Destroying the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim but Better

[@publiusdos5925]

A good easter egg to throw in at the end would be the Last Dragonborn randomly encountering Cicero and Babette in Dawnstar, as a nod to them being the only survivors of the vanilla "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood," quest.

[@craigdurso3005]

Nazir made it out too

[@publiusdos5925]

@@craigdurso3005 Nazir makes it out if the PC joins the DB, if you choose to kill Astrid and attack the sanctuary, you kill Nazir.

[@greenflame070]

That would be a good nod to the other questline. You see Cicero and Babette, a strangely mature child and her eccentric “uncle” who have “recently moved” to Dawnstar.

[@craigdurso3005]

@@publiusdos5925 ohhhh , I always join 🙃

[@desiredream9861]

This would be really cool! It'd present a bit of a plothole, though, since Cicero & the Night Mother need to be at the sanctuary in order for most of the Dark Brotherhood questline to play out, since its integral to finding out you're (or in this case, the assassin is) the Listener. It wouldn't make sense if he simply left during the raid or beforehand since he's devoted to the Night Mother.

[@LemonMoon]

I would love more rewrites of Skyrim quest lines because I’m running a Skyrim tabletop and they help immensely. I’m scrounging the internet for stuff like this.

[@xIAMKARMAx]

Bethesda, Microsoft whoever, needs to hire you man for real! ❤

[@matthewdiehl1813]

You should send this to the Skyrim Extended Cut team. When they get to the Dark Brotherhood quest, I wouldn't object to this being the direction they go!

[@gmradio2436]

The only thing I would add is a misc. quest that triggers if attack by a Dark Brotherhood assassin in the open world. It points to a guard, the guard sends you to Solitude, then you get pointed to Maro after a short investigation. This is similar to Morrowind, but could work again.

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

Basically a Detective vs Serial Killer Dichotomy, I like it.

[@NovoCognition]

This is indeed an impressive Penitus Oculatus questline rewrite. One day perhaps, someone could mod it into the game. My only issue would be the time limit as that could be quite easy to fail if someone is unaware of it and goes the fast travel option a lot (and no other quests in Skyrim have time limits). I'd be curious to see if you plan any other potential rewrites in the future.

[@theelderscrolls_area]

Quality content man!!

[@ericparraroma9049]

I'm in tears knowing I'll never be able to play that epic questline

[@ryanhau1073]

I would add an extra quest on uncovering the person who hired the Dark Brotherhood to kill the Emperor and why he did it

[@lincolndunford6693]

You could receive a tip that leads you to Riften, where you interrogate Delvin Mallory to receive the amulet. You take it back, find out who it belongs to, then arrest or kill them.

[@ijon-y4549]

Well, my theory is that he ordered the hit on himself

[@hans7821]

I'd add some smaller quests, where you hunt down some DB-members that escaped the raid on the sanctuary. I'd for example hunt down Cicero in the Dawnstar sanctuary, Babette in Morthal and Nazir in the inn where you kill the Gourmet in vanilla. This gives these places, which have rather few other uses, some more content.

[@weenug489]

Yo this sounds so cool! Modders please get on this, it would be so much better than the original quest

[@pawekoodziej6556]

The quest at the wedding can be done in a way similar to the quest in Fallout: New Vegas in which you prevent the assasination of the president o New California Republic. First you are given a time to find out, what potential dangers can be. In example you investigate the gargoryle to find out, that it may be dropped on Victoria's head and take the bow left on the balcony near the temple. Then Victoria arrives and you need to stay alert until an assasin will attempt to kill her. The assasin mat have several ways to do it. If you have neutralised the threats before it will force him into a direct assault. When he attacks, your task is to stop him before he kills Victoria

[@EndoScorpion]

This is great. I'd love more stuff in Skyrim where you have to think and solve mysteries, like the murder mystery in Windhelm.

[@jextra1313]

Really cool questline, I think that having some murders already done when you talk to Commander Maro is a bad idea, I think they should be miscellaneous murders in case you want to do the regular Dark Brotherhood questline, it also makes it easier to program. Also, having 3 in-game days to find a weakness in the Emperor's visit can lead to a very unsatisfying ending. It shouldn't be time-gated in my opinion, and weakness should be semi-easily found. By making the player read a book, it's already the most complicated puzzle in the game lol.

