#destreza

[@PXCharon]

As a practitioner of both Italian (Capoferro and Fabris) and LVD (From Carranza and Rada) I'll say that entry footwork on Italian is often angular, and the lunge was designed to delay the delivery of the attack via the step until the opponent's sword is secure. If you find the sword, reach your desired measure, and gain the line correctly it functions identically to an Atajo, minimizing the time you are committed to an attack and maximizing their available time to put you in danger. We shouldn't be launching a deep lunge as a probing attack, or indeed at all without the opponent's blade being under control.

[@robinswords]

Thank you for the addition. It's not my focus so I appreciate people with more experience in it chiming in.

[@davidellis7309]

I've always seen the rapier as a weak man's weapon to many people try to study it give me a broad sword or a breaded ax

[@cerocero2817]

@@davidellis7309 yeah, man. The breaded axe is truly the weapon for manly men. I personally like to pass my axe onto some egg and mustard butter and then cover it in plinko breadcrumbs, crunchy!

[@davidellis7309]

@@cerocero2817 I'm assuming by your childish response you have never learned axe and shield fighting?

[@noahprussia7622]

​@@davidellis7309 real men take their hunting rifle and shoot their sparring partner. While girly girls engage in MMA.

[@composaboi]

Fabris, an Italian master, was actually quite against aggressive lunges as you have demonstrated, he preferred precision which lunges are bad with.

[@robinswords]

The dangers of painting with broad strokes. Thanks for your contribution!

[@StefanoUrsella]

I didn't knew that there was a fencing master with Fabris as surname, my mother has that sirname

[@Canadianvoice]

I never had any idea of how many sword masters are out there. Furthermore they are all on KZbin comment sections. It's amazing.

[@sampokuru8141]

What do you mean? Just because people are using terms or strategies does not mean they are masters. Many people train weapon based martial arts and obviously yt is a great place to come together and talk about those things especially on these kinds of videos

[@Canadianvoice]

@@sampokuru8141 it's a joke for the people that take this way too seriously...

[@Matityahu-the-God]

​@@sampokuru8141 went right over your head

[@sampokuru8141]

@@Matityahu-the-God thanks sherlock

[@Matityahu-the-God]

@@sampokuru8141 hey, don't get salty now.

[@LordDeathwing17]

In The game Warframe, there’s a rapier called Destreza. I always wondered where they got the name from.

[@blablabla798]

now i wanna hear his thoughts on Warframe stances

[@samreddig8819]

Don't look up what the kronen was named after.

[@Arcanefungus]

​​@@blablabla798me too, there's probably no premise further from reality than "remote control space ninja with superman strength and agility and magic powers". Would be interesting to try and apply real world mechanics to that

[@NoPeace4theEvil]

Destreza means dexterity, and la verdadera destreza means the true dexterity

[@matthewcooper4248]

I've only learned Fabris and his work was a lot more about leaning than lunging. He hated the lunge because it puts you in too much risk and leaves you wide open. He likes leaning and working from the bind as you're already there, and once you find the opening you move just a little to get the desired result. He was especially a fan of covered thrusts.

[@VictorGarcia-qk3dn]

¿Por qué lo españoles no se lanzaban como unos locos en las estocadas? Fácil, nosotros sí queríamos salir vivos del duelo.

[@chopstick1671]

Some additions, from my very unexperienced-in-rapier self: - He is talking about Verdadera Destreza, Vulgar Destreza is much more like Italian styles from what I’ve seen about it. - Italian rapier (which is a very big cluster of styles) is not fully linear, the attacks are often linear, but the footwork still favours getting offline as this means the opponent is not on the line of attack. - It also has to be noted that the spanish angulo recto position, which I reckon is the one referred in the comment, does imo require a rapier with a closed front on the hilt (for example the famous spanish cuphilt rapiers), since otherwise there is a large risk of being stabbed through your guard. But those are just some additions that came to mind while watching, I’m definitely no authority on rapier styles haha

[@matthewlawrence7056]

Carranza and Pacheco write and explicitly show swords without a hand guard. You have to be more careful about thrusts to the hands with open hand guards but it’s certainly not a requirement. Aside from that Godinho (vulgar destreza) is non linear but it’s defenses when done right tend to look more linear due to the counter attacking action vs the atajo in verdadera destreza.

