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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode.
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[@GreyCrowe]

How can you be "looking at it, not legally", but your determination is to "criminally charge them"? If it's not illegal, it's not a crime.

[@suckmysilencer747]

In the eyes of the international court I’m sure bush’s invasion under false pretences is illegal. I simply have no care what garbage laws American holds to their presidents.

[@graysean]

Don't expect right-wing grifters to know what the words they use mean. You'll just be disappointed.

[@NotimetoVero]

Queue Jordan Peterson railing against *the trans mafia* for changing words because of their feelings- while calling a completely legal procedure “criminal” because his feefees tell him it’s bad. Basically just throw the work “criminal” and “thug” at anything they’re triggered by.

[@tenkenroo]

He just wants him to admit Obama did a bad thing and I’d be like “k trump did worse war crimes and you are arguing this point in bad faith”

[@kiwim3p587]

Pim Tool's brain has turned to fermented cabbage under the intense heat generated by the bennie.

[@hectorhall82]

I feel the exact same way as Kyle here. If legal action was pursued over internationally illegal acts that Bush, Obama, or Clinton committed, I would be just as fine with it as I am with what's happening to Trump right now. *No one* should be above the law.

[@furiousapplesack]

The disarming response is always going to be, "Sure, go for it, I don't care. So you support the current act of holding trump accountable then, yes?" Vague gestures at imagined hypocrisy are extremely easy to flip around on the idiots, because they project their own bad-faith mentality onto everyone else.

[@davidradtke160]

I mean I take some issue if it’s international law not US law but yeah no one above the law.

[@tonym6193]

but do you honestly believe Bush, Obama, or Clinton will be held accountable for their crimes? Who are you kidding? Thats why they went after trump for ridiculous shit that doesn’t matter, instead of something that would actually reform executive power (like war crimes)

[@thomass9457]

Then you should be fine with Biden being charged and imprisoned for selling influence to China ? Right?

[@kevc5510]

It's not about what crime was committed, it's about who committed it.

[@MarkGast]

"National Security" trumps everything. Good luck with holding any president accountable for national security issues.

[@Elgerino]

Well that's exactly the point Destiny is making, you can't prosecute someone for a crime that doesn't exist on the books. He's not defending Obama he's saying Trump broke a law and Obama didn't, if you want to prosecute President's for that crime you need to change the law. Tim doesn't engage with that point at all, his only intention is to excuse Trump with whatbouts.

[@JaffaGaffa]

@@Elgerino "Its OK when we do it" -ism

[@Shadowguy456234]

​@@Elgerino To be fair with Tim here (gack) it seems he is suggesting we do change the law to be able to prosecute presidents for murderous actions overseas. Of course that wouldn't be retroactive, since it's not how US law works, but he can put that fact under his beanie.

[@jamespower5165]

​@@Shadowguy456234 That's just talk though and will never happen. Even what is happening to T isn't about those specific cases. It's because we don't have laws for the actual terrible stuff he did. Same reason they put Al Capone away for tax-related stuff but that's not why they got on his case in the first place

[@ceejay1476]

@@Elgerino Well, what is YOUR point, then? That the US government is legally able to kill any of us for any reason whatsoever? Because I severely doubt that is the case. You're argueing that killing a 16 year old because his father was an alleged "terrorist"(his father wasn't even in the country, it was 100% aimed at killing the kid to send a message to the father) is justified under "national security". Which is simply insane.

[@VossH2O]

What Kyle has said is correct but he failed to acknowledge that Destiny is a girl's name.

[@ev17dan]

Amazin!

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Huh? But funfact. There's entire countries that doesn't gender names at all.

[@xEnder515]

​@@charisma-hornum-fries It's a meme from destiny fans.

[@ev17dan]

@Charisma Hornum-Fries he debated JLP

[@ulipeterson6112]

@@ev17dan Beta!

[@eugeneimbangyorteza]

The worst thing about this is I'm not even convinced that Tim Pool himself is convinced about his opinions.

[@AggressiveLemur]

Grifter shit.

[@Wildfan-sg3fh]

His opinion is whatever makes him more money

[@jerseyjackrabbit2829]

you see that alot when he speaks. he has his "answer" already been fails when he tries to walk it back so people can understand his point. like here when he blamed obama for bombing yemen... even though trump bombed yemen more than obama did. the only difference is he cares about the one american who died which lead people to find out we were bombing yemen.

[@Oborowatabinostk]

Fence sitters are the fucking lamest

[@disf5178]

People who have doubts about their opinions are usually much more intelligent than people who don't.

