Destiny Makes Centrist Vivek Fan Question Vivek Mid Debate!

[@destiny]

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[@wafflehouse6650]

I hate people like this who water down facts and just openly speak on shit they have actually zero education on. Basically all the centrist conservative pseudo intellectuals

[@madgodloki]

Destiny for future reference, if you didn't call it out here, check to see how many of the under 18 mastectomies are done on straight cis male teens. Considered gender reaffirming because boys don't want breasts. Wonder what they'll think when they realize they're fighting against boys cutting their breasts off.

[@gsurtos6588]

the thing the irks the most about destiny is that he will not hold democrat politcians to this same level of scrutiny. whether it was joe biden or kamala harrris. destiny anaylsis of vivek and his fault are not a one off in US politics and government. If anything this is the norm among all three branches of government, on both side of the parties. Every politician is playing this "game". Like in this video where destiny deep dives into a video clip of vivek on the DOE. Whether intentional that vivek omitted facts or unintentional because he didnt know all the facts. these types of mistakes or intentional omission is daily politics. not every politcian will know everything at the EXACT fookin moment. and nor will a politician play against their own "win conditon" to push THEIR AGENDA. You can do the same thing with biden, kamala, jen psaki, etc. i can dissect a video clip of them saying something that is clearly not possible or reasonable among how the GOVERNMENT SHOULD work. but in reality, the government doesnt operate on theory, it operates on: action, lobbying, fundraiser, etc. Even destiny is prone to the same pitfall and blindspots as vivek. the difference is that unlike vivek that has to provide some sort of solution and running for office; destiny has the luxury of being a critic that doesnt need to provide a solution, the luxury of able to have all the time in the world rather than on the spot to come up with an argument and to dissect an argument. He is comparing a clip of vivek from a year ago, and the this destiny video using the clip as a circumstantial way to justify that yeh "vivek is a psychopath". Which in my opinion is also just as disnegneous as vivek maybe intentionally omitting facts. anyone can do the same thing to vivek as to destiny. there is more than unhinged "psychopath" takes of destiny unintentionally omitted facts cuz he cant know everything or intentionally omitted facts because it would weaken his argument which of course you would do in any debate or podcast to "validate" what ur saying. anyone can rewind destiny clips and comes to the conclusion that destiny is a "coked out psychopath". at the end of the day, i think its ironic that destiny is somehow the centrist middle everyday american when destiny and vivek are more closer to each other as high functioning psychopath than they are of the average chattter/american normie. all of you watching destiny should be looking at destiny as one avenue of resource rather than some sort of all around arbiter of information. destiny has just as many faults and flaws as everyone on this political commentary space.

[@johnnytaylor5398]

My daughter started her monthly at 6.5 yrs old. we put her on puberty blockers to stop that issue. Idk the issue here.

[@MuscleBound_withDre]

18:15 “correct me if I’m wrong…” *destiny spending 2 hours correcting him”

[@aSSGoblin1488]

DEstiny recognizes this as a futile effort yet he does it anyway. one misinformation bucket keeps popping up one after another, and it takes effort to shoot down each one. he is still playing the other person's game. so what is the solution? make up your own ridicoulous lies about the other

[@ByteBard-fg1tk]

Kind of. Destiny seems to have completely missed the "or readily capable of" part of the law, so there was a lot of time spent on inaccurate arguments from Destiny based on not noticing that. Baseball bats are absolutely "readily capable of" killing someone or causing serious injury.

[@chris.pbacon440]

Seriously these centrists have Stockholm Syndrome.

[@Letsgettouchy]

@@ByteBard-fg1tkyou could easily accidentally kill someone with a bow, you could not easily accidentally kill someone with a baseball bat. Hope this helps 🧚🏻‍♂️🧚🏻‍♂️

[@ronishamay]

fact based vs vibe based

[@chubbycheeks75]

You voted for Kamala 😂

[@JijonJang]

Sad but so true

[@chrisj320ac3]

@chubbycheeks75 And you're a bot, troll or willfully ignorant, none of which are good.

[@Nathan-dt2tu]

@@chrisj320ac3 It's a fair criticism. Destiny is well researched and appears to argue from a fact-based platform, but he often ignores valid counterpoints to his own stance. Neither of the people in this video are fact based, they're both vibe based. Chubbyckeeks is pointing out that ronishamay can't think for themselves. Those who can't think voted for the party which is accelerating America's demise.

[@rhettlee]

Sad tbh

[@Cratisthense]

"I can tell when trump is lying" yup it's when his mouth moves good job buddy

[@domm5715]

ya , right? but also unless he was saying that trump was lying last cycle before he tried to steal the election, then its all just hubris. hindsight is 20/20, like i know tons of ppl who didnt believe what trump was saying , when he was calling the georgia ppl to get him votes. and the didnt think he was trying to steal the election. now 5 yrs later, they say, oh he easy to see thru. well then why didnt you see thru him then?

[@SmileySaidIt]

😂😂😂

[@smoothmovenyc7992]

nah, he exaggerates, so the opposition uses those exaggerations to frame it as if he's lying

[@MigraineBuddy420]

He lies and exaggerates​@@smoothmovenyc7992

[@YeoVault]

@@smoothmovenyc7992 so so lost

[@edoardoelvetico484]

Just as a reminder these are the same people that call others NPC’s

[@herpderp719]

A NPC to me is nothing political, its a person who has no inner monologue and no ability to picture something in their head. No one on earth will be able to convince me that people like this are real. No way there walking around with a clear mind what kind of human experience is that. 90% of the things that i say are in my head. I'm constantly on some other world doing fantastical things in my head, how do people live without that escape. They don't they aren't real people they are NPC's.

[@acason4]

Facts.

[@onigengu7846]

We're going to see a phase of people realizing they have no idea how to process and judge info for themselves. Idk whatll come from it, but the vast invasion of believing misinformation is gonna be exposed in these next couple of years.

[@RemOmni]

Insults are not meant to describe they are meant to dismiss other points of view.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Shame to say that I used to be like that before 2022 aka before I started to stop defending Trump and finally seeing the mirage fall

[@PilsnerGrip]

It's so funny how every "centrist" is like 95% conservative and 5% liberal. "Well that's just because conservative world view matches to reality more! My methodology for assessing that you ask? Well it's vibes of course! Also the most important thing is to be a good person! Donald Trump you ask? Well he's not that bad! So as you can see I'm a great judge of who's a good person ;)"

[@Jona1han]

What is a woman?