[@Corvusdotensis]

Ressembles some principles of gong fu. Where can I download a mamual of Verdadera Destreza in Spanish?

[@delsinmunroe5067]

I've always wanted to learn fencing and hema but I live in the boonies of Arkansas. At least watching your shorts about guards and positioning has taught me a lot that I can apply to Hellish Quart 😅

[@ricardodemarco3486]

Still not ideal, but montante regras are something plausible to learn solo. Mind you, you still need to know how to move properly, like keeping your feet straight forward as to not twist your knee cap, but hispanic montante does not require an opponent as much as, say, longsword, as you need to feel the bind and counter. With the manuals of Godinho and Figueiredo you pretty much train “katas” like in japanese martial arts. There are several videos you can watch, the channel Academia da Espada has all the regras, it is in spanish but there are english translations of the original texts. Pick up a wooden plank and saw it to shape, add some weight and keep the center of mass just a bit over the handle (15 cm or so away from the crossguard), put some “edge” on the blade and on the handle as to give you a feel of edge alignment, and you are good to go.

[@hurpaderpp]

@@ricardodemarco3486 thank you for this comment. I actually have a purpleheart montante as a wall hanger that I can use to learn this stuff. Do you recommend starting with Figueiredo or Godinho?

[@ricardodemarco3486]

@@hurpaderpp can’t say for sure, it would be like “which one to learn first, Talhoffer or Meyer?”. Both were almost contemporary of one another and hailed from the same place, so unless someone more versed and knowledgeable about this topic than me tells you otherwise, pick the one that fancies you the most. Just remember, Hispanic montante is not the same as German battlesword. At least not exactly, so beware of mixing one another even if you are tempted. And you better train in an open space or ample room at first, just to be safe…

[@j.lietka9406]

If you watched "Zorro" with Antonio Banderas & Anthony Hopkins, how accurate was the circular ah, style of fencing? If I read correctly, that style was a real one, but wasn't as wide spread. Thank you 🤓

[@renoblevg5375]

We need more videos on destreza from all content creators

[@cptnstylez]

YES

[@pseudophori6541]

dunno pretty sure destreza is actually more of a repetitive upward sweeping motion that shoots a bolt of neurotoxin for roughly 1400 damage

[@bintangabrar2549]

And gain sniper range for infinite duration in second phase

[@pseudophori6541]

@@bintangabrar2549 exactly

[@vozzy06]

"This is Iberian Destretza!" - A Guy

[@gatling216]

Generally speaking, I dislike styles that involve deep lunges because my knees are shot to hell and I don't want to end up on crutches again. That said, I'm also not a fan of stuff like Fabris, which relies in large part on your opponent's willingness to impale themselves on your blade. The end result, for me at least, is a bastardized style that mugs other styles and rifles through their pockets for loose guards and strikes. I wouldn't say it's effective, but at the very least, it's hard for my opponent to know what I'm going to do if I don't either.

[@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa]

You would be really fascinating to animate as an NPC. Your movements when you talk are so fun to watch.

[@sherlockbatmanholmes892]

I’m curious. Is there a “best” rapier style of fighting? Or is it down to they are all different and there is no best or worst?

[@Kingdomkey123678]

There is no best just personal preference

[@Hetaroy]

Destreza is the art of understanding and being protected, you only hit the opponent when you can do it while not being able to be hit, not when your speeds provides and advantage

[@ChimeraArchive]

Wait, hold on...the name Cappofero got tossed out and no one made a Princess Bride reference? Shame.

[@ClaytonLovendale]

Shakespeare said, the Spanish will kill you with math.

[@elcatrinc1996]

Vulgar destreza is the best, it includes what is basically pocket sand as a valid move

[@HillardEarl]

The word "destreza" itself translates to 'dexterity' or 'skill, ability', reflecting the emphasis placed on technical proficiency and mastery in this unique form of martial art.

[@odiram]

Is there one style of rapier fencing that tends to be favored over others for modern hema practitioners?

[@robinswords]

I would say Italian is favored. It has a broader selection of translated manuscripts available. It also jives with the study of Italian longsword.