[@greenflame070]

Love this quest line! The original Destroy the Dark Brotherhood is so underwhelming and this fixes all of it

[@Fatalitix3]

Sounds really great. For miscellaneous quests we can take inspiration from the Penitus Oculatus mod ( assasinate Thalmor colaborator, Penitus Oculatus deserter, Justiciar patrol etc.)

[@derskalde4973]

This is really well thought out. I think I'll use that for my group in the Skyrim campaign I'm planning.

[@piratavorak]

I would change to the quest start at Riften with grelog the kind already dead and you investigate until some point find the agent to help you and talk about other murders, because most of the quests are "do it but if you don't wharever, it will not prejudice me, I could just hire another" but if you show that you want to help the agents would trust you

[@yokai333]

I do like the time limit mechanic and the use of actual skill checks in conversation. Very nice concept

[@troytab6089]

I've not watched the video yet obviously, but it's probably worth mentioning - in The Elder Scrolls: Legends, there's a DLC called Fall Of The Dark Brotherhood, which does the “Destroying the Dark Brotherhood” plot so much better than Skyrim. Because it has someone with a grudge against the Brotherhood hire you, and have you infiltrate the Brotherhood, at any cost necessary, and he wants you to lure the brotherhood's leader into a trap.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

I made a video on that quest before, its pretty good!

[@azrainstorm]

@@ImperialKnowledge Could you link that video of yours! Or let us know the title to search and watch?

[@ImperialKnowledge]

@@azrainstorm kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKHYfJKMr7Ktr7M Here you go!

[@rhiaxtra]

This is GENIUS! I love this!!

[@iamfine2624]

Pretty good! For the part where you dress as a guard maybe there could be a disguise mechanic where if you dress as a member of a faction then you will be considered part of their faction until they figure out you aren't part of them either via directly talking to you like a "wait I know you" moment or them seeing you out of uniform.

[@ericcrabtree7075]

I like the idea of when you join the Penitus Oculatus side quests would invoke spying on the thalmor in Skyrim and assassinate their own agents 🤔😉

[@AndyMan4]

Nice scenario here 👌 And as far as your novel, you may be on go something great here. I can definitely see this fanfiction tale on KZbin someday. Nice work 👍

[@liquidlethe]

Wow this would be one of the coolest quests in the game

[@ErelasInglor]

Ummm...YES. It would be great to have this in a creation kit available, I want to play this now.

[@AthenaHiotis]

yea - more of these please, zork! love this

[@mc_rysiek5277]

Awesome idea, though I think the questline could be expanded further by incorporating the search for Cicero and the Night Mother, unless you'd include them as a part of the final battle at the Sanctuary.

[@thegiver1s75]

ok this is way too good to be left unseen someone really needs to make a mod of this i would love to play this out in game great vid

[@Sebastian_Rabbit]

I thought of something small and that changes almost nothing but might be interesting, when asking to help the penitus, Maro would have a special comment about which side you joined in the civil war (and if you finished the war questline), for the legion he has more trust on you, especially if you are the legate, while the stormcloaks he would be suspicious but still accept your help since he wants the brotherhood dead at all cost. (And maybe disable the stormcloak guard hostility towards the penitus guard to make things easier) And why not give Delvin and Maven an unique dialogue as well, once you finish the penitus questline, they both might comment about the brotherhood being destroyed. These things may be small but it always makes things more alive and rich

[@chrisking2824]

this is amazing its sticks so close to the quest design of vanilla skyrim i would completely believe it if you told me it was in the base game

[@aaehguf]

*reads title, sees its also from the imperial knowledge channel, immediately smashes the like button*

[@arrelousrowland8544]

Misc best ending bonus quests Quest 1: blood on the ice Description: I have been tasked to investigate the butcher of Windhelm for commander Maro Would be the same as the base game quest with new lines Quest 2: stendaar's rising Description: I have been tasked with discovering the motive of the attack of the hall of villigant by commander Maro Adds alternative way to discover Serna and destroy harkon's plans Quest 3: a pirate's plan Description: I have been tasked to discover the reason behind the disappearance of the ice runner Alternative route for lights out!

