Dylan Burns vs Jabson Ankles Debate Goes FERAL | Vaush Reacts

[@testoftempest]

Should Vaush make more videos like this? He’s looking to do more debate reactions! Let us know! Thanks for the Memes Dylan. Original Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmmQo6d4jrl-fJo ⏱Timestamps! 0:00 Intro 5:42 Henry Kissinger & More Content? 8:05 Taiwan Context 17:05 Conspiracy Theorist 20:08 Bad Faith Actor 25:03 I Would Love For Him to substantiate His Claims 27:29 He Was a SOFT BOI 34:36 Going to War With China? 41:48 Dhar Mann Bad Guy 46:40 Name Drop 49:26 Airspace 54:58 Support for Independence? 1:02:35 Hypotheticals 1:13:11 Cope Laughing & Other Tactics 1:22:00 How Guys Like This Argue 1:25:00 He Won’t Answer! Shameless! 1:29:15 More Hypotheticals 1:35:30 The French 1:39:30 DSA Patch 1:45:20 Question for Chat 1:51:14 Criticism For Dylan 1:57:09 Chess with a Pigeon 2:06:54 Wikipedia Fu 2:12:00 Psychic Vaush 2:20:39 JH Coping 2:44:38 Accepting a Fundie 2:51:54 LIVE Shoe On Head Exposes 2:59:23 Am I a Sellout?

[@agent_w.]

fun fact: you read this in your head

[@whazyonumbah]

Yes he should

[@genericgt5894]

yes pls

[@grandmafleece8286]

Yes I would like to see Vaushs perspective on everybody else in the online left.

[@JackgarPrime]

I think it would be useful, even if this dude is insufferable. Btw, why was the first upload of this taken down?

[@elbownio5820]

Dylan was not only the winner of this debate, he was also the moderator

[@GigasGMX]

That's what we call "an unfair advantage".

[@elbownio5820]

@@GigasGMX no I mean he acted as the unofficial, defacto moderator of this debate

[@gasc0ny]

@@GigasGMX knowing how to control a conversation isn’t an unfair advantage

[@good4gaby]

@@GigasGMX we do?

[@scotthall1658]

Double trouble.

[@nisiwilli]

It's so surreal being a Taiwanese, listening to foreigners arguing whether our country exists.

[@jacencade4019]

Now you know why the Danish are nervous.

[@w4ck3ed]

We have a god complex over here. Pretty cringe

[@TheBigEvil]

It does exist.

[@calvingarbacik272]

My friend once told me that "it's basically like if the US president declared Cuba an American State called Jefferson, and they ordered that anyone who says the word 'Cuba' be executed."

[@latariusjackson7930]

@@poiu477 china aint socialist breh

[@A2simp]

This guy's opinion is literally "If you cant defend yourself from a stronger military you don't have a right to exist" and he calls himself an anti imperialist, what a clown

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

Literally Nazi philosophy. "Survival of the fittest" - interpreted as physical strength

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

Taiwan claims main land China as being part if their territory and if they don't want China to anex them they should stop trying to do the same.

[@JARV9701]

That was actually an argument from Destiny about socialists governments being overthrown.

[@gasc0ny]

@@nataliekhanyola5669 first of all, Taiwan is not trying to take back the mainland in anyway right now, because they would be obliterated. Second of all, if they relinquish that claim, China will see it as Taiwan declaring independence and will send its military to invade and “””””””retake””””””” it.

[@strongbone9471]

This is unironically destiny's same take in his debate he had with vaush and rem in the canadian indigenous pipeline debate.

[@Speederzzz]

For a man who hates the "US government line"/"CIA speakingpoints" this man does value the US government's evaluation of what is and isn't a country a lot

[@AviaKun]

I know this is off topic but, Oh my god I love your pfp 😍😍

[@randombloke165]

You mean “The US Empire” right?

[@SanvelloSerapiega]

Tbf him pointing out how US policy is openly hypocritical would normally be useful if he followed this point up intelligently. All he is doing is pointing out the US is a hypocrite that shapes its foreign policy for it's own interests. Something Dylan agrees with.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

If this dude is a man then im a tortoise.

[@Blakbox92]

@@randombloke165 "Modern US American Empire"

[@beowyfe]

Dylan: “Why are you so angry you were nice to Vaush?” Jason: “Well you haven’t called me a Nazi yet.” Does Jason want to be called a Nazi?

[@ongek428]

Yes.

[@strongbone9471]

It's his kink.

[@isaactate9853]

He has a humiliation fetish, so when vaush insulted him it made him have to focus on not calling vaush "sir" so he wasn't able to get mad.

[@hlheutte6554]

by the way jason hickle and jackson hinkle arent the same person loll

[@blargh3428]

He was just hoping he could make Dylan angry and give up so he could declare victory. Just wound up making himself look like an ass

[@whatsagoodusername823]

"TELL ME, DYLAN" he screams repeatedly, not giving him 5 seconds to answer the question

[@ryukrocks8843]

never seen a man so alergic to shuting the fuck up

[@terranman4702]

"TELL ME, DYLAN!!!", Dumbeldore said gently

[@beowyfe]

When somebody acting as bad faith as Jackson has says “that’s an interesting point” it basically just means they think you’re just right but don’t want to say it.

[@beowyfe]

@@rainbowkrampus No I mean Junk Hunderfund

[@beowyfe]

@Ua Ruaidrí Thanks for the engagement

[@nondescriptcat5620]

@@rainbowkrampus Jingle Hinglebingle.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

@Ua Ruaidrí You realize that comments and even downvotes boost a channel in the youtube algorithm right?

