Destiny & Dylan Burns OBLITERATE Haz and Jabroni Angelor in Heated DEBATE (debate review)

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Why bother having a moderator if the guy yelling can unmute himself?

[@peewee130946]

They couldn’t figure out why he could because he’s not suppose to be able to

[@lunsen402]

@@peewee130946 russian bots planting controll zombie viruses in the mods computer Maby XD

[@sypherthe297th2]

That's a good question! A number of is were asking that in love chat. Hopefully James modifies his settings in the future to avoid a repeat of this nonsense.

[@Lanoira13]

@@sypherthe297th2 It seems like James might have been muting instead of server muting. Anyone in a server can unmute themselves if muted. If server muted, someone can't unmute it unless they have the ability to server mute others and therefore themselves.

[@thomasmackelly7685]

lol i like james but that's just a standard L for not knowing how to mute

[@noahramsey]

Dylan: Brings up a valid point against the tankies Haz: *Eats Mic*

[@cf3714]

Throats it, more accurately

[@esbenm6544]

@Carl Sorl no

[@reallyidrathernot.134]

@Carl Sorl definitely not

[@MichaelAronson]

@Carl Sorl Will that get you to stop white knighting for him?

[@TerribleTrioProductions]

@Carl Sorl absolutely not

[@lettersnstuff]

“Yeah because you’re making everybody louder than me” is possible the saddest, most insecure thing I’ve ever heard, I guess I didn’t realize Haz was that shaky, I kinda feel bad for him tbh.

[@goose6360]

the funniest part is they had several mic tests that he participated in so either haz himself was turning them up or he knows that isn't happening and is just pulling something out of his ass.

[@cf3714]

The man had a multivideo breakdown comparing height with destiny, then claimed conspiracy when he was an inch shorter. Did this really surprise you?

[@lettersnstuff]

@@cf3714 Destiny actually underwent illegal leg-lengthening surgeries using embryonic stem cells in an ATF controlled Black Site in Turkey in 2015 so, I’m not surprised Haz called conspiracy

[@sypherthe297th2]

@@cf3714 InfraRed is so deep in the closet he has to project this pathetic toxic masculinity to the nth degree. . . Probably why female anatomy confuses him too. He just needs to come out. Its not the 1980s.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@@sypherthe297th2 but he is a tankie he can't rip

[@BXK09]

Haz has done the impossible, he made Hinkle look somewhat coherent and made me side with Destiny. Man’s a miracle worker

[@adrada_1281]

@@slime8177 based

[@krasmazov1959]

Come on, haz can unite all races of the Middle Earth.

[@Cashout95]

@@iceyroo Virgin commie, we are chad socdems and liberals.

[@scottvelez3154]

@@johnlonne7062 Really? How do you fail so badly that you make Richard Spencer look good?

[@cynicalmemester1694]

@@slime8177 yeah for real, people here act like he is a far right neonazi when he literally hold the exact same positions and opinions that Vaush does except for being a socialist.

[@frostbite3318]

I want to believe Haz is playing a character, there’s no way he’s this much of a manchild

[@pwnulater]

@Carl Sorl hinke that you?

[@pwnulater]

@Carl Sorl when?

[@MichaelAronson]

@Carl Sorl This debate really upset you, didn't it?

[@dildonius]

@Carl Sorl Stop doomscrolling, Haz.

[@kj_H65f]

@Carl Sorl you just dunked on yourself with that comment lmao

[@thepicausno5561]

Destiny: Can you prove that the US funded a coup in Ukraine? Jackson: Yea here's evidence that The US gave money to Ukraine. Destiny: But did they fund a coup? Jackson: Your shifting the goalpost.

[@danielshepard1449]

I don't know why this was even being debated. Destiny was wrong here. The state department openly supported the coup in Ukraine and they've been funding "pro democracy" groups in Ukraine that train activists since the Orange revolution. John McCain and state department officials even met with and advised opposition leaders of Euromaidan over Diner as the protests were happening. It isn't a secret that the US and EU supported the Euromaidan coup. They were pretty open about it.

[@TheVegeta67]

​@@danielshepard1449 Destiny asked if they funded the Coup. Jackson instead say the US gave money to the Ukraine Goverment. Destiny asks again if they funded the coup and he said he shifted the goalposts. That's the problem here.

[@danielshepard1449]

@@TheVegeta67 My problem is that Destiny is acting like the US wasn't involved in Euromaidan or Ukrainian politics when they very obviously and publicly were.

[@TheVegeta67]

@@danielshepard1449 But, Jackson instead of saying "I just answered your question" acted like Destiny changed his question when he didn't. Like neither of them did well in this debate. But, both did better than Haz who peaked his mic constantly. Couldn't even understand him half the time.

[@danielshepard1449]

@@TheVegeta67 Lol who care about that though? Jackson is a grifter tankie and bad debater. I care about what's true, not the debate.

[@MatthewFutrell]

They should have lowered Haz's volume so he would have to yell just to be heard at normal volume and make his voice go out. This would be one of the greatest humanitarian efforts of 2022, change my mind.

[@peewee130946]

The moderator did but haz kept raising his volume.

[@MrZithgal]

@@peewee130946 That's when you warn him, and if he doesn't comply, you kick him out. Like seriously, wtf was that entire debacle? It's not hard to set up another conference if he refuses to leave.