[@Tarumarugan]

I wanna see destiny, Tim pool, been Shapiro all having a conversation and see if I can keep up with the words per minute. We can even have a half time show starring Eminem.

[@mayiofferyousomealternativ7205]

think kyle has it on 1.25 speed

[@Septurez]

@@mayiofferyousomealternativ7205 he does, destiny talks fast af tho

[@waltergrace565]

You can just have Deminem perform. It'll be the Superbowl of grifting.

[@scottconover7569]

Agreed I’d pay lol

[@leonconnelly5303]

There the masters of saying everything without saying anything

[@whatsupinspace854]

Tim Pool: "You make a fair point - what Obama did is not actually illegal, but to counter that, I believe it should be illegal, therefore I believe it is illegal"

[@letsomethingshine]

“Wait, Trump killed a little American girl and I didn’t care because he wasn’t Obama? @4:20 who would have guessed” -Tim Poole, defender of American kids abroad but only if it doesn’t hurt his preconceived narratives.

[@John-ct9zs]

That whole exchange made my head explode

[@juha1428]

but as Kyle pointed out what Obama did is actually illegal if they would interpret the laws correctly. Every president has committed illegal actions. There is clear political motivation to go after Trump only since he's trying to get back to office and establishment don't want him there.

[@richardrobin5837]

And Tim was correct

[@dwightwest2885]

I like Kyle, but his Trump " right wing" derangement is old and divisive. Let's look for alliances not division.

[@otmanh]

Timmie: its so unfair no other DA in the US is going after other presidents besides Trump for all the laws they've broken. Also Timmie: Look, I'm less concerned about "legality", its more an emotional thing!!

[@tonym6193]

but we all know that other living presidents will never be prosecuted… right?

[@patchwurk6652]

@@tonym6193 I mean hey, if you want to go nuts. But "being a corrupt war criminal" isn't a crime for the Presidency in the USA. Believe me we wanted Bush arrested for that shit forever ago and that went nowhere. Trump broke laws that would still be illegal for a President in front of God and everybody and was actively resisting the authorities every step of the way. He probably wouldn't have been hounded at all post-Presidency if he hasn't been Quite Literally Asking for it every time he opened his mouth.

[@denverarnold6210]

​@@tonym6193 prosecute the dead ones!

[@letsomethingshine]

Trump killed an American girl…@4:20 And got millions of Americans killed from COVID. I’m very confused how some people are not seeing Tim Pool’s hypocritical blindness.

[@JoseRodriguez-lo9wi]

​@@tonym6193 prosecuted for what exactly

[@SconnerStudios]

Tim "CiViL wAr" Pool is wrong about 85-90% of the time. Just make sure to buy his 27 pound bucket of freeze dried mac n cheese so you can survive the cIvIl wAr and it doubles as a poop bucket when you empty it too!

[@davidking2835]

Not emptying it may give it better flavor. Someone tell him to wash that goddamn beanie, I can almost smell it from here. 🤮

[@josephstalin839]

Sounds like Kyle nearly all of the time

[@johnpjones182]

@@josephstalin839 Kyle's not predicting a civil war.

[@furiousapplesack]

@@johnpjones182 "You mean like the opposite of the thing you obviously meant? lol" - 70-75% of dipshit right-wing responses

[@Elgerino]

@@josephstalin839 Tell me you've never watched content from both without telling me you've never watched content from both.

[@broadnerdmike6450]

Tim’s still doing the “seriously guys I’m not a Republican I’m just being FAIR” I see.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

Tim Pool is the definition of dedicated fence sitter. he pretends to be a centrist and will lean left or right depending on what gains him the most benefits, which is why i personally can't stand centrists.. they are nothing but opportunists that cannot be trusted. at least a left winger and a right winger can be depended upon to speak their honest mind.

[@barryallen871]

​@@ZugzugZugzugsonlol, not everyone fits nicely into red and blue boxes. You watch too much newsmedia. Half the adults in the country don't even vote bro...🤯

[@julesdalli9716]

Tim has this weird way of pretending to be a centrist while making conservative arguments. At least twats like Matt Walsh admit they're conservative.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

@@barryallen871 i actually barely watch any news media, but i do know what kind of person tim pool is, and he is a centrist aka fence sitter.

[@disf5178]

@@ZugzugZugzugson Centrist doesn't mean you are neutral on everything..lol Generally, it's people who have some left views and some right views, open to swinging either way depending on issues

[@burninghard]

Tim Pool: "We need to hold the presidents to the highest moral standards!" Destiny: "Trump assasinated an Iranian general." Tim Pool: "That was legal so it doesn´t count!" God these people and their hypocracy make me sick.

