, that the Traveler ends up abandoning Humanity, and I have seen little evidence to say that it won't. If the Hive are worthy of the Light, I don't see why the Eliskni and the Cabal are should not be gifted the Light as well.

[@coolking4715]

I think the lies are about the Traveler falling and there being more of them. I think it might leave and I think the Cabal or the Eliksni might get chosen.

[@xenosama3604]

I believe there are more travelers.

[@leek.3671]

IM SORRY WHAT-

[@coolking4715]

@@xenosama3604 nah, I think there is one witness and traveler

[@infestedpotatoes]

Byf "So strap in" Me literally clicking my seat belt in my car looking up amused.

[@CreamMonarch]

In a tragic sense of morality, makes you almost pity the worm gods. But, they died serving their sword logic, died serving what they thought to be right. Not everyone gets to be so lucky. Another day in the life of a guardian I suppose. Awesome video.

[@12345abxdefghijk]

Another worm! Fascinating! And we thought that they had always been of the deep!

[@nakkk1613]

Go back to the vault oryx.

[@Banana-Boi]

@@nakkk1613 I have a theory he's actually coming out of the vault soon. You can see saturn in the games director for destinations and savathun said he could return in 2 truths 2 lies.

[@nakkk1613]

@@Banana-Boi it may be possible but it’s not good letting grandpa/grandma out of the room who knows what might happen.

[@PrinceDilemma]

@@Banana-Boi Remember when some people got the fly in to the dreadnought loading screen a while ago? They’re definitely bringing it back, it was an A team raid after all. Just hope they bring back WotM despite it being a B team raid, it’s still one of the best raids in Destiny to date.

[@Generalofthexianzhoualliance]

you are still alive how is it in Saturn

[@Azakadune]

Insane, worm gods are weak to these disciples. All I can think is how weak Rasputin must truly be in this universe. Humanities greatest weapon is a joke.

[@williamcrisp6032]

And people still think he somehow was able to wound the Traveler

[@RIPx86]

Larry is my favorite. I've always wondered why the leviathan isn't mentioned after the sisters encounter with it. Of course I wanted to see it but Rhulk had other plans. I'm still curious about its power and what it was and where it came from

[@LuisEMG]

I also hope we get to learn more about it, what's it's origin and it's relation to the light/traveler if any? In hindsight his warning to the sisters is much sadder considering it knew what faith awaited them in the deep. it's also curious that Calus has a vessel of the same name but I think it's merely coincidence.

[@ChristopherGoetting]

@@LuisEMG I mean the Leviathan ship does look like a giant fish or basking shark...

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

I've always thought that the three sisters went into the water and evaded the Leviathan to meet the worm gods. Looks like Rhulk did the dirty work for them and brought the worm gods to them.

[@MonstertruckBadass]

@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 Didn't evade, spoke with him

[@Mpacitto]

@@LuisEMG and the leviathan has a lot of "living" elements to it.

[@alexstarks3073]

This opens more questions like Where did the Leviathan come from, and how did it come to know of the worm gods? Also a question for byf. When do you think that we will see from the other worm gods?

[@Auzzymandias]

Maybe the Leviathan is also a worm god, just one that follows the light instead of the darkness.

[@RagingRedHerpes]

@@Auzzymandias Remember big swimmy boi on Titan?

[@alexstarks3073]

@@RagingRedHerpes I’m so glad you said that it’s like no one remembers it

[@RagingRedHerpes]

@@alexstarks3073 I'm thinking it could have protected Sloane. Hopefully we get something from her and Asher before long.

[@konahrikb1578]

@@RagingRedHerpes A running theory about Asher, which Byf has mentioned in some of his videos, is that Asher has been completely transformed into a Vex and actually appeared to us during the Vex assault at the end of the Season of the Splicer. No word on Sloane yet though.