[@neurotika]

@@Jona1han says the derp who doesn’t understand the difference between the economy and inflation, an insurrection vs a peaceful protest, what abortions are, what a legitimate study looks like, how vaccines work, you don’t don’t know what fascism is, tariffs are and pretty much anything you’ve ever feigned outrage over ever.

[@tdh7865]

​@@Jona1hanWhat is someone born intersex? Hahahahaha.

[@axps4964]

​​@@Jona1hanmade up category that includes lots of weird social obligation and behavioral characteristics and almost always assigned to people that were born with female genetalia. It is mostly a social thing. I think contains positive, beneficial characteristics but also some damaging ones where individuals that are assigned to the gender called woman tend to experience some setback in society.

[@rrrrr.55555]

​@@Jona1han your mom

[@MisterS.]

Him arguing endlessly that "erm, actually, you can kill someone with a bat, so how do you distinguish it with a bow?" in order to never admit that Vivek lied to him was painful

[@MisterS.]

But I loved Destiny explaining branches of government right after

[@TheJohnnyfresno]

He was clearly tying himself in knots trying to defend Ramaswamy. Destiny could have ended the argument a lot sooner by simply comparing a bow and arrow to a gun, which is way more analogous than a baseball bat. We shoot targets with guns. Does that make a gun less dangerous? A gun was literally developed to kill things. You know what else was developed to kill things? A bow. Destiny also missed another chance when he brought up skeet shooting as an example where shooting is sport and not for the purposes of killing things. You know what the other name for “skeet” is…..clay pigeons.

[@botchedoperations3485]

It’s all a smokescreen at the end. “No more woke stuff on schools” -some states are removing black history month and books about how slavery was bad “No more woke stuff in media” -interracial relationships are often attacked The reform racist movement

[@Meeces55]

​@@TheJohnnyfresnowhy not have blunted arrows then? You don't have to ban it completely

[@dameatmane]

⁠@@Meeces55 Bow training with blunted arrows or gun training with blanks is still “training to use a dangerous weapon”regardless of how safe the training equipment is. The issue isn’t that the training is potentially dangerous it’s that you’re teaching kids to use weapons. But I wonder if that applies to fencing or javelin toss as well.

[@turoturothegreat]

Honda salesman: Tells a blatant lie about Ford. Centrist: "I'm not really certain if he's being malicious, I don't have a mind reading device."

[@jddonov]

"And I can always tell if someone is lying to me."

[@PhrozenPhilosophy]

This ties closely to the trans issue too. Imagine if Ford, or any company, ran an attack ad against their competitor, and everyone just accepted it at face value as the truth about what that competitor stands for. That’s essentially what’s happening politically-Republicans frame the narrative, and Democrats often fail to counter it effectively, letting the attack define the conversation.

[@turoturothegreat]

@@PhrozenPhilosophy Which expands to all of the "woke" issues. Leftist: I'd like to enshrine some basic liberties for folks that are a little different. Rightoid: You want all SWMs to die?!?!

[@Plu7ology]

“He sells a damn good car tho so I believe him ”

[@puppergump4117]

@@PhrozenPhilosophy *cracks knuckles* I'd be happy to hear an example because I can make a list of ones I've found of leftist media outright lying, fabricating evidence, and otherwise being misleading throughout the last 8 years specifically to target Trump and other republicans. Ah, this includes government figures as well.

[@dillanklapp]

PF Jung: Yes Destiny that was some good factual information you provided, but have you considered the vibe? After consulting my intuitions it seems you are wrong.

[@Itzarzky]

“yea I agree with pretty much everything, and everything I’ve disagreed with was purely feelings, and I had no evidence to back it up, but you’re wrong, destiny.”

[@rrrrr.55555]

​@@Itzarzkybased

[@MichealScotch]

"My vibes are evidence"

[@rrrrr.55555]

@@MichealScotch we need to fact don't care about your feelings this mf

[@-47-]

I too read this comment on the original upload

[@MrReynsupreme]

✨ ENLIGHTENED CENTRISM✨ = Standing proudly in the center...between the right and the far-right ☺️

[@DoubleO88]

Then stop fucking moving so far to the left and we might be able to stay firmly in the center, hell even the center left might look good.

[@Itzarzky]

@@DoubleO88the left never really went anywhere, the right has gone insane, and moved way too right wing to the point where reps and conservatives are legitimately the bad guys, and without being able to call it out, having 0 social repercussion, or any type of pushback, it appears that the left has gone more left especially to a fake centrist such as yourself.

[@Shoderra]

@@DoubleO88 brother the center/moderate left has 0 presence online despite it probably being 80% of dem politicians and most of the power in the democrat party You've been fooled to think the democrat lawmakers and politicians are 6 miles left of where they actually stand

[@solarblitz4524]

​@@DoubleO88The mainstream dems aren't as far left as mainstream conservatives are far right

[@jdjenk04]

@@DoubleO88 As a firm center left/liberal person, “centrists” are a funny group. It’s not that things have gone “too far left” it’s that centrists, for the sake of being impartial, have forced themselves to sanity wash insane shit. Like you have to be a really stupid democracy loving centrists to defend and vote for Trump who calls the media the enemy of the people in 2024 and has said he will use the US military to deport people in 2024. Centrists will sanity wash this and then point out that Kamala in 2019 said once that trans prisoners might need trans healthcare and that both sides are equally crazy here. Then centrists will blame the left for being “too far left” while Trump loads up his cabinet nominees with some pretty far right people that want to completely destroy the federal government because of personal vendettas.

[@RanEncounter]

Did he seriously say that his intuition and feelings should go above facts?

[@rohitaug]

Honestly, I think the average person should be more vibes based. Trump and the republicans give off really bad vibes based on how they talk about issues but people bend over backwards to come up with alternative facts to justify voting for them. Looking at a politician's character and whether they are trying to do the right thing should be the most important imo.

[@RanEncounter]

@rohitaug The literal opposite should be the case. Your vibe based description lead to Trump. We should look at the facts and actions of these politicians.

[@Jimbo5900]

@@rohitaugbut the reason they bend over backwards to defend them is because they are just trying to justify their vibes based decisions

[@TheJoukai]

@@rohitaug It's not "vibes" based, it's "lies" based. The only reason anyone has good vibes about republicans is because they believe lies.

[@WanderTheNomad]

​@@rohitaugI think the average person *_is_* more vibes based, but I don't think the average person _should_ be more vibes based.

