Detroit 4-53T (50,000 Mile Update)

[@tomstanley7772]

The old Detroits have a sound that stands out from the rest. The only down side is. If there’s no oil under them there’s no oil in them. What a cool swap. Sounds great.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@Maurice-c6z]

The ( leaks) were actually blower box drains, which are part of the design, and could be drained back into pan

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@Maurice-c6z Never run the airbox drains back to the pan.:) I drain mine into a canister and drain it every 10,000 miles. A healthy Detroit should have a dry airbox. I collect mostly water that fallen out from the water meth injection.:)

[@Maurice-c6z]

Well despite what some say, blower box drains, from factory, in later years were drained back into the pan. So don't argue. I might add that they only worked at idle so that they didn't make a mess on the parking lot

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@Maurice-c6z This is true, but Detroit later changed this practice as they were getting coolant in the oil and wiping out the bearings. They now recommend using a collection container which works great.

[@robedmund9948]

NOTHING sounds like a Detroit Diesel! What an friggin SYMPHONY!!

[@J.R.in_WV]

The level of integration into the Ford pickup is what’s truly amazing here. A lot of folks can put a Detroit and big, lazy old Allison in a newer chassis and have it run and move…..you made this 60 year old engine design work with the factory gauges, factory dash / HVAC setup…..and that’s an electrical nightmare. Truly all the props go to you for such a clean, well integrated install.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, I wanted to make a Detroit swap that looked and operated like factory. At the start of the swap I had no idea what I would need to do to integrate the old Detroit to work with both a computerized cab and transmission. Fortunately I found HPTuners and the swap helper to make this happen. I've now got 65,000 mile on the swap and running great.:) The 5R110 is shifting perfect and not making any metal, so happy times.

[@Rodway-qy2fq]

I just have to say, I appreciate your swap and posting it. It and others, first begin, buckbz videos of the GMC (and diamond T) twin stick, air start, Jake's 453 swaps, Have for years motivated and originally inspired to build something of my own. Out of about 10 or more years of looking low key, I finally have acquired a turbo and industrial non turbo 453s in the last few years, and will on day, some how get them into something. Thanks for the continued inspiration, from another B.C.er ( Vancouver Island) Also wanted to note if your still thinking of a zf6 swap in the 6.4 truck, read up on firewall/ tunnel changes in cab, from auto to standard. Can confirm 6.0 with zf6 is different. I can confirm a nv5600 will fit, as I have a 24v VP44, motor, trans, t-case, I'm my auto swapped 6.4 conversion. The nv5600 is much flatter on the top than zf6. Pedel assembly is pretty cheap for clutch from Ford tho.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@Rodway-qy2fq Awesome, thanks, working on another Silver 4-53T that will sport the ZF6 in my 1948 Diamond T 509S. A Buckz inspired build, ZF6 and a Spicer 7041 behind that.:) The 5R110 is running sweet, so no rush for the ZF6 swap, so will use it on the Diamond T build and run it there to run any bugs out.:)

[@heatherbrown2761]

The Detroit 2 Stroke Diesel is the only thing GM has ever made that I like. Love how they sound, awesome engines.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Very true.:)

[@seandeterman2499]

Chevy small block, big block, LS, LT, 3800, 4.3, LBZ? None of those worth your time?

[@heatherbrown2761]

Negative I do apologize but I am a Mopar girl through and through. =) I have had too many problems with GM products, much less with Mopar. I am a mechanic for a landscaping company and we have switched primarily to RAM and have far fewer problems than with our GM or Ford products. =)@@seandeterman2499

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@seandeterman2499 No, I like Detroits. None of those engines fit the bill.:) Detroits burn veg oil and is almost free to drive.:) 40,000 miles on veg oil now.:)

[@fmagalhaes1521]

@DetroitGarage. I thought that I would ask. I was curious if you had any videos on how the swap was done? I was curious how you beefed up the front suspension and the frame to handle the weight of the Detroit.