[@firenzarfrenzy4985]

I actually really like the introductory messages of content delivery. It’s a snapshot of what will be explained and let’s me know what I need to play in game. Normally I like to play the game first and develop my own perspective before turning to these videos which personally I believe hold the community collective lore perspective. Being a good analyst means you need to see both sides. Of course this works the other way too. It tells me what I’m in for and what I need to know and will know when I am unable to play the game, such as the raid. I won’t be able to get to it for the next two weeks. So fully aware of the warning I dive in.

[@bcfb21]

Do you think these supposed “gods” will ever be like “ya know... I just don’t think sol is worth all this trouble.”

[@dblczx6819]

...wow... And so, the chain of servitude extends yet further. The worms do not commune with the Deep. At least, not out of a desire for strength, as we once believed. (Or they didn't start that way, at least.) ... They are _slaves_ to it. Them, and their Hive. The plot thickens yet further. My mind... in yet tinier pieces with each new story. There is no better time to be a Destiny lore fan than right now.

[@ShadeAnris]

With how powerful and far reaching the witness is I’m really starting to wonder how the vex fit into everything. They seem so powerful and yet they don’t seem to be doing much and I wonder if they have anything to do with the witness or have their own goals

[@Threat_LvL]

dont forget how fucking big the universe is

[@ahmedrazan4554]

Read the book unveiling. The vex are, or were, the true heir to existence. The dominant pattern Until guardians came along i presume

[@Subsistence69]

I too constantly wonder how the vex fit into everything because as far as I know, theyre also trying to become the last “living” thing in the universe

[@datgio4951]

The vex have been wayyyy before humanity, even since the traveler and the ships got made lol

[@Threat_LvL]

@@datgio4951 traveler is the gardener so they was first before there was anything

[@Vulgar_Bandit]

I play regularly but I never have a good experience with LFG and all my friends stopped playing so your videos are the only lore I get from the raid so thank you.

[@happystate2480]

@LaughingMan119 Feel free to send me a friend request via steam name is HappyState no profile pic. Our clan is pretty new but we have quite a few regular players.

[@cerebralassassin2185]

Im sorry man. LFGs can be pretty mean. My clan i own doesnt raid too much or I'd invite ya to it if you wanted. I hope you find some chill people you can raid with man.

[@raganlacy]

I looked at it and before we heard that part I was like “is that part of the leviathan????” Thank you for teaching me the lore so well ☺️

[@relmofvoid8646]

am I the only one who would love to see Bungie turn BYF into an NPC we can talk to in the game? cuz that would be awesome.

[@restlessascension3260]

I gotta agree with Larry. Byf it wouldn't hurt to put markers in your video clips so we can get directly to the lore . Still love ya byf

[@Dreadnaught575]

Start of the seasons and expansions are my favorite time because I get to watch Byf videos more frequently

[@goofyfurball7311]

Same

[@gdemase23]

Talk about a banger of a video, I was able to pick up on some stuff during the mission, but I appreciate Byf’s deeper info that he provided to help connect everything.

[@mediocregamer2484]

Rhulk gives off such strong Ebony Maw vibes, it's unbelievable

[@DavidWilliams-nu3en]

This

[@mikes9393]

I’ve never been so invested in the story! Thank you so much for making these!!!

[@jeremyevans7654]

Thank you for being so considerate. I love the videos and it's really awesome to see how respectful you are to everyone.

[@duskcrane4317]

Thank you so much for this content! As a solo player, raids are a distant dream, so your videos help me to enjoy all the wonderful lore I would miss otherwise.

[@eireto5450]

you should really just try lfg, it can be jarring at first but youll quickly get use to it. Or you could find a big clan than do raid signups or sherpa raids. Im in a clan that do a raiducation every friday where they take people from the clan who havnt done the raid before and take them through the whole thing whilst teaching them mechanics. Alot of clans do stuff like this.

[@duskcrane4317]

@@eireto5450 I would love to, but my internet is... 😫. I've gotten disconnected in the middle of so many different activities at this point.