[@dudeman5303]

@@MrZithgal straight up they should just kick him off for that shit. Like wtf, why does he get to just ignore the rules of debate? No one else gets to do that. They're going low, and destiny + Dylan are expected to go high.

[@ASolidSnack]

Haz is basically a dog behind a fence, if you get close he starts barking into the microphone and probably chewing on it

[@hectora.hernandez5481]

And like a dog he backs down and runs away from any actual confrontation

[@joe94c]

Didn't he instantly back down to Dylan's face

[@Gloomdrake]

@@joe94c "I didn't know you knew how to fight! D:"

[@joe94c]

@@Gloomdrake what a said creature he is

[@DemonofHell48]

Bruh, come on don't be like that! Dogs are cute.

[@Kaanfight]

This debate had me on the floor because haz kept unmuting himself

[@nodnarbstreams4984]

Haz is literally all screaming and interrupting people so it's no surprise he kept unmuting himself to do exactly that tactic. Everytime I've seen this dude debate it devolves into him just screaming and threatening violence so it's pretty clear he has no arguments just volume.

[@AH-vm8yo]

It had me on the floor too and on the floor I'm still taller than haz

[@mandobrando]

Maybe but I don’t want to watch anymore debates with haz unless he can be muted. His bullshit gets old fast

[@nodnarbstreams4984]

@@mandobrando Pretty sure Vaush has explained before how Haz will not take part in any debate where he can't crank up his volume or can be muted.

[@hectorhall82]

@@nodnarbstreams4984 He acts just like Trump.

[@BlondeEyes7]

When Haz gets angry, he turns into a low-level mob hitman after someone bumped into him and knocked his bagel onto the sidewalk.

[@oddduck2003]

It was a good bagel tho

[@dakunssd]

Leave the gun, take the cannoli

[@NewSocialistEraVideos]

Haz: "YOU'RE CENSORING ME!" Also Haz: Talks over his opponent virtually non-stop to drown them out...lel

[@aegisScale]

Want to censor anything in your video? Just play Haz *arguing literally anything.*

[@esbenm6544]

@Carl Sorl nonsense

[@MichaelAronson]

@Carl Sorl That's not a debate, that's a temper tantrum.

[@TWO20]

@Carl Sorl debates should be an exchange of ideas, not a mutual temper tantrum between two unchanging parties.

[@Drizzlybear1]

@Carl Sorl people can hear what he says within the time he is given in the debate like the other THREE people in the debate did. People CAN'T hear you when you're yelling while someone else is talking and so loudly that you Fuck up the gain on your microphone

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

Vaush's dedication to never writing or pronouncing Jaxton Ankle's name correctly is one of his best running gags

[@catnerdadrian7601]

You mean Gymsock Ackerman?

[@trashrabbit69]

I think you meant Jananamous Anchovy.

[@catnerdadrian7601]

@@trashrabbit69 nah nah gotta be geriatric anchovies

[@freedomofmusic2112]

You mean Jebson Dangles?

[@Drizzlybear1]

@@freedomofmusic2112 oh that guy Jabsmack Sprinkle?

[@darryljack6612]

I always feel so bad for Dylan, rip his sanity as it fades from dealing with these people constantly.

[@MarieAvora]

He was the one who organized it, on his own birthday. He knew exactly what he was getting into

[@Gloomdrake]

Idk, it feels like Dylan enjoys this

[@darryljack6612]

@@MarieAvora So what you are saying is on his birthday he sacrificed himself for our sins of wanting content, on his birthday.

[@lloroshastar6347]

Jesus Christ it's not often I say this but Alex Jones genuinely comes across as more reasonable than Haz, and I'd pretty much dismissed Jones at this point as a complete and total grifting lunatic

[@quorryraphael9980]

Alex totes still is. You just have to watch his MASSIVE pivot from before Russia invaded to right after.

[@onyourleft5648]

@@quorryraphael9980 as a vaush viewer I am uniquely qualified to interject. I think the point being made by Sam, was not that Alex jones is a sane rational individual. It was to use him a general standard by which we a general viewer/poster agree he is a lunatic (I.e. being more insane is both difficult and worthy of note), and that haz meets this crazy definition. Reading this from a utilitarian perspective I am forced to agree with the argument, while maintaining that Alex jones is more of a net evil individual as Alex jones needlessly hurts a relatively small number of people but is the direct cause of such harms (the sandy hook victims are the strongest example of his evil) whereas the direct harm haz causes (and I am not defending him) are less obvious

[@quorryraphael9980]

@@onyourleft5648 I'm just here to spread the knowledge of Alex's bullshittery. most people aren't aware of the extent of his incorrectness because he gaslights his audience (and the rest of the internet) constantly

[@carlcarlington7317]

I’d pay money for the haz v Alex Joan’s debate tbh.

[@lloroshastar6347]

@@carlcarlington7317 That debate would end in an embrace and, if we're lucky, a live sex show so that the union between tankies and fascists will be complete.

[@sasandbernard7862]

Vaush: By “hilarious” do you mean Haz blows out his mic while destiny calls him names? The debate trailer: *is exactly that*

[@cheddaguap]

i mean he probably already watched it

[@Spice983]

😊😅😊vv

[@MichaelAronson]

Destiny can be a shtbag in other contexts, but he is wonderful at trolling Haz and I am here for it.