[@redneckrebelzracing2891]

Very cool unique build, love that screaming Detroit. Even cooler u got it hooked up to the 5R110 running like a factory set up. 👍🤙

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@kevinvoyer5053]

I worked at a storage freight company that had a beautiful 1978 GMC 9500 hydraulic ramp truck that was rated for 8 tons. It was a Sierra Grande cab with all the crime, met dark green with aluminum deck and Alcoa wheels, chrome grill and huge aluminum push bumper and grill/brush guard, that was ordered by the owner when new, 21 years before I came along. It had a tight 4/71T, 190hp @2100, 525lbs ft tq@1400 stock, but it had been rebuilt and tweaked before we got it. All through a 5 speed low hole, with 5:88 posi rear. We used that for all kinds of deliveries, from 28’ sea containers to lumber I would slide off the rear. One time I had 6,000 lbs of 20’ rebar, that I would raise the body and let gravity take over. Well at this site of a huge 12’ deep basement the excavators built a ramp the dump trucks and cement truck could back down. They asked if I could drop it as close to the hole as possible, I said how about IN the hole? They said sure if you can do it. I figured what the hell if I get stuck the loader could pull me out. So I’m backed all the way down already looking up at the sky, as soon as I popped the straps loose the whole wired bunch, all 6,000 lbs of it slid down into a wall and not going anywhere else! So I had no choice, I locked up the rear, put it in granny low, hit the fuel pedal and popped the clutch! WOW that beast dug in and screamed out of that hole standing up on the rear wheels in a wheelie all the way up out of the hole with the front end crashing down as soon as the bundle was off the bed! The guys standing around watching were all clapping and laughing at the spectacle, the Forman actually got a picture!!! Man that truck was fun to drive and sounded awesome, with more than 190 hp with the bigger turbo and cranked rack.

[@detroitgarage9430]

LOl, awesome.:) The GMC 9500's were a nice rig, lots around still earning a keep. A few guys have these that had 6-71's in them and swapped 8V92T's and that made them very responsive.:)

[@harlandawson8447]

that 4-53 sounds beautiful ❤❤

[@VentureGarageOfficial]

Coolest thing ever. I saw this build when you first posted about it. Glad you did something different than everything else.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@allancrow134]

The truck is just plain awesome!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@heatherbrown2761]

God that truck sounds like a Diesel should. Love that build, awesome truck. =)

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, it's smiles by the miles.:)

[@heatherbrown2761]

If your ever in Colorado, would love to hear it live.😁​@@detroitgarage9430

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@heatherbrown2761 I sure will.:)

[@smathet7766]

That would get old pretty quick on a long road trip

[@heatherbrown2761]

Doubtful for me 😁@@smathet7766

[@lukestrasser]

I think it’s worth noting that the Jimmy likes a free flowing big single turbo just like it came from GM. I loved the compounds, but I wonder if they contributed to its demise in original green form and the silver with coated pistons. I can’t help but wonder if the K27 was too small and keeping heat in the engine that led to the rings losing their tension on the first silver build. Cheers!

[@detroitgarage9430]

That's very true, I never mentioned that in the video, but that's why I took the compounds off. I really had to get back to basics to eliminate all the contributing factors. The K27 was too small and you're probably right, too much heat.:) With the compounds I was seeing 1000-1100 on the egt's and now I can't brake 950 with the Garrett.:) I've swapped the K27 over to the 3-53T and will soon by dyno testing that. I Think it's probably the right size for stock injectors, so it's going to be interesting to see how it performs.:)

[@sethsteria7320]

​@@detroitgarage9430What size turbo are you running?

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@sethsteria7320 I'm running a modified Garrett T04E turbo with a 59mm compressor, 64mm turbine and T4 open housing. I also made a T51R compressor mod for it. Here's a video of the turbo.:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYuch3qod5Vmq7c

[@sethsteria7320]

@@detroitgarage9430 Gotcha. There's a guy local to me that's trying to sell a 06 f250 with a 4-53 in it.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@sethsteria7320 :)

[@RobertHolster1]

Man I would suggest looking up the Diesel Podcast with Patrick Ellis. I bet he would love to have you on to discuss your build, given the fact that you probably have the only Detroit powered Super Duty. I've been following you for quite some time, and overly impressed by your work!!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, I'll have a look at his channel.:)

[@sethsteria7320]

There's another one out here in Nebraska actually. 06 F350 Harley edition.

[@rangerismine]

Nothing beats that wonderful noise a detroit makes.

[@bigmacmach1185]

I'm not even a diesel guy but I love these detroits! They sound awesome....Ole2stroker channel got me into the 8v71, 12v71s etc.

[@detroitgarage9430]

They sure do.:) Ole2stroke has some awesome Detroits that's for sure.:)

[@gailduffourc6123]

16 V 92 TI

[@odelldickey2218]

You Sir are a very Smart Man, as well as patient to be able to do that swap . Thanks for the video and update. American Iron all the way!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks for the kind words.:)

[@alexhood9438]

dont even like this year of ford but man that engine and the fact it talks to the factory tacho is such a bonus!