[@nicememes7570]

That Vivek clip was a masterclass on why we should fact check. People who watched that Vivek interview would have left thinking that Dept of Education has a flat ban on archery, when in reality they already have amended it to allow archery. Unreal.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

“bUt A bOw iSn’T a wEaPoN!” 🥴

[@swordyshield]

@@garythecyclingnerd6219 when he started waffling about how target training is not training to harm people because training to use a baseball bat isn't used to harm people despite baseball bats can be used to kill people I wanted to shoot myself. IT'S "TARGET" practice, you are practising shooting at a TARGET. Yes it's just for sport but it's so blatantly obvious that when you hit a ball with a baseball bat you aren't practising hitting people with the baseball bat, yet when you shoot a target you ARE training to shoot at something with a weapon

[@itsmeben604]

I voted for Trump the first 2 times, but Destiny smartened me up since I started watching him after his Lex interview. I consider myself a centrist now. When I watched that interview, I thought Vivek did great. This debate shows me how wrong I was and reminds me that with all of my responsibilities in life and the pace of BS coming across the wire, I am 100% susceptible to falling for these charlatans. And I'm one of the most informed people in my social circle... It scares me how easy it is to fall for the grift on either side. I don't agree with Destiny on everything because some of my principles are different, but I'm very thankful for him and his thoughtfulness. I'm sure I'm not the only person he has kept from going over the edge into full maga.

[@ramikpark8387]

​​@@garythecyclingnerd6219it isnt. It's obviously somethjng people do to show respect

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

@@ramikpark8387 No, it is, you're a pedantic fool. What were bows made for? To kill things. What were guns made for? To kill things. Pretending otherwise makes you look like a childish fool. Archery in gym is nonetheless fun and a great activity I hope kids continue to enjoy. However, the DOE was responding precisely to the how the law was written.

[@brasstacks1991]

Cementing Vivek in modern politics is one of the worst things to come from this election cycle.

[@Lord_Ivoundy_Creood]

Genuinely asking, why? Pls explain

[@shappy60]

@@Lord_Ivoundy_CreoodHe’s the most snake oil salesman type of politician I can imagine

[@danielsurvivor1372]

​@@Lord_Ivoundy_Creood Check out Vivek section of this video, I think Destiny and Jung analysis Vivek halfway through the video or near the end. Basically he points out how blatantly Vivek lies to push an agenda(aka he said DOE flat banned funding for schools with archery when that's not even true they amended it and allowed it and two, using one example as proof that entire department should be cut is wild)

[@ericgardner5548]

I would argue Elon is worse..

[@whippinsaw]

Elon and vivek are the snake oil

[@Henrik_Holst]

Since a study was requested: "Gender-Affirming Mastectomy Trends and Surgical Outcomes in Adolescents" which have this conclusion: Between 2013-2020, we observed a marked increase in gender-affirming mastectomies in adolescents. The prevalence of surgical complications was low and of over 200 adolescents who underwent surgery, only two expressed regret, neither of which underwent a reversal operation.

[@superbeast66354]

But what were the ages? Adolescence includes 18-19 year olds

[@Extracredittttt]

There are so many studies on the efficacy of transitioning at various ages or of using puberty blockers etc - and they all almost unambiguously show absolute slam dunk numbers in favor of these procedures being valid medical practices People just have strong feelings about it and think it should supersede data

[@Extracredittttt]

​@@superbeast66354they gave the name of the study. Look it up if you want to be skeptical

[@etasjo]

​@@Extracreditttttpeople dont want their children to be trans because they still view it as being a disgusting freak

[@Henrik_Holst]

@@superbeast66354 in this study they where 12-17 with a median age of 16

[@hhumca]

The problem is all these people getting educated by Schulz, Rogan, etc., people who do not have the capability to question their guests in their bs. Thus, after thousands listen to them, many believe the bs.

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

To be fair Jung definitely doenst strike me as someone educated by Shulz and Rogan

[@colbybell5378]

@@Collabcreatemarketingreally? He uses the exact same trans studies and endlessly dick sucked Vivek when he was clearly in the wrong. Hell he thinks it’s good to dismantle the department of education!

[@rrrrr.55555]

In one part of the video he mentions how he trusts one guy he got information from because they appeared on Joe Rogan. Go to the transcript and search the word "Rogan" and it should appear among the results.

[@studiooriginals]

We need to study this guy. He's like the exact average media consumer

[@alexd4566]

He really is. Knows about some things that are going on, but has no clear thought process behind why he feels one way or the other about them. People like him are easily persuaded by rhetoric since they don’t care enough to check the facts. It explains why he “vibes” with Vivek and Candace.

[@camdenwyeth316]

Holy crap you are not right

[@polydox1997]

Him struggling to understand that the DoE just took the most conservative interpretation of the law is infuriating. They took the law as it was written and instead of trying to assume congress' intentions. Then they let everyone know what that would practically mean which sends a clear message to congress to be a little more specific. So congress fixed it.

[@Bartokomous]

Yeah I think Destiny took the completely wrong approach on the baseball bat thing. The baseball bat was a prime example on them not going too far and banning baseball, field hockey, etc. with bad faith interpretation.

[@DaniDaWolf]

@@Bartokomousbecause they are not considered weapons as specified under the subsection of the law. Destiny read it and it would include bow and arrow and knives after a certain sizes. That’s why the congress had to amend because under the written law both long kitchen knives and bows are banned

[@bumblwfuck4311]

Yeah it’s a little annoying that Destiny didn’t say, The DoE did not overreach, Congress wrote a shitty law and had to fix it.

[@bumblwfuck4311]

Yeah Destiny should have aimed more at Congress wrote a bad law, not that DoE had a bad interpretation.

[@brumalh5548]

he couldn't admit vicek was wrong becase he's a conservative dick suck parading as a centrist. no other interpretation makes sense. destiny laid it out to him Over and over

[@aono335]

This was a masterclass in debating and dog walking your opponent in discovering the truth for themselves. The way Destiny broke Vivek’s disingenuous remarks about The DOE down and showed Jung why he is championing the wrong guy was honestly amazing to watch. He basically made Jung concede that it’s all “Vibes based” and not necessarily even on the foundation of truth but just something that feels comfy even if it is all lies. I despise this type of centrist thinking. They just want a daddy to tell them things they already feel to be right. Good stuff Steven!

[@SunIsLost]

Yep

[@smakidi]

He is not a centrist, he is masquerading as a centrist.