[@AR15ORIGINAL]

@The 4th Reich Thank you for engaging

[@stormRed]

"It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country. It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country. It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country." When you accidentally keep talking to nurse Joy instead of leaving.

[@jo0rd73]

I fucking cackled

[@ActualZombeard]

I get this reference.

[@FelisImpurrator]

China lost the Copium Wars in this debate

[@LimeyLassen]

God I'm gonna steal this this is so good

[@fettuwuccine]

best comment lmao

[@ms6534]

This dude must be jacked from carrying those goalposts back and forth all day.

[@alandgomez5905]

Lol

[@yeehaw27]

"LET ME TALK OVER YOU OR YOU'RE A BETA" "Okay, I'm a beta" Chad move

[@henriquepacheco7473]

Absolute sigma move

[@alviseossena3238]

Time stamp?

[@Reallifesatan]

1:49:13

[@kaiserepsilon4011]

I have trancended your pack animal mindset.

[@fnord3125]

wow this goes off the rails INSTANTLY. "Name one thing an embassy does that the american institute in taiwan does not do? literally any one thing." "Uh, well BE AN EMBASSY." cool, dude. good talk.

[@tuntejaable]

Well he was right. It's not an embassy. Hard to argue against that fact.

[@Tid55584]

@@tuntejaable he's right in the same way that it would be correct to say "A Chevy is not a Ford". Like yeah, sure, but they do the same things, and are practically the same in all but name.

[@huntergomersall7530]

It’s only a fact if you think what defines something is calling it that, and not how it functions, it’s the difference between a functional definition, and a purely subjective one.

[@sebastianlavallee706]

@@tuntejaable It's just as hard to argue against that fact as it is to argue against the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea not being democratic, for the people or a republic. Literally the only argument for it not being an embassy is "well it's in the name".

[@diallo1347]

@@tuntejaable correct. They have different labels, but function EXACTLY the same. Good talk.

[@exposureeee]

"Jackson didn't leave to get water, he went to open the window to let the hypothetical out" This took me out 🤚🏽😭💀

[@kraio-sfu]

Who is Jackson? Michael Jackson??

[@charler-ry1rb]

@@kraio-sfu jackson twinkle

[@prossnip42]

This guy: "I do not engage in hypotheticals" *spends almost 40 minutes arguing about a hypothetical 1948 situation where Israel does not get US support* This guy has less braincells than my girlfriend and i made her up just now

[@georgebarnard7831]

This is a funny comment

[@moguhoki]

The ending killed me

[@JBlazingit]

Is your girlfriends name Alden by any chance

[@veganvanguard8273]

@@JBlazingit Aldens Lover.

[@vyxxer]

That's what's really telling to me. "my ideology is so flimsy that it falls apart under any cross examination"

[@Alex-cw3rz]

So by this guys logic Iran, North Korea, Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines and Guinea-Bissau are all not nations because they don't have US embassies..

[@wizarddragon]

This guy doesn't use logic.

[@kain6996]

Shockingly the “anti-imperialist” that defines a nation states status as an “actual” country by looking at the 2 largest imperialist nations and whether or not they define it as a country and also believes that any country that can’t defend itself with its own military doesn’t deserve to exist…. And explicitly included NATIVES rolled over by IMPERIALIST Britain and the US as not deserving to have country status…. is totally consistent and not at all full of shit

[@breadofjustice3584]

He'd probably say NK doesnt need a US Embassy to be sovereign because it has a Chinese Embassy or something stupid.

[@treees420]

somebody's been hittin the seterra!

[@thatsinteresting3415]

Well, see, Jackson is an anti-imperialist. And anti-imperialism is when the USA decides everything. Lol

[@aderynalbarelli5899]

That fucking thirty minutes hinkle spent on the foreign advisor/expert, and the “Taiwan isn’t a country” things kill me Gives me such Mike from P.A. Vibes 😆

[@kain6996]

Hankle* gotta spell it right

[@k_anth]

what's a tiff⁉️

[@kneau]

Have the two of them conversed on camera before? Hankle* & Mike?

[@Fuwutaba]

@@kneau good question, because if not, there’s no proof they aren’t the same person-

[@kneau]

@@Fuwutaba eep! I merely wondered if they consider themselves allies or rivals in the realms of clout & debate - at first. Now? Mental images of a StarshipUK Winder, featuring a Hinkle/Hankle 'smiler' & 'malevolence' Mike. Please do not mistake the above reference to Dr. Who as an invitation to talk about Dr. Who beyond this reference. The imagery of a Winder is what I think fits & I'm not aiming to wrench things off task.

[@Dylanquinn666]

Goddamn, this tankie guy is insufferable. I'm 5 minutes in and he's just been needlessly aggressive the entire time...

[@slamrobot6584]

Right?

[@resir9807]

Vaush gets criticized for calling his opponents mentally ill, but goddamn, I see it so hard, and I feel like any introspective or psychologically literate person should. It think Vaush is UNDERstating how incredibly insecure and narcissisistic this dude is.

[@veganvanguard8273]

Yep. Agression is often a display of insecurity.

[@anikmonette2140]

@@resir9807 I think I recognize this guy just by his yelling alone...

[@puckerings]

He started off aggressive when he said he's changed his strategy to include debating nobodies, therefore he will now debate Dylan. He was disingenuous from the get-go.