[@LuigiXGamer]

​@@duskcrane4317 Your internet better now? I know I'm late to the party but if you want to raid I can invite you to our clan.

[@traqiickid]

I have not played or kept up with destiny in such a long time that i turn to your videos before i even play the game again just so i understand and am up to date with everything thats going on

[@TheGreyShaman]

As someone who couldn’t do it on day one I say you may as well just do it my man. Everyone either wants to rush through this thing or wants you to have experience, so the people you’re worried about aren’t going to get to play regardless so you may as well do what you want. Like I want to go through it blind as hell, I don’t want to be spoiled, I want to figure it out myself, but nobody wants to deal with people like me.

[@tylenmartinchuk1952]

I’m feeling the same way. U on PlayStation?

[@Subsistence69]

I wanted to do this too but unfortunately ive already watched the streams and guides 😔

[@TheGreyShaman]

@@tylenmartinchuk1952 I myself am on Xbox, but I was convinced into biting the bullet and just prepping for it anyways because my clan mates really want me to get the loot. It’s funny cuz I’m more of a lore person but if they want me to have the loot that bad, why not do it for them? In all my years of gaming I’ve never had a clan actually want something for me so it’s a bit refreshing.

[@LifelessTooth]

It's also worth noting that the island in which the final boss fight against Savathun occurs is a scale replica of the "continent" of her childhood

[@Lost-Sabre]

Does this mean there will not be any more worm larvae, meaning that the Hive will die out (or revert back to the Krill)

[@crossyfirezx9659]

Wow....just...wow. Not only do i feel empathy for the Worms. It just proves even further that villains and/or antagonist can be victims in pursuit from what is best for their kin and ones that matter to them. And Rhulk the twist lad he is got his just desserts.

[@trichogaster1183]

the darkness sounds like a pyramid scheme

[@cybernurgle6413]

Eyyyy

[@Skull35]

Pyramid scheme? No no no no no. It's a Multi-level Salvation Scheme

[@sodgie18]

Lol good one!

[@Crushanator1]

I think the way you're doing content is reasonable. I played on Day 1 and we couldn't get past the first encounter. Our clan had enough interest that we split into two raid teams, dividing classes and serious raiders/conquerors between the teams. We knew we wouldn't get world first, but we wanted to go in blind and discover the mechanics ourselves. I was pretty proud we made it through the first puzzle room before any of the streamers I saw, and we had a good grasp of what to do in the first encounter, but just could not seal the deal.Contest Mode was brutal for us and we played about 8 hours before saying we would try again tomorrow when it was on Normal. We were all very saddened that it was extended (we had zero error codes or drops the entire 8 hour playthrough) as it meant none of us would even be able to get it done in week one. We're all adults with jobs with a variety of days off, work schedule within the day and most of us have children. I know some people like the masochism of Contest mode, but for us it was very frustrating to make plans around getting time for a full weekend of nonstop play, only to have the last minute shuffle. I wish they had given players on day two the option of doing either one, instead of forcing contest mode. Some people may be mad there are people like me who wanted to play normal and get the 48 hour emblem "for free" by playing in normal mode in the first 48 hours (like we were told we'd be able to), or troll our team with "git gud" style comments because we don't enjoy dumping an entire mag to kill red bars, but it was kind of a no win scenario Bungie had to deal with at the last minute, and I feel any decision could have disappointed essentially the entire playerbase of the biggest day one raid ever. I hope they can learn from this and just give players the option of contest mode after 24 hours. Like honestly, if you want to do Contest mode next weekend... why not? There will almost certainly be an eventual VOG style hard mode so it doesn't feel like it would hurt to have the option.