[@freedomofmusic2112]

For me it's a moral dilemma when someone is so bad they got me in destiny's corner 😂

[@MichaelAronson]

@@freedomofmusic2112 It makes me more disappointed at the other times he just plays contrarian.

[@Blanksmithy123]

@@MichaelAronson he only really plays that part on Twitter, on stream he’s mostly reasonable

[@iamthedave3]

@@Blanksmithy123 Yeah, there's an element of that. Twitter Destiny is what would happen if Gollum got onto twitter after some therapy to get over his ring fixation. Stream Destiny is mostly a reasonable person who plays a lot of league and sometimes has interesting conversations. I hope he duos more/collaborates more with Dylan. They work together well.

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

@@iamthedave3 In short, twitter Destiny is basically Twitter Shaun.

[@JesusHChrist2000]

Biological weapons which only kill a specific person or nationality based on targeted DNA was LITERALLY the plot of the last James Bond film, "No time to die".

[@Spice983]

Wasn't that also a plotline in Killzone Mercenary and Killzone Shadowfall?

[@takoaful]

It's also a plotpoint in MGS 1 and 4 with FOXDIE

[@dakunssd]

At that point, just neutron bomb the country in question. Less hassle, much more reliable, actually technically doable, just as internationally heinous. As for killing just a specific person, there are plenty of poisons to do that. The bioweapons claims from Moscow have been uniformly absurd. I'd readily believe the US would work on bioweapons, even in third countries, but why in the name of fuck would they do that in Ukraine? Anything still left over in those old Soviet labs, sample it, bag it, fly it to New Mexico, or Rammstein, or anywhere else. Cook all other samples.

[@russellward4624]

And an episode of Dark Angel in season 2.

[@benphillips2947]

And they use nanites in that because it's impossible to accomplish biologically.

[@andythedestro12]

Haz literally desribed a metal geal plot. "Biological agents that taraget DNA of specific ethnic groups" is wild

[@bragunetzki]

Thing is, this is now claimed by *official* Russian state media, it's insane

[@AllPlay-NoWork]

I'm interested to see if they will go for vocal cord parasites or the Foxdie approach

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

Considering that ethnic groups don't really have significantly distinct DNA this is not even possible. Even if you target haplogroups this is way too unspecific for it to be limited to one group without massive collateral damage.

[@bragunetzki]

@@Fragenzeichenplatte next Russia is going to say that Ukranians are actually building a metal gear.

[@scantrontheimmortal]

I think thats literally the plot of the PS1/PS2 Syphon Filter games, IE "a bioweapon that one can program on a genetic level to target specific groups of people."

[@RealmRabbit]

*Moderator tries to mute Haz or turn down his volume.* Garrosh Hellscream: "Such power cannot be contained. It must be unleashed!"

[@SSJKirik]

@KZbin is highkey garbage Haz is the Green Knight of real life - except after severing his head he just shouts like mewling bitch.

[@carlcarlington7317]

Haz berated the mute button into submission

[@danielshepard1449]

nerd

[@kraig800i]

It's kind of funny that the chatter was saying they support the Don't Say Gay policy of Disney because they don't believe in Sexual education at Primary school ages. Yet they're okay with numerous Princess fantasies educating young girls on how to think and feel about lifelong relationships? Like why are the two not being viewed as equal? Do they think once the queer topic comes up there's going to be actual nudity on screen?

[@cbj4sc1]

Well yeah, my favorite scene from the Beauty and the Beast remake was when that guy gay starting some HARDCORE gay sex with his boyfriend.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@@cbj4sc1 yeah man I recall seeing that in school too oh wait no

[@Alic4444]

@@jacksmith-vs4ct You don't think there are ever books or movies available about princesses or any other type of idealized romance in primary schools?

[@DrPonner]

I'm really annoyed by the double standard that talking about straight couples is not sexual but talking about gay couples is. Like people acting like they need to explain the birds and the bees when a 6 year old asks why their friend has two moms.

[@LimeyLassen]

When someone says "I support gays but leave the kids out of it" they're saying they think gays are perverts but have a right to be so. I wish they'd be more honest about that but it's clear why they aren't.

[@imnotherenow200]

It's safe to say that if someone is saying "antisemitism isn't a core component of nazism" that they're basically doing nazi apologia right? Like by saying that you're downplaying the harm the nazis were doing against jews during their regime. 🎵 Uh uh. I'm infrared. Uh uh. Nazis liked the jews. 🎵

[@Tacklepig]

The idea that the nazis wanted "pan-european supremacy" is ridiculous. Ffs, they didn't even think that all germans were aryan. They had really strict definitions of who they considered aryan, and most of the nazi leaders themselves didn't even fit that mold.

[@SoWhosGae]

The people at the front of the party and the whole movement were literally the epitome of "Rules for thee not for me" tbh. Some really believed all the propaganda, the ideals, the supremacy, etc. but most honestly knew what they were doing and they dgf if they themselves didn't fit the criteria they set for others.

[@shinystarmiestudios4179]

@@SoWhosGae Hitler himself was an example of that.

[@DemonofHell48]

Ah yes, the debate where Haz screams for most of it and the moderator does nothing.