[@Vashy434]

Jabsons mom:"Hey son, stay out of the street because it's dangerous." Jabson:"How is it dangerous" Jabsons mom:"Well you could get hit by a car and-" Jabson:"STOP I WILL NOT ENGAGE WITH YOUR HYPOTHETICALS GIVE ME A REAL LIFE INSTANCE OF ME BEING HIT BY A CAR!"

[@JukeboxTheGhoul]

Please!

[@dixielandcrew7]

OK son, you go stand in the road and I will happily go start the car and meet you outside.

[@MrBobbymacaroni]

Well then step out to the driveway. I'll be there as soon as I find my keys!

[@eelvis1674]

The reason the alpha posturing actually works for Vaush is because in reality he is a feminist and and LGBTQ advocate etc. Doing alpha posturing while just being an open misogynist is just embarrassing

[@smaakjeks]

Deconstructing the label "alpha posturing", to me it just seems like Vaush has discarded ego from his debates. He is open to being corrected, and not afraid to say when he is ignorant about something. When you don't need to protect your ego, because ego is not part of intellectually honest discourse, it can seem like fearlessness. When someone pretends to have the same lack of fear in discourse, yet definitely have a fragile ego that is all tied up with a need to never be wrong, then it looks weak sauce.

[@eelvis1674]

@@smaakjeks yeah it's definitely less core to his brand than it used to be but he still puts his masculinity pretty front and centre

[@smaakjeks]

@@eelvis1674 Okay. I'm very new to Vaush, so I'm just saying what I see from the limited content I've consumed so far. Having trouble differentiating ironic memeing from sincerity sometimes. But that's okay, all I care about is the points being made :)

[@eelvis1674]

@@smaakjeks he used to be a deal more hard-headed and aggressive (not to mention crass lol) I usually find his new attitude makes for more interesting conversations, but sometimes when he's talking to someone with really boring, tired opinions, I wish he would just rip into them a bit more.

[@smaakjeks]

@@eelvis1674 Ah okay. I'll keep that in mind, thanks!

[@Elmoconvo]

There's no way this guy isn't being propped up by RT

[@aylio3745]

Just wait until the end of the debate. Dylan goes hard on his connections to Russian funding.

[@Cancellator5000]

He's an anti imperialist except when he is simping for Russia and China.

[@Mark-zk3gu]

He's propped up by dimmy jore

[@Tid55584]

RoosterTeeth has gone too far this time!

[@thatsinteresting3415]

@@Cancellator5000 I don't know, he apparently simps for the USA too. You aren't a country unless the USA says so

[@moresnqp]

i like how its immediately him going "so youre saying youre an expert" "no" "but i think youre an expert so" i should sleep

[@godocs11]

You're an expert. No. I don't call myself an expert. Well you function as an expert so you're an expert. Ok...well the Taiwanese embass- NOT AN EMBASSY! ...but it functions as an embassy so I'm gonna call it a- YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

[@toptextbottomtext3062]

"Y R U GAE?" "Who says I'm gay?" "U R GEY!"

[@diobrando6910]

@@toptextbottomtext3062 Uruguay.

[@pissfather6798]

It was such a baffling exchange lmao he basically complimented dylan, the man is so genuinely lost

[@curtisedmonds9933]

@The 4th Reich Low tier bait, are you even trying?

[@-47-]

>"It can't function as an embassy because it's not an embassy" >"You're being illogical" I don't think he knows what logic is.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

So I guess Luxembourg, Costa Rica, Samoa, faroe Island, Butan etc are no longer nations as they can't defend themselves 🤔

[@resir9807]

Luxembourg is my favourite french province

[@ProperlyGaming]

By this guy's logic, if a nation can't defend itself without aid from another nation then pretty much every nation would be fucked. The world would be 3 countries, America Russia and China and that's it. America would end up conquering the north American and south American content, Russia would conquer pretty much all of europe and parts of the middle east and China would take all of Asia and the rest of the middle east. That's if we were to go down the rabbit hole he wants to go down.

[@mrbojang5702]

Faroe islands is a territory of Denmark

[@trashrabbit69]

Japan doesn't even have a standing army in technical terms, so is Japan just the 51st state?

[@elijahluftig938]

Also germany too. Our military is weak as fuck we couldnt defend against anyone without nato

[@kellz9972]

I want a edit of redacted from redacted screaming "WHATS A TIFF" and Jackson yelling "ITS NOT A COUNTRY"

[@johngr1747]

"JUST ANNEX CHINA!!!"

[@ometta7]

Like a screaming match between the two of them? I'd watch it. lol

[@necko2529]

If Asad can't protect 1/3 of his country, he doesn't deserve to have it. Right Jackson?

[@zacheryeckard3051]

You confuse Hinkle for a person with principles or consistency or enough braincells to think that far. Everyone needs to stop talking to him, at this point.

[@necko2529]

@@zacheryeckard3051, you're right, I gave him too much credit.

[@luciferkotsutempchannel]

I mean... Assad doesn't really deserve any of Syria so...

[@MakooWallinen]

Dylan is nice and friendly for 5 minutes straight from the start and still this guy seems to take every single word like an insult... what is going on...

[@TeiwazTheGoat]

He’s trying compensate the fact that he’s wrong with coming across as aggressive a dominant in the debate. Trying fake it until he makes it essentially. However 15 minutes into this video he’s effectively revealed himself as an idiot. The concept of if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, it’s obviously a duck; is obviously beyond him.