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

Legality and morality are not the same thing. Stop being a beta

[@thedissidentleftist6997]

​@@RedPillGrimReaper When Trump yesmen keep says the same lies that trump didnt start any more wars.

[@liamlinson7563]

@@RedPillGrimReaper that iranian general was fighting isis, im sure those isis members are very grateful for what trump did lol

[@morenitomoreno1282]

Also, it seems l like Destiny didn’t know that Trump killed the little American sister of the boy Tim pretends to care so much about he thinks Obama should be arrested for it. In other words, Trump did exactly the same thing Obama did to another family member of that first US citizen who was killed in a drone attack and it happened more recently but Tim only use Obama to make his point

[@blackearl7891]

​@@RedPillGrimReaperhe was arguing on holding president to the highest moral standard not legal. So it is contradictory.

[@Alpha18254]

Pool:I'm not taking legality. Pool Next Sentence: I think he should be charged criminally 🤦‍♂️

[@seanwhitehall4652]

Conservatives are fueled entirely by their hurt feelngs.

[@devonmorton6514]

The Authorization of military force after 9/11 is so vague that it can be applied virtually anywhere and will hold up legally. That authorization is literally based on the Executive Branch's discernment. Destiny is right actions taken by the President may not be morally right but are legal according to the United States law. Also, international law is equally ambiguous, and offensive actions taken by world leaders are just as justifiable and legal as they are illegal. Of course, there are outliers where it is blatantly illegal, like Iraq.

[@ananousous]

Even if it didn't hold up legally, what are the odds of actually being held accountable?

[@blackearl7891]

​@@ananousousin the US? None. It would limit the us ability to conduct themselves in a foreign state. Ain't no way they are going to do that.

[@matthewtaylor5230]

Yes that is very true

[@afridgetoofar1818]

Lefties are now justifying war crimes just to own Trumpers. We’ve reached peak TDS 😂

[@shinystarmiestudios4179]

@@ananousous None for America. Because if we had to follow International Law, we'd have to get another country to drop a Nuke on Washington DC.

[@SIRKSELASOR21]

It’s awesome to see Dicky McGuizzacks finally hit 1M subs. Keep up the great work!

[@ash12181987]

I bet there was such a celebration down by the Safeway

[@TheSKEEEP]

@@ash12181987 And the sun was in my eyes.

[@dukinhower]

As long as his hair stays blonde, Dicky will be his name

[@a.wenger3964]

@@dukinhower Kyle was rocking the same hairstyle since 2003. Suddenly Krystal comes into his life and, BOOM, it changes and he's got 1mil. Coincidence?

[@nickthompson1812]

@@a.wenger3964 Krystal comes in and dudes hair turns grey. That’s all I’m thinking about lmao

[@HWCWTD]

Kyle. Destiny already speaks fast, lol

[@ShyGuy274]

The clip as played in this video is basically unwatchable 😭 Kyle doesn't even talk fast so it's so jarring when he plays these videos at such a fast speed

[@__rm307]

@@ShyGuy274 ok I thought i was the only one struggling w this 😅

[@goodchildmusic0]

I know this has been said sooooo many times, Tim Pool is an absolute tool. All hail Tim Pool, the Reverse Oracle.

[@jcballer12c]

The Reverse Oracle, that is absolutely brilliant. 🤣🤣🤣🤣, absolutely brilliant.

[@goodchildmusic0]

@@jcballer12c I can't take credit for it. It's from TJ Kirk also known as The Amazing Atheist. 😄

[@newworldbro]

dim tool

[@stephaniebarron52]

The nitwit said "I think we're looking at a 49 state landslide for Trump."

[@deathbeam328]

Pim Tool

[@superlink235]

"I'm less concerned with legality" - Tim the narcissist fascist Pool

[@suckmysilencer747]

He’s fascist for pointing out the grotesque immorality of American foreign policy?

[@PhreakPhantom]

"Fascist" lol

[@waltergrace565]

Haha, yeah, tell me the fascisms grift again.....

[@xEnder515]

​@@waltergrace565 He doesn't care about legality cause his orange God is in legal issues hence why dim toole is a fascist. Lol you're welcome

[@sterlingbxyd]

tell me you don’t know what fascist means without telling me 💀 y’all learned a word and use it for everything

[@Saint_Vitus]

Say what you want about Destiny but damn can he debate

[@lauren8135]

I love watching Tim Pool getting his ass handed to him, mostly because he is just so confidently and terminally incorrect most of the time. It’s just anytime I hear him talk it’s just like oh my god how do not see this??!!! Dense as a lead brick.