[@SweatyHatMan]

He was trying to mute Haz but Haz kept unmuting himself lmao

[@pleasedyes]

He’s a great moderator due to his non interference, but when you have people like Haz there’s no hope

[@AliceWallace2]

@Carl Sorl Did we listen to the same debate?

[@Drizzlybear1]

@Carl Sorl did...did we watch the same debate? He ate his mic.

[@MichaelAronson]

@Carl Sorl What is he good at? Listening to his own voice?

[@DrHotWarLove]

People talk loud when they wanna act smart, right? HAZ: CORRECT!!!

[@ohno8569]

I don't know why I laughed so hard at this... good job comrade 👏

[@ackermanlol]

This "debate" was wild, but the next 4(?) hours of Haz and Destiny insulting each other was even more unhinged lmao

[@iamthedave3]

I believe it was three and a half. And then when Destiny finally got tired and said he had to go to sleep Haz was like 'YEAH RUN I WIN COWARD'. He literally just kept going so he could optically be the last man standing.

[@alternateaccount6913]

I legit love how haz will be ranting like a mad man and I hear vaush quietly mentioning cool things in elden ring

[@GuyDudeman97]

Voosh at politics = good Vush at elden ring = bad In short, vaush bad

[@toilinginobscurity3091]

Very good syllogism dear sir!

[@BigOwl51]

Haz: the most intelligent tankie of all time

[@aegisScale]

Also the loudest Jesus Christ

[@shinystarmiestudios4179]

Also Haz: Repeatedly eats his mic

[@TheDonUrbas]

@@aegisScale smatest quietest and most reasonable

[@wayfa13]

@@TheDonUrbas -sounds- reads about right

[@FormThisWay]

@@shinystarmiestudios4179 He's also the quietest tankie

[@Jalmerk]

”I’m surprised if we even have 4k viewers left” Come on Vaush don’t kid yourself. None of us are above this 😂

[@slugboard]

jackson hinkle’s adoption of haz’s speaking affect is genuinely so fucking funny im losing my mind

[@joe94c]

Who is this jackson you speak of? I only know Paxton Jingle

[@benfinlayson2505]

@@joe94c I thought that was Hackson Jambles?

[@LReezy1992]

Jonkson Hankie?

[@lettersnstuff]

janky hankles

[@GBGB000]

Who? Jackoff Pickle?

[@CDP_Media]

When did Hinkle get that accent? Is he trying to sound Russian? Like English is his second language. He’s doing a voice like Haz.

[@nima2542]

I've been wondering this for so long! I swear everytime i hear him he sounds more like Haz. Least I know im not crazy

[@ohno8569]

It's the same phenomenon as an American who adopts a "Hispanic accent" when talking to ESL immigrants... He is subconsciously patronizing someone who he considers inferior... but he probably would say that he is "just trying to be understood"...

[@ohno8569]

@Oswald Cobblepot sir, no amount of your cobblepot money will dissuade me....

[@ohno8569]

@Oswald Cobblepot also...depends on the circumstance... it definitely "could be".... P.s. they already have an American accent.... how many people in South America, have "European accents"?

[@ohno8569]

@Oswald Cobblepot que es te, donde?

[@88mphDrBrown]

I honestly don't understand this argument, even if you were to concede that Ukraine has a decent amount of nazis, how does that justify a full scale invasion and killing civilians? Also: this mod is straight up trash.

[@SoWhosGae]

That argument is the dumbest ish I've ever heard tbh. So now we're excusing invading whole ass countries because they have some bad people in it? Wat? Ukraine didn't ask Russia for help on this like ...

[@alejandrorivas4585]

Nah, James is a very.good moderator who.vaush has worked with numerous times. Its just he was either unable to control Haz, or purposeley wanted the spectacle this time.

[@justalostlocal]

@Obito Uchiha You see, Russia gov is sooo very concerned about the nazis that they did a blood and soil.

[@wayfa13]

@@alejandrorivas4585 James is a good host. If you can't control your own platform, you're probably not doing a good job of moderation, as we were witness to. Haz should not be able to change his volume nor unmute himself if it's determined that he needs to be timed out so that he can calm/quieten down, or give someone else a turn.

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@alejandrorivas4585 being unable to contol/ mute people filibuster screaming through a debate or purposely wanting someone to filibuster scream is practically the textbook definition of a trash mod. Maybe he's at least done the bare minimum in the past, idk, i was referring to this.

[@shrub8644]

Haz = least unhinged tankie

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

Less unhinged than Maupin?

[@sypherthe297th2]

@@InfiniteDeckhand Maupin has to be pretty desperate now that his position at RT has been terminated due to sanctions.

[@iz2333]

@@sypherthe297th2 he can always go back to borgar king

[@garywebb2432]

Destiny binge watches Vaush. Vaush binge watches Destiny back. the cycle continues...

[@Jorg13]

I love how, if you ask either one of them they'll always go "He's covering me more so I have to respond!"

[@DemonofHell48]

Let us hope they will clash once again in the marketplace of screaming over each other.