[@user-ns3vs3bp3e]

I see your point and why it would disappoint you having the contest mode extended but while you had 8 hours of no issues we had 6 hours of constantly being kicked, unable to banner/rally to banner so no ammo/supers, random single player loss to “connecting to servers” then respawning dead. I can totally understand why they chose to extend it, it’s not really fair to make a 24 hour emblem people want then have some people randomly have substantial amounts of that time removed through no fault of their own, we stuck with it and were able to clear the raid pretty quick once the server issues stopped but I can totally get why people would say fuck it and quit because it was borderline unplayable. Imo yeah it sucks to people who now have to wait to play it next weekend it would have been worse to do nothing when it was their fault people couldn’t play and take part in the mode we only get once like every year. Like you can play all year whenever you have time we all get 24 hours a year and losing some of that to Bungie error isn’t really fair

[@terinrichardson6061]

There is no 48 hour emblem, there’s a day 1 emblem that they extended due to a lot of people having connection issues. That day 1 extension always included the extension of contest modifier. So regardless, there’s no way you were getting the emblem ‘for free’.

[@galanor7310]

Dude your situation was exactly like my clan. We just wanted to figure it out and have fun, figured out the beginning easy but the contest brutality made it difficult. We had our chance and honestly were excited for the second day so we could finish it and geek out. Didn't get to, extended the mode, and we all watched vids, spoiled it... So we never got to experience it all together. Really sucked tbh. Wish I got to figure it out with my brothers not from vids.

[@gascarborough]

Man your videos have always been awesome. I have learned so much about destiny from you

[@jeffschulz1972]

Completed my first clear of this raid last night so now I can watch all the videos about Rhulk, the Raid, ect. So stoked!

[@calypsothespirit]

Listening to this gave me a thought. What other shooter has THIS deep of lore? They have plenty, sure, but lore this deep, ancient, and just.. almost eldritch? This is insane lore for a shooter. And Destiny somehow fucking nailed it.

[@silverthekitsune7007]

God, I’d love to kill another hive god but after rhulk it just seems like it would barely be a footnote for our guardian at this point…

[@jamescruz8678]

I already know about all of this. I just love hearing you talk and breaking everything down into more minute detail. :)

[@fysy9989]

This video answered all my questions I had left about the origin of the hive, the relation of the wormgods to the witness. Thank you for this content, brilliant job

[@rob3497]

Your videos is what keeps me updated on the lore and has allowed me to appreciate the depth Bungie has done to this game. YOU are the real MVP!

[@alexcook3375]

They aren't called the books of sorrow for nothing I guess. I find myself having more and more empathy for the hive. I really hope in the end savathuun and her siblings become allies. I actually think it might happen considering we have already made an alliance with Fallen and Cabal. Imagine all the original enemy races fighting against the darkness together

[@Gwynbleidd_117]

My theory as well. There is actually a PsiOps dialogue that made me believe it even more. Zavala and Caital talking, and Caital calls Sol “our” system and points out that the Cabal and fallen of house of light are alrdy allied. I could see Savathun coming back and her and lucent brood standing with us against the Witness and black fleet. Would be very cool for all main races that have been enemies to finally stand together.

[@giantwallrus]

I swear Rhulk mocks the sword logic in one of his preservation audio logs. I think he says something like, "we will give them a logic that burns billions" in a derisive tone.

[@paragonflash8937]

If you notice the worm in preservation mission every week. In this week it almost looks like the worm corpse is changing

[@ralphforbes5807]

You are by far best at keeping spoiler free, people who don't want it spoiled should know to avoid this stuff till after, just catch up, good video guys ☺️ poor Larry 🤣

[@undercurrent32]

this was a particularily good video! i really liked how you ordered the information in an easy way, especially the way you clarified who the title subjugator belongs to and why, before it is used without explanation.