[@dontforgettolike7127]

If you can’t admit that Tim had some good points here, you just don’t want to.

[@galvatrontimewars]

@@dontforgettolike7127 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@BlueBeetle1939]

It's an act he's being deliberately obtuse

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

lol, Tim was 100% right here

[@suckmysilencer747]

Would be fuckin nice if there was some American left / right unity of war crimes from presidents… comments like this make me realise that will never happen

[@El_Guapo509]

This guy Tim Pool has the same logical sense as a goldfish.

[@BigRed77777]

"I'm less concerned with legality" because it fits my narrative way better and that's all I really care about - Tim Drool

[@komlat253]

Lol pretty much

[@xtaintedx3l0vex]

Congratulations on the 1M subs Kyle. I been with you a long time and I am happy to see you get what you deserve ❤😊

[@franksir5528]

Kyle is the best! 💯 ...he certainly, intellectually, tramples over Destiny & Poole

[@shinystarmiestudios4179]

@@franksir5528 DesTINY (Tiny referring to his brain) and Dim Fool.

[@xtaintedx3l0vex]

@@shinystarmiestudios4179 accurate

[@childoflight389]

Muay be nice being a leftist and having youtube push your videos with their algo. KZbin just pushed his video on me. Im clicking off now.

[@jascu4251]

Same here, I disagree w Kyle on some things (which is more than fine!) but I'm glad to see him breaking the 1m! I also think he's improved in the last year after maybe falling off a little bit prior to that

[@CheKazzo]

That listening speed was brutal.

[@Tycon]

Mega respect for Kyle here. All the old baggage and shit Destiney said about Kyle's late father and he still sticks to his principles above individuals. I honestly wouldn't be able to do the same myself likely.

[@LiiRAE.]

destiny recently said he considers all his previous fights or beefs online reset so he'd probably be a bit more compassionate and apologize if kyle told him he still felt bad about it

[@TwoBears3]

@@LiiRAE. Nice of Destiny to absolve himself of his previous actions. How very generous.

[@Still_Nope]

@@TwoBears3what previous actions?

[@cp3190]

@@Still_Nope He doesn't know what a reset means.

[@tristankelton1706]

​@@TwoBears3 lol not absolving just not holding grudges for years old beef I think a lot of people wud benefit from doing that especially on the left

[@Myndlss1]

If they're breaking the law, lock them all up

[@matthewtaylor5230]

Agreed 💯

[@afridgetoofar1818]

Obama’s drone program killed mostly innocent civilians. You’re cool with locking him up, right?

[@TheBlazersfan22]

Pretty much. Everyone should be held liable for deaths in the middle east

[@BRLambert4]

They weren't having two different conversations at first. Tim was stating that he didn't have a problem if Trump broke the law that he should be charged and if he's guilty then do his time in jail and then they can go after Obama. When Destiny pointed out that he wasn't sure that Obama broke the law that's when Tim changed his goalpost. It is what he does every single conversation whenever his points are challenged.

[@pwns247]

The fact that Tim pool just a few years ago (before he got on Rogan and got a subsequent following and realized he coukd capitalize off of the dumbest of them) called himself a "liberal" is HILARIOUS. I would classify him as "grifiting idiot".

[@danhworth100]

Tim Pool is basically saying that the President can do anything otherwise you have to go after Obama.

[@prerecordedresponse9884]

Someone give Timmy's Beanie another hotdog, he's slippin.

[@gking407]

Tim Pool watches Dave Rubin videos to feel reassured he’s not the dumbest political pundit out there… but damn it’s close.

[@lennoxotieno8481]

I love how there's do diffrence between a sped up conversation of these two and normal one

[@slime8177]

This is a very thoughtful video. Good commentary

[@xq8152]

This was an embarrassment for Tim but I feel Destiny kind of let him off because he was on Tim's show. The audience hated it. Also this is the only argument Tim has. So old.

[@nicholasholden1896]

Tim is just a kyle with beanie

[@waltergrace565]

@@nicholasholden1896 Haha, pretty much.

[@Elgerino]

Destiny was kind of caught off guard during this debate a few times because Tim threw him off with some massive lies, especially around the Trump-Ukraine part. It's very difficult to deal with bad faith interviewers because they've got all their shit prepared, whilst you've got to go completely off memory or rapid smart phone google searches.