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

@@Jorg13 They can't get enough of each other smh

[@CourtneyHaynes]

I'm actually surprised by this because Vaush doesn't tend to cover destiny for an extended period of time . Maybe a short clip. But Destiny has not problem covering full vaush debates

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

^

[@hustle_simmons]

There's no debating people who are cool with an invasion of Ukraine by Russia. its impossible to get them to see your point

[@50043211]

This was utterly meaningless with Haz participation, besides demonstrating once again what it looks like when you have nothing of substance to say. Due to the severity of the subject at hand it was not even slightly entertaining but only annoying and painful to witness.

[@prettyokandy230]

why is haz? seriously, why is he?

[@bubblesthemonkey6615]

All this time we’ve been asking “who?” but we should have been asking “why?”

[@SaraphDarklaw]

I blame the parents.

[@ohno8569]

Real answer..... capitalism...

[@Mrraerae]

@@ohno8569 ...what?

[@TheRiquelmeONE]

it's the CIA and NATO, they try to make russian propaganda look bad

[@joe94c]

The debate should have ended when Haz said, 'nations deserve sovereignty'. But you know, gotta be a tankie in all situations

[@peterthephillip]

Haz is so polite to nazis but screaming nonsense at Dylan Burns???! What the fuck?

[@sprybug]

Kind of makes you think doesn't it?

[@kderp9727]

@Carl Sorl oh looks like you let your swastika armband slip out a bit.

[@sprybug]

@@kderp9727 Yeah, I notice a missing comment myself. I had 2 comments from Carl show up, and one of them is magically gone now, calling Conservatives based. Weird.

[@SirSmilingPhantom]

@@sprybug oh it’s still there for me. He said Haz is based and then retracted it in the comment you pointed to.

[@unreasonablyagreeable1081]

@Carl Sorl you literally get 0 bitches

[@DrHotWarLove]

1:10:20 Vaush finds Jordan B. Peterson in his natural habitat, 1:18:17 Vaush defeats him in the marketplace of ideas and 2:09:00 Vaush slays his dragon of chaos.

[@ZiggaBIZ]

RIP to Haz & whoever the other guy is who gave away the whole game in his opening statement.

[@TheHockeyjock10]

@@orangenostril pretty sure his name is Jason Honkle.

[@Revan058]

@@TheHockeyjock10 Jabson Stinkle.

[@Ceaseless_Cischarge]

@@Revan058 Jackweed Sprinkles

[@TheSunnyDayle]

@@Ceaseless_Cischarge Jansen Wrinkle

[@WhenToastersAttack]

@@TheSunnyDayle Jensen Ackles

[@cody967]

I'm still undecided what side I fall on.... Whether the Holodomor Hobbit, or Moscow Munchkin was funnier 🤣🇺🇦

[@iamthedave3]

Can either truly compete with Kremlin Gremlin or AK 4' 7''?

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

Holodomor Hobbit all the way

[@cody967]

@@iamthedave3 🤣 shit was so funny. hadn't laughed that hard in ages.

[@WhayYay]

If I was Dylan burns or Destiny I'd just start micspamming if I was continuously getting interrupted without anything being done about it.

[@wwickeddogg]

There is no way I'd let that hazardous waste say anything, as soon as he starts talking I would interrupt him and if the debate gets cancelled I'd take it as a win since fewer people got exposed to his propaganda.

[@ClankTube]

32:50 "The details of which have not been disclosed to the butt-fucking public" how tf did I miss that the first 2 times I watched this lmao

[@DemonofHell48]

How did you watch this more than once?

[@Revan058]

@@DemonofHell48 Shark and Prez Sunday both covered it. This is my *fourth* time, personally...I watched the raws on the Crimson Chin's channel, then Shark, then Sunday's. Hearing their POVs picking it apart was pretty interesting, when watching it nude on Dylan's was pure agony.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@Revan058 so wait, did you notice it the third time or here?

[@Revan058]

@@Gloomdrake I didn't even notice it here, if I'm being honest. Not until I read that comment, jumped to the time he indicated, and listened closely.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@Revan058 for some reason I thought you were OP

[@TheBasedGreeg]

I’m a little upset that Vaush stopped before some of the most hilarious moments of the debate, but I’m still glad I suggested that he watch it lol

[@MichaelAronson]

Which channel has the best version of it and do you roughly remember the timestamp for the good stuff?

[@seanmac1793]

@@MichaelAronson Dylan has the 4 hour cut. Destiny's cut is just the debate it's self not the after show

[@TheBasedGreeg]

@@MichaelAronson yeah, watch it on Dylan’s channel, he has the debate, and the post debate screaming match between Haz and Destiny. The debate ends around the 2 hour mark, and Vaush stopped watching like 15-20 mins before the debate ended

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

@@TheBasedGreeg "screaming match between Haz and Destiny" How adorable. These two assholes have really found each other.

[@wayfa13]

@@Fragenzeichenplatte LOL

[@BenYork-UBY]

I stopped watching Modern Day Debate because the conversations just turn into distorted noise as everyone tries to talk at once. James is a nice guy, but he doesn't moderate. He's in it for the bloodsports. I guess that's fine if you want bloodsport and not debate but it's not my cup of tea

[@DamienBlade]

The only thing of value that I got out of this debate was that I need to install and finally play Hollow Knight.

[@brettleighglass]

Haz is literally insane.

[@charmcitykid2608]

Just reinforces how bad of an actual moderator James is. This is consistent with his debates where he lets one person clearly violate every rule set forth or derail the conversation and he just sits there dumbfounded that he gets ignored.