[@borislavkrustev8906]

Italian is favoured by a mile. Diestros are a rarity on the competitive scene outside of Spain.

[@mikel4998]

in my opinion, Italian and French fencing favor aspects that are valued in the competitive scene, while the spanish style is much more a historical contextualized way of personal defense. Its such a topic of discussion, but competitive HEMA doesnt really care about the historic part.

[@borislavkrustev8906]

@@mikel4998 And yet there are Diestros that do awesome in tourneys too. It will always be about the fencer at the end of the day, not the style.

[@AKlover]

Does rarity contribute to win rate?

[@justinalias7969]

As someone trained in Cappo Ferro Italian rapier, watching your legs cross when moving around fills me with great distress 🤣. I keep hearing my instructor screaming that you’ll trip if someone rushes you.

[@championastartes]

Wait... Destreza... Hema... these are in Warframe!

[@robinswords]

Indeed, Destreza the sword is a reference to Destreza the fencing system

[@mihailmilev9909]

@@robinswords coool

[@mihailmilev9909]

@@robinswords yeah I heard a lot of names in warframe are references

[@catgath9718]

So.. alley, street, hallway, nerrow environment vs cortyard, forest, open environment fighting styles?

[@puebespuebes8589]

I learned the Italian style, very strange to think moving is actually a good move.

[@theparalexview785]

Same philosophies and strategies as boxing. I've often called Olympic and international amateur boxing "fist fencing" because of the similar approaches.

[@johnnivek9653]

Is this why fencers from France were known to travel around both Italy and Spain to "complete" their fencing training?

[@Captain-Jinn]

Great short, but I'd watch the shadows; it's harder on the eyes to follow you when tree shadows are popping on/off you at all time.

[@hotpopcorncake]

I'm not an expert but I think Destreza has a point, but I like Italian they might know a counter or reason why they do this.

[@elwolf8536]

Years ago i bought a rapier type sword but i don't know what kind. It has a narrow flat blade with a cruciform D gaurd

[@BTboxing]

I notice you cross your feet in this video while in stance, in boxing we don’t do this as getting caught while crossing your feet means you are out of position and are likely to get off balanced, is this different for this weapons martial arts?

[@rodger-the-robot]

You sound like the alien from the movie home and speaking of which does anyone remember that movie

[@TheRansomed55]

I'm a French foil fencer of about 10 years. He's right that lunging has a risk to it, but that's why you fully extend your thrust first. If you maintain your guard angle, their riposte will shoot past you. This lets you experimentally begin your attacks and assess when it is safe to lunge.

[@lampshade6579]

Stances are just moves that you paused midway through.

[@joeyjones9041]

makes sense to me, alot more agile and reactive with the Spanish style

[@PhanthomKnight9]

Why not both?

[@FerociousSniper]

Oh snap, so The Mask of Zorro was actually accurate.

[@AngelSkippings]

Im in LOVE with this guy and this channel

[@УзеирМамедов-п6л]

It's really interesting to see that two styles fighting each other

[@bryamhernandez2994]

Robin what if someone tried robin all your swords

[@akinigiri]

What about Spanish fencing?

[@ronbird121]

i love the longsword version of the lounch, if you get partied you end in a situation teady to strike back. hit or hit harder. nice to cover distance

[@FriskTheSmolOne]

as a verdadera destreza practitioner (maybe 4/5 months already?) from Spain. idk, italian never made much sense to me, most italian stances and lunges give them reach yeah, but like they move in lines, the moment i do a curve step i can see the light fading in their eyes like ah shit. although, some stuff they do make it insanely hard for me at least to control their blade. i see italian as a more strength and speed based while Verdadera Destreza is more reach and blade control based.

[@FriskTheSmolOne]

just want to make clear, im talking from my experience against italian fencers and im not that good myself so, if im wrong thats why 😅

[@Steverogers-s8k]

A roupa azul da um bônus de 10+ de destreza

[@krebgurfson5732]

placing all of your weight on your back foot like that is not conducive to a quick lunge. that may be in ancient illustrations but there's not a chance they used such terrible footwork/balance

[@robinswords]

Capo Ferro is pretty specific on this: "... the forward leg and the body, while extending the arm with the sword, is poised over the left leg, on which is supported the entire body and right leg; which left leg during the launching throws the body and the thigh forward onto the right leg, which in exchange forms a pillar and buttress, sustaining all of the weight of the body, pushed forward to launch the blow."

