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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode.
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[@pretary1845]

Holy cow, he actually hit a Million.... I'll be honest, I truly thought it would never happen, it seemed like somebody froze it where it was.. Congrats big guy. It's been a long road together.

[@franksir5528]

He now has to fist fight David Pakman

[@Jerico195]

Didn't you hear? The guy at youtube responsible for freezing accounts subs got fired. 😂

[@yegfreethinker]

@@Jerico195 Seriously or you just making a joke?

[@sweetdezzy100]

"together" what the fuck did you do

[@johnd3687]

​@yegfreethinker seriously. It was me. I'm now looking for a new job freezing other things

[@JazztheGoose]

Dude you almost single-handedly pulled me out of the alt right pipeline several years back. Congrats on a millions subs!

[@Nastara]

Seriously Kyle stopped me from sympathizing with incels and other creeps big time I am glad I actually asked myself to research actual policy and found I’m incredibly left leaning

[@GeorgeEugeneBarrett]

@@Nastara - so now you sympathize with gender groomers and race baiters?

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

Vaush did that for me.

[@mystbunnygaming1449]

Can you pinpoint where the turning point was and what exactly convinced you to change course?

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Anytime I see a comment like this, I just assume the person has an IQ below 100. Y'all literally just choose sides based on who made you feel better.

[@hermeticmoth]

What a great Michael Brooks quote! "Be kind to people. Be ruthless to systems" Imagine if we all had just a tiny bit of Michael's balanced thinking. Great piece, Kyle.

[@whitewhale9012]

Brooks didnt do that though. He simped for systems, and constantly lied about people he disagreed with.

[@hermeticmoth]

@@whitewhale9012 sorry bruv, all I can hear is his perfectly timed, brilliant laugh ringing in my head as I read that 🙃 nothing made Michael laugh harder than the blatantly ridiculous.

[@whitewhale9012]

@@hermeticmoth He must have listened to himself when he needed a laugh. His idea of blaming 'systems' was just blaming people and groups... often based on immuteable traits. Never the centralized authority.

[@fonzarelly3154]

R.I.P. Mikey I miss DAT dude 😎

[@RagingKabuto]

​@@whitewhale9012 thank you for providing that bit of humor. It was greatly appreciated.

[@somethingsinlife5600]

I lean towards Anna's position. Most people will not listen if you come in too hard at them. Defence mechanisms take over and reason goes out the window.

[@jamespower5165]

Cenk's position is being misrepresented here. What he's saying is that whenever Democrats struggle in polls they always roll over on cultural issues and advise voters to do the same thing. They don't hold firm on the cultural issues and then push hard on economic issues. Converting people on cultural issues is going to be hard. And as Cenk says, the battle with Conservatives will last a long time. Instead of trying to convert them, give them what they want economically and where they already agree with us. The biggest transphobe will vote for you if you raise his standard of living. We don't have to change Republicans right away. Focus on economic issues where they already agree and don't concede ground on cultural issues when you know you're right

[@somethingsinlife5600]

@@jamespower5165 Well from what I saw in this clip, Anna made more sense. Also, no the biggest transphobes will not vote with you if you make their lives better. They've been trained to hurt themselves and vote against their own interests while being proud of it. As the saying went "They'd rather be killed by a white man than saved by a black man", they'll act the same way towards LGBTQ people.

[@cactaceous]

It did not work for Hillary. It was her nail in the coffin.

[@Kurtvileseggnog]

Same, generalizing all of their voter base isn't helpful, like yeah some of them can't be reasoned with and are absolute bigots, but some of them can be and we need to be putting the message out there

[@KanLuxiang]

Ana focuses on areas of agreement. Cenk focuses on the hypocrisy of conservative "values". She is saying more what conservatives want to hear and he is saying more what liberals want to hear. So she is prob better at converting conservatives, but he is better at retaining liberals. If we only framed issues to be appealing to conservatives, I would lose my mind at never pointing out their hypocrisy. So both are necessary.

[@noodlehoppa7212]

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - LBJ.

[@aboutthat1440]

I think about this quote relatively often. It's a so true.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

Ironically wokeness is the inverse. Racial politics is so strong.

[@markzuckergecko621]

​@@Aaron-kj8dv not really, wokeness is the same thing as white supremacy except they pretend to be "the good guys". The only reason you would think minority groups need help from the government is if you believe they're inferior to the majority group.

[@KazeShikamaru]

Bro was so racist.

[@bluecoffee8414]

​@@aboutthat1440 I mean, FDR's racism against blacks and Asians was so appalling that even his own wife was shocked by it. FDR literally wrote a college paper arguing that black people are not fully human but "semi-beasts." He absolutely HATED Asians and wrote about his absolute disgust at seeing mixed race children. He said he had never seen a mixed race Asian that wasn't "a most unfortunate specimen." He literally threw hundreds of thousands of legal Japanese citizens in concentration camps and laid the groundwork for nuking Japan. I'm Swedish. I doubt even 1% of leftist Americans know that for most of their history, the Scandinavian social democrats were full throated eugenicists. I'm not talking "some unfortunate quotes." I mean the Swedish social democrats were full on into scientific raciam, ironically often clashing with Swedish lutherans who thought race caregorizations were contrary to the church. Sweden opened the world's first "race biological institute" in Uppsala Sweden, with the explicit mission to "perfect the aryan race." This was enacted by the Social democrat government led by Hjalmar Branting. "The ambition was to make Sweden a leader in this new modern field, which was described as crucial for public health. It would make it possible to trace hereditary diseases and prevent them from spreading, and would study and counteract the harmful effects of mixing what were perceived as superior and inferior ‘races’. Arguments were drawn from the animal and plant kingdoms. Artur Engberg, who ten years later would become Minister of Education and Ecclesiastical Affairs, with ultimate responsibility for the Swedish school system, pointed out, for example, that: “It is remarkable that while we are extremely concerned about the pedigrees of our dogs and horses, we show no interest at all in considering how to preserve the integrity of our own Swedish people.” Heredity was in vogue as the principal explanatory model for human characteristics. Talk about the different value of different races provoked few protests in this context, such ideas being long established, particularly because of colonialism and the slave trade. Moreover, the rediscovery of Mendelian genetics in 1900 enhanced the scientific legitimacy of these ideas."

[@firecracker3911]

Michael Brooks was the man! Miss him❤

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

His empathy and solidarity was phenomenal. We're so many who misses him.

[@TCt83067695]

The man literally coined the dumb dumb left. I still don't get why he is worshiped after all this time smdh

[@whitneygirl704]

Every time I put on an old Majority Report video and I see Michael Brooks, it pulls on my heartstrings. I wish he was still with us

[@521tess]

"Be kind to people. Be ruthless to systems." -Michael Brooks. Great quote. We all miss him.

[@blackphillip564]

Michael's weird Marxist spiritualism kinda made me look at him askance.

[@dinobotpwnz]

I was already on the Kasparian / Brooks side. But when she said "Justice Democrats do nothing" that was just the icing on the cake.

[@CJ16055]

Im 33 today n agree with Cenk n think m gettin old...