[@rockingpinaple]

Aweseome idea!! I would love to see more videos like this 🖤

[@alexanderb5726]

Destroying the Brotherhood was always my preference. But it could've indeed be made better especially in actually involving more npcs who charge the Sanctuary with you. The whole solo operator spiel breaks immersion, isn't believable and reduces the impact of the stakes at play, males it boring after the first playthrough.

[@tris8172]

Great video ! I wish Skyrim Extended Cut would make this as a mod ! Oh and could you do other videos with the less well made questlines of the game ? I would certainly watch these and I'm probably not alone :)

[@JPEG-Epidemic]

Another Great Video As Always, Keep It Up!

[@KatePapaDrama]

Great idea! It kinda feels like cut content. I'm sure some modders would be interested in making something like this.

[@ziephel-6780]

The Silver Hand, but better? lol

[@ImperialKnowledge]

I never wrote a story to base it on but sure I’ll think about it to see if I have some good ideas

[@nothing-of5yc]

Someone should turn this story into a mod.

[@Tamanini]

Sounds great, this could make a fun mod someday.

[@daizenmarcurio]

This was video was incredible. I cant lie cuz it lowkey hurts seeing everyone die save for babette and Nazir die because the dark brotherhood is my fav faction as it feels most like a family plus the falkreath sanctuary is the coolest

[@Formoka]

This would have been way cooler than what we got.

[@alfiereimperiale7697]

Personally, I would lock the start of this questline behind the allegiance to the empire. By that I mean that only characters who already talked to General Tullius and recited the pledge to the emperor can start it.

[@leodannersmith7930]

Sounds like a lot of fun to me!

[@dwarflord420]

I've got one question,Who's willing to volunteer to author this mod? This is brilliant writing. It might need smoothing out for one or two rough edges,but overall very good writing. If this does become a mod it will never leave my load order.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

Its pretty much impossible without the original voice actors of the existing characters I wrote in like commander Maro, headmaster Viarmo and ofcourse the dark brotherhood cast like astrid festus muiri etc

[@dwarflord420]

@@ImperialKnowledge I work in entertainment. I may be able to some strings. I'm an I.T. Specialist for a broadway theater company.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

@@dwarflord420 huh that is really cool though. I have 0 skills in scripting modelling or anything programming related but if someone seriously wants to make it im def down to help however I can, be it writing or promotion or something else.

[@dwarflord420]

@@ImperialKnowledge Alrightiy Then. I'll do what I can. And as goes I do have some technical experience. If anyone else wants to jump on board,I'd say leave a comment.

[@zephyreagle]

I really hope someone can mod this into the game

[@lul6124]

someone please make this into a mod

[@driftingdruid]

any modded quests for Destroying the Thieves Guild, and/or going to Snow Veil Sanctum without having to do the Thieves Guild questline? don't want to anger Talen-Jei again, just for a word wall.... 🙁

[@beeplk7290]

Someone please mod this into existence T_T

[@ericcrabtree7075]

This should be a mod

[@PowerfulRift]

Gonna make a mod?

[@TheRoot2944]

One of my unpopular elder scrolls opinion is that you should absolutely destroy the dark brotherhood but this is an awesome video as I wish it was a little bit more played out rather than kill asdrid Tell a random guard then randomly walk into a pennitus occulatis building and do a spicy bandit raid

[@bend7726]

This is a really good idea honestly. I've always hated that the quest to destroy the brotherhood is so short and meaningless. Also how does commander maro suddenly know the location of their sanctuary and the password to the black door? It's bothered me ever since I started playing skyrim. It would be brilliant if we could get these quest ideas as a mod

[@progdragon9218]

We need a mod for this

[@baird5682]

Is there a mod for this questline? I want a mod for this questline.

[@thehuckleberry8349]

I need a mod for this asap.

[@randomnetsurfer]

I think this sounds like a great idea. I wonder if you could partner with a mod author/coder to make it happen?