[@S.Gamedev-zc2wp]

So all in gambler vs careful gambler

[@dvmpld9103]

Does these suspenders offer any advantage over belts when practicing or it's just your personal preference?

[@robinswords]

You never have to worry about your pants slipping regardless of the motion you make

[@jackhazardous4008]

Can you slash with a rapier?

[@Kamn_exe]

You would like the game Hellish Quart

[@robinswords]

I do like it :)

[@swordsbyasa-punk]

I'm 49, have back issues, had a knee replaced; I now see the superiority of Destreza over the Italian lunging 😂 #arthritis #AchesAndPains

[@ordinarymodder905]

When Destreza says not to lunge... No one bats an eye... When silver says not to lunge... Society... Society goes wild...

[@matthewlawrence7056]

One of these traditions survived centuries longer than the other. But yeah Silver gets unfairly called out.

[@offizier_n.3741]

Do you have a favourite one?

[@TreeHairedGingerAle]

😭 my hero strollin down the damn street just casually throwing out an entire way for me to solidly describe the 'floaty', 'evasive' feywild style that my paladin fights. Spanish rapier. Destreza! Got it! 👏🏾✨ Thanks! 🏃🏾‍♀️✒️

[@stefanformalyna3066]

Blues in the background? REALLY?!? METAL WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER! 🔥🔥🔥🤘🤘

[@botezsimp5808]

Still waiting for the day you start swinging around a giant warhammer. Do it for the muscle gains!! Plzzz

[@randomnickify]

Its all about speed and finesse, muscles are overrated :)

[@botezsimp5808]

@@randomnickify Bruce Lee would disagree.

[@isabelleon3360]

In old movies late 1930s to 1940s movies Basil Rathbone, Eryl Flinn, and movies like Cyrano with Jose Farrar(spelling maybe wrong), Three Musketeers, ect...there was some wonderful choreographed sword play(miss seeing that)...and was disappointed when seeing Olympic fencing(many years ago) they didn't do any of the fancy choreography are there ever any choreographed fencing/sword play in the Olympics (exhibitions) or could you do a little in a short video? Enjoy seeing your videos, I don't know a thing about swords, and seeing how different weapons are used throughout history is very enjoyable. Thank you🙂

[@ragnkja]

Context: European fashions were relatively diverse and evolved quite a lot over the course of the late medieval and renaissance period that these manuals date from, and a high guard from around 1500 would feel extremely uncomfortable wearing the clothes that were fashionable a century later, thanks to the cut of the armscyes.

[@A_Moustached_Sock]

Just to tack on a little. Italian rapier creates that far back smaller target but is exceedingly taxing on your back leg and is an exhaustive position to remain in. Whereas Destraza is hardly taxing at all

[@kamron_thurmond]

I did some fencing in high school mostly epeé, but a little foil, and saber as well. In all 3 disciplines it was almost entirely linear as we were required to stay in a strip/lane. No chance to pivot off line, but some moves allowed for stepping left or right a little bit. Look at Olympic style matches for high level references.

[@zacharyparrott4508]

I have a request. Can you show the difference between Scandinavian swords and Scottish? The history perhaps?

[@CorSerpentiss]

"Trained Martial Artist" *Proceeds to perform very poorly trained lunge* 🤓

[@cyanide9488]

What about the Germans tho

[@atsukana1704]

Destreza seems to align very well with techniques used in bullfighting. I had heard that in antiquitiy bullfighting was actually used as battle training to a degree before it evolved into a sport.

[@chillemdafoe1738]

So if Italians=lunge Spanish= encircle French=???????

[@IronicExplosion]

Fabris doesn’t really emphasize the lunge; a lot of times you “walk it in” with the point

[@blablabla798]

I heard Destreza and thought of the Warframe rapier now i kinda wanna hear your thoughts on the Warframe stances

[@zkprintf]

Oh no, Harry Dripper is back in the muggle world!

[@appalachianoperator]

I would argue that if one were able to achieve an artful balance of both. Knowing when to be circular then when to be violently linear would be a powerful technique

[@Mousecopp]

So youre telling me Weiss Schnee from RWBY is Italian?