[@AspiringDevil]

Particularly satisfying for me because I actually unsubed from him over that. Not because we disagree but that he kept defending & championing Vivek without ever seeming to listen to or scrutinize what he said.

[@aono335]

@ Trump derangement syndrome

[@DudeMcCree]

I bet that's not how jung sees it, he sees it as getting tricked, getting debate brod, "I wasn't ready for a debate I just wanted to discuss ideas" etc. He did say a few things like that in the convo like "you're in debate mode and I don't like that" "you already decided you don't like vivek"

[@yasseford]

"I'm much more vibe based" --the reason why we are fucked.

[@sunnyta1990]

PF saying that the executive should be fast and efficient is basically advocating for a dictatorship

[@Meeces55]

You say that like the Democrats haven't spent the past 2 campaigns trying to make people not vibe with Republicans. Vibes definitely matter. If somebody rubs you the wrong way 99% of the time they're on your screen why the fuck would you ever want to vote for them?

[@ivansmirnoff6987]

I want to like PF Jung, but he makes it very difficult with how much he chooses to align himself with the right just to spite the left, which, as a true centrist, is not very centrist.

[@tornadre]

Yes his personality/attitude is approachable and chill. Makes him that much more dangerous to listen to for normies because he checks his brain at the door

[@the99mistakes]

“True centrist”

[@TheBadGab]

He needs to invite him more. This man CAN be bullied into becoming a democrat. Just let Destiny cook

[@Extracredittttt]

The one true centrist. I have been searching for you for years, brother

[@VerdeDrums]

“He chooses to align himself with the right just to spite the left” - destiny fan lmaooo

[@Sid00077]

"I like this Destiny dude" to "Destiny is a girl's name"

[@factjuniorroll]

Naturally

[@mukkaar]

It's true.

[@PTClipsYT]

Nobody really likes Destiny, come on

[@yolkthosenuts]

@@PTClipsYT 859k subs keep coping

[@felixbeaulieu852]

@@PTClipsYT Meanwhile you are here commenting and following him, maybe you do actually lol

[@ericgardner5548]

I dont know the difference between the FDA and HHS, but Vivek is very credible.....conservative logic is stuck in vibes...

[@TimeTellsNoLies90]

I hate how vibes play a major part in voting, especially when we have so many resources to fact check stuff.

[@Rytheking2]

Having PF Jung argue for chevron doctrine while carrying water for conservatives is brain splitting

[@superbnns]

Got really obnoxious how often PF Jung said "we're getting too lost in the details" and "it's important to get this detailed" in the same breath.

[@ericc7286]

Spoken like a true centrist

[@_moonmoth]

Hitting em with the Lazy Gardener

[@zenleeparadise]

​@@_moonmothwhat does this mean?

[@_moonmoth]

@@zenleeparadise it’s one of bad faith debate strategies Destiny wrote about: The "Lazy Gardener," or, "Let's not get in the weeds" strategy Oftentimes, when the opposition is lacking a thorough understanding of what's being said, they will oftentimes attempt to obfuscate away from crucial details by claiming that they "don't want to get into the weeds" or "don't want to get into technicalities", even though these particularly technicalities might be essential to justifying or attacking a particular argument.

[@Friar-Sten]

Vibes can change on the fly!

[@tyler8544]

What I hate about this is that PF Jung thought this was a meaningful constructive conversation between two reasonable minds. He doesn’t deserve to have that confidence

[@thr333stars]

One Piece fan and Destiny fan. No fun allowed fan. Get lost please goddam

[@rrrrr.55555]

200%! This would get praised when in reality this conversation should make him ashamed

[@folklorefanatic7193]

1:50:38 Dude admits that Congress had to fix its own mistake and then blames the Dept. of Education for doing its job in the next sentence! The DoE enforced the law AS WRITTEN. You can't make this shit up.

[@rrrrr.55555]

He 100% should've confessed he didn't understand how the government worked sooner so that Destiny could've explained earlier and saved us like 30 minutes of debate

[@meerkatairforce8182]

PFJung: "This guy says you should eat dishwasher tablets instead of candy." Destiny: "Oh ok so this guy's stupid." PFJung: "Well have you listened to any interviews where he talks about this?" Destiny: "No. Why? What was his point?" PFJung, victorious: "SEE? Don't call people stupid until you've listened to their whole point! I listened to it and it sounds like a good point!" I'm so tired.

[@rrrrr.55555]

Have legitimately had convos like this with people

[@tbernard09]

Dear God, how does he not understand that the law didn't ALLOW the department of Ed to withhold funding it REQUIRED the Department of Ed to withhold funding. The Department of Ed was probably the ones who went to Congress and said hey guys you missed something and are making us do this. Why is it every time Congress passes a law and the department the is charged with executing the law executes the law we blame the department. This was not a Department policy, it's a freaking law!

[@meteorwalkergg]

Traitors, treason-committers, & oathbreakers don't respect the law, even when they rarely take the time to understand it. Just look at the Google search spike of "can I change my vote" & "what is a tariff" immediately AFTER the election.

[@ccoodd26]

If you guys want Vivek and Destiny to talk, like this button

[@user-eb9pv4dw5p9]

Vivek is a waste of skin.

[@jonv1776]

Vivek would never in a million years risk that... he is a politician now.

[@nb4411]

Vivek would destroy Destiny lol.

[@rrrrr.55555]

​@@jonv1776Donald Trump went on Stream with Adin Ross, AOC with Hasan. Everything is possible

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

@nb4411 You're absolutely delusional. Vivek would immediately crumble under any legitimate scrutiny.

[@docwylee1891]

"Candace is right about a lot of things" is wild.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Just ask them which points (only thing I ever got was some shit about jews and rap)

[@jenispizz2556]

2:10:00 It's actually crazy people feel comfortable saying that. Even if factually true, I would never feel comfortable saying Hitler, Mao, or Stalin were right about a lot of things... because everyone would understand socially that I'm not making a pointless statement about how they were right about the Earth being round. Everyone would understand me (rightfully) as a crazy asshole carrying water for their abhorrent views. That's exactly what I see from PF Jung.

[@miguelflores3692]

Thumbnail needs more meme arrows pointing at stuff, also the faces of the two need to be circled so I know exactly where to look

[@MisterS.]

⬆️

[@aono335]

Maybe not you but a lot of Gen Z adhd brained normies need that shit nowadays. It’s sad but it is what it is

[@Tehanimekidd]

😂 lol they already changed it

[@gamerGUY3013]

Fr I need that red circle to know what I'm looking at

[@Itzarzky]

exactly I couldn’t tell who’s who

[@VAViking]

The department of education provides funding for title 1 schools to help low income students with things like the cost of lunch and school supplies. How evil.