[@schnoz2372]

He’s so insecure that he anticipates antagonism and so he preempts it, probably hoping that this will make him appear confident

[@hope1575]

@@TeiwazTheGoat But the bigger ducks won't say it's a duck, so there! Concede!

[@PuppyM0dr]

"will you marry me" we're not married "i-i know, but would you like to be" i'm not engaging with your hypothetical

[@nobodysgren7402]

This is absolutely why I subscribed in the first place - I didn't get to see you actually debate people until I was already deep into the Vaush content. Seeing you dissect other arguments and break it down is my favorite content you do - video games or not. Though Bloodborne in the background was always funny to watch.

[@singularity___]

Big same, analysis like this is my favorite Vaush content

[@stang9806]

@The 4th Reich I’m on gargalonpilled

[@nobodysgren7402]

@Coconut Head Oh that's what I did at the beginning. While I'm delivering at work usually.

[@unholycephalopod3019]

@The 4th Reich well you are a angry Lil guy aren't you?

[@Kazoo_man64]

He’s the first and only person to beat bloodborne btw

[@jry0511]

How the hell can a person even formulate political opinions/arguments without engaging in hypotheticals? This guy is a complete nut.

[@ee-ef8qr]

He probably failed math because it wasn't real actual examples.

[@MrHattor]

This proved remarkably prescient given the recent NonCompete "debate" lol

[@salim5394]

Professor flowers and Mel do the same thing, all pseudo-intellectuals

[@Alex-cw3rz]

This guy is so out of his depth I don't think that the guy knows where Tiawan is, he even seemed confused when Dylan mentioned there being a sea between China and Tiawan

[@scottvelez3154]

Taiwan is an island close to China.

[@WBWhiting]

Maybe he thinks Taiwan is Hong Kong?

[@singhatar0912]

Americans generally aren’t too good at geography

[@scottvelez3154]

@@singhatar0912 "over in countries like Suchas and the Iraq, South Africa..."

[@dracocrusher]

If you don't even know where the place is then that should instantly invalidate any opinions you have on what they can even do with their weapons. Sure, let me just casually sail these tanks out onto the Chinese mainland so I can use them offensively, lol. We'll just casually fire these AK's wildly in the air to precision snipe Chinese soldiers across the ocean. You don't understand, those Tiawan soldiers are nuts! They're going to be able to use these grenades offensively directly against China without even leaving the island! People in Hong Kong are just going to glance up and 30 grenades will just fall from the sky and cause mass destruction simultaneously, it's crazy!

[@pmaggs]

"STATE DEPARTMENT LINE!! STATE DEPARTMENT LINE!!! D:

[@canadagoose8543]

Jackson: They have no embassy. Dylan: Yes they do... they have a de facto embassy. Jackson: That's not an embassy. Dylan: It functions as an embassy. Jackson: No it doesn't. Dyland: Name one thing an embassy does that a de facto embassy doesn't do. Jackson: REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[@wtfhah]

an embassy has an ambassador first and foremost

[@canadagoose8543]

@@wtfhah As does the Taiwanese embassy... Sandra Oudkirk.

[@wtfhah]

@Suave Karl Marx Hinkle won

[@wtfhah]

@@canadagoose8543 She's not an ambassador

[@wtfhah]

@Suave Karl Marx Yes, Jackson won

[@paytonkilmer1920]

“Prove that they won’t use the weapons offensively!” In this case, we can actually prove the negative. They won’t use the weapons offensively because they have a vested interest in continuing to exist.

[@seanmac1793]

Especially sense to use these weapons offensively they need naval transport capacity we aren't selling them

[@turbojerko_]

Then why sell it weapons? It's never good to amp up conflict and sell countries weapons. So nope you r wrong

[@seanmac1793]

@@turbojerko_ 1. We secure support in that area 2. We give them the ability to hold out in a potential conflict which increases our strategic options 3. We can make money of it which is always nice but is not the most important part.

[@turbojerko_]

@@seanmac1793 dude its not the point. If china unfairly wages attacks on its territory of taiwan then the world can decide on how to deal with china. Its so bs and just plainly obvious that the usa only does things for its own good. Stop messing with the world stol policing and start acting more diplomatic. Everyone sees through these games and it wont end up good for us.

[@seanmac1793]

@@turbojerko_oh so Taiwan shouldn't have a modern miltary? China should be able to conquer them before the rest of the world can react? Of course the US does things out of self interest it's called forgein policy. For better and for worse the US is the world police and that matters. We can't just not do anti piracy without losing a ton of diplomatic power. Do you want China to be the world police because there is always a world police before us it was the British and as sorrid as our record is I think we have done a better job than the British Empire

[@ninjasheep7492]

Fun historical fact: The political entity of the PRC has never held the island of Taiwan in the country's history. Taiwan was an imperial possession of the Qing Dynasty which ruled China, then Japan invaded and occupied it as an imperial possession, then it was given to the Republic of China after WW2.

[@JosephKerr27]

Yet the PRC continues their unfounded claim. It seems pretty distasteful, too, as it echoes the logic of Israeli claims to Palestinian land based on cultural association rather than legal right. The ROC claim for the mainland feels similarly unfounded.

[@christophergreen6595]

@@JosephKerr27 unfounded, but... in a real realpolitik sense, they can't leave an autonomous state allied with foreign interests to have such a geographical position. At best, I imagine Taiwan could come up with a Guantonamo Bay style compromise in the future.