[@TotesToms]

I NEED those pants

[@elwolf8536]

And socks !!

[@amn7319]

And so a blend of both Italian and Spanish would result in a fine and skillful swordsman.

[@FoldingScreenMonkey]

Now I'm not a fencer and I'm sure due to rules and good form etc etc it all ends up fine but Italian just looks so unstable to me

[@itsjeff367]

Bro people were probably made fun of for standing like that lmao

[@chrisbirch6513]

Bad music

[@trustworthydan]

Foot work is everything in historical fencing.

[@CUBETechie]

Would you say it woul be a good weapon for DUNE ?

[@HereticalKitsune]

Very risky? *laughs in Passata di Soto*

[@CSG97]

The Teddy Baldisar of swords

[@deathtoraiden2080]

The literal Dex build

[@Alexlalpaca]

Btw, in Spain the z is pronounced as the English th (unvoiced, as in "think"). So it would be pronounced as "destretha" or with an unvoiced s (as the s in Spain) in most of the Spanish south and the rest of the Spanish-speaking world.

[@dab0331]

In literally every other Spanish speaking country, the S is pronounced.

[@Alexlalpaca]

@@dab0331 Assuming you have read the whole comment and therefore you mean it's voiced in most dialects, no it's not. Maybe in some dialects but it's not common.

[@dab0331]

@Alexlalpaca I'm Mexican man. Literally, no other country uses the goofy (th) lisp other than Spain. Some countries like Puerto Rico will drop random R's and S's, but even they don't use the th

[@Alexlalpaca]

@@dab0331 Lee el comentario entero.

[@ThePalebloodHunter]

​​@@dab0331En España nos pronunciamos la z con la s, eso pasa solo en toda América del Sur.

[@actually_a_circle]

What brand sword is that

[@allanh7137]

That sounds like the difference between Cuban and Slavic boxing styles. Cuban is circular.

[@bartekbartek8890]

Uspokój się.

[@marcelkblanckhema]

I go with Meyer. While some say it's only side sword, it works amazing against both styles because it teaches you both, and I fought against some skilled guys too where it worked good while they had lots more experience in their specific mediteran style

[@oscaranderson5719]

haha, I’ve heard a saber fighter explain you can bastardize their cavalry-style system for longswords. it’s a matter of understanding the system you’re using and applying it to something new, so good job you’re able to do that!

[@funkytownjedi]

Interesting

[@The-Mad-Taoist]

Cool

[@thisinnotmystomach6279]

will toledo

[@EarthBoundBean]

Is it viable to use a combination of both types?

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Styles were not really that focused as we tend to think. Italian treaties stressed that the lounge was risky, and had to be performed only when in control of the opponent's blade.

[@PJDAltamirus0425]

I’ve toured a bit of old Italian town and I kinda wonder if the aggressive lunge and recover system didn’t develop because offline traverse footwork wasn’t really possible in a lot of causes. Walkways in those towns can be extremely narrow. The spaces between building are tiny

[@cazadorhispania]

Better said "Ropera" not "rapier"...

[@brandonpetersen5710]

Used to pick up sticks when I was a kiddo and swing it like a sword. I'm a master sticksman.

[@LAMBOFGODX]

I love that lunge ❤❤

[@hotpopcorncake]

Why?

[@gabrielwolf7534]

Nothing compares to Verdadera Destreza

[@davidgpeterson]

I learned Italian and I can say I totally agree with the Spanish…

[@aquach._2086]

straight vs curve

[@robinswords]

I've actually already covered this. You should be able to search for straight vs curved and find it

[@NoName-sv7pp]

Spanish style seems much more fun.

[@dangerbuoy]

It would take a race like the Italians to make the Spanish look levelheaded and safe

[@rvn856]

How about doing a scimitar video?

[@juhel5531]

Destreza looks like it'd be the perfect excuse to do the anime trope of throw a series of attacks and then casually back step out of striking distance so you can walk around each other like a bunch of cool guys.

[@brain4154]

no matter how cool a weapon might have been in history, it's always cringe in 2023..

[@jaradtrout140]

Who cares?

[@thunderball11111]

Wrong