[@aono335]

😱😱 how evil

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Pure evil giving kids proto communist leanings.

[@Meeces55]

The problem isn't what services they're providing. It's the cost of said services. Why do you need so many executives and why do those executives each need 3 secretaries who all make a minimum of $100k/year?

[@VAViking]

@@Meeces55 show your work.

[@bensullivan1444]

​@@VAViking He can't. It's all vibes based. Looking at the facts is getting to down in weeds for him.

[@inatani0]

Being so openminded that your brain falls out seems like an appropriate assessment here.

[@maybelater1464]

Yeah, I totally believe this guy read every study done on treating gender dysphoria for youth, while not even doing the most basic research on how lawmaking works and being "vibe" based. Sure dude. Bro has not fact checked once in his life.

[@KaseyBottomB]

Do what?

[@marcusmcclain3251]

@@KaseyBottomB Bro, it's text, just re-read it.

[@andrewfolsom3836]

The breakdown of the archery school civic lesson was so perfect. Conservatives have no idea how the government works and like all things they're ignorant of they hate it!

[@AndrewG-FW-TX]

We know exactly how the government works. We just don’t understand why you libs just want to keep the status quo. Trump is bringing real change!!!

[@thenewapelles6448]

@@AndrewG-FW-TX the idea of a Republican bucking the status quo and bringing about "real change" is hilarious. You expect conservatives to challenge the system?

[@AndrewG-FW-TX]

@ you see it now with Trumps picks 1000 times better then the DEI and Alphabet tribe picks that Biden put in there.

[@wadebacca]

Except Destiny was dishonest in this section of the debate. I wish the information existed because I would bet my life savings there were more homicides with a bat last year than with a bow.

[@oephry3253]

PF Jung: They’re a bureaucracy so they have to justify their existence Then minutes later to pretend Vivek wasn’t trying to paint them in a negative light PF Jung: inefficiency isn’t being malicious Kill me

[@admirallove6180]

I can't fucking stand the whole "I can't respond to that because I'm just ignorant" dodge, followed immediately by more assertions made with completely unwarranted confidence

[@2dogs4horses]

Don’t discount the fact that when Joe Rogan supported Bernie he wasn’t making $12m a year. Money makes a whole lot of people change their political views and Rogan became one of those people clearly

[@AspiringDevil]

True it was also when Bernie was more openly anti establishment

[@grandgibbon2071]

Joe only supported Bernie because Joe supports anyone who is anti-establishment. If he was on the policies a Bernie supporter there is no way he could support Trump, or most of hte people he supports.

[@ianwatterson6970]

@@howlouthelodger also he got old supporting commies pass 25 is cringe.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

He was the host of Fear Factor. He's talked about getting T1 line to play Quake multiplayer in the 90s. Dude had the money to get a 1.5 Mb business-grade internet connection when people were still running 56k.

[@so5075]

He has been a multi millionaire for 20 years

[@TRayTV]

This whole thing about Archery funding, how does he think abolishing the Department of Education is going to allow funding for Archery under those circumstances? How does PF think the DOEd is in any way at fault? How does PF not see Vivek is blaming DOEd when they are not at fault and then using that false conclusion to suggest DOEd is withholding funding for a fringe political agenda.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Think?

[@JackDiBartolo]

Centrists are to Republicans as Apologists are to Christianity. You cannot say you are free-thinking and based in facts, and then try to defend views and opinions of a group whose entire beliefs and values are based in faith/“vibes”.

[@alibabaschultz352]

Are you suggesting that "dumb" people can never be right about anything?

[@Axxilles]

@@alibabaschultz352 No, he's saying that they're much less likely to be correct because they don't use reality to form their ideas.

[@chillin5703]

​@@alibabaschultz352you're the only one who has used the word "dumb". Maybe you are individually a bit insecure?

[@yew7607]

@@alibabaschultz352 I don't know how it's even possible to get that from the original post, they didn't even use the word dumb or reference intelligence, just processes

[@alibabaschultz352]

@@yew7607 "a group whose entire beliefs and values are based in faith/vibes". Is that not just a polite way of calling those people dumb?

[@flywillis5684]

"I've never heard him say something incredibly stupid." "I'm much more vibe-based."

[@scarfhat1]

The archery discussion killed me inside. The idea that a bow isn't a weapon is so absurd. Can it be used for sport? yes but that doesn't mean it's not a weapon. It's completely different from a bat or a knife because those are made with a non-combat purpose. Can they be used for combat? Of course. So can a brick, so can a pen. Now i dont think the UK is exemplary when it comes to law or anything but our wording around offensive weapons is designed to account for this. We use the terms made, adapted and intended (to cause harm) Made - sword Adapted - bat with nails in it Intended - a brick you find

[@PTarahb]

I would like to see Destiny become the Blue Joe Rogan... but I don't think the country is ready for a female Joe Rogan yet. (Destiny is a girl).

[@Greiwulfe]

Joann Rogan

[@jimmybeanchugger1832]

I think Destiny needs to be a left wing Version of ALL the right wing shills debating making clickbait content owning ppl And Hasan should be the Jre. Leave the personal shit aside both of them are disingenuously smearing each other. Neither have valid arguments against each other. Destiny is VERY FUCKING IMPORTANT bc he can make them look fkin stupid and is more ethos & logos, Hasan is important & is Vibes and more Pathos & Logos. Both are important and valid people with valid points except when it comes to eachother. That spiteful vindictive feud is a crux

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

Destiny needs to get jacked. Unironically right wingers would like him more 😂

[@lordn3m3sis]

I see what you did there

[@Meeces55]

​@@garythecyclingnerd6219But then he would lose his progressive supporters

[@abrickwithoutawallpodcast]

31:26 double mastectomy rates.. is this defined as for gender reassignment, or does this include cancer? Bc this statistic he gave had zero context to where it’s from or what is included as reasons for the mastectomy.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

If it's 150% it includes cancer.

[@TheStreetZ89]

I think @destiny should do this more. Watching the content the person consumes and walking them through why it's fallacies seems really effective 1:06:43

[@AspiringDevil]

I think it's really cool content as well but sadly I don't think most people are willing to do that. . respect to PF Jung for not running or freaking out about it

[@zyto7904]

It's painfully obvious he's terminally online by thinking Joe Rogan was even remotely close to the deciding factor.