[@Dru2037]

I agree with Cenk

[@khosani1726]

@Tim Romanal Cenk also says Justice Democrats have been a disappointment and frequently criticizes them.

[@robertedwards3980]

I remember watching a couple wrongly evicted from a Trump property, but was still voting for him. How can you reason with these people.

[@insightfulhistorian1861]

You need to separate TFG cultists from the voters who are on the fence and are swayed to Trump by the fake populism. Like Ana said, there are millions of people who voted for Obama and Trump, and there is a REASON for that, their disgust with the status quo. That being said, I think she is foolish to think that many conservatives will be receptive to the left if we try to persuade them on economic issues. Most of them already see us as an existential threat no matter what we say. It all comes down to whether they have any rational instincts left.

[@ARJaymusic]

Some of them you can't but some are gettable, my friend voted Trump in 2016 but not 2020 and his politics evolved from a right winger to more of an enlightened centrist and even left on some issues. Some will always be tfg but there's at least 20-30 percent of people that are gettable and that can decide an election

[@bfsgman]

@@ARJaymusic If by "decide an election" you mean getting people to switch from voting Republican to Democrat, what does that actually accomplish? I agree there are people on the right who are gettable, but having them switch over to the Democratic Party won't accomplish anything since the Dems support the same corporate and militaristic interests as Republicans. That's why I find many Dems to also be "tfg" because they can't be convinced to vote third party and stop being blue MAGA.

[@MrTambourineMan.]

Remember Russiagate? Remember all the people who voted for Biden because he would help the black community? And erase loan debt? Sometimes there is no reasoning. People pick their side. Politics is also plural. There’s more than one policy or issue that exists. You might not like policy a person has and love another policy of theirs

[@dutchvonrichardson]

@@ARJaymusicThe onus is on me with Trumpists, I have not the patience to explain to a grown person how a clear grifter is grifting you and calling himself an outsider and you can’t see through that. He’s an outsider in purely technical terms, he came into money, sure he’s not on the Bush, Kennedy, or Roosevelt level, but at the same time I know he’s not serving any jail time (the worse thing that sucks about our political and legal system is how predictable it is, this dude who was a former “President” isn’t even gonna worry about going to prison, I’d bet my life on it how confident I am he won’t see ANY jail time) like at all for his many egregious crimes against the state, we save those punishments for poor people in the United States. I’m no hater of our country, just call a spade a ♠️

[@b4krr]

Cenk is uniquely capable of having his own mind changed while in the most hostile & confrontational environments. And wrongly assumes others can do the same. But most people have a backfire effect

[@ohmygollywow]

Idk how he isn't just like 🫦 as Ana yells at him. 😂

[@UndertheNeedle282]

This is incredibly accurate but unless you're a loyal tyt watcher you won't get it.

[@MystLunarabne]

I mean the thing also is that there are other people like him and the question "So you support criminals then?" probably can get through to a decent amount of right-wingers and at least make them stop and think "oh yeh they actually are criminals" rather than just overlook it becuase they're on the same side but Anna is also right that a lot of other will be able to see how that question is also kinda disingenous. And also the idea of only attacking politicians or people is also dumb,like you obviously do bothjust againwith different techniques really the entire flaw is their argument seems to be the premise that there is somehow one universally correct way of doing things.

[@b4krr]

@@ohmygollywow Ana does a clever thing by saying "you L O V E strawmaning" cause she's using his exact technique to try to get through to him lol

[@popegeorgeringo840]

​@b4krr To be fair, he does do it a lot. I'm an avid TYT watcher and I think I have a pretty good grasp on his mindset at this point, but he really could stand to do a little bit of reflecting on his tactics. Another thing to note: Cenk talks frequently about being shamed out of his previously held conservative positions, so I get why he thinks it could work for others. I think that's just another common pitfall of our human tendency to assume others do or can think like ourselves.

[@yeahok728]

I grew up conservative, but you were one of the first left leaning people to pull me out of it about 9 years ago. I think coming from a very conservative town, with so many of my friends growing up to not be, I definitely think people (especially under 25) can be pulled to the left. Outside of winning elections, I think it’s a net good in general because progressivism tends to promote more a empathetic and community focused ideology than conservatism, which is just better for society.

[@X2LR8]

Growing up in a large very very blue city made me a Conservative in part.

[@avinashreji60]

@@X2LR8 lol, American cities are not leftists, they are center-left or maybe social democratic at best. They fundamentally still ascribe to the logic of Capitalism

[@yeahok728]

@@X2LR8 Lol I’ve heard that from people in the city I’ve moved to a lot. In my opinion, the issue with blue cities is they all have very liberal policies that don’t really fix anything, but I really differentiate that from progressive solutions. for example, Homelessness is a MASSIVE issue in my city and up until recently they were allowed to camp out anywhere. Conservative voters wanted the camps gone but don’t care where they go, the liberal local politicians mostly wanted the homeless to still be able to camp out, but do nothing to help them. Progressive voices wanted to help fund ways to help the homeless where they could get back on their feet and wouldn’t need to be camping on the streets. So i can understand why liberal policies can look bad, because i think some are very bad, but I also think that progressiveness looks very different than traditional “blue” areas

[@X2LR8]

@@yeahok728 I think there is truth to what you say. I've seen tents all over the place on many cities. In the big scheme of things, it really doesn't cost all that much to house homeless and provide mental health and substance abuse counseling as needed. As for me I live in a city and state with the highest tax burden in the entire country. It doesn't fall on the wealthy. Everyone is hit with sky high taxes and fees and much of that money goes to fund the most underfunded pension system in the nation instead of things that help the people. There's also really bad revolving door "justice" here where violent criminals are given slaps on the wrist and let out in no time at all to re-offend. Many areas are really unsafe. Let the drug "criminals" out and lock up the real violent ones. That would really improve the general outlook on that front.

[@yeahok728]

@@X2LR8 No I 100% agree with that, I think it’s where a lot of blue areas fail. I think we should work on real rehabilitation and prevention for violent crime and I don’t really believe we should be jailing people harshly, if at all, over non-violent crimes. But I def think blue cities are failing by being easy on violent crime, that’s definitely fair

[@Longknife]

Ana's right. Probably the least respected, most underreported psych study: facts don't change opinions, respect *does.* The human ego is incredible, and we hate admitting when we're wrong. If two people debate an issue, they're not just debating said issue, but sadly often "debating" who is better and who is more intelligent. This is why you get people fighting tooth and nail over issues and getting really personal when it isn't necessary. But if you give your opponent an out, if you approach them with respect and approach it more with an attitude of "hey man, I get a feeling someone fed you bad info, but I know you're smart enough to decide for yourself when given other studies saying the opposite too. Check these out" as an example, then you're far more likely to change someone's mind. This disarms them and they don't feel like they have to defend their ego against you, so they approach the issue open-minded. Best example of this is Darryl Davis, the black man who befriends and converts Ku Klux Klan members. If he were out on the street screaming at a racist for being a monster, then guess what: the black people call them monsters, the KKK members pat them on the back and say "you're amazing." Take a guess who they end up flocking to. What Darryl Davis understands is that if you kill them with kindness, they find themselves in an awkward position where continuing to hang out with someone they like means abandoning their morals, and this makes them question said morals entirely. The *entire reason* the US political climate is so toxic is because we've lost respect. No one talks to their political opponents as if those are well-meaning people with different life experiences and thus different opinions, but rather they speak to each other as if the other side is nothing but unforgivable total idiots. All this does it intensify the vitriol each side has, so it's important that *everyone* stops. I mean, take a look at the frequency of Nazi accusations in the 90's (not unheard of, not common) to Nazi accusations in the 2000's (fairly common) to Nazi accusations now. (nonstop; the term has entirely lost meaning and if an actual Nazi popped up in US politics, most of us would miss it under the assumption that the guy's political opponents are just exaggerating again) Things are getting worse, not better, and we need to change the tone of our political discussions before anything'll change.