[@garywebb2432]

haz kept unmuting

[@speakerdestroyer425]

Like Vaush said he doesn't really do moderating at all, he's more of a host. A good moderator of a debate will fact-check what's being said, and call out any bullshit. Moderating isn't claiming neutrality or impartiality by not challenging anything that's being said on either side that is just plain wrong, at that point all you're doing is just inadvertently (or deliberately) platforming propagandists because the side that is factually wrong will never engage in good-faith arguments or respect the rules of a debate.

[@generalmartok3990]

Johnson Honkle's opening statement aged so well since you literally can't call it a war in Russia now.

[@AvivoDNA]

Its crazy how uninteresting Jorbles Hiccup is, he's a horrible public speaker and isn't even entertaining in the same way Haz is. My brain just slides off of the debate whenever he speaks

[@MichaelAronson]

Because he has no real positions, or is too afraid to share what they are. Notice he barely says anything about Russia at all. He's nitpicking over how many nazis live in Ukraine.

[@davidshane9495]

Simping for Russia is pretty cringe.

[@nathanbyrne9457]

Love how war crimes were completely side lined because of one person from 1940 lol

[@robynsummer7068]

Man, James did an atrocious job moderating here. He might as well have not even been there.

[@LotharOfTheHillPeople]

For real. On Haz's five-hundredth interruption maybe he should have just kicked him from the debate.

[@marciamakesmusic]

did you miss the whole conversation about how the goal for these types isnt moderating. if you want actual moderation you're not gonna find it in entertainment debates

[@Chelts]

Haz stresses me out so much. He gets set off so easily. His ticker is gonna get worn out. If it's genuine anger and not some agro front to control the conversation.

[@sypherthe297th2]

It can't happen soon enough. One less authoritarian thug in the world would be a positive.

[@FormThisWay]

Massive wife abuser energy

[@sypherthe297th2]

@@FormThisWay InfraRed is either going to be a "confirmed bachelor" all of his life ala Lindsay Graham or hes going to come out of the closet. If he does the latter, I suspect it'll do a lot to mitigate that comical rage and need to project that he displays every second of ever day. I sincerely doubt a woman will ever be involved but stranger things have happened.

[@All4Randomness1]

I think he thinks it's a front, but he's acting that way for emotional reasons. He slips into the persona so easily, it's second nature. So yeah, his heart is gonna give out sooner rather than later.

[@Liliputian07]

good riddance

[@francothesucc9701]

The little awkward silences from Jakton Dinkleberry as he waited for his RT talking points to come in live was hilarious

[@SS-xr7jf]

Ok so antisemitism wasn’t a core part of nazism, it was all about pan European anti slav sentiment. Sounds stupid but ok. So are the Ukrainian nazis gonna put themselves in concentration camps then? Because Ukrainians are also Slavic. I’m not sure that I’m flexible enough for this mental gymnastics. Also, this moderator sucked for this debate.

[@Gloomdrake]

Doesn't the moderator for this channel usually suck?

[@Superbajt]

It's interesting that there were more gremlins and gnomes in the debate than in the fantasy game that was being played.

[@gwydionml6479]

More trolls too

[@matthewodell9129]

Jesus, hearing the words 'ballistics experts' come out of Jake Hankhill's mouth have me a PTSD panic attack.

[@Jaq2Jack]

Has is insufferable. Also, how is there no evidence he's not being paid by Russia?

[@Hawkwood96]

Haz and Dinkle defending russia even as Mariupol officials are estimating 10-20k dead civilians after the most recent Russian bombing campaign (targeting apartment blocks) makes me think they couldn't possibly be honest actors. To defend such brutality is to be worse than complicit in it. They're actively taking part, in their own way.

[@MichaelAronson]

Of course. If they were the slightest bit honest, they'd say something like, "What Russia is doing right now is inexcusable, BUT . . ." They can't even pretend to give a shit whatsoever.

[@jimihough6332]

When has honesty ever been a considerable factor in grifting? That includes all breadtube midwits

[@Hawkwood96]

@@jimihough6332 never said it was. My phrasing is an implicit refutation of their own stated intent.

[@pax6833]

They repeat bogus claims of Azov ethnically cleansing eastern Ukraine and committing huge amounts of atrocities. Literally just straight propaganda from Russian state TV that nobody else believes. Not even a single cell phone video for evidence.

[@dabhab1237]

This takes me back to the days of the great Vaushtiny alliance of years past

[@viziontrex]

were never getting the Vaushtiny v Striker/Allsup era again :( Those were the days

[@veemie8148]

@Carl Sorl Carl Soy

[@SA-mo3hq]

Someone PLEASE sanction Infrared's microphone into oblivion. Fucking warcrime.

[@sneakyfish8191]

It is objectively correct to exclude Haz from debate. Dude has serious personality problems. Seek help Haz, get well.

[@ghostybroyo]

I love how tall dudes think that makes them able to fight by default shits adorable

[@88mphDrBrown]

I bet a lot of people thought Audie Murphy wasn't intimidating or dangerous.