[@kokorodokoro]

@@JosephKerr27 I don't think that comparison holds 'cause Taiwan and Mainland have a history as a single country, but that country was technically a different one than the one that now inhabits Mainland. So on a legal level it seems reasonable to me too that the country called PRC has no claim over Taiwan (and vice versa). But since PRC and ROC are basically founded by the two factions contending for power over the single territory, it's predictable that each one claims the other.

[@christophergreen6595]

@@waltergrace565 i mean, well... regardless of the 'justice' of the issue, its bad security policy. Similarly with Guantanomo Bay. Leaving aside the awful human rights stuff, most of that is a large naval base for US power projection, 'rented' off the Cubans quite some time ago in a compromise. We were afraid enough of Soviet warships 'in our backyard' and so the Cuban government did a security deal, of sorts. It meant that we stopped trying to overthrow the main island militarily, for the most part, as our security rationale was satisfied. Now its China, a growing economic power, and they have the same concerns about US naval and air bases inside a certain geography. Its rational behavior, like it or not. Again; i am in no way condoning or defending their actions, simply explaining what I believe to be part of their reasoning here.

[@arskakarva7474]

Just to mildly correct (more like expand on the matter) a little bit, Taiwan was not exactly given to ROC after WW2. ROC was put in charge of occupation after Japanese surrendered, and then on their own declared it was a part of China (Japan doesn't care, but it's an important historical detail for the Taiwanese independence movement). It's pretty important to understand that Taiwanese independence movement has always been divergent from mainland politics, and that the period of Japanese colonial rule (and then the 28 Incident and subsequent KMT martial law) did set Taiwan and Taiwanese identity on a part apart from that of the mainland. Taiwan has been separate from China for over a hundred and twenty years now, the situation is such that the PRC's claims are really well beyond even some Sudetenland level of bullshit justifications (and the KMT's claims on the mainland all the more comical if anyone there still takes them seriously).

[@benhamilton7988]

I read Dylan Burns vs Jenson Ackles debate and I was like how the fuck did that happen?

[@kay7538]

😂

[@casperchristiansen2458]

Dylan is a pro-Destiel shipper and that made Jensen mad.

[@calebharris292]

I'd have to side with Jensen no matter what. I'm not gay but Jensen Ackles *is* Jensen Ackles

[@cctomcat321]

Wean Dimchester: Bizarro Dean, is coward, doesn't like pie.

[@namename9194]

"Go ahead! Say it! Say it!" He then proceeds to yell every single time Dylan says anything, to the point where Dylan has to ask for Jackson to stop interrupting

[@JackgarPrime]

Vaush tricked us into watching gameplay footage in this debate

[@TheMuckrakers1900]

Hands down one of the most painful "debates" I have seen in a while. It's difficult to believe Jackson is a leftist and not actually an undercover alt-righter or a fed.

[@naazrael]

He will make his jimmy dore right wing turn, give it time

[@asherif3893]

A fed would support USA empire no.

[@TheMuckrakers1900]

@@asherif3893 No, undercover federal agents sow discord amongst their targets. Feds wouldn't be so blatant as to try and get people to support the USA, instead they just would (and have) sow chaos in our ranks. Jackson, whether or not he's a fed, is sowing discord and chaos amongst the left. It might not be much but he is.

[@louie3216]

He’s right wing for China, Russia and Syria

[@dildonius]

He is not a leftist.

[@Alphamangs]

Wait til this guy finds out that Taiwan using these weapons offensively hasn't happened yet and is thus a hypothetical.

[@pivs]

Didn't he say "you're towing the state department line by saying taiwan is another country" and then said "The US doesn't call taiwan a country"

[@avalus6]

It's almost like he'll say what ever in the moment that supports his point of view even if it is completely contradictory to what he has all ready said.

[@FatalBurnz]

Damn how does Vaush split his attention between the debate, the game and chat so well?

[@velrinshadow]

I'm the same way. I watch stuff while playing video games. Probably related to ADHD.

[@littlebigphil]

Practice.

[@canadagoose8543]

He's been drinking Aldin Juice.

[@zacharypegg7051]

Adderall is a hell of a med lol

[@rude2228]

Fuckin' Adderall man. Theres a reason its considered a performance enhancing drug in E Sports

[@dusundavarfreohr3491]

1:37:47 - "He was opening a window to let the hyperthetical out" This is it, guys. The epitome of humour. We peaked. JFC. I laughed so hard my eyes welled up.

[@brianj.4890]

Dude has one mode, head empty angry.

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

2:15 Dude just puts his clout chasing strategy in the open. And the crybullying right off the bat is pathetic.

[@LimeyLassen]

I love how when Dylan mutes the guy and says "I'm muting you" 1:54:15 you can see that he's still talking. He's physically incapable of waiting and listening, it's like a reflex.

[@LeeHutchy26]

For people who don't know: for a country to be "officially" recognised as one i.e. a member of the UN, they require the UN security council to vote to confirm them as a member by a majority as well as having all 5 of the permanent members of the security council (USA, France, UK, Russia and China) to vote in favour so regardless of whether America recognises Taiwan as a country in an "official" manner doesn't matter because China will never be in favour of it. So Jackson's triade on America offically recognising Taiwan is irrelevant because it doesn't matter what America does in this regard it matters what the security council as whole does together.