[@xXFluffers]

During this discussion, destiny intends to say nine thirty, but instead says nine turdy. I would have otherwise agreed with him 100%, but because of this mistake (misspeak) I have no choice but to disagree with him on everything.

[@rrrrr.55555]

Omg owned

[@kgr732]

Destiny talks to a brick wall would be a better title for this

[@enlightenednormie242]

True 💯💯💯

[@kaziem]

Bro described stupidity driven by ignorance like it wasn't his problem. Wild bro.

[@ItReignItPour]

I used to be a Sneako viewer, Destiny opened my eyes to how much of a brainlet I was and that was my incentive for being a more informed person.

[@rrrrr.55555]

🙏 I used to be a Kevin Samuels and the Fresh and Fit adjacent fan, thankfully discovered Destiny

[@lucasalley9008]

Some of the most dangerous people in the world were highly charismatic and great speakers. You need to dissect what they say and not rely on vibes.

[@GetEvenNotMad]

It's like they call themselves centrists because they want to infer they're gauging both sides because being in the middle makes you "seem" sensible to the either party. They always fall apart when you ask them to say ONE negative thing about conservatism😂

[@SOPERFECTT]

conservatism is better

[@mickeyboy90]

Conservatives will drop you for being anti-conservative while most people on the left rn will love the anti-dem position.

[@EarthForces]

Both sides have their extremists and the fundamental disagreement on the principles of government, and what it can and can not do is a healthy political environment for engaging on different views. Centre-left and centre-right as a political spectrum exists for a reason. Conservatism in itself is not wrong on everything, but neither is Liberalism. People just have personal biases like I actually am in favour of Roe v Wade being scrapped so the states can decide for themselves on a sensitive subject like abortion while I sadly lament that Trump got away with his involvement to the January 6 insurrection. Riddle me this, does this example of my Social Conservatism while readily would supporting the prosecution of Trump's action after looking at the evidence make me a "wrong" because I am a Conservative on certain issues?

[@bradtaylor77]

I call myself a centrist because I can't stand smug liberals. Even though I agree with most of their policy positions I would never admit to being a lefty because I do not want to be lumped in with a bunch of smug close minded a-holes that sh*t themselves every time they're confronted by someone with a different opinion.

[@blakeog2034]

@@EarthForcesbot reply. You all sound like chat gpt

[@T_Time_]

This guy is just doesn’t want to admit that he is wrong, maybe because he feels like he will lose something in front of his audience. But saying that destiny is in debate mood, just because destiny is bringing up points that can be debate because it aligns with reality when he himself is trying to bring up points, is just cope out, wouldn’t be surprised if bro didn’t learn anything.

[@grandgibbon2071]

Vivek's argument doesn't even make sense. Yes you need to form groups to solve problems, but you can't just then walk away the second the problem is solved, and on top of that now that x problem is solved we can focus on y, and w, z so on. When we get rid of oversight, and enforcement things go back to how they were because it's cheaper, and people don't do things out of the kindness of their hearts. He says well we actually spend more on poor kids, and they have worse outcomes, but Vivek doesn't want to get into all the reasons why that would be the case. The question at hand is how the poor kid doing now relative to how the poor kid would have done in the past. His task force makes no sense in the form of doing things, even for companies. You want skilled people in a trade doing that work consistently. one of the biggest problems for education is that teachers are paid so little, so who even wants to get into it, or can get into it. What does Vivek think is going to happen in his world people who are highly skilled in specific issues are going to rally together for 6 months to solve a problem then what go back to whatever until they are needed again? Even if you grant his company thing, what a company invents a cure for something, or a cool medical gadget, and what they should now disappear, and what make their stuff open source? Vivek just is start up pilled, his thought is you make a company, do a thing, then sell it to some other company, he has no concept of actually building any long term product, or service to do stuff. He just thinks oh I spin up a company, and 6 months to a year later sell it off, and look how successful I am. This doesn't work in reality for anything other than just making someone rich in the short term. A task force should be spun up in an institution to address a specific issue, and then build out protocols, and systems to address it going forward. The institution should be the one making sure that your food continues to be safe to eat. The fda should make a task force on say how do we stop woodchips from being put into bread, then the FDA makes sure that woodchips are no longer in food. Just getting it out then walking away means that it will go back in eventually. And then on the law stuff, he is saying come on now a good faith interpretation wouldn't hammer Archery, but guess what it's the republicans, it's guys like Vivek that have shit all over the idea of good faith when they twist and contort every law to their benefit despite externalities. So now we have to be very specific and follow the law to the best of our literal interpretation, because guys like Vivek want it both ways.

[@Tom-jy3in]

well said

[@paulblart2179]

10/10 thumbnail, that shit actually made me laugh out loud

[@animatorbroman3710]

Nah we need asmonggold

[@astrecs1233]

how the hell are you going to call yourself a "centrist" then be a fan of Vivek, a guy who believes in the great replacement theory.

[@Itzarzky]

because he isn’t a centrist, and just like 99% of them, they are closeted republicans, and conservatives.

[@wastingmylifeaway4898]

It's possible to not endorse literally every position that the people you like have. "Centrist" also doesn't really mean what you think it does. Ideologically speaking, it would mean that they have a mix of right and left wing beliefs. It does not dictate how those beliefs ought to be mixed, nor do they even need to be equally mixed. A "centrist" would generally lean either right or left, they are just a lot less partisan overall than most people that tend to vote. That being said, a "centrist" isn't a moderate.

[@paperpersona1243]

His idea of centrism is thinking all ideas are equally valid. He'd give the same credence to flat earthers.

[@-47-]

@@paperpersona1243 I never really thought about it, but in a two-party system where one of the parties has abandoned all facts, a centrist would necessarily have to think that all ideas are equally valid regardless of... well, their validity.

[@Daniel-from-Texas]

I love how Destiny breaks Vivek’s statement down sentence by sentence to prove he’s wrong/lying. As a lawyer, I applaud the effort.

[@garywebb2432]

Centrism is just an aesthetic to these types of people smh DESTINY is a true centrist tbh

[@danh508]

Nah my guy he is not he is a leftiest he is not extreme left like woke but he is still left .