[@the0nlytrueprophet942]

Cenk needs to look into neurology and negotiations and he would see he’s completely wrong. You won’t logic them out of their feelings

[@redemptionhappens7725]

I love this! If you would please link to the study. I’m a psych nurse and I love delving into studies like that.

[@reedcampbell9]

Ana’s stance on crime has actually evolved into something both sides would agree on

[@420JackG]

What crime are you talking about specifically?

[@Anthony_MD]

She actually has a right wing position on crime

[@bubba6989]

​@@Anthony_MD she has the RIGHT position on crime. Most of us who live in inner cities are sick of it.

[@anthonychrisbradley]

@@Anthony_MD So do most left-wingers, when you dig deep.

[@wilddynamine8017]

@@bubba6989nah not really. Ana clearly has a personal bent to this, I wonder if she blames Gascon for a crime that was committed against her or someone she knows.

[@tonytooshort]

I understand Anna's point of 'are we convincing anyone with this attitude'. My argument is there are many folks past 'convincing'.

[@DaveTadros]

But if you focus on the many people that aren’t past convincing, you can win. Policy that helps everyone wins. It’s the piecemeal that Democrats offer that lose elections.

[@lachousalle31]

It seems clear to me that Ana is now trying to convince those people by pivoting to the right on certain topics. She thinks she can bring them over by saying things that Ben Shapiro will agree with her on. It's gross what she's doing. Not only is she saying things that are wrong but she's being disingenuous by saying things that she might not even believe for the sake of converting people.

[@Shark-hn4mv]

And...? Many isn't most.

[@mountainsky4279]

@@Shark-hn4mv But the many is enough for the left to have the right to ditch people on the fringes. The moderates and even solid conservatives can be turned into leftists.

[@za-ir5ni]

You realize this attitude is why most of the country is not with the left right? It's cringe to the average person.

[@salvatorejdotjr]

Is it just me or is Kyle physically morphing into Joe Exotic right before our eyes

[@USS_Sentinel]

He still has that Draco Malfoy hair.

[@austinm7738]

LMFAO creates a second KZbin channel for his out of context clips called “Kyle Exotic”

[@kamikarmy]

Let's donate some kitties to Kyle to complete the transformation.

[@wildhias6195]

he is transforming he used to look like a lesbian softball coach (not that there is anything wrong with that) now he looks like a gay dude (not that there is anything wrong with that)

[@blackphillip564]

I have no idea how this guy shops for clothes. How does your frontal cortex allow you to take that shirt home after paying his subscribers hard earned money on that mess?

[@ocmetals4675]

I was a registered republican for 17 years. It’s channels like this one that helped me for figure out what were my real politics. But I don’t know how much it would have helped to be called stupid or be told I loved criminals back then.

[@Libbathegreat]

It's not helpful, any more than saying all gay people are groomers is helpful from the other side. I think it's meant to be hyperbolic on purpose in response to all the "law and order" talk from Republicans and accusations that Dems are soft on crime. It's Cenk looking at Trump and saying " _This_ is your law and order guy? ". But Cenk needs to do a better job of considering who is audience is, which has been the case for a long time.

[@michaelarmijo4112]

​@@Libbathegreat Oh cenk knows who makes him millions, so does Kyle, Dave and sam.Sam.. Something you guys never talk about. Like their not driven by the money. Each channel has their own beliefs and the four I just mentioned are to happy to feed them.

[@Libbathegreat]

@@michaelarmijo4112 What are you talking about? You seem to have missed the point of what I said entirely. Who are the "you guys" you think you're speaking to? 😆

[@michaelarmijo4112]

@@Libbathegreat Lol , you don't know what I'm talking about? Here, cenk knows who his fans are. ?????? You don't understand ? can't help that.

[@Libbathegreat]

@@michaelarmijo4112 I can't help that your communication skills are sub par, so I shan't waste any more time trying to decipher your drivel. Have a blessed day 😘

[@LloxieFox]

This is a frustrating one because I technically agree with Ana but I also very much understand where Cenk is coming from, and the fact is we absolutely cannot afford to give a millimeter (or even appear to) on those social issues. Peoples' LIVES are at stake here. And while I fundamentally agree on the idea of "Lets work together where we agree", I don't blame people for being wary of it. You can never trust someone who literally denies your basic humanity. We can't treat those issues as mere "diSaGreEmEntS". And it's especially horrendous to tell the very people whose existence is constantly under threat that they should play nice with the people threatening them for the sake of some admittedly, yes, important economic issues.

[@JamesSomersetActor]

They seemed to be agreeing more than they realised Damn I miss Michael Brooks

[@breath888]

That was how I felt watching them. Cenk and Michael Shure do this a lot too, raging on the same side lol. Since I'm in the eastern time zone, I've been enjoying the earlier shows lately. The network is so much more diverse now and very enjoyable.

[@tarun1982]

Brooks was a coward who never debated.. only made videos mocking people who triggered him. Loser!

[@gnova7]

yeah and he wanted to run for office too i miss him

[@WilliamJames48]

Love for Michael Brooks. He was with us. We’re all in this together.

[@theoneandonly7019]

it wasnt even the majority report

[@bp6421]

Rest in power Michael Definitely part of my political awakening

[@juniorgod321]

Nah! He was a communist who praised the Fidel Castro’s regime!

[@hurmur9528]

Brooks was far better than many of the progressives in the media. He actually knew what he was talking about. Especially foreign issues where the progressives sucks monkeyballs.

[@popegeorgeringo840]

​@@theoneandonly7019Kyle references him saying "be kind to people and ruthless with insitutions" to sum up Ana's point.

[@mangogoat4691]

I never listen to people who call me a fucking idiot, it’s a lack of respect. People can have opinions for loads of reason, low intelligence is rarely the reason. Culture and upbringing is biggest factor, so talking to people like PEOPLE is the best way to get them on your side

[@greghauser742]

You get it.

[@DougDimmaDab]

7:46 I love that because they work together he has to admit he immediately straw manned her argument for the second time Lol. The most good faith, bad faith argument 9:30 Rest In Power Michael Brooks

[@sbz88]

Neither of them can persuade right wing voters to do anything.

[@Anthonycheesman33]

Not even god could do that shit lol.

[@zentai5076]

nobody can, not even facts or empathy or their own religion.