[@tuntejaable]

Exactly so it will never be a country. It will always be part of China. Maybe US should just accept it.

[@LeeHutchy26]

@@tuntejaable By that logic the nations of the world that do recognise Palestine as a country independant of Israel should just accept Palestine will never be a country because America is never going to accept it, or any other autnomious region which doesn't have the full support of the security council. Why should the world turn its back on states without "official recognition".

[@tuntejaable]

@@LeeHutchy26 It's sad maybe you should lobby the US government to accepting them. That doesn't change th fact that Taiwan is not a country. Never was and never will.

[@LeeHutchy26]

@@tuntejaable If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck its probably a duck you could try calling it something else but will still be a duck. You have to substantiate your point beyond simply saying it is not a country or never will be a country otherwise its just empty words.

[@tuntejaable]

@@LeeHutchy26 it actually doesn't sound or look anything like a duck. It's just a random bird and you are saying since it's a bird it basically is a duck.

[@VAL9THOU]

He has such an amazing ability to not hear any questions he doesn't want to answer

[@WolvesHart79]

I watched the debate on Dylan's channel and this Jackson kid didn't engage with the subject...he was successful in taking advantage of Dylan's good faith engagement and derailing the conversation away from the subject completely. This kid is a Jersey Shore wannabe trying to grift his way to fame with badfaith debate bro meta.

[@midwestplantgeeks8643]

Most of these types are that way. Left leaning folks have to realize you can not reason with them. Unless you have mad skills at debate better to get them into a rage and mock them.

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

Couldn't have said it better myself How pathetic and bad faith do you have to be to call other people imperialists while also justifying the might makes right argument and refusing to engage when people call you out on doing that. Absolutely sad.

[@jacencade4019]

But even for fringe group ideologues he is DENSE.

[@fotnite_]

The consistent effort to misspell Jacob's name every time is perfect

[@elS23243]

Joseph Hinkleberg

[@Kaidona]

@@elS23243 Hacksle Jinkleson

[@danboi9841]

You guys are mean to Jarvis c'mon

[@verager2493]

You mean Jeremy Crinkles?

[@deanmoriarty6015]

Jimmy Hinkletron

[@BastionsRandomChill]

I literally can't finish this video because Ankles is Tokyo drifting around every point they're discussing.

[@Alex_Vir]

*gas gas gas, I'm gonna step on the gas tonight*

[@thomasmackelly7685]

ankles lol

[@questionablelifechoices7501]

@@Alex_Vir gas lmao

[@Dyljim]

"Are you willing to concede that you're an expert" literally 5 minutes in and this debate is whack

[@kylebernadyn2465]

I don’t know why this debate went any further beyond Hinkle’s confession that he doesn’t support democracy. He didn’t bite the bullet, he slammed his molars into infinitesimally small pieces around a shotgun slug.

[@raz802]

Timestamp?

[@kylebernadyn2465]

@@raz802 I think it was really early on when they were debating Taiwan’s independence and what method that independent should be established through, maybe around 20 minutes in? I tried nailing it down but couldn’t.

[@pikapowns]

​@@raz802 It's been a year but it's 4 a.m. and I'm here to help. 58:40 is when Dylan explicitly asked if he would support a referendum vote by the people.

[@raz802]

@@pikapowns Thank you. It's 8am, and I live on night shift. (So my 11pm) Thanks for your aid. You are appreciated.

[@sandshark2]

“If it walks like a duck, and if it talks like a duck, it still has to tell me it’s a duck or else I don’t think it’s a duck”

[@salokin3087]

I gave some advice to Dylan after this, most of the issues he faced was seemingly not pushing back on Jackson's claims and contradictions. For example; Jackson says he won't engage in hypotheticals, yet asserts that the weapons to Taiwan may be used for offensive/aggressive purposes and when he claimed that Israel "lost" in the recent fighting in Gaza, Dylan didn't push back and ask how israel lost.

[@hornpilepheonix6254]

i had to stop watching this halfway through on Dylan's channel because i couldn't stand listening to the screaming toddler

[@freedomofmusic2112]

I feel your pain, I was so upset my hands were shaking. The Vaush reaction is so much better because you get brief pauses from Joofson Tinkle's insufferability

[@uglywaifu5770]

The man-toddler constantly mad and screaming reminded me why I don’t want kids. Jackson made me actually uncomfortable and anxious from how cringe he is.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

Hey that's offensive! How dare you think that toddlers are as disgusting as this guy?? /s

[@richardarriaga6271]

​​@@7PlayingWithFire7 Unironically, I think toddlers are better than Jackson

[@scottfromspace]

I'm from New Zealand and our country is basically militarily dependant on our allies Just found out New Zealand isn't a country

[@KingZeroMaverick]

It's just an island, bro.

[@harpomarxist4185]

@@KingZeroMavericksomething something South Australian Sea

[@deviouskris3012]

Far eastern Australia.

[@kyoungt14]

Gotta love it when a man who’s literally advocating for imperialism in this debate, could start off by comparing Burns to Kissinger. The irony is just too much

[@arvo_septus]

This debate was so sad and so entertaining at the same time. Ankles is such a delusional liar.

[@Darkersneasel]

Him: "I don't do hypotheticals" Also: "what if they use the weapons to launch an offensive against China?"

[@hughquigley5337]

That thumbnail is even funnier because Dylan Burns has a jawline hand sculpted by the gods lmao

[@gilly_axolotl]

His jawline will save humanity

[@chucku00]

Tree of Logic nickname comes to mind...