[@detroitgarage9430]

It's nice to have everything working like factory.:)

[@snoman003]

The 4-53 is nice but if you have the room, a 6v-53 is about the best hp to weight ratio of a Detroit, or so I've been told. The tranny (electronic controlled) combo must have been interesting... Sounds good. Admire your dedication to problem solving and NOT giving up.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, yes the 6V53T would be a nice swap, but I never had one when I did this swap. I've got this one turned up to 240HP and the next bump is 280HP.:) That's enough for me, had I done a 6V53 I'd easily be at 350HP. Maybe someday I'll do the swap, but for now I'll run the 4-53T.:) Too many other projects to complete first.:)

[@JohnDiMartino]

It sounds amazing,great job!

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@JohnDiMartino Thanks.:)

[@detroitgarage9430]

@JohnDiMartino Thanks:)

[@nathandevine552]

Especially if you find a aluminum block one

[@JeffK.]

I love your perseverence, bless you for all the time you spent making this project work. I'm a Ford guy with an '89 F250 7.3 IDI. Personally, I'd have bought a turbo'd 7.3 if the 6.4 blew. Nice sound, too, although I wouldn't want to hear it all day. Thanks for sharing.

[@detroitgarage9430]

The 7.3 is always on the back of my mind as it's a great engine as well. I have a 2000 Excursion V10 and the 7.3 would be a great option.:) I did see an idi 7.3 in a 6.4 swap and that was pretty nice as well, but I'd rather the 7.3 Powerstroke. I've been tempted many time to buy one but have resisted.:)

[@therealjayseh]

Best pickup truck in existence right here 👍🏼💪🏼

[@Rodway-qy2fq]

I just have to say, I appreciate your swap and posting it. It and others, first begin, buckbz videos of the GMC (and diamond T) twin stick, air start, Jake's 453 swaps, Have for years motivated and originally inspired to build something of my own. Out of about 10 or more years of looking low key, I finally have acquired a turbo and industrial non turbo 453s in the last few years, and will on day, some how get them into something. Thanks for the continued inspiration, from another B.C.er ( Vancouver Island) Also wanted to note if your still thinking of a zf6 swap in the 6.4 truck, read up on firewall/ tunnel changes in cab, from auto to standard. Can confirm 6.0 with zf6 is different. I can confirm a nv5600 will fit, as I have a 24v VP44, motor, trans, t-case, I'm my auto swapped 6.4 conversion. The nv5600 is much flatter on the top than zf6. Pedel assembly is pretty cheap for clutch from Ford tho.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, that's awesome. Drove a friends P-Pumped 6bt@350HP in a 2008 F-450 with the 5R110 and it was very nice.:) Working on another build, Silver 4-53T@275-300HP with the 7.3 ZF6 into a 1948 Diamond T. Buckz inspired build, 6x4 trans rolling on a 2008 F550 chassis. As for the ZF6, I've read all the issues swapping it, but as the cab is lifted 2", it just might fit without making a new tunnel.:) We'll have to see, but that a few years away, so not too fussed.:) The 5R110 is running sweet, so no urgent need to swap it.:)

[@melanehme3661]

Wow. Speechless. That'd be nice with the new HD 10spd trans ... could it be adapted?

[@detroitgarage9430]

You mean the Ford 10R140? Yes it can easily be adapted, but no one makes a stand alone controller for them. That would be the perfect transmission.:)

[@melanehme3661]

@@detroitgarage9430 awesome build, keep 'em comin' 👌

[@SALTYDATTO]

That idle is so nice! Cool to hear the 5r110w is such a good solid tranny even for swaps. I had an 05 6.blow psd (loved it) but needed a dually for our camper and purchased a 2004 3500 Cummins manual. My dream swap is to do what your buddy did. At the end of the day even with all of that work, that detroit sounds incredible. Very cool build, sir and I hope you can enjoy many more miles to come with it! Cheers

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@MYJ61]

For me there is something about the sound of a Detroit 2 stroke that’s just hard to beat!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Very true.:)

[@jeffjames1743]

Bravo! From a fellow Detroit guy, great way to make a Super Duty different!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, sure is fun to drive.:)

[@gnarlock3927]

Goals for my next truck, buy a blown 6.4 with a beauty interior and stick something old school in there. Nicely done sir you have skills that can't be bought only earned