[@bluecoffee8414]

Ana is slowly losing respect for Cenk (and much of the left). I'm sure she has personal affection for him. But the magic is gone. She sees him more clearly now. To quote Ana, Cenk is "purposely inflammatory and ridiculous" and someone who "LOVES to strawman. LOVES straw-manning and INTENTIONALLY misrepresenting." Not my words. Ana just told that to Cenk to his face. Ben Mankiewics once told Cenk the same thing years ago in a moment of rage. Heres the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/boDKho16l8hrj5I

[@retroboomer3197]

To be fair, nobody can. Right wing voters are delusional and live in another reality built on lies and they love being lied to. They have zero interest in living in reality. Whether it be sky fairies that grant their wishes or time traveling space wizards or Hunter Biden's laptop.

[@EasyWinking]

@@zentai5076 B I N G O

[@talyahr3302]

I watched this debate live on TYT. It was obvious to me that Ana was largely correct and it made me like TYT more, which I've had a huge issue with them since FTV.

[@1lifeonearth]

waht is FTV?

[@TheLastLineLive]

Ftv?

[@jimbob-robob]

F T V...???

[@edwardojeda3152]

@@1lifeonearth Force the vote

[@1lifeonearth]

@@edwardojeda3152 what was force the vote about again? I forgot

[@jjms7167]

Ana is 1000% right on this one. You're not convincing anyone by insulting them.

[@mrlukeisspeaking4391]

It's pointless either way.

[@420JackG]

We are all pro-Ana. Red Scare gang.

[@Reclaimer77]

And she should know. That disgusting cave-troll has hurled more insults than anyone else.

[@jimbob-robob]

US voters must all be becoming Democrat then (they aren't)... the GOP insult EVERYBODY...

[@balthorpayne]

With Cenk. Its been 3 years now and I have learned that you can't persuade a swath of people. You be hardline and set the clear boundaries. We can't always be fence sitters. It gets us nowhere and nothing happens. People have their own agency even though propaganda is more pervasive than ever. You damn near have to just fight for what you believe is right and assume that others won't come along.

[@allisoncastle]

Exactly. Seems like a lot of people just want to close their eyes and ears to how many Republicans are too far gone.

[@danielebowman]

Yet people like Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball, Saagar Engeti etc do end up convincing people. I'm suddenly lilly Ana's recent takes, she's become less militant and making sensible points that people can fairly engage with. Cenk is still 'meh', blinkered and biased.

[@vanknip4320]

I agree as well. I came to that conclusion since 2014 after seeing how steadfast and hypocritical people are. Just yesterday I encountered this with an ex. The person said that they were an avid Hillary supporter and hated Trump until a friend asked why Trump fell out of favor, was it because of something Trump said or did or just because the media said to hate him. The ex listed the Mexican comments. The person then claimed the ex was being propagandized. Ex then claims to have watched the escalator comments and became convinced that Trump was taken out of context and was actually right and just. Saw the media was indeed clipping bits and leaving out the context which showed Trump was always right and righteous. The most lies told during any presidency in American history occurred during Trump's, but not by him, by the media and all Trump haters. Trump made promises when he ran and he accomplished all and then some. He was the greatest and Obama was the worse ever. Why was Obama the worse you might ask. Well because Obama promoted, pushed and normalized LGBT rights and pedophilia. Trump also gave the farmers tons of cash and this made food prices the lowest they have ever been. Every country's welfare increased and this was because of his new god Trump. Black people should worship Trump and used to because Snoop Digg rapped about him back in the day. When I pointed out that Obama in no way did what he said and only signed the bill giving homosexuals the right to wed, Trump had to give the farmers money because he almost bankrupted them with his policies, food prices weren't their lowest, Trump never achieved any goals other than the Muslim ban, gave massive tax breaks to the ultra rich, caused prices of goods to escalate with his tariff policies and such, the ex became incensed. This person never addressed any of the points, but instead started spitting out right-wing talking points. Literally without any context or these having been discussed. Ex yelled: 'who came up with super predators, cosigned the bill saying black people should be jailed longer for crimes than whites, black people play the victim when they complain about getting harsher penalties, who commits the most crime (blacks is the claim), which race gets killed the most by police, where can stats about this be found, etc etc. These were listed, not discussed. I was literally rolling my eyes at the imbecility of this. I said you seem determined to avoid an actual debate and is listing things as if they have anything to do with our conversation. You clearly didn't know anything about these topics and just heard of them from some propagandists. The ex became even more incensed and then claimed I didn't know anything about these topics and needed to Google them. Anyone seeing my comments through the years knows I have argued with people and listed facts for years and talked about literally all of these things the ex screamed, while providing proof for my views. I simply directed the ex Google me . Of course the ex won't check out my online profile. It would mean I know more than the ex on these topics and was right, proving the ex wrong. These Trump morons need to stay in their bubble, they don't care to be confronted with facts. When people choose to be dumb, ignorant and hypocritical, there is no reasoning with them. Period! They aren't helpless. They aren't victims. It's a conscious choice.

[@szahmad2416]

Then you've lost already. End of story. But the fact is, with all due respect, you're wrong. Ana illustrated why: a lot of Bernie voters voted Trump. A lot of OBAMA voters voted Trump. This swathe of people you CAN persuade. There's definitely boundaries to be set. Bernie set them when he went to Liberty University and politely but firmly defended his stance on abortion. You can do it in a way that makes those people respect you, or you can continue trying to smash them to bits. And if they won't respect you regardless, that's the time to turn away from them, not hyper-focus on them.

[@superdupeninja8149]

Agreed

[@GunPowd3rGuru]

I agree with Cenk; the problem I have with Ana's argument is that it removes personal responsibility from voters, if they can be manipulated to the right that means they also can be to the left and what she doesn't realize is that way of thinking preserve the system, it doesn't break it, Cenk approach will.

[@nicholasholden1896]

Cenk has made more right wingers then shapiro

[@FabyGlam]

This is a really great perspective. I agree. Thanks for sharing!

[@imperialstats]

Cenk is just tired of dealing with raging republican comments so he's like f them all lol

[@NM-qd3tm]

Alienating others won't bring them to your side. That's literally never worked. Democrats having a holier than thou attitude and thinking everyone who doesn't think 100% like them is stupid is why we got Bush, and Trump...and probably why a Republican will be our next president.

[@matthewschwartz6607]

@@imperialstats - Why did he get dumped from JD?

[@DanielPlainsight]

I would like to thank myself for contributing towards Kyle's 1 million subs. It's one of my biggest accomplishments, and I couldn't be more proud of myself.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

You're welcome! 😊

[@dam11232]

Subscribing to a channel?

[@teugene5850]

hey man... stop stealing my jam... lol

[@donnydogpiss4533]

I drank hot chocolate out of a boot.

[@screenarts]

Kyle is on the golf course now thanks to you.

[@MystLunarabne]

Impressive that they both manage to be wrong and also right at the same time.

[@richardmark9161]

“Only a fool fights in a burning house“ is one of my favorite lines from the original 1960s Star Trek series. Ironically this line was uttered by Kang portrayed by Michael Ansara, a Commander of the reoccurring antagonist of the entire series, the Klingons in an episode, titled Day of the Dove. An extremely powerful non-corporeal being brings the Enterprise and a Klingon ship in direct conflict with one another for its own purposes. Sound familiar? This episode is directed by Marvin J. Chomsky who is… You guessed it… The cousin of Noam Chomsky.