[@ravermader7035]

Minecraft Steve chin

[@verager2493]

When people say they can't engage in hypotheticals, they're saying they can't think.

[@TheRealZeke2003]

"Just open the windows bro, chlorine gas won't get you"

[@stoneman472]

Hinkle: I proved you wrong!! Dylan: No. You gotta show that we gave them offensive arms. Vaush: *P I N E A P P L E ! !*

[@isaac-ne4ox]

Practically speak all arms are offensive arms. Just fyi.

[@wtfhah]

as long as we CALL them "defensive", they're not offensive armaments LOL sounds like US empire wants to wash its own hands

[@isaac-ne4ox]

@@wtfhah it's such a weird point dude.

[@thelonelyphish]

@@isaac-ne4ox how we classify defensive and offensive arms is based on the intention behind their use, there's no way Taiwan would think of using offensive weapons against China, one of the 3 largest militaries in the world, especially when China is already banging the war drum and threatening invasion of Taiwan. Since they won't use these weapons in a preemptive strike against China then they're defensive in nature.

[@verager2493]

@@wtfhah Damn, good thing China can't hear how weak you think they are. Nationalists really are pathetic

[@QuntingToothache]

This guy has alt-right written all over him. The levels of bad faith and posturing is beyond cringe.

[@linzlsleepy1627]

He literally doesn’t think Taiwan is an independent country so I don’t know how he could possibly be on the left 🤷‍♀️

[@negkoray]

I grew up in Haiti and drove by the Taiwan embassy every day on my way to school...

[@wtfhah]

Haiti is a puppet state of the US

[@soltier8965]

@@wtfhah Your moms a puppet state 😩🤌

[@EkkieEkk]

@@wtfhah damn I guess that means the us considers Taiwan a country and has an embassy with it

[@wtfhah]

@@EkkieEkk US does not consider Taiwan a country and does not have an embassy there

[@EkkieEkk]

@@wtfhah so haiti isn't a puppet state then?

[@SS-xr7jf]

He doesn’t engage with hypotheticals but will engage with the hypothetical of Taiwan attacking China?

[@dinodare1605]

You took this off of Vaush Pit WHILE I was watching it and I was super confused. Good to see that you were just publishing it to your main channel.

[@Ruby-Doc]

Same xD

[@serpenking]

I was in the middle of watching this, left to take a shower, and came back to find the video gone😭

[@macaron3141592653]

Jacksons point at 54:50 made me stop everything I was doing and Gasp. This was such an unbelievably stupid point. Morales was overthrown via military coup while he was still popular. In Taiwan, most people recognize Taiwan as independent. These are completely opposite situations. How many brain worms does Hinkle need to spit these words out? My holy god.

[@truckerdave8465]

Well. I’m officially old. I was like wtf is this kid doing as a foreign policy advisor. He’s grown. Someone fetch granny’s walker please.

[@spiderdoctor2269]

The Watcher: What If there was an alternate timeline where Agent Carter received the Super Soldier Serum? Jackson: B-BUT STEVE ROGERS RECIEVED THE SUPER SOLDIER SERUM! I SAW IT IN CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER, THE AMERICAN SUPERHERO FILM FROM 2011! ARE YOU IMPLYING I'M AN IDIOT, UATU? I NEVER CLAIMED PEGGY RECIEVED THE SUPER SOLDIER SERUM The Watcher: N-no, I just... Jackson: Hahaha, you won't even stick to your principles of documentation! I won! I won!

[@lostboy2056]

As soon as he started talking to Dylan I immediately started feeling brain rot setting in

[@ASolidSnack]

I was dying laughing during this, just absolutely amazing.

[@DylanBurnsTV]

Dylan got wrecked

[@randombloke165]

That’s what you get for calling him babe 😤

[@heheheiamasuperstarcatgirl8485]

he literally doesn't understand the idea of self determination lmao how dare he call himself a leftist tbh

[@BlondeEyes7]

Dylan totally called him “babe” in the beginning and it did a beautiful job of provoking that fragile masculinity. *chef’s kiss*

[@beancheesedip8337]

I'm pretty sure he said debate but leaned away from the mic at the last bit and it only picked up "-bate." Regardless, it was very funny.

[@rinyald_music]

I hate the fake outrage so fucking much. It hurts to hear him do the “God!” 5 mins in.

[@BlurredUniverse357]

Literally listening to this on a bus while taking a nap. This guy sounds just like Mike from PA. Like... his accent and everything.

[@welcometosociety3399]

Dylan burns head is a cube: all sides have equal dimensions, the plane angles are right angles, each of the faces meet the other four faces, each of the vertices meet the three faces and three edges, and the edges opposite to each other are freaking parallel!!! 🧊

[@mangomane420]

☠️☠️☠️

[@fatshibaballs]

Dylan is a beautiful thwomp

[@thefatherinthecave943]

Mfs told Dylan be straight or be square and look at him now

[@johngr1747]

I'm not good at math so idk wtf

[@lifelessexpression7670]

Omg im dying

[@rogerstroklund6809]

What about the Bay of Pigs? Cuba was only able to defend against US backed invasion forces because of intelligence and military support of the USSR. Does that mean that Cuba didn't have a right to exist due to their reliance on Soviet support? That's not hypothetical; that shit happened.