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, If you haven't already done so check Fummins Tech on Face Book. Covers all the Ford Cummins swaps and a huge knowledge base there. Have fun, you'll love the truck.:) facebook.com/groups/1404763913118051

[@lsswappedcessna]

I've seen a lot of videos about those old Wisconsin engines that were in every tom dick and harry's balers, forklifts, and combine harvesters, sitting for years and some crazy redneck with some time and plenty of beer fires them up with a bit of elbow grease and some basic knowledge. Kinda want to swap the 60hp variant of the Wisconsin V4 into a Yugo, or some similar eastern european economy car that had very little horsepower. I would say a Trabant, but 1, they're quite rare in the states (even rarer than the yugo), and 2, it's probably a bad idea to put that much power into a car where the body panels are made of cotton and resin. They made what, 30 horsepower with the factory 2 cylinder?

[@gnarlock3927]

@@lsswappedcessna No spark plugs allowed! 😊 Perhaps a 3 Cylinder Kubota in a Geo Metro with a chopped top 😈

[@tcmtech7515]

Please do a full in-depth and detailed video on how you got all the modern electronics to work with the old-school engine. I come across newer trucks like you are running now and then with junk engines for cheap (especially blown-up diesels) and I'd love to pick them up and do full custom refits to old-school engines and still keep everything modern working correctly.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Ok, I'll do one in the coming days.:)

[@tcmtech7515]

@@detroitgarage9430 Thank you.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@tcmtech7515 You're welcome.:)

[@RacelifeCo]

I would love to see that as well

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@RacelifeCo I'll get a video up in the comings days for you guys.:)

[@armurano5093]

Congratulations on your hard work.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@oldironsfury]

💯 awesome build ,looking forward to the 100,000 mile update 👍👍

[@d.sparkes346]

Glad I came across this video, I used to follow you on FB (when I had social media) and often wondered how well this unit fared over time. Great job!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, it's dialed in now and running really nice.:)

[@keithwood4297]

It would be fun to find a Jake Brake setup for if.

[@detroitgarage9430]

It has Jakes.:) Here's a video towing my boat using the Jakes from time to time.:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5jYc6SaiJWkpck

[@detroitgarage9430]

Here's another video with some Jake music.:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioKVgIaMmqqdidE

[@keithwood4297]

Thanks! that is such a great sound!@@detroitgarage9430

[@zcl812]

This is nuts man, great job and very unique!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@82f100swb]

Sitting here with a broken Fummins(sins of the PO, broken cam gear) and pretty jealous of this build....

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, With any luck you get Fummins up and running soon.:)

[@82f100swb]

@@detroitgarage9430 My most affordable way forward may be to swap the hurt 12v for a 24v. Have to get the head off and see how bad it is. It puked the head gasket pretty impressively too, it was under 40psi of boost when the cam stopped turning... Might just have to build the VE pump 24v I've been wanting to for a few years now.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@82f100swb Wow, sounds nasty.:)

[@dieselbronco9247]

Awesome swap, gotta love that Detroit sound! Never been a big fan of Cummins swaps, i like the Cummins just fine... its the weiners that drive them i don't much care for.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, yes there's lots of those guys out there. They're attracted to the Detroit because it sounds like I'm trying to race them.lol So 9 times out of ten they slam their foot down and race off down the road. They usually have the fuel turned up way too high so you can't see anything but black smoke.:)

[@jamesgizasson]

As a guy who bought a 12 valve for reliability... I understand the hate completely. XD I knew a bit about the engine, but not the cult that it came with. I'm just happy mine doesn't smoke! Love my white brick, but I hate the stigma.

[@dieselbronco9247]

@@jamesgizasson There are definitely some cool Cummins swaps out there, guy near me has a 75 Chevy half ton 4x4 with a 12 valve and it's really nicely done and looks good. It's the same as the rice rocket guys from the 90's, some are actually cool but most are hack jobs driven by the wiener king himself.

[@jamesgizasson]

@@dieselbronco9247 That sounds awesome! I love those old squarebody pickups! Honestly, my Dodge is an absolute hack job. There's no recognizeable interior, and the body is from four different trucks. I love Frankenstein builds! It's the attitude of most cummins guys I can't stand. X3

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

It's nice to do a project like that and actually enjoy it!!! Thanks!!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Very true, happy times.:)

[@brianwalker1933]

I had an Isuzu tilt tray truck fitted with a 671GM Detroit Engine with a 13 Speed Road Ranger Gearbox. That truck was awesome!