[@fintan9218]

Hey, Richard thanks for that added context to the line and episode i never knew that.

[@richardmark9161]

@@fintan9218 I have always liked that particular line from that episode and I reference it from time to time but the Marvin J. Chomsky thing really blew my mind. ☀️ 🕊️ 🖖🏼

[@plotlinevideo3719]

One of the main standards I get any Right wing person to agree to whenever I engage in discussion is the fact that the issues in our country are a disagreement between the top and the bottom, NOT the Left and Right . When we start from that agreement, we discover we have much more in common than we imagined. Even the ridiculous “culture war” BS is mostly defeated by this premise directly out of the gate. It makes for much more agreeable circumstances as the foundation of the debate and also cause the other person to reevaluate some of their own political beliefs.

[@bloo9699]

Ana's far more sensitive to hyperbole against the right since her appearance on Ben Shabeebo's show.

[@cmcg1190]

Awesome accomplishment Kyle... A well deserved one million subs!

[@jonathanfrederick9645]

The problem is... All the "other stuff" isn't just noise to the right wing. It's the force that drives them

[@Navy35]

99% of conservatives don’t hate gays. They just don’t want anything sexual ( gay or straight) taught to young kids or obviously males using women restrooms. Now they are called homophobic. The same with our borders being overwhelmed and people having to compete with illegals for jobs that artificially surprises wages. Now they are called xenophobic. If you don’t believe in dividing people through CRT and telling white people that they are inherently evil then you’ll be labeled racist. This is why no sane person ( unless you are extremists or self loathing white) can support what liberals preach. I suppose if you are against outsourcing jobs to foreign workers then that makes you xenophobic?

[@tobysmith2081]

It's not noise to leftists either. Most leftists acknowledge "all the other stuff" society needs other than wealth. I doubt Kyle will never get it though. He thinks throwing money at anything will fix the problem because we've gone past discrimination as a society. I.E. the "End of History" theory. He has that in common with neoliberals/conservatives like the Clintons and Bushs

[@skoolboi9901]

Exactly, “moderate” republicans and the TFG have the same ideas and agree.

[@vinnym5607]

Ana knows this, hence the TERF tweet.

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

I agree with that completely. Around here, in South Dakota, they are terrified of "transexual athletes, BLM, Antifa, Gay People and Big Gubment Libs" . It's all culture war garbage. And it NEEDS to be fought! They need to have their evil idiocy rubbed in their faces. Or it'll just fester and brew and go underground and result in another Trump. This needs to be fought here, and now. And no farther back.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Gotta say it was a good spirited one and both made good points

[@leanonme1065]

Let's be honest, Cenk attitude sometimes is way off

[@jeffroberts6428]

@@leanonme1065 he was super respectful to Ana, just a loud passionate delivery

[@markzuckergecko621]

Good lord people still unironically watch TYT? That would be like watching pro wrestling and thinking it's all legit, and not rigged.

[@gabrielreyes2790]

@@markzuckergecko621 Trump lost the Election bro.....

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@gabrielreyes2790 and how's that working out for everyone? How's your bank account these days, compared to 4 years ago?

[@Parker402]

Just because someone voted for Obama doesn't mean they don't have racist views

[@MrCaelant]

Congrats on 1m subscribers! Big Ups from your neighbour's to the north 🇨🇦

[@brendancostello9777]

Playing the argument back at 1.5X or whatever the speeded up rate is makes it seem like I'm inside Ben Shapiro's brain... make it stop!

[@RedTitan5]

You mean think like terrorist, Taliban, Putin.. that is right wing

[@AntsDrone]

Congratulations on 1 million subs Kyle! Well deserved! Thank you for your common sense takes on the news!

[@masonmurphy4978]

What is a woman

[@daleithgribbleshire2092]

@@masonmurphy4978it’s like a sexy man

[@typhoonic]

@@masonmurphy4978 what's a chair?

[@rbbrlmbo]

@@masonmurphy4978 You’ll find out one day buddy

[@frank_6298]

@@masonmurphy4978 define woke

[@geritheobald7768]

Thank you for reminding us about what Michael Brooks used to say. Miss him.

[@dom2010]

Nice point Kyle. The system is what breaks brains, we just need to get to a point where the public can understand what is best for them and not what politicians pretend what is good for them

[@whitewhale9012]

But kyle simps for the neo liberal central authority. Its amazing how system cogs sell you all on licking boots by telling you its a revolutionary act.

[@wilddynamine8017]

It goes beyond the system, a lot of these people don’t want a multiracial democracy, nor individual rights for women lgbt people, and even non-Christians in general. Most of them can’t be reasoned with

[@PerkiReport]

Kyle vs. Cenk in a hell in the cell match

[@jamesLescobar]

they already disagreed.....kyle used to be invited on tyt.....too different

[@welshgit]

@@jamesLescobar Kyle used to be part of the TYT network, but left because he didn't want to pick sides over Jimmy Dore. It's his decision to stay away.

[@Aboertmann]

Saagar and Krystal interfere, hit Cenk with chairs, and Kyle's lifeless body covers Cenk. Jimmy Dore then comes out and throws Kyle off the cell, setting up their wrestlemania match. Ben Shapiro is special referee. If Kyle loses, all social welfare programs end forever.

[@paltrax]

@Crickett seltzermania coming to a town near you!

[@rsine100]

Cenk said that he wanted to fight Joe Rogan. I'm still waiting for that to happen.

[@MilahanPhilosophersCorner]

Congratulations on the 1 million. I've followed you when you only had under 30k.

[@cmeyers514]

This is why i stopped watching TYT. They’re more and more unhinged and angry with their rhetoric and even Ana sounds more and more like cenk recently so I’m glad she finally called him out on his rhetoric and straw manning. They’ve been doing the thing they claim to hate. They claim the right are the unhinged angry ones while screaming at their audience in unhinged Alex Jones sounding rants. Have some tact and nuance and stop pretending you’re not just as unhinged as the people you’re railing about.

[@Lastnerdbender]

Admittedly to all the comments here, I definitely don’t think these conversations with right wing voters are easy, in fact, they’re challenging. Contrarily, we do get frustrated, and that’s is equally real. But Kyle is right. We either have these conversations, or we’ll keep throwing shit at each other.

[@justindysinger]

It's hard to convince people of things they don't believe in, but I think the best approach is just increasing voter turnout and campaigning in districts/states that swing.

[@JoshuaWillis89]

Yes. Exactly. Any second spent giving af about their feelings is a complete waste of time.

[@greghauser742]

@@JoshuaWillis89 That's exactly what a conservative would say lol

[@FOLIPE]

​@@greghauser742 well they win elections

[@imrankhan-hm2ie]

Good lively debate, both had good points.

[@nicholasholden1896]

Cenk did straw man ana, he is the mean angry leftist the right pretend everyone is

[@erraticspace]

Was it? Regardless of which side I agree with more neither side moved an inch in their belief. It seemed more exasperating that rewarding.

[@agny369]

Who wants to watch people having a shouting match ? That was not a good look for either of them

[@avinashreji60]

@@agny369 what the fuck do you think GOP debates are?