[@dantealighieri8403]

I love Dylan, but man he needs to grow a spine. The moment he got to his Cuba hypothetical and Jackson said 'I don't deal with hypothetical, only facts" after having forced Dylan through all the hypothetical hoops of Israel having no right to exist because of outside help AND having to prove Taiwan wouldn't use the weapons for aggressive purposes: that should have been an immediate kick from the call. That and combined with the childish insults, the Alpha bro posturing, the constant lying, the bad faith interpretations of Dylan's points, and the incesent talking over to stall Dylan from talking shows Jackson wasn't here to debate; he was here to force Dylan into silent submission to claim 'The W' and siphon Dylan's viewers for his failed channel I hope other content creators learn from this and Vaush's experience that Jackson isn't worth platforming for views

[@marciamakesmusic]

Dylan Burns literally goes to maga rallies and interviews the psychos lol, I think the one who needs a spine is the person typing KZbin comments

[@Rensoku611]

Shit, I didnt notice that. He refuses to engage with Dylan's hypotheticals but constantly presented his own

[@dogwater5499]

@@Rensoku611 Vaush was trying to get Jackson to go along with his hypotheticals so it's pretty consistent.

[@dantealighieri8403]

@@marciamakesmusic ok babe

[@AwkwardPain]

unfortunately I agree that there is nothing good to come from this... really don't understand why people like jamie tankle are given the time. All it does is give them more clout to those who didn't watch each debate. Let them cry from the rooftops that no one will 'debate' them... This is not a debate... there is no actual argument from tinkle at all, just whatever he decides to spew at that moment.

[@veganrican606]

Jackson is extremely punchable.

[@deathdealer312]

Jaxie Cankle literally right after this debate after literally defending the concept of might makes right subjugation: "Defeating imperialists one at a time!"

[@overthemoo]

A little over a year ago, I watched some of Jackson’s live streams. He was just a chill “himbo” who supported the progressive Dems. I liked the back and forth he had with chat. One day I got in a small disagreement with him about the “get out the vote” stream Hasan did with AOC, Ilhan Omar, etc. Jackson was just being unreasonably non-supportive about it - claiming Hasan did it merely for clout. His reaction was a non issue but it gave me pause, you know? Not too long after, he was pushing for Tulsi Gabbard, even after her transphobic bullshit, so I stopped watching his content. It’s kinda wild seeing him like this. His personality is significantly different. If I wasn’t busy with coursework, I’d probably do a deeper dive into his journey - why he is where he is.

[@ErasMcras]

Dude this guy really loves West Taiwan, i bet the west taiwanese government pays him

[@biggusdickus6537]

West Taiwan 💀😂

[@noahramsey]

11:50 YES!! Someone needed to say this! tankies and nazis will always discard inconvenient information by calling it Jewish or State dept. Glad you pointed this out

[@TheStraightGod]

Are you new here?

[@the_beast_and_the_sovereign]

Re: the defensive/offensive weapons question, defensive weapons would be things like anti-air missiles, stationary turrets, etc. Things you can't generally use as part of a forward movement and aren't long range.

[@Fluttersniper]

Jackson really loved the US State Department in this debate. ❤️

[@SoSoKayla]

The "if you can't defend your country, you don't deserve to have it" logic is exactly the same as saying "if you can't defend your bodily autonomy, you don't deserve to have it." What a goblin.

[@vl8584]

Which is why it makes sense for countries that can't defend themselves to become a part of a larger country that's willing to defend it. Hence countries like Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan can becomes states of USA like Alaska and Hawaii, rather than remain independent

[@TheStraightGod]

@@vl8584 Those three countries have no such desires. They want to be sovereign and govern themselves exclusively.

[@shouldbetwerking4074]

Fucking hell. What was that?! Richard Spencer's younger brother made me giggle tho 😂

[@danielwang7793]

You know it's going to be entertaining when someone begins to implode before the debate even started.

[@stevenbeshel7369]

Stinkle makes mike from pa seem like a normal well adjusted individual.

[@TeiwazTheGoat]

“Countries that can’t support themselves without other countries shouldn’t be countries!” So… like the US in the revolutionary war? Without support of France we literally wouldn’t have been able to win against Britain.

[@corvusclones]

by his logic, if you called him a nazi, then the US has an embassy in Taiwan

[@TheThingInMySink]

''BUBUH IT'S NOT AN EMBASSY'' ''Name one thing they don't do that other embassies do'' ''BUBUH IT'S NOT AN EMBASSY'' How can anyone argue with this flawless logic?

[@breadofjustice3584]

Im glad this showed back up! Also i really think dissecting debates for their rhetoric really helps me not only understand the arguments people make but also helps me refine my own arguments

[@starkravingmad31]

Surprised Dylan didn't bring up Hawaii. The US went up to a sovereign nation, said "cool island, you're ours now". The native population went "uh, no?" and the US responded, "oh, you want to fight our battleships then?" The international community did shit, and now a former nation is now a state of the Imperialist US.

[@viewerchicken730]

I was half expecting any moment he would start screaming "heil Tucker, heil Jimmy, heil victory!"

[@wtfhah]

where has Jackson ever expressed support for Tucker?

[@tally.klecko]

Vaush playing Super Mario Sunshine and watching a debate is beyond the ultimate fix I can't even explain.

[@tally.klecko]

I guess I'm an autist.

[@anearthangel]

@@tally.kleckoWelcome to being a Vaush fan

[@justphrank361]

I started my 10 hours shift listening to the Assad chemical weapons debate,my pure coincidence I'm ending it on this one