Determination: The Power to Change Fate (Deltarune Discussion/Theory)

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@hexi639 17 күн бұрын

Its truly interesting that chapter 2 has three endings. And people don’t really talk about the one when you fight queen without loosening the berdly’s wire only using fight, that results Him losing an Arm.

@Plantarc 17 күн бұрын

The Berdly outcomes in chapter 2 is something very interesting indeed. I actually thought about mentioning it in this video, I just couldn't find anywhere to fit it in unfortunately. Perhaps if/when I make a part 2, I'll bring it up.

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@Fragmentsinfractals488 17 күн бұрын

So, in order for Berdly to gain Freedom himself, he loses a part. In order for us to gain Freedom, we must break the game and characters.

@QSBraWQ 16 күн бұрын

But end of Dark World isn't the ending. The ending is Kris opening a fountain, as credits roll. This, ultimately, is just a middle piece.

@toko90s9 16 күн бұрын

I'm also interested in the Twisted Sword route. You can get the Thorn Ring without forcing Noelle to put Berdly on ice, so I'm interested in seeing if that has any difference between a going through with freezing him or not.

@ForAsIn4 16 күн бұрын

Thats what i did first run because tbh i cant be bothered using the act button

@Ryzer235 15 күн бұрын

I just realised, the blue bead in the hospital could also represent Kris as well, with them (or the player, through them) breaking from the intended path and doing things they’re not supposed to.

@RookelCookel 16 күн бұрын

I like to think when we’re told our “choices don’t matter”, it’s directed towards Kris, not us The Voice/Gaster in the beginning tells us “we can’t pick who we want to BE” Never “Your choices don’t matter” Susie does say that “your choices don’t matter”.. But not to us, to Kris.

@coolskeleton2767 16 күн бұрын

I don't think the voice telling us “we can’t pick who we want to BE” is Gaster. It's not in all-caps and the sound text; language is different.

@neilwaterson2487 16 күн бұрын

@@coolskeleton2767Angry Chara from genocide ending probably

@grianjuju9438 16 күн бұрын

@@neilwaterson2487"chara" isn't like that, you watched too many fanon stuff

@zigazav1 16 күн бұрын

To be fair, regardless of the route, Susie hasn't figured out us the player, is controlling Kris via our soul in them. She's only noticed Kris acting unusual or being in a state of emotional suffering. Such as after the Spamton Neo secret boss fight on the normal route of chapter 2. She is the first to actually act and pick up on Kris suffering. While Ralsei is unusually very dismissive of Kris's feelings at that moment. If you make Kris say they're okay, Susie immediately knows that's not true. Leading to some dark humor that cheers up Kris. It's canon that both Undertale and Deltarune are game worlds. With only few who knows they exist in a game. And it is canon that we are controlling Kris like a puppet. Spamton implies it after the battle of him as a secret boss, and any time Kris wants their full free will, they tear the soul out of their body. But it seems Kris cannot survive long without our soul, as they walk stiffly like a zombie without it, and they always put our soul back into their body at some point. I'm honestly curious what Toriel's role will be in Chapter 3. No way is she not involved in any way, since Kris opened Chapter 3's dark fountain with Toriel and Susie asleep in the living room where Kris opened that fountain. I'm also curious what will Toriel's reaction to Ralsei, as he looks allot like her son Asriel. No way is Ralsei not going to be there after Kris did the very thing he stopped Berdley from doing so. And I'm curious what will be Toriel's Dark World form. Every Lightner we've seen be in a Dark World had a different appearance than in the Light World

@JonathanMeyer-o4m 13 күн бұрын

10:15 "see that heart Kris?" I was honestly surprised when you read out that dialogue properly

@GameJam230 16 күн бұрын

Deltarune is a game about battles of opposites. Light vs Dark, Reality vs Dreams, Angels vs Demons, and so on. This duality is in every aspect of the game, even including its name. “Delta Rune”, Delta being the Greek letter that is used in physics to mean “Change in” and Rune (according to some definitions) meaning “An ancient glyph carved into stone”, which can also be taken to mean “something set in stone”. Together, this means the title of the game is essentially “Change what is set in stone”, or “change the unchangeable”, but each half of the title also independently refers to opposites in the idea of duality I brought up- “Determination” and “Determinism” (which is the philosophical doctrine that suggests that humans do not have free will, and everything that will ever happen is algorithmically determinable from a provided state). Deltarune is a battle of the will of the player and the story designed for them to play through.

@hamzainium 14 күн бұрын

wait what if the name of the game means you'll change the prophecy

@tomatomaple72 16 күн бұрын

i find it very interesting how different a role determination plays in both stories, both with a double meaning. Yes, determination means a strong will, but in undertale it also means de-termination, in which someone has the ability to reverse termination, or death. In deltarune, Its double meaning is swapped to be more focused on how someone may DETERMINE fate. I had not yet thought of that.

@dorcusss3693 16 күн бұрын

Berdly can't be dead physically, because despite the monsters being more physical in Deltarune's world, there is text in-game saying that monsters still turn to dust upon death. Berdly is most likely comatose

@zigazav1 16 күн бұрын

"Alive" is debatable. If he is in a coma, we have no confirmation he'll ever wake up. A psychological death essentially.