[@xq8152]

@@nicholasholden1896 Nonsense. Tim today is calling for Trump to fire all bureaucrats "when" he wins in 24. Kyle would never say that.

[@xq8152]

@@Elgerino Exactly but he still did good pushing back.

[@Madway]

It's annoying when people flip flop between saying they're not making a legal argument and saying person did x bad thing so they should be held legally accountable If you want to make it a moral argument at best you can get is that they did something you morally disagree with. If you want to make a legal argument, you have to argue with or against the (interpretations of the) laws. But I guess I'd have to see the full video (the destiny v tim vid) to see where it went

[@tobibenjamin6097]

Well technically, it’s not legality there is a difference between objective legal structure and opinion, what you believe

[@Landonio]

I can’t think of any worse torture than having to listen to Destiny and Tim Pool talk for 3 hours

[@LENGTHEATER]

5 hours.... Special guest: matt walsh

[@Horatio.Mantooth]

Checkin your mom's dusty snatch was worse. Wipe the dust off won't ya?

[@waltergrace565]

Geez, if Deminem did anything for three hours.....

[@johnpjones182]

How about Destiny and Beanieboy Shapiro?

[@jayk8756]

@@johnpjones182that’s happening late October so

[@michardav]

Even if you're talking about strict legality, the USA is not part of the ICC therefore accordingly it does not violate the law from an American perspective.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

I've tried saying that to some Americans who does not believe me when I say that. It would help massively if America joined the laws but nobody waits around for that one.

[@afridgetoofar1818]

There’s a reason the US isn’t part of the ICC. The US would be the most guilty of all 😂

[@whatsupinspace854]

IIRC, Trump waved away the person coming to seek approval for the strike that killed that 8 year old girl in Yemin with a "Yes, yes, go", because he didn't want his chocolate cake to be interrupted.

[@marin4352]

Vaush and pin tool was great to watch as well. The Charlie Kirk debate was especially satisfying

[@waltergrace565]

Vaush Limbaugh?

[@josephimperatrice5552]

​@@waltergrace565 Fake "Liberal" Tim Pool loses every political debate that he has ever engaged in with a real Liberal!

[@komlat253]

Ein lol

[@julesdalli9716]

For someone with a rock for a brain, Tim Pool moderates well.

[@steveng6704]

That Vaush vs Kirk debate was S tier.

[@DengusK]

I used to think Tim wore the beanie because he was pathetically trying to cover up his baldness, but really he's just trying to keep the brain worms from leaking out.

[@christraeger5090]

I don't think of Tim Pool any differently than I do Alex Jones.

[@tomquirk6767]

They're not meaningfully different anymore for the most part

[@TheOnionEnjoyer]

The katana and flintlock are the dumbest excuse for a "tough guy" decoration

[@hntrbdnspns]

At least he isn't wearing holsters in every episode

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

I think those kinds of symbolism is doing the opposite of the attended meaning of what it's supposed to do.

[@AholeAtheist]

That "I study the blade" energy.

[@keithparker1346]

its too try hard

[@frankbarrie6785]

1 mill!!! Congrats bro! Been watching you since like 2015 or 2016 I think

[@meteor22]

Congratz on yr 1 mil. sub's Kyle. It's been a long road but you finally crossed the threshold.

[@Jesayou]

I don't agree with Destiny on certain things but his logic when it comes to arguments is always top tier

[@beng4647]

It only seems so because he is debating absolute morons.

[@donovan4222]

It really isn’t, the guys just a weird psycho contrarian, but he’s still correct about some things

[@gourdguru]

@@donovan4222 yeah this is typical stopped clock theory in play. destiny is an idiot that's as you said contrarion and conflict seeking, but even a stopped clock is right at least twice. this is two morons bickering, it just so happens one is slightly more with it than the other, possibly just by accident/happenstance. destiny came out on top here, but i'd have preferred both of them just shut the hell up and not waste data storage on this discussion, since this is really just drawing eyes to tim pool more than actually adding velocity to the discussion at hand.

[@ilovetosmile]

@@donovan4222 😢 contrarian is when i dont agree

[@Voodooray007]

But Destiny's biggest flaw is that he can't take an L against someone that has more experience in a certain field that he doesn't know anything like KZbinr The Lead Attorney.

[@thadiousmilton]

Tim Pools brain is as smooth as an 8 ball. That's why his last name is "pool".

[@jrpone]

Good lock Obama, and Bush up too, my only question is can we start going after the Senators and House Members who bare responsibility for getting us into these wars as well..