[@ARobinYouKnow]

This is the first time in a long time Destiny lore has given me chills

[@isaacw8055]

Love watching your vids, you have made destiny more fun for me to play because I understand what things mean. I love the lore and you in my eyes are one of the few experts in destiny lore and deliver it in a great way

[@A_7ft_Sasquatch]

Byf: watch out for spoils! Me, a pvp player who likes lore: yeah bro.... it's OK lol

[@thefatherinthecave943]

The witness seems like they’re taking apex warriors from each species it comes across and makes them witnesses, kinda like calus was doing with his shadows. I think the “final shape” is just a state of perpetual warfare between the apex warriors of all species

[@Jefstito]

The final shape is the death of everything. Absolute finality.

[@szymonpinkowski256]

@@Jefstito so heat death of universe?

[@Jefstito]

@@szymonpinkowski256 i dont know what you mean. The point is that the witness considers death the perfect shape because it doesnt change and suffering doesnt exist in an universe without life.

[@Reksrat]

There was some theory crafting about Rhulk's eyes and the symbols therein saying that while he's a Disciple of The Witness he's just the disciple of the one pyramid ship and that we might be the disciple of the pyramid on Europa.

[@toddv3877]

In the parasite quest one mission has you go into a darkness city. In the mission Fynch says that savathun has it so she “can have a steady supply of worms” THIS mother worm is what supplied them. It makes sense now

[@ac4th371]

Perfect example of why I'm subscribed to you. Fascinating lore I would otherwise never of learned. Thank you.

[@knowledgeseeker3068]

So happy for the series style content now I can drink it all in over time :)

[@solstia458]

The caretaker is gonna be an interesting topic for the future as well for sure, excited

[@theoneandonlyquasarsaurus]

Ah yes, the only scorn to successfully intake a worm larvae

[@SkupperNog]

This is the kinda stuff I put on when I'm grinding a catalyst. Makes time go by faster.

[@loudsilencer8130]

Wow… how far up to the strings go? The Hive were puppeted by Savathun, she by the Worm Gods, them by Rhulk, and him by The Witness. Is there one that puppets him?

[@faller70]

The aphelions

[@samhoff1724]

the cut-up worm at 8:00 is probably Akka, or what remains of him after auryx killed him

[@biennialfawn5524]

What’s left of Akka is Oryx’s ship

[@samhoff1724]

@@biennialfawn5524 ah, yeah I just remembered that but it would've been cool though as it's described that auryx "cut akka to peices" and it seemed to fit too perfectly

[@biennialfawn5524]

@@samhoff1724 That would be funny I just hope maybe somewhere before lightfall we figure out the status of the other worms or at least one more

[@tecfrost4495]

Honestly, the more and more we're learning about the Hive in this dlc, I kinda feel sorry for them... Though they did terrible things to humanity, they were used as puppets basically against their will

[@ElderBard00]

Ohhh Daddy Byf!!! How I've missed you and your phat lore book!🎉 Im back on D2 after 4 years or so. The grind has been rough to catch up but the lore is where the juicy stuff is all at. 🎉

[@dmnbackfire876]

Can’t wait for the video of Byf showing off his million sub plaque. Congrats again.

[@IQDESTRUCTOR]

so basically, the witness is - and this cannot be understated - the most evil piece of shit in the universe and the hive are on an infinite conga line of trauma and exploitation

[@lukebarroso449]

With content like this i can't wait to see what bungie has planned for Lightfall.

[@elitegamer9310]

It's going to be the Infinity War of Destiny.

[@kingofcringe9721]

@@elitegamer9310 wow

[@lukebarroso449]

@@elitegamer9310 couldn't agree more. I believe we're going to end up losing and being we're going to be sent out further into the galaxy. I would kinda like it if we had a choice to choose sides😅

[@TrigoNomentry]

@@lukebarroso449 i believe the Nine might come into play a lot more during the next year into Lightfall.

[@Khqra]

Don't think they'll kill anyone off that anyone cares about let's be real.. the only thing guaranteed is another tedious raid that repeats segments 3+times every encounter...zZ for ugly mediocre loot, a pointless exotic and more pea brains struggling to communicate

[@XavoMedia]

Gotta love Savathuns Worm little pieces of dialogue, such a nice detail.