[@detroitgarage9430]

The 671 is one of my favorite engines, I've got a 6V71 in my shop patiently waiting for a home.:)

[@stonix1992]

This is a completely SICK build...... I'd do a 1000 miles road trip with you in that car!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, just finished up a 1400 mile road trip a couple weeks ago.:)

[@benq.mechanical]

That thing is sweet. Super Duty is great platform but so many junk engines went into them. Be nice to see a video with a little closer look under the hood and underneath! Maybe how you got the Ford trans to bolt up.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, here's a video I just did showing all the details of the swap. The second one is the adapters I made for the 5R110. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIOwgqelqMR4jcU 5R110: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXrCZ6d-abqCqLs

[@benq.mechanical]

@@detroitgarage9430 Awesome thanks!

[@kevinsteele2773]

I wanted to do a 353t into a land cruiser troop carrier a few year back. I’m still kicking myself

[@detroitgarage9430]

The 3-53T is a sweet engine, getting a little harder to find now.:)

[@kevinsteele2773]

@@detroitgarage9430 gensets are about over here in Australia. we didn’t get many automotive ( for cars )

[@neilh6217]

Loved this build eh I have a 6v53TT not sure about the twin now or a big single. Lag isn’t a problem if you don’t need boost immediately and plan for it right. My93 W250/350 4500G and 3.54 gears D60’s cinched staying mechanical and old school. Now what do I put it in 70’s ford or Tin front? Loved my last 72 ford 3/4 ton. Truck on guys don’t cut corners eh Just drive over them lol

[@detroitgarage9430]

That 6V53TT would be very nice in the 70's Ford.:) Love those trucks as well.:)

[@caleblewis3463]

Finally a ford worth the money.

[@rockharvey5787]

This is a dream swap of mine. Great job!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, sure is a fun truck.:) Built up another Silver 4-53T for a 1948 Diamond T project. In the process of dyno testing the engine.:)

[@AllAmericanAutomotive]

This thing is wild. Love it

[@snoman003]

Have you done a vid on the process you use to make veg oil compatible + reliable to use with this engine? As well, are you living in an area with a colder climate and how does that affect the process to veg oil usage? Sorry, Lots of questions, very familiar with the engines, military mechanic who worked on 6v-53 for years and looking for a project...

[@detroitgarage9430]

I'll link the veg videos for you. The Detroit loves veg oil and I now have over 40,000 miles on veg. I did a year single tank and blended with 10-30% gasoline depending on the temperatures. Spring to Fall on a single tank works great, but not winter. After the first year of running single tank I made a heated two tank system and it works great. I recently did a 400 mile trip with temps down to -40f with no issues. The veg oil is collected from three restaurants and basically settled, then filtered when I fill my truck. I do run water meth to basically steam clean the combustion chamber and it's keeps everything really clean.:) Here's a link to the veg system: kzbin.info/aero/PLsdSpc8sBphCGE_wVa42EqgMBCnMF5Dmz

[@detroitgarage9430]

Here's the -40f veg trip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6fEYYaqadtpetE

[@nazty1stgen]

Im a cummins guy but, ur channel is making me like Detroit diesel alittle more

[@detroitgarage9430]

I do love Cummins, owned a first get for 14 odd years and loved it.:)

[@76629online]

What gear is in that truck and what kind of fuel economy does it get?

[@detroitgarage9430]

3.73 gears and .71 overdrive, 11-13 towing, 15-16 city and 18-20 hwy.

[@76629online]

@@detroitgarage9430 wow! Not bad! But if you tell me it doesn't leak oil I'll know for sure then that you're full of shit! 🤣

[@mikethorntonr1]

So just wondering do you not have emissions testing where you are? Cause I called the dmv in my state where I live cause I know with semis you could do glider kits and then it goes off the year of your engine and not the cab but the dmv was trying to tell me with my pickup they'll go by the cab year still if I put an older cummins in

[@detroitgarage9430]

I don't have emissions testing where I live, so no issues there.:)

[@zapdotshimmy]

Is this one of those things you’d consider a labor of love over anything? Would you recommend a different starting vehicle to somebody who just wants to make a tow pig for hauling his car to the track? Love detroits always wanted one.

[@detroitgarage9430]

It's certainly wasn't easy to fit the engine, but it's dialed in now and is used and abused like any other truck.:) If I were to make a tow pig, I'd go with an older 90's Chevy or Ford. I say this because they have less electronics, easier to work on and cheaper to buy.