[@nicholasholden1896]

And bernie for voting agianst the will of the people, might be a doubble agent

[@waltergrace565]

ALL of them.

[@nickthompson1812]

How does Tim Pool say “I’m less concerned with legality” and then instantly say “they should be… charged criminally.” Bruh? Criminality directly concerns legality lol.

[@sarahwilliamson5329]

The way I interpreted it: “I’m less concerned with legality”: As they were noting the fact that U.S. law hasn’t made killing people overseas, including American citizens, illegal, Tim believes that people should be more concerned with morality than the legality. “They should be charged criminally”: He is saying despite there not being a law against the above, there should be, and once there are, those presidents should be charged under them. Conclusion. He wasn’t saying that he doesn’t care about the law, and that they should charge someone criminally despite there not being actual laws that they violated. He’s saying until legality matches morality, people should be more concerned with the latter. He’s saying that laws need to be made so the people who he believes should be charged, are charged.

[@VARMOT123]

Wow ! Destiny hated Kyle for a while there but he cleared out all the beefs now it seems like . Hope you both respect each other from now on . Kyle has become more reasonable now than ever

[@eemoogee160]

Leftists should show we have principles by joining conservatives in holding Obama and Clinton accountable for any crimes.

[@waltergrace565]

Leftists? Huh? This is a corporate dem channel.

[@carlosalba7790]

Bush and Cheney need to be priority number 1 for all Americans wanting accountability. Obama and Trump wouldn't have had to deal with that bs if it weren't for them.

[@jaspervanderburgh81]

We already tried for years you can’t be serious,

[@matthanyfiedtano4175]

Lmao the destiny voice speed up 🤣

[@hichaelhighers]

😂

[@Ghoulstille]

Debating Tim Pool is pointless because he doesn't even believe in the things he spouts off on.

[@tomatoes100]

I was just listening and not watching and I could picture Dim Drool doing cartwheels while talking. The mental gymnastics

[@charlottehammond8975]

kyle. i cannot follow that fast of a dialogue giving up now.

[@mattreigada3745]

I think Kyle missed that Destiny and Tool we’re talking about US law. To Destiny’s point, yeah, the Obama case would just be tossed (for better or worse).

[@hmhmhmlol3252]

See here Tim Pool learning in real time why whataboutism is a room-temperature IQ debate tactic.

[@th-3dstudioth-3dstudio16]

Tim pool has the intelctually capacity of moss growing on a rock

[@andresnoneya]

I commend both for actually discussing things amongst themselves! That’s what it is going to take to actually make America and all of us better. Regardless of your politics, we should at least be able to be civil with one another! I hope more podcasts do something similar to this clip.

[@Xmetalfanx]

i mean i dont like tim for making excuses for MURDERING the Iranian General but i do (as a leftist) get what Tim is saying and while they were arguing "legal vs morally bad" (two different points) .... i think they were both civil and just "Chatting" about the issue ... i like that

[@SAHtoshiDude]

Lol Tim’s feelings are hurt. Shame

[@LunaticThinker]

It's immoral when the guy I don't like does it, but it's legal when the guy I like does it.

[@MCWaffles2003-1]

Why hasn’t Kyle been on Tim Poole? I feel like it be one-sided, but it be an eye-opener for the audience.

[@nickrouse8426]

At first I thought it wasn't sped up lmfao I'm like who is this Lefist Ben Shapiro 😂

[@brokenrecord-hu2xr]

Actually Kyle sounds a lot like Ben Shapiro if you speed him up

[@AholeAtheist]

He's actually more of a center right liberal. Calling him a leftist is insulting.

[@nickrouse8426]

@AholeAtheist whatever I just know he's friends with Hasan and that's where my knowledge of Destiny ends lol

[@chrisgenovese8188]

I'm not a fan of Destiny, but he could squash Tim Pool in debate any day.

[@uche007us]

How about we lock both guys up?

[@MrShitthead]

Kyle should cover Mehdi Hassan’s destruction of Matt Taibbi over Matt’s blatant lies on the “Biden Files”. He had him on his show and made Matt look like a complete clown.

[@kieranczyzniejewski2178]

Elden Ring is better than Sekiro

[@kushclarkkent6669]

Did he dye his hair blue just for this interview lmao

[@simplyunknown3549]

He dyed his hair for Charity

[@BlueBeetle1939]

Just to flex that he can

[@HardenJID]

He dyed it for charity but the right has a meltdown always so he’s keeping it for a bit

[@kushclarkkent6669]

@@simplyunknown3549 Ah ok I haven't watched Destiny in years. What was the cause?