[@aono335]

@@danh508Left of center is the new Center. The right is now full of crazy MAGATs and the extreme left/progressive is too far to left. So yeah Destiny is the new center

[@Johnjackjack]

I don’t know why destiny uses centrist he more is values based that guide to the best fit solutions to much

[@Lucyorangejuicy]

​@@JohnjackjackThis is probably a question of how you define left and right but I would argue he is a true leftist in the traditional sense (so progressive as opposed to conservative)

[@Qubicle.]

no he isn't. he agrees with some right wing policies, but he's mostly a liberal progressive.

[@jodyparrish637]

Peter Thiel literally is openly black pilled on democracy and this dude gives him as an example of a good dude to have in government

[@JijonJang]

PF Jung trying to defend his Bow take was some of the DUMBEST takes I've ever heard...

[@elbryanto]

But they’re just like bats - archery as a sport also came before people started using them to kill, right?

[@austenkahn4398]

not all double mastectomies are done as gender-affirming care.

[@thelightwielder]

1:54:00 omg Shooting at a target is training you to kill things, shooting at skeet is training to shoot birds. Whether or not you actually go hunting, that's what it is training you to do.

[@LaraMauk]

"Rightwing conspiracy" "rightwing Conspiracy" Destiny you aren't tuned in because, "rightwing conspiracy".

[@AustinAx]

As a dedicated august hater, this was well edited. No random clicking with one word out of the sentance popping up, no goofy tiktok dubstep, and the title isnt vague clickbait.

[@youtubian2500]

I'd give it a solid 7.4/10, what's your score

[@AustinAx]

@youtubian2500 7.4/10 is spot on ✅️

[@danielsurvivor1372]

It's a solid 7/10, too many red arrows in the thumbnail. 😅

[@sunnyta1990]

Didn't have Subway Surfers, 0/10

[@nathanmitchell7961]

"ive researched extensively" "there is no a single study that shows postive effects" He is entirely full of it

[@bongieger7871]

Him saying "I have no evidence, it's all vibes based" sums this up pretty well 😂

[@patrickpitz1879]

The cop shootings to gender afferming care comparison isn't helpful because the BLM isn't just about being shot by cops it's about being mistreated by cops which is probably a difficult stat to get a great look at, but I assure you it's an insanely higher number.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Easy to rack it up as well it's human nature to abuse power.

[@Maxtor-ve5nu]

how does destiny do it. how does he tolerate these idiots

[@enlightenednormie242]

Tolerance built up through the long years 😅😅

[@warja1313]

Full props to this dude for having basically every belief he has slapped down, and not just cracking the shits and leaving like they usually do.

[@hrolfthestrange]

Under the Chevron doctrine, the DoE would not have been allowed to fund the archery stuff. Chevron deference to interpretation ONLY existed when there is an ambiguity in the law which the executive needed to interpret in the first place(and then it needs to be a plausible interpretation). In this law, there is no ambiguity, the term was defined well enough to have a specific list of things including archery. In fact, the fact that this provision was included may imply that it's not useless/nonsense and so would be interpreted to apply to things that actually happen in schools. Do any public schools in the US teach people how to murder using military grade weapons? No. So the restriction may be interpreted as explicitly targeting archery/hunting.

[@AnythingMachine]

I think PF Jung can be saved

[@rrrrr.55555]

Hopium

[@jenispizz2556]

He's clearly a sincere and relatively thoughtful person. Man, it's really upsetting to see how fucked his understanding is though. 2:10:00 really caught me off guard when he felt the need to carry water for Candice Owens.

[@jacobriley-plater5011]

August you are a god tier editor for that intro the music fit so well

[@SamBlips]

It's called New Terrain by Aiyo, just by the by :)

[@lunatic2178]

​@@SamBlips I've wanted to know what this music piece was for a long time hahah

[@dotnet9830]

[@joshuamatkin8306]

These anti-woke ppl now are all emotional and vibe based. 😂

[@JustABeard_]

Destiny debates WidLug

[@techninja3001]

OK, I found my issue where I disagree with Destiny and would destroy him in a debate. My daughter should be on puberty blockers, not for trans shit, but because she has a genetic growth disorder and her body is not ready for puberty, but she is going through it. In Florida, it is illegal to give children puberty blockers. The doctors do not say that they cannot prescribe them because it is unsafe, but because it is illegal. If it is safe for my daughter to take puberty blockers for a genetic growth issue, it is safe for any child to take puberty blockers to delay puberty by a year or two, so why is destiny agreeing That puberty blockers are unsafe?

[@clairearan505]

Because vibes are stronger than even Destiny would like to admit.

[@MichealScotch]

Because they are still relatively new and not relatively understood with long term effects on people.

[@Revan058]

​@@MichealScotch40 years is relatively new?

[@theseeker7692]

I also want to know

[@clairearan505]

@@Revan058 new to the person you're replying to

[@heisman987]

It’s super easy to tell when Trump is lying. It’s when his mouth is moving

[@milanmilacic9311]

It's sham this guy calles himself a centrist, he's not a centrist he's the median voter

[@RivetCityRamsey]

Centrist is a useless label. Just tell me your positions.

[@-47-]

@@RivetCityRamsey It used to have some uses. Today it just means republican who's too embarrassed to admit it.

[@vomesticdiolence8112]

​@@RivetCityRamsey Nah, centrism is a marvelous bundle of different culture, motives and positions: you can have single issues voter, christain moderatism, conservative on fiscal issues / liberal on social issues, ecc... The apparent stasis hide an incredible dynamic world

[@RivetCityRamsey]

@vomesticdiolence8112 Those are all different things with different beliefs. You have proven my point.

[@vomesticdiolence8112]

@@RivetCityRamsey Nah, it's the same thing of leftism. There are so many different thesis inside, but still there is some common ground (prefering bipartisan action, being less leader focused than other factions, prefering data-driven or common sense driven policies, ecc). You can still treat the term as an operational concept.

[@aaronmcintosh4805]

God damn. I loathe people like this. Just another useless, Olympic level fence sitter. No spine. He sounds exactly the same as any Trump supporter. He’s pathetic and people who are acting like he’s “smart” didn’t watch the video.

[@Group.B]

Apathy is a plague with centrists. It makes no sense. But they can avoid any accountability for making the wrong choice

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

If every trump supporter sounded like him it wouldnt be such an issue. He at least attempts to live in reality

[@paperpersona1243]

​@@CollabcreatemarketingHe lives in a world where he considers a basketball a deadly weapon like archery, no hes fucking not in reality.