@dorcusss3693 15 күн бұрын

@@zigazav1 Indeed. I agree. That is why I avoided using the term "alive".

@bengoodwin2141 15 күн бұрын

He could be "fallen down" which is what happens to monsters before they die

@dorcusss3693 15 күн бұрын

@@bengoodwin2141 Ooh interesting. I wonder what the implications are in that case. 🤔Like the difference between comatose (most likely forever) and "fallen down" could probably be used in his revival in some way shape or form.

@brennovelocimetro 8 күн бұрын

What text you're talking about? I never have heard of it

@loganthecoolcatdude4183 6 күн бұрын

10:32 "See that heart Kris? No Shit!" -ralsei probably

@PlayerCarter. 16 күн бұрын

Determination really do be the power to determine In all seriousness good video. Makes me wonder if determination will be used for any more than just wanting to kill everything.

@Plantarc 16 күн бұрын

I'd be very surprised if that's all it was used for. It's very likely we're going to see more parallels with Undertale as the story progresses. For instance, one place I could see it being used is the case of Rudy Holiday, a dying monster. In Undertale, there's all the amalgamates who were essentially revived using determination injections and there's Asriel who was revived as Flowey. What would happen if a monster died, turned to dust with that dust being spread on an object like with Flowey, and you then proceeded to open a dark fountain there? Dark fountains already as is have the power to bring inanimate objects to life. On top of that, Rudy's daughter just happens to be someone Queen thought would be determined enough to open a new fountain... Just food for thought.

@guyscience9655 18 күн бұрын

if you think about it this is just like persona

@Plantarc 18 күн бұрын

deltarune is just persona 6 dancing

@horrorfanatic79 10 күн бұрын

separate comment cause this just occurred to me as i was watching the Closing Thoughts section. you mention how if monsters have determination in Undertale, then they become a pile of goop, "unless you're Undyne, sort of." ... and what i realised is, the key difference between the Amalgams and regular Undyne and Undyne the Undying, is that both the Amalgams and regular Undyne aren't determined enough to achieve a desired goal. however, Undyne the Undying does. in the Genocide route, Undyne is carrying the *fate* of humans and monsters on her shoulders, and she is determined enough to try to stop you, or change that fate. in a Neutral route, if you just kill Undyne, you're not a big threat to the fate of humans and monsters, so she just becomes a pile of goop.

@GLUMBUSWUMBUS 16 күн бұрын

As a great king once said… “Ah... free at last. O Gabriel... now dawns thy reckoning, and thy gore shall glisten before the temples of man! Kris, my gratitude upon thee for my freedom. But the crimes thy kind have committed against humanity are not forgotten! And thy punishment... is death!” -Minos Prime

@VantaroGaming 15 күн бұрын

THY END IS NOW

@loganthecoolcatdude4183 6 күн бұрын

you cant fight the ultrakill

@im_yxur 14 күн бұрын

This video changed my life!

@aazukiart 18 күн бұрын

HOLY SHIT PLANTARC DROP???

@embryodemocracy1275 16 күн бұрын

Bah. What's with this algorithm? I was searching for theories yesterday. I'm always a day late

@loganthecoolcatdude4183 6 күн бұрын

bro wrote that reply like an undertale character

@rianthreeden 16 күн бұрын

Stay determined everyone.

@reaperz5677 16 күн бұрын

I like to think that "Determination" is not synonymous with "willpower" (even if the game makes parallels between the two). It's a compound word of "de" and "termination" (as in, "to reverse termination"), similarly to how "But it refused!" at the end of Undertale can be interpreted as the broken heart/soul literally fusing back into a single piece. What's the significance of this distinction? Fuck if I know, but I like this interpretation better than just the standard "humans = willpower" bullshit modern media has been pushing for decades.

@horrorfanatic79 10 күн бұрын

i feel like it should be pointed out that there's a difference between the No Mercy route and the Genocide route in Undertale. the No Mercy route is just the route where you kill every monster you encounter naturally in a run (a Neutral run), whereas the Genocide route is where you go out of your way to kill every single monster you can in the underground (a _Genocide_ run). this distinction is important especially in this video because a No Mercy route could arguably be considered as lacking the drive to achieve a desired result, or determination. you're just killing whatever appears in front of you. in a Genocide route, however, you actually _go out of your way_ to wipe out the underground, no matter if a fish lady carrying the burden and hopes and dreams of all humans and monsters on her shoulders, or a nihilist skeleton, both of which are also determined to stop you, try to do so. that aside, as a Genocide route main and as a Weird route/Snowgrave route main player, i love this video and how it shows a side of Deltarune that people don't often see, or want to see.

@Plantarc 10 күн бұрын

Oh no I completely agree with you, I just avoided saying "Genocide Route" in this video as... I'm not sure if KZbin would be fond of the term. So I aired on the side of caution and avoided saying the word. It is the better and more accurate name for the route though.

@horrorfanatic79 10 күн бұрын

@Plantarc ahhh i see, yeah that was my guess. though i'm pretty sure it's fine, Undertale content creators have been using the term forever now and youtube never seemed to have a problem with it, to my knowledge. and i'm deep in the theory rabbit hole... oh god.