[@shiny1556]

I really like this but part of me thinks the ending could be cooler with you directly stopping the Last Listener in the emperor’s quarters on his ship.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

Yeah I did that in my original story but I decided against it as it is a pretty cramped space for a big fight where you need to keep the weak emperor alive

[@DieLuftwaffel]

Ever thought of applying for a job at Bethesda?

[@theace8502]

This is unrelated, but I always disliked how you as the listener couldn't order someone else to carry out an assassination. Wasn't that the listener's job since forever??? Imagine telling Cicero, Babette, nazir, and anyone else to go kill someone

[@alpha_9997]

THANK YOU, this pissed me off inthe game

[@quintinjansevanvuuren9638]

Got 3000 gold for this mf yesterday. Maro could be less stingy on the Septims for a G like me.

[@FunkyDude-e3w]

Sithis not with this, Night Mother gets a fright, bother, Astrid better watch out, else she ends up like they did.

[@vulkanofnocturne]

@Imperial Knowledge I'm reading your book, you mention in the preamble you're working on English grammar and there is a mistake you make a lot in that regard with the word 'got'. You use it in context that make sense but are technically incorrect, it is probably a bit of 'internet grammar' you've picked up not realizing it is not done in literature. I hope you don't mind the criticism, luv u.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

The preamble was quickly written, I looked at grammar and such more in the actual story. Do you see it there as well? (And can you give an example of the mistake) If its also in the main text I need to get that mistake out of my system haha. And dont worry, criticise all you wish :)

[@vulkanofnocturne]

@@ImperialKnowledge Original: The metal then seemed to melt in his hands as the enchantment on the cylinder *got* activated, {This feels weird} An alteration: The metal then seemed to melt in his hands as the enchantment on the cylinder activated/took effect, {Removing 'got' changes nothing here} Another Alt': The metal then seemed to melt in his hands as the enchanted cylinder shaped itself into a long object and... {This makes it pithier still, we lose none of the pertinent information IMO}

[@ImperialKnowledge]

@@vulkanofnocturne huh I never knew that was a mistake. i will try to get it out of my system!

[@vulkanofnocturne]

@@ImperialKnowledge Mistake is a strong word. It isn't something that appears in literature. It is something I could hear in casual conversations in England and not think twice about.

[@spartanq7781]

Destroying the Dark Brotherhood is so underwhelming it might as well not even be there. Why couldn't it be a full quest line like it is when you join? Hell even the Bard's College has more content and losing in a comparison to that thing is a sign something is seriously wrong.

[@saluteadezio7893]

I would love to play it. It would be great if it were a mod.

[@Raycheetah]

Very good! I have always found it annoying that the Dragonborn assassinating the Emperor is considered the canon course of the game. I almost always (only recently having played a "bad guy" run in which I joined the Dark Brotherhood) destroy the Dark Brotherhood, and it's obvious that it was an afterthought, quite boring, to say nothing of wasteful of game resources. But then, Skyrim is full of "stubs," obvious quest opportunities which went undeveloped, and which Bethesda could have expanded as DLC, for example, the situation at the Dunmer temple in Raven Rock, which barely scratches the surface of some intrigue hinted at in character dialog. Oh, well. We can dream, and some of us can write mods. =^[.]^=

[@KapitanDeutschland]

Your partner in this alternative quest, she looks beautiful

[@KapitanDeutschland]

For the Empire

[@Auriorium]

Personally I would like a quest line where you bring the Brotherhood back in the loving folds of the Morag-Tong. Since Sithis is Maphala that bi*.

[@gmradio2436]

I thought Lokahn was Sithis snd the Night Mother was Maphala.

[@Auriorium]

@@gmradio2436 Its all the same entity. That is because Maphala does this shit. We are her playthings but if Molag Bal wants to dominate us she wants to manipulate us.

[@gmradio2436]

@@Auriorium You lost me. Malphala is Aidra and deadra? Want to take another crack at explaining please.

[@Auriorium]

@@gmradio2436 What I wanted to say is that the DB and MT follow the same entity. Maphala is the night mother and sithis. It is the same entity because that is her nature and her portfolio. I use the word Portfolio like it is used for the gods of DnD.

[@gmradio2436]

@@Auriorium Ok, now I understand. So was the Dark Brotherhood Maphala's way of freeing her faction from Vivec?