[@zigorro3478]

I like PFs content but for someone who kinda positions himself as a thinker on political issues and hasn't dug into any of it worries me deeply

[@HaroWorld1]

4:53 Destiny keeps complaining that people are unaware of what happened on Jan 6, yet he STILL hasn't released the documentary on Jan 6 that he has been working on to educate the public. Where is the Jan 6 documentary? When is it coming out?

[@HeatherWP]

There is a very good reason for that. Because he hasn’t found a way to spin it to the degree that he needs to manipulate people yet. The facts are already out there, it should be easy enough to put something together, it’s just difficult to do when you have a false narrative that you want to push.

[@nickwilliams5967]

It’s so painful to watch someone learn nothing after an hour.

[@jonathanmarkham1998]

Thing is it’s an absolute waste of time debating 99% of people. I still watch but tend to tune out after a while a lot these days. Don’t know how he manages to maintain his composure. I really think that a lot of these liberal notions people have about the power of debate are just myths frankly.

[@ChipCheerio]

I lost it when bro started arguing that Super Saiyan LeBron might be capable of hunting with a basketball. I mean come on dude, how are we this debate brained?

[@KaseyBottomB]

To say Harrison lost because she did not attend Joe Rogan's podcast. That is giving to much power to Joe Rogan's podcast... Like that in so many words is say Joe Rogan's podcast determed the US election

[@KaseyBottomB]

I just can not entertain this no longer

[@zachthetrashpowerlifter1562]

His podcast definitely is a powerful tool. But I agree it did not decide the election and destiny lowkey acts like it did.

[@TH-lo8mq]

This guy seemed smarter last time they spoke. I didn't expect him to think Vivek is a brilliant truth-teller.

[@defecakes845]

How many of those double mastectomy’s are due to things like breast cancer? Just using the broad statistic of double mastectomy’s on minors as justification that trans kids are getting them is nonsensical.

[@davidpearlman582]

His refusal to budge on his own personal feelings about a bow and arrow not being a deadly weapon is infuriating

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

2:40:27 This is where it comes out. He truly admits that he is just following the word of people he is conned into believing

[@jimbofitzpatrick7444]

1:16:48 omgoodness- vivek's comment about how pharmaceutical companies should just close their doors after they develop a product..... this is absolutely insane. If you know anyone in Pharma or even Biotech - you would be familiar with all the things involved in a drug or treatments pipeline. Once you have a good Pipeline working, and most companies have at least a few things in the pipeline at once , deciding to stop and close the doors makes zero sense from a business perspective if you had just made a fortune off one of your products. I guess unless you were in the red by an even greater fortune and couldn't continue. But otherwise why would you give up the profit motive, if you/ the board didn't want to continue with other treatments you would just sell the company to someone else who would.

[@RayKosby]

Jung's inability to look things up to check on what Vivek's claims is an example of ineffectiveness caused by incompetence not vindictiveness.

[@RayKosby]

Jung watching Steven analyze the claims Vivek was making and interpreting it as a form of confirmation bias was very frustrating. Jung is so convinced his presuppositions about how bureaucracy works is sufficient to draw conclusions he looks up nothing.

[@folklorefanatic7193]

"My vibes are based on intuition." Then your "intuition" is broken, my dude.

[@aydantesillo9520]

Is it weird that I find content like this perfect for playing video games like Spider-Man 2?

[@Meeces55]

These videos are great for listening to while you run around trying to get all the collectables in a game to 100% complete it.

[@hkandm4s23]

I don't understand how a seemingly smart person can have the archery thing laid out so completely and still not get it...... it literally defines deadly weapon in the statue. They had no choice but to enforce the law they were handed as the agency tasked with enforcement of statutes given by congress. That's why congress had to correct it. I don't understand what blinders he has that are getting in the way of common sense here.

[@tenklop]

He doesn’t have any understanding on how the government works and he initially bases it on what perceived information he passively consumes. If he initially understood what he was told already then he wouldn’t have that position probably. There’s also another part of a initial belief that the government agencies, its actors and employees are “against/at war” with the “constitution”, “freedom and self sufficiency”, “informed citizens who have the same perceived “idealization” with 1776- pre 1900s America”, and to “control and suppress any right wing, nationalistic, patriotic, “””””family values””””” etc”. That’s why every time destiny went further into the explanation and digging he doesn’t understand what’s going on and kept trying to pin it on the “enemy within trying to stifle American freedoms” until destiny told him that it’s the law and the executive part had to enforce it and it’s not like they can just flat out ignore it. If destiny started out with telling him how that part of the government works and what is voted on and then worked its way down to show him that’s how things run, the initial perceiving he has would immediately be measured against his preconceived notions and if questioned, he wouldn’t be able to back them up and either be forced to concede that yes, the government isn’t trying to stomp its foot on me they’re just doing what was passed in congress and acting upon it. The problem is that everyone on the righ wants to 2nd amendment the government and restore it to pre 1900s and they view it as a hijacked government that’s at war with the “patriots”.

[@Gr13fM4ch1n3]

Suddenly the "Do your own research" warriors are angry when Destiny does research on what Vivek is saying.

[@TheBreezeShoot]

It’s a lot easier to ignore the facts. When you can’t, it’s easier to call them a psychopath than assume their bad faith. It’s such a bummer that you can see in real time that either he has to admit that the views being expressed are scare tactics based on lies or assume their bad faith politician is too stupid or literally crazy. Wild.

[@dontplay6580]

Bringing up gay conversion therapy was a good comparison, but I will add that I personally believe most of those "success" stories are just people shamed into hiding or choosing to ignore their true selves. Near every friend or classmate I had that was obviously gay/lesbian and was from a deeply religious family either stayed single to this day or started a family, had kids ,then later divorced when they got caught cheating with the same sex. 😂Except for one guy that funnily enough his wife was secretly into, and now she goes with him for meet ups.

[@thr333stars]

Thanks for insightful experience, not many people talk from the point of experiences like you did!

[@camdenwyeth316]

All these comments are so mean lol, you guys aren't as smart as you think you are, chill

[@Diskhate]

You need to understand guys... if only he had that googledoc Destiny would be so beaten and ashamed right now...

[@DefaOmega]

I haven't seen a lot of Destiny content, but I'd love to see him break down speeches by all sorts of politicians (like the Vivek one in this video).

[@sydhamelin1265]

I'm so tired of people debating Destiny, and when Destiny makes a strong point, they f'ing run back into their hidey-hole with these "well, I don't know about that, I didn't really look into that" nonsense. You know that they'd never admit that, as a result of bad faith, to other people. One of Destiny's greatest tactics is to get people to admit just how ignorant they really are.