[@buchanfoulsham6314]

"Contempt for the conman, compassion for the conned" is a phrase that's been bounced around quite alot in UK since people were duped into voting for brexit.

[@FOLIPE]

Sometimes the compassion has to have limits too. There's people suffering because the conned often offer other people's heads and are fine with it

[@dianaprince3176]

Nobody was “duped” into voting for Brexit. The stay voters had access to the exact same information that leave voters had. Your electorate is simply hateful, stupid and gullible. Deal with it.

[@idakev]

​​​​​​​@Room237 Jacob Rees-Mogg can't even list material benefits of Brexit. lol. *Everything that was warned about has happened.* Brexit is costing the UK economy £100b a year and causes huge trade problems. *Common sense and being objective were called "Project Fear.* Now all Farage has is excuses and blame. Remember "They'll have to come to us! We have the leverage!!" haha. The arrogance was goofy at the time but also exactly what I'd expect (I'm Irish). The slogans with lies about giving the NHS the money that the UK was paying Europe are so funny in retrospect too - except that the successfully preyed on the fact that most people have a poor understanding of economics outside of their daily lives. *It's a failure because it was always a conjob.*

[@philwill0123]

​@@elliotrodger7714it was a huge con. Oven ready deal? Money back to the NHS? Great renegotiation of our borders? It's little Englanders pining for the empire.

[@marioalosangeles]

See I hate tyt with a passion, but I can listen to Kyle, Jimmy Dore l, Krystal Ball, and a few others that don't spend time calling me names as a conservative voter. I like to hear different perspectives without being told I'm an idiot lol I'm glad Ana has been slowly coming towards a more level headed view. She had a great talk with Ben Shapiro

[@mikertist347]

I think that was an amazing debate. I love their passion and they both made good points.

[@nicholasholden1896]

Cenk must stop doing debates, he is the angry dumb libreal steriotype

[@toilpainter]

Great points, Kyle. What I like about Ana and Cenk is they even each other out. Very entertaining and informative. I miss Michael Brooks.

[@HUGEACT-MAN]

U get your info from TYT, like for real? I hope you're joking

[@watamatafoyu]

She's arguing against a failed tactic, he defends and attacks overly-broadly. Her way works, his doesn't. He just needs to change tactics.

[@fenoglios]

Totally agree. Thank you for putting this so well.

[@Em3ga]

It's not about winning the middle. It's about getting the masses out to vote.

[@frostfree7]

Underappreciated comment.

[@winterfire89]

EXACTLY

[@golgothan]

binary system... both just stoke fear and division Ranked Choice Voting

[@balthorpayne]

This. If you waffle on your position, you don't get to the crux of the matter. The middle might be smaller than we think but the messaging and effort has to be there to actually get your intended audience to vote.

[@TMKing_MS]

"What people want" is a loaded phrase as anyone remotely familiar with manufactured consent and how people can be convinced on anything they aren't familiar with given purposely misleading information.

[@SynthwavelLover]

Oh man you brought up a good problem with statistics.

[@13koolaid]

I feel like Anna is getting more sensible with time.

[@PotatoEsquire]

It's funny hearing them yell compliments at each other

[@HarryJohnson69]

Congrats on 1 M Kyle. You brought me closer to the middle with your fiscal politics. Thanks for everything

[@PutsOnSneakers]

YOU SHOULD ALL BE THANKING ME FOR THAT

[@unusyousuf9506]

​@@PutsOnSneakers hi God👋, can u please do me a favor and end world hunger and cancer

[@PutsOnSneakers]

@@unusyousuf9506 Adam and Eve screwed up so because of them all of you must suffer and prove to me you are worthy of entering heaven where there is no hunger or cancer. but if you fail your test (life) then I will send you to hell for even more torture beyond just hunger and cancer. and there will be no ending to it! but remember I am a loving heavenly father. WORHSIP ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@the.masked.one.studio4899]

Id say that their major difference in communication reflects where they grew up. As far as I understand Cenk (NJ) vs Anna (CA). The way Cenk talks isn’t considered so aggressive from what I’ve seen in NY and NJ. The form of communication is loud and direct (in many neighborhoods). People tell you the truth, often when you don’t want to hear it. It can be shocking but many people appreciate it (myself included). I do like the way you mention Anna’s forward strategic thinking though. I think this is important and I hope that for progress people can start coming together recognizing our common goals (as we have more than not).

[@IcarusLime]

There’s a reason Kyle regularly gets comments from people thanking him for pulling them away from the right wing pipeline while virtually nobody says the same of Cenk. Kyle and Ana are correct on this.

[@jamespower5165]

Worldview converts are rare. But people who will vote a different way aren't. Cenk's position is being misrepresented here. What he's saying is that whenever Democrats struggle in polls they always roll over on cultural issues and advise voters to do the same thing. They don't hold firm on the cultural issues and then push hard on economic issues. Converting people on cultural issues is going to be hard. And as Cenk says, the battle with Conservatives will last a long time. Instead of trying to convert them, give them what they want economically and where they already agree with us. The biggest transphobe will vote for you if you raise his standard of living. We don't have to change Republicans right away. Focus on economic issues where they already agree and don't concede ground on cultural issues when you know you're right

[@alphabetpeople2902]

@@jamespower5165 As a transwoman, why would I fight for universal health care for a transphobe one of which is Ana? I'm with Cenk!

[@blueboi5140]

Has Cenk ever had a conversation where he doesn't strawman someone and then go "I know thats not what your saying."?

[@sensible1163]

I mean Cenk is pretty rough on the base but it's kinda understandable where he comes from. If you try to reason with the Qanon types you're also legitimizing their worldview, at the same time if you don't even talk to them they might not ever have sanity. Idk.

[@apoc519]

We're not trying to reach those people. They are TFG. Fence sitters don't need to hear lefties being assholes

[@adamcornell1186]

It's what socdems can never deal with. They lack a criticism of capitalism based in material conditions that lead to things like a lack of trust in government, conspiracies, etc . They are looking for a reason why their lives are getting worse all the time and are diverted away by well meaning people like Ana and Cenk, from the giant capitalist elephant in the room, staring them in the face.

[@rafes8206]

Disagree, you can reason with people with different beliefs and even convince them otherwise. For example people go through their lives believing different entities control existence and change even those beliefs.

[@Kai-tn4yx]

Most Republicans are not Qanon.

[@ottz2506]

how are you legitimizing their worldview when trying to reason with them?

[@geronimo19611]

I think Cenk speaks from experience after so many years trying to educate people, one has to admit that these are also adults i.e. citizens who first voted Obama and now Trump. What about their accountability ? What does it say about the content of their character ? How can any decent person vote republican in this day and age ? When do you say enough ! Republicans do love criminals. Cenk is totally right

[@DousedInPiss]

The sad part is, you're proving Ana 100% correct.

[@tubafats100]

@@DousedInPiss Ana isn’t being honest. She’s playing naive

[@BlackStar-hy1iy]

​@@DousedInPiss He is right

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@DousedInPiss Explain how

[@rwilson9759]

I vote for Democrats and Republicans what does that make me ?