[@wallyofjericho]

Couldn’t wait for this one. Now off to rewatch dynasty again while I’m at work

[@Cata_777]

I've not done a raid since Leviathan in year 1, but I still really enjoy these raid lore videos. I get to experience them vicariously this way.

[@Loreboar0]

Same!

[@Banana-Boi]

I've never done a raid ever and i've played since D1 but i enjoy these vids too.

[@jaredtherock5692]

Just wanna appreciate Larry for editing these videos and getting over it 😂 I am loving these raid lore videos. I think it would be really funny if one day, if your team wanted to, you could do a lore video on the team that helps this channel running as an anniversary video or a subscriber goal.

[@jdiabl035]

You and the one guy who liked this want that nobody else lol

[@jaredtherock5692]

@@jdiabl035 The idea at least sounds more entertaining than how tickled you must have been to go out of the way to dunk on my little opinion. :P

[@LarryJ602]

Thanks other Larry, now I'm getting dragged. Other Larry has to change his name.

[@ThaBlueNinja]

As always Byf, Thank you so much for bringing us these lore readings.

[@thirdeye5975]

Its scary that this guy is so fucking powerful yet he is just a disciple of the Witness who he himself may just be another pawn of the darkness. Destiny lore is crazy which is exactly why i love it so much

[@drefranks691]

I’m surprised byf hasent covered Rhulk backstory and how we know now know that the traveler isn’t the only being of light. Seems like that would be right up his ally

[@bandarsalh1338]

Imagine if the worm mother's goal was freedom This opens the possibility of the worm gods helping us one way or another

[@triumphdx-pr3442]

This makes me hope that we could turn one of the worm gods to the light, and we could have the worm gods coiled around the traveler using it to destroy pyramid ship after pyramid ship

[@Xenronnify]

So then, we could say that everything the Hive knew about worms was just pieces of Xita. A load of Xita, if you will. A big, stinking load of Xita.

[@reaperking2121]

Technically you can ruinite 2 children with the worm mother. The one being still very much alive in their first form ( The parasite) which you do in a mission. But you could also consider yourself being capable of reuniting Xol with the mother as well by dragging him in gun form there

[@Lucien135]

Byf the witness and his followers arent really only using sword logic, they are also dabbling in necromancy i.e. scorn. The sword logic i feel is more a hive thing where the darkness just cares about actually having everything dead or be dead.

[@charlie-vw7zw]

Excellent video as always! I can't wait for you to cover the lore surrounding Vox Obscura and the radical psion faction teaming up with the black fleet.

[@SolipsismCrisis]

These videos are great for me as I don't do anything I can't solo. Thank you.

[@iminfinite9819]

I think it would be cool if you did another raid along like you did with last wish with this raid where you explain the lore behind everything. Love the videos and the channel

[@matthewcahill4475]

At 2:30 a giant rib bone can be seen resting atop the pedestals in the room, perhaps this is the rib of the leviathan that rhulk talks about

[@symbiotic_apex1179]

The second my raid team saw that worm we spent more time talking about it than the encounter

[@aresgaming7351]

I am so pumped to see where this goes, it feels so much bigger than us and what we can do to take care of it

[@wazopaio]

What's truly sad is when you realize that both this Worm Mother and Eramis were both victims to the exact same type of deceit and circumstance. Both were mothers that wanted nothing but safety and assurance for the future of their children but were both lied to into serving the evil machinations of someone far less concerned with the morality of their actions and with an agenda of their own.

[@Threat_LvL]

so whats the difference to humans? you dont watch every step you do for not crushin ants on your way dont you

[@BurgundyRedd]

Byf starts talking about the main topic 3:40 into the video, for all the Larrys out there

[@dousan6515]

I picked up this game thinking "oh a shoot 'em up" the lore I'm finding is far more interesting than many other games I've played. Thank you!