[@doodledee3348]

​@@simplyunknown3549 And to trigger the everliving fuck out of conservatives lol

[@SangiovanniOmar]

You had someone watch that whole show? You need whoever does that a raise.

[@thedissidentleftist6997]

Chaotic mess. Even Tim Pool comment section had dissolved into a batch of gibberish as anarchy reigns.

[@canadian97]

Tim Pool, “I’m less concerned with legality” translation: if we don’t change the subject, I can’t win the argument.

[@abshaheen5713]

Let’s gooooo Destiny content coming through!

[@WarningBFG-isHiring]

He’s a Biden simp centrist liberal.

[@tylerhackner9731]

They both make me laugh

[@Raussl]

I'm not familiar with both, since I'm not big on online personalities and I'm not even from the US, but that Pool guy was moving that goal post as if it was a walking stick. At no point was his argument even remotely sane or even relevant to the topic. On the other hand the other dude simply pointed out obvious inconsistencies...anybody with 2 brain cells could see anyway. They are both probably clowns, but in this short segment, Pool was the idiot clown for sure, not even debateable.

[@jaidev777]

I think the term you are looking for is "fallacy of relative privation" (aka "appeal to worse problems"). It's a form of whataboutism that is not merely about distracting from or playing false equivalency with an issue - but rather about both asserting that the other issues are bigger and therefore _excuse the current issue being addressed_ (although, those effects are welcome by most whatabouting in general). Whataboutism: "Yes I know you like to talk about Jan 6th, but what about Hunter Biden? What about transgender? What about CRT?" Fallacy of relative privation: "Yeah fine a Trump loyalist broke into Pelosi's home and mauled her husband with a hammer, but it's not like we live in North Korea so stop whining."

[@cjh.1920]

Tim: “That’s a good point-“ then proceeds to go down a different direction. 🥴

[@williammanket1132]

Kyle you may be a lefty, but your argument to me is more of a Centrist. You are the most unbiased KZbinr of all time. I've been watching you for a while and I see you more of a centrist than a lefty.

[@leonconnelly5303]

He doesn't just dismiss conservatives points because their Conservative if they say something he agrees with hell admit it

[@sensible1163]

He self describes as an "international centrist".

[@RaaagePoop]

Kyle, how could you possibly help platform Destiny? I mean even if Destiny is incredibly intelligent, and is near impossible to beat in discourse there are still some extremely problematic elements that go hand in hand with the Destiny name. Sure Destiny was the original political streamer, if not the original streamer in general and is largely responsible in helping create the debate bro community as it’s known today. But when we talk about Destiny, we must talk about the most obvious and heinous crime you could think of. And that ofcourse………. Is that Destiny is a girls name

[@goldfishninja1]

We weren't at war with Afghanistan when Trump dropped the MOAB, Tim. Definitely killed innocents in that mountain range.

[@ChristopherHaws90]

I usually listen to shows one 1.5 speed and apparently so does Kyle. These guys were talking so fast 🤣

[@shaunhable]

Well crap... I may have to go watch that whole episode... If anyone can keep up with Tim's fast talk BS its Destiny. Even in that short clip Tim was getting his ass handed to him. I may have to go watch some more of that lol.

[@joeymac4302]

I don't think I've ever seen Tim come off strong with a debate. He doesn't understand how to formulate a coherent argument. Basically, it's feels- anecdote- Proud "gotcha" look. He doesn't even get that Sam Seder said "I don't care", as opposed to "I don't understand". It's amazing how someone can be so confident while being so wrong. I guess that's the lesson of Dunning and Krueger's work.

[@harijotkhalsa9496]

Pool was begging for one of the most decisive dunks in political commentary history but destiny missed it. Yes Tim Obama should be held accountable for the death of the teenage US citizen AND Trump should be held accountable for the death of that same citizens 9 year old sister.

[@waltergrace565]

Ah, you missed it. "May have been" in the first line of the article.

[@chaunceystewart9960]

Tim Pool is not right-wing.

[@bradonchristian6017]

Tim pool definitely isn't right wing.

[@fredthenomad4078]

I wish destiny and kyle could talk it out. I watch both of them.

[@The_universal_cynic]

Kyle, you said his name wrong. It's Tim tool

[@davidbateleur8357]

Tim Pool is definiteley NOT rightwing lol Hes the definition of Centrist. Hes pro-choice, against the death penalty, anti-war, pro medicare for all and yet hes also pro-gun.

[@vanish23-or5fz]

My humble tribute to the algorithm.