[@BlueMonkeySky]

Ana is out of her mind nowadays. She has become unbearable man!!! She's also too full of herself. Girl, Cenk is your Boss!!!! Sorry, but you can't talk to your boss like that!!!!

[@tinadavis8160]

Agreeing with Ana this time

[@johndinhnguyen]

Rest in power, Michael Brooks.

[@sirsaltysnell8367]

It is the paradox of intolerance. Cenk is right.

[@nicholasholden1896]

Cenk is the best friend the right can get, he is the angry mean liberal steriotype

[@jasondoolin6476]

This is an intense debate.

[@thorne5072]

The hell is Ana’s problem lately? Civility politics have gotten us nowhere

[@1369Stiles]

as someone who lives in a red state.......its two main things.....party loyalty, and cult of personality. trust me, its impossible to talk to and persuade someone who has already shut their mind off to the other side of the argument.

[@JoshuaWillis89]

It’s unfortunate that those of us in red states aren’t listened to when we tell the blue state political pundits that these people are a lost cause. They’re catering to a phantom at this point.

[@JoshuaWillis89]

Ask a blue-state lefty about Republicans: we should be trying to reach these people. Ask a red-state lefty about Republicans: they’re braindead demons who should be institutionalized.

[@RedTitan5]

I agree.... But their are some who have opened but abandoned by their family

[@1369Stiles]

@@RedTitan5 yes, but in my experience, these are people who are only republicans because they were raised to be, and they already have an ideology that goes against the traditional republican one. they just needed to be free of their families influence. the rest of them are republican not only because they were raised to be, but because they share the same values; in that case, they are in fact tfg

[@BennyNegroFromQueens]

Nah, I agree with Cenk.

[@nicholasholden1896]

A reason right wing channels play clips of cenk, his attitute push more people to the right

[@BennyNegroFromQueens]

@nicholas holden shouldn't have to beg people to vote their self interest. Kissing the ass of white hillbillies is we are in the mess we're in right now.

[@IncredibleStan]

I'm in the camp of fight fire with a bigger flame. I'm with Cenk on this just slightly

[@DousedInPiss]

And watch as the whole house burns down.

[@trevorv9218]

Well Nelson, you are the problem with the USA then. Congrats bra

[@Serocco]

​@@DousedInPiss A house that can be rebuilt

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@DousedInPiss You don't know what doing politics fundamentally is. Vehemently attacking your opposition is the whole point, since time immemorial

[@nicholasholden1896]

Fire dont get you votes

[@hemlock399]

I spent about 5 years arguing in good faith with right wingers on my FB, mostly about economic issues & rarely about culture war issues. I'm not sure that I ever convinced any of them of anything whatsoever...& then I left FB to improve my life & mental health. Someone commented here that they'll take points of factual agreement as confirmation of their beliefs & points of factual disagreement as confirmation of your bad faith. Exactly. It's a maddening experience to suffer your opponent's assumption that you're being dishonest or disingenuous when you're trying very hard to do the opposite. Mind you, I often got the same feeling that my opponent was arguing in bad faith. When there's distrust on both sides, it's a huge conundrum.

[@thestrangeremain3930]

This is a great video!!! But I want to congrat Kyle for FINALLY GETTING HIS 1M 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉have been watching you when you were bellow 75,000. Always thought you were best in the business. truely proud and happy for you!!!

[@playerone7663]

I think the world needs MORE heated debates, about a lot of stuff.

[@AriesKJJ2]

Karen Assparian is worried about hyperbole? ...in the same way Kamala Harris is worried about Heathcare? ...and for the same reasons?

[@Em3ga]

I use Ana Karensparian

[@LeftofBernie]

No, she’s worried about broad generalizations. Unless it’s her broadly generalizing about homeless people.

[@t221000]

👏 👏 Thank you my friend

[@KrampusVsChristmas]

I wonder why no one has told Cenk that making impersonations of the other side is an immature, ineffective and counterproductive tactic.

[@hansdampf6916]

Funny how Kyle tries to skirt around the fact that he wholeheartedly agrees with Anna by saying "I agree MORE with her". Still trying to not piss off his old mentor Cenk. We know Kyle, we know.

[@JabVRni]

I’ve been watching this channel since 2014-15 when Kyle was still at TYT. Since then it’s been my daily news outlet. I know Kyle doesn’t read comments often but I wanted to say thanks for uploading!

[@invitesbydani]

Kyle was never "at TYT". Cenk liked Kyle so he simply added Kyle's link to the TYT Network of channels. Kyle was not employed by them. Not apart of any revenue. Kyle and Cenk found Justice Democrats together, but Kyle was never at TYT. I believe around the time that JD got rid of Cenk, Kyle also left JD and didn't want his link on TYT Network anymore.

[@JabVRni]

@@invitesbydani ahhh see that always confused me back then, but makes a lot of sense now.

[@Indyawillis85]

Oh shit, Kyle hit 1 million! 🎉🎉🎉

[@vg4917]

liked your analysis of it Kyle.

[@beachaddict7653]

Last year over 26,000 Americans died because they didn't have health insurance and nearly 600,000 people in America are sleeping in the streets. Let's put our cultural differences aside for now and fight this economic crisis together.

[@supernamek]

Economic issues are the number 1 issue to win elections.

[@lukeolson5177]

False. Republicans don't give a shit about economics and if you don't believe me just look at who they vote for. The only issue Republicans care about is patriarchy and white supremacy.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

SHOULD be, but isn't. If it was, right wingers would fail each and every time without exception, since they have a proven track record of sinking the economy nowadays. It's all personality and popularity contests that people meme about, that superficial reductionist bullshit is the main thing people talk about

[@gun_toting_lefty]

Cenk is right! "Love and understanding" doesn't work for these guys.

[@KazeShikamaru]

I tried and have got mixed results.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

As the old saying goes, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I've gone through the deradicalization process as I started down a right wing pipeline. It wasn't the people who acted like Cenk that pulled me out of it, it was people more like Ana. If you just attack them, human nature is to further entrenching yourself in your position.

[@jackeagleeye3453]

Totally agree, Cenk is right. Like being nice doesn't work if the person thinks you're a "groomer" lol. The right has been trained to think that the left hates them and wants to destroy America. Having a nice dialogue isn't really possible with that type of person. It really takes a major life changing event for those people to change their mind. The best option here is to actually go after people that don't vote, as you don't have to spend years trying to convince them of something.

[@szahmad2416]

Holy crow...Ana has been on fire recently. Finally! And great on her saying - FINALLY - Justice Democrats do nothing.

[@MrBoxhead19]

Again...Ana is 100% correct. And again, Cenk is trying to "fix" something that doesn't need fixing and trying to change what Ana is saying.

[@ntsikeleloqoyo4188]

Hey look at that. We finally hit a million 🎉

[@coreysmithson4002]

Anyone else weirded out by them arguing with each other, but also looking directly into the camera?

[@bbdb111]

Yea lol

[@Ramtech-117]

It feels like they were yelling at me lmao

[@jarrettburch2477]

Just tells you Vince McMahon was behind the whole thing.