[@jaxsonhammerkawk7436]

Whos the tall guy? destiny is like 5'8" and haz is like an inch or half inch shorter, not sure about hankle or Dylan

[@ghostybroyo]

@@jaxsonhammerkawk7436 haz is 6'2-4" based on what vaush and his uncle cenk said before

[@jaxsonhammerkawk7436]

@@ghostybroyo no he's not lol, he's shorter than destiny. they were at an event together and stood back to back on stream an haz was just a little bit shorter than destiny

[@iz2333]

@@ghostybroyo lmao no haz is exactly as tiny as his insecurity indicates. 5'7" at most.

[@Kim6roSlice]

Shoutout to the editor who keeps changing Jason Hoinkle’s name

[@renardleblanc5030]

@1:43:30 ish... the word you're looking for is "aesthetic." And I have to agree with you, the look&feel of the game is absolutely rich&creamy. WoW certainly does know its aesthetic, Though Metzens character design amounts to A) more shoulders, and B) more tusks/horns/grimace, or C) Panda Don't mind me: I went to college for art.

[@seanelsenbroek7530]

I love watching vaush get f’d up by lobsters. I could watch that all day lol

[@kieranbarnes8284]

it's so funny listening the Jabson Ankle's impression of Haz back to back with the OG himself. also damn what a shitshow XD

[@mistalod]

So I'm playing a video game while watching somebody else play a video game while watching somebody else debating somebody else. Weird.

[@ohno8569]

Imagine arguing against democracy... when you know that hundreds of thousands of people are watching...🤦‍♂️ Haz is either entirely focused on "optics"... or he genuinely doesn't give a fuck... Personally, I think he's ultra-focused... he thinks that he's, the anti-hero in the comic book that is his political perspectives....

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

I don't know if the guy who shouts over people cares about optics.

[@ohno8569]

@@Fragenzeichenplatte that's a part of the "shtick".... haz adopts....."toxic masculinity" (you know what I mean), is how he purposefully trys to connect with the "right wing, crowd"....

[@dizehjvegnomis]

"this isn't an opening statement anymore!" i laughed so hard that i cried😂

[@carlcarlington7317]

I want someone to do the bill hicks thing to haz. When Haz starts eating the microphone and yelling literally put the mic in your mouth and make loud as fuck siren sounds to mock him

[@AndroidCovenant]

Finally some good content to listen to while I work at my boring monotonous job. Thank you Vaush and Ryan!!!

[@gabip157]

This is literally the only video with Destiny where I have laughed 😂😂 their intro statement was everything

[@richardcohx7320]

Came for the debate review. Stayed for the elden ring gameplay. Is his 24 hour vod still not public?

[@ProcyonMPanda-zo2vu]

It isn't hidden, just unlisted. You can find all his live streams on his channal > Playlists > Stream VOD

[@richardcohx7320]

@@ProcyonMPanda-zo2vu Man good thing I didn't ask if it was hidden. If you respond hopefully it's to point me in a place where I can actually witness with my eyeballs the video wherein vaush plays elden ring for 24 hours.

[@HAHAHHAHAHA-o9m]

vaush chat never likes realizing they agree with destiny lolol

[@SuperAsefasef]

You’re pretty spot on with the art direction thing. From is actually pretty unique in how much they adhere to the actual initial art that is made for their games. Seriously look at some of the concept art versus what made it into the game. It’s part of why their games are so visually distinct and breathtaking despite not really being anything fancy in terms of graphical technology.

[@kyrylomorozov9637]

Additional point with regards to Stepan Bandera: his biggest accomplishment which is celebrated today is declaration of independence during the Nazi occupation of Ukraine, for which he was promptly imprisoned. He gained fame and became the symbole of national independence movement during the 30s as a result of Polish trials against him and other conspirators (because Ukraine was also occupied by Poland at that point… at least from the perspective of the Ukrainians in what is known today as west Ukraine). He was racist towards Jews and Poles though, not gonna deny that. And was a fan of integral nationalism of Doncov (Донцов), which is pretty gruesome as well. But taken out of context his figure and it's popularity can't be judged properly, imho.

[@kyrylomorozov9637]

Our history is riddled with conflicting figures who had to do horrible stuff for the sake of liberation and to fight off equally horrible assimilation. Doesn't mean that they should be paraded as saints, of course, but understanding the context of the liberation struggle is necessary to speak about the political leanings of Ukraine today without bias. Unfortunately, the shift in culture due to agression of Russia has resulted in certain Ukrainian historical figures, who also did the upmost best for the independence of Ukraine albeit through more democratic means, being abandoned as a result of them not fitting the narrative of the "Eternal Bloody Struggle against Russia", or, you know, them often times being socialist because admitting that would mean somehow not demonizing USSR which is not in fashion understandably so. The victims of information war if you will. But personally, I think that the only way for the Ukrainian society to move on and get a more sober look at it's history, is to put an end to Russian imperialism. Once the struggle with foreign nations trying to assimilate Ukraine stops, the need for Nationalistic icons will too.