[@VDxVicious]

“Center left” 😂

[@JoesSmirkingRevenge]

centre left is socdem which is destiny

[@VDxVicious]

@@JoesSmirkingRevenge I’m aware , just thought it was funny the way Kyle said it . Because he recognizes that it’s a ridiculous idealogical position in relation American politics.

[@1massboy]

@@JoesSmirkingRevenge He’s not social Democratic. Did you not see The video with Kyle and destiny on Hassan piker’s show. Destiny is basically a virtue signaling Liberal on social issues. And a complete neoliberal slash Reaganite on economic issues. Destiny is not the friend of the left whatsoever. Especially people who are concerned with economics

[@JayD73]

@@VDxViciouswhat do you mean it’s ridiculous?

[@1massboy]

@@VDxVicious Well what are you gonna do about it people are gonna label you no matter what. By the way from my understanding Destiny it’s not center left. When it comes to Social issues for the most part he’s a milk toast Liberal. But more importantly she is a Reaganite rightwinger when it comes to economic issues especially outsourcing.

[@HorrorGuru407]

I actually like Destiny I found his stuff from tik tok.

[@thetitsarefree]

This is not about “points”. This is about who can speak the fastest

[@anna-mariepellett4362]

🦋 Hopefully, this will set a precedence for the future and elected officials on all levels can start thinking a little more seriously about their own behavior and decisions they make and maybe we could make it a practice to hold them accountable for a change and keep holding them accountable.

[@mhearte8038]

I like how you didn’t even explain the Obama situation. You just glossed over it.

[@markg1727]

Because he’s a Dem hacktivist so he just repeats talking points and carries water for Obama and Biden

[@waltergrace565]

Deminem style.

[@Nuisance_]

Kyle been ducking that destiny smoke for like 2 years

[@HardenJID]

Remember only after Kyle self proclaimed himself as “the Michael Jordan of debating” lmao

[@Nuisance_]

@@HardenJID cdfu he really said that? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@cliftongibson9456]

I would avoid him too if he just randomly attacked my dead dad after they been friends for a while. It’s wild that dgg thinks that shits ok.

[@garfieldGG]

@@HardenJIDI remember this…boy do I remember this 😂. Absolutely hilarious

[@garfieldGG]

@@cliftongibson9456that’s not what happened

[@erikbuchanan4648]

Was the entire debate speed up for this video? It felt like they were both doing their best Ben Shapiro imitations with a little speed thrown into the mix.

[@yngstunna101]

I think we should come together sue the government over the authorization act.

[@frank_6298]

Obama didn’t break a law in bombing those children 😂. That’s the worst take I’ve ever heard

[@HardenJID]

What law did he break?

[@juanguevara2846]

Bro it’s considered a war crime, end of story.

[@HardenJID]

@@juanguevara2846 no it wasn’t dumb ass

[@zainkazi8189]

Why not? Seems you believe you can bomb innocent American citizens as President with no consequences

[@nnguy0398]

Surprisingly, this is one of the rare W takes I've heard from Destiny

[@kev792]

Wait really? Bro has Ws all the time in my opinion.

[@doodledee3348]

​@@kev792 Kyle's audience is comprised of terminally online lefties who think participating in the electoral system is a waste of time.

[@leonconnelly5303]

@@kev792 he debates the most pointless shit imaginable lol, of course you win when you debate nonsense

[@toddodell70]

There is no argument with people like Tim Pool, or the right in general, who decide what reality is to agree with their "points". Also the right, those who get upset when anyone critiques the military for doing exactly what Tim is so upset when Obama does it.

[@100popsongs]

WHY ARE WE NOT WATCHING THIS AT NORMAL SPEED

[@KingWizard04]

Where's the clip of them actually debating the indictment?

[@custos3249]

No shit, right? We get Dim Tool doing the usual Obama whataboutism that's STILL getting free rent in republican minds, and Destiny failing to say "ok, but seeing as that's irrelevant to Trump's indictment, how about we focus on Trump's indictment?"

[@mickeficks]

You can easily destroy Tim's argument by pointing out Obama didn;t do anything other than give approval for a military operation. I'm surprised Destiny let that softball slip by.

[@lisaammerman9846]

How are they talking so fast? Is the footage sped up?

[@cmeyers514]

How is Tim so dumb? “I’m not talking about legality. I think he should be criminally charged”. How do you think you do that Tim? Criminally charged in the court of opinion?

[@andresvargas8005]

Lol, why does Tim Pool still debate people? He’s always getting killed by everyone I see him debate. Grifter are going grift I guess