[@Parker402]

The idea that there are true good faith conservatives watching TYT waiting to be persuaded by the right argument is pretty absurd. I honestly don't think it makes a difference in how Cenk uses his rhetoric. Right wingers aren't watching TYT

[@markmccall752]

been here since you had like 70k congrats on 1 milly!

[@WilliamJames48]

Nothing but love for Cenk Ana and Kyle. Keep pushing back

[@htruman]

I love all three.

[@plawson8577]

@@htruman I can’t Stand Cenk. The Cult Messenger of the Church of Bernie Sanders.

[@yaquvyhardson3768]

Congrats on a million subs and thanks for adding nuance, intelligence, and principle into the current political discourse of which there is very little.

[@TheSkeptic_1]

Comparing FL in the Obama era to the FL of today is apples and oranges. Our entire socio-political dynamic has shifted since then. Anyone who has been paying attention knows that due to cultural, societal, economical factors, and COVID - people have started to shift both their political leanings but also their literal geographical location. I moved for the first time in my life to a new state 2 years ago, and millions of others have done the same for the above reasons. This demonstrably alters election results, voter turnout, etc. Simply giving "the benefit of the doubt" to Trump conservatives in an effort to grant them the empathy they would never return is a joke. Sitting behind a desk with a continued social media trajectory surrounding political discussion doesn't mean you ACTUALLY get out and talk to everyday people. In my lived experience these past few years, even if you manage to get a conservative in a 1:1 conversation and feel it was productive in a deconstructive way, they are still going to walk away unchanged. They might not all be the hateful monsters we characterize them as, but they possess that quality which we on the left do not: shamelessness. They continue forward on their path of whatever "ism" or form of bigotry they started, no matter what facts you present or anecdotes you add. Any considerable real-world experience in conversing with these people shows how far gone they are. I'm fully with Cenk on this: they can get left behind, kicking and screaming and yearning for the past. We aren't beholden to them, we don't need to coddle them. They are the minority. We need to be more unified and match their energy in how we organize our political ends, and not waiver. Until we do, they will continue to have their small victories that - as we clearly see - are adding up to regressive policy and shift in the social paradigm. We need to render them obsolete and irrelevant. In their wallowing, perhaps they will come around. Or they won't. And they can "like it or leave", just as they tell us.

[@JulieMorency]

THIS. ALL OF THIS.

[@KIRA-EL]

the problem here is that these people DONT CARE we're stuck trying to argue and sway but they've moved on while we're over here trying to craft a winning argument.

[@EFA4AK]

“You LOVE to straw man everyone,” 😂😂😂

[@ericdugdale8585]

Facts.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

Isn't that, itself, a strawman?

[@automanvw]

@@cosmosofinfinity he agreed tho

[@nicholasholden1896]

​@@cosmosofinfinity not if cenk agree to the point

[@hemlock399]

@@automanvw He said "it's a strawman...for you", meaning that it's not true of Ana. So, ironically, to say that he conceded the point is strawman of *his* position.

[@richardbreur8862]

I saw this nice, spicy debate earlier, commented on it and I completely agree with you, Kyle

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

Ana Kasparian just recently realizing that Cenk heavily strawmans people is hilarious

[@liddaberkley7478]

Most of the time I can't stomach her, but this time... I concur with her 100%

[@tugboat6940]

Why don't you like her?

[@TonyVega123]

@@tugboat6940 Is this a serious question?

[@tugboat6940]

@@TonyVega123 ya

[@TonyVega123]

@@tugboat6940 How old are you?

[@tugboat6940]

@@TonyVega123 can you answer the question?

[@sullen2420]

Agree with Cenk here....people supporting Trump in 2023 are way too far gone to be reasoned with. They just need to be defeated and stopped at this point.

[@gourdguru]

exactly. anyone with any reason saw nazis at charlottesville and left the movement. anyone who didn't get that message, got the message on J6. if you are still a trump supporter, or even a republican, in 2023, you're here for it and can't be moved. even if you believe you can change their view, cenk is still right. if they don't like being called criminal enablers they can stop enabling criminals. ana's argument is that they're doing it to "own the libs", but that doesn't change the fact that they are willing to attack democracy, defend corruption, and march in lockstep with literal nazis in order to achieve "Owning the Libs". at this point anyone still on the MAGA bandwagon isn't going to respond to you attacking the GOP Icons, THEY DON'T BELIEVE YOU AND WILL JUST IGNORE REALITY BECAUSE IT'S INCONVENIENT. kyle mentions the "Too far gone" as being the ones who will say that "trump was wrong and i'm still here for it because i like that", but in reality these people DON'T say that even if they think it because they know they are wrong and others will call them on it. only the dumbest nazis and fascists SELF-IDENTIFY as such. they ALWAYS hide behind some other statement that is less offensive on it's surface, IE state's rights, fiscal conservatism, etc. remember, to most of the southern republicans the confederate flag is "Heritage, not Hate", the nazis know to say globalist instead of jew, and republicans steal left slogans to hide themselves all the time, "I can't breathe" was taken from BLM and repurposed for mask protests, and "My Body, My Choice" was how they couched their anti-vaxx nonsense. while kyle and ana are right about pulling no punches with the elites, they are advocating an attitude that liberals have engendered for years, of giving the "enemy" the benefit of the doubt. people like kyle and ana complain about how democrats never fight back, are overly concerned with civility politics, and constantly take obviously bad faith republican actors as arguing in good faith, IE the "Friends across the aisle" mentality, but are completely oblivious to the fact they are doing the same thing here, assuming good faith, overfocusing on civility optics, and assuming the GOP voter is operating in good faith and is just ignorant. doing so, as they rightly point out with the politicians, allows bad faith actors to engage in bad faith action with impunity, hiding behind that benefit of the doubt. in short, maybe if after charlottesville, you and your siblings told your MAGA father you've lost all respect for him, can no longer rely on him as a role model morally ethically or intellectually, and started calling him John instead of "Dad", his stupid ass might have got the message and not gotten arrested at the insurrection. half the reason we're here is because we've spent decades choosing to have an awkwardly silent thanksgiving dinner rather than just tell Uncle Ted he's a Moron and if he want's to talk about how "the jews faked the moon landing" he can get out. this applies to all of us across the political spectrum. if center voters wouldn't keep accepting limpwristed halfhearted defense against the right, accepting crumbs from watered down legislation, touting it as transformative, and excusing corporate dem corruption as just "the cost of playing the game", we wouldn't have such recklessly feckless leadership in the DNC. if the left actually policed it's internal factions, we wouldn't have the pro-stalinist/tankie/red fascist contingent going out of their way to aid the rightwing, sow discord, and embody every socialist stereotype the right can think to levy against us to a tee. all these problematic ideologies exist because we're too socially civil/polite to strangle them in the crib when they show up around the dinner table, to socially insecure to lose a friend over a small ideological difference like fascist ideation.

[@TimeIdle]

The debate was heated enough. Speeding it up really made me nervous. :)

[@Monsteretrope]

This is what happens when you actually talk to the people you disagree with. You find out they are human. Cenk should try it too.

[@dondesper6552]

Congratulations on million subscribers. I have been with you from the beginning bro, not that I’m proud of myself no, I’m proud of you.