[@kyrylomorozov9637]

The Odessa massacre being done by Azov is a great misrepresentation of the tragedy. It's far more difficult thant that unfortunately. More a series of unfortunate events that was most likely premeditated in some part by someone. Although it's true that the nationalists (not Azov though, it's like dude there are more than one Nationalistic organization in Ukraine) burned that house, at least it appears as such, some theories put it so that the fire started from within but they rarely hold ground after certain amount of scrutiny. Doesn't help that chief of police who was actively accused in not aiding in deescalation found asylum in Russia. A friend of the family died there actually so it hits close to home. He was extremely pro-russian and often called for violence against Ukrainian speakers. I still struggle to this day with how to process that event. It must be really funky looking inside Ukraine's politics from outside from the west's perspective. The truth is that in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus equally Nationalistic and Xenophobic ideas coming from pro-russian side have been tolerated for ages while the Ukrainians were demonized because of "Russian = good" status quo in eastern Europe carrying over from USSR, which kinda resulted in a lot of Ukrainians having sudden ideological whiplash when the Russia attacked in 2014 and especially now also. The bottom line is that imperialism always breeds radicalism. And Ukraine is no exception. Anyhow, I'll stop now. Just kinda rambling, that's it. P.S: Hopefully Azov does the good deed, defends Ukraine and the Nazis of Azov go into the ground doing the good deed.

[@Revan058]

@@kyrylomorozov9637 TL;DR: Nazi bad, nazi shooting other nazi rad.

[@justass3001]

Well most of the Easter European block countries celebrated Nazi's in some way after Hitler pushed into the Ussr. For an example, only recently in my country, Lithuania, a constitution and a declaration of independence made by a political party of guerrilla fighters against the Ussr was discredited as a real document because it featured a clause of accepting the conditions of Nazi Germany. Since the Ussr was the first and the much longer occupier, our countries simply chose the lesser of two evils (in their opinion) and collaborated with nazis in hopes of aquiring independence.

[@kyrylomorozov9637]

@@justass3001 Yeah, also and it's not much but: it took a while for ordinary people to realize the extent of the Nazi's evil. Germany had an effective propaganda that specifically targeted regions oppressed by USSR, which netted them quite a bit of success with the Finns, Ukrainians etc.

[@costadinover]

Even if I agreed with Haz, I would feel ashamed to have him as a speaker for my side, The guy isn't capable of human interaction without sounding like a baby throwing a tantrum.

[@turbaecarissimus9752]

Aw shit, Vaush summarized the debate in 10secs within the first 30secs of this video.

[@maximtcaciuc2904]

Love how Haz keeps asking for time but he keeps screaming like a 10 year old during Dylan's and Destiny's turn anyway.

[@jameslwjtoler]

The OCD freakout I am experiencing from you not picking up item drops/ Rune Skulls while going around the open world is distracting me from all of the stupidity that is being displayed.

[@z115zt7]

Kremlin Gremlins 2: Attack of the Microphone Bandits

[@Neko1Trick]

I think the problem with Skyrim and Oblivion are the fact that the people who control those regions are like way too similar to us. Unlike Morrowind which is less Men and more Mer. Just my thoughts as I am currently replaying Morrowind.

[@Morgan21590]

Heyy same! It took me forever to get over my hangups about the graphics. But now that I'm back in it (and with the help of some mods), I'm finally reminded of how amazing this game is.

[@beauhendershot7911]

Jibnston Dingleberrydor

[@krumb520]

Why are the dumbest ones always the loudest?

[@corvusclones]

I think Haz is biologically incapable of letting someone else speak

[@moonlightrouge3956]

Haz is describing the Reznov flashback of COD: black ops 1

[@jaimefernandez2624]

the only debate with jackson dingdong worth watching is the one with sam seder, watch sam seder lose his mind.

[@sudsandstuff7228]

Jepsan Cankles is still putting on that dumb accent when he pronounces stuff so he can more like Haz. Especially stuff with T’s at the end

[@foxstele]

Listening to the intro I got an idea for a mod for whatever application they are using to do these debates: Every time you max out your mic volume you lose 1 decibel. So louder you get the quieter you are. Would both make these debates less annoying and more hilarious at the same time.

[@MarkArandjus]

How does ANYONE take Infrared seriously? How does this man have subs? Like if I 100% agreed with his politics and ideology, I'd be embarrassed that this dingdong was representing my viewpoints.

[@wayfa13]

they're probably just there for the madness, popcoin in hand

[@mattmcgourty7971]

I fucking hate the way Jason Hinkleberg annunciates his words

[@daniilkaminskyi8713]

“It’s no a Russian state media, it’s Russian embassy”

[@iceman5117]

Note how Haz called Eduard Limonov, the one of two founders of the National Bolshevik Party, an "anarchist". Likewise, he would probably call Dugin an "anarchist" despite him literally being a "pan-eurasian supremacist" with an ideology described as "a form of a fascist ideology centred on the idea of revolutionising the Russian society and building a totalitarian, Russia-dominated Eurasian Empire that would challenge and eventually defeat its eternal adversary represented by the United States and its Atlanticist allies, thus bringing about a new ‘golden age’ of global political and cultural illiberalism

[@Anthonycheesman33]

Feel like he’s turning into the riddler with all that yelling lol.

[@seanl7804]

Me: let me put this debate on for some background noise while I do some coding. Also me: "gets mesmerized by the dragon fight*

[@ranchpanda7932]

Finally. The only way I will watch this debate

[@Revan058]

Shark's take on it was pretty enjoyable, too. Prez Sunday was also pretty decent.

[@dubsky_]

I originally didn't click bc I didn't recognize Jabson Huply was in this