[@TevisC]

Did I miss the part where he says mpg? I'm real curious!

[@detroitgarage9430]

It gets 11-13 towing, 15-16 city and 18-20 hwy.

[@tonydiesel3444]

Om 648 200 horse 400 foot pounds of torque in the 1600 RPM range Mount that to a 6-speed manual from a Mercedes then put it in the truck maybe 373 gears they come with 265 rear end if I'm not mistaken which gives almost 30 30 mpg City and almost 40 Highway

[@detroitgarage9430]

That would be really sweet, wonder what the mileage would be in a full size truck. I'm running this one on used veg oil, so almost free to drive.:)

[@regsparkes6507]

Thumbs up for using that GM/Detroit Diesel. Sounds nice and apparently, runs better.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thannks, runs sweet.:)

[@tunnelvision2day]

Omg that thing sounds so great.. Diesels sounds have been so neutered in the past decade.. They keep bragging about how quiet the new ones are.. Like that's a good thing?? But that 2 stroke sounds like music even at just cruising speed.. Amazing build!!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, I certainly enjoy it.:)

[@f-j-Services]

I figure since it bolts to 5 you can put a zf6 behind it, yknow just a couple more days of work haha! Nice work on getting that auto to work with it AND HUGE PROPS to keeping gauges ALL working!!!!!!!!!! EDIT: Still watching you just talked about it haha! Would be awesome!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Ya I have a ZF6 in the shop and plan a swap in the future.:)

[@5.43v]

​@@detroitgarage9430the only issue is that will make this build less modern

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@5.43v This truck did come with the ZF6 from the factory, so it doesn't change how modern it is.:)

[@robd380]

Music to my ears !

[@charleshaguewood1040]

I have a 453t in a 79 c60 and it's a awesome motor

[@detroitgarage9430]

Awesome, I sure like mine.:)

[@dieseldork6]

Congrats to you! A lot of hard work and it paid off 👍

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@mpedward2]

Im not a Ford fan until now.. very nice build and the hard work shows! Very nice and impressive truck!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@jbird21122]

Love the build you can actually hear the radio what is that little digital dash that you’re using?

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, it's an Edge CTS3 tuner.:)

[@jbird21122]

are you using the tuner for D Deck? Or just for the gauges?

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@jbird21122 Just for the gauges.:)

[@jbird21122]

I’ve been looking for something similar. I appreciate the info and I’ll be watching the builds Thanks again.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@jbird21122 You're welcome.:)

[@matt72991]

Do you have any videos of towing with it? Would like to see how it does towing. And how does it do for fuel mileage?

[@detroitgarage9430]

Hey Matt, average fuel mileage is around 11-13 mpg towing.:) Here's a playlist of the different tow videos. Cars, boats, utility trailers. kzbin.info/aero/PLsdSpc8sBphA1Bb0kczQFNaFavxSIQgdG

[@matt72991]

@@detroitgarage9430 awesome! Gonna check those out for sure. 11-14 isn't too bad at all!

[@seeweezeke]

Man i remember when it seemed like all semi trucks sounded like this. The exhaust brakes were so loud it was deafening,

[@detroitgarage9430]

Very true, now you can't even hear them.:)

[@blfjr2005]

Awesome build, make sure your have a intake block off in case it runs away

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, it's Silver Series with the Safety Rack., pretty much impossible for a run away.:)

[@blfjr2005]

@@detroitgarage9430 awesome, they are cool engines. It's still supercharged with a turbo?

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@blfjr2005 Yes, what power are you getting from the 4BT? I owned a first gen 6BT for 14 years and loved it. Was getting 22-23 hwy.

[@rk-ec7kx]

You have a very cool build,

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@mikeanderson7206]

I know a gentleman with an old international 6 pac crew cab looked like a travel travelall if he left his canopy on it He was a journey level diesel mechanic by trade then became a diesel mechanics instructor at a community College any he fabricated and modified his internal 6-53 turbo charged engine and after trying many different transmission he finally landed on the one. He put a Clark 5 speed in with his 6-53 in his international. It was hopped up the school had a dyno I don't remember actual numbers but it put enough power and torque that he felt it can't be daily driven like that nor reliable if anyone else besides himself drove it. He built a stronger front and rear driveshaft and set power and torque at safe level that Dana 60 and 70 could handle a jimmy and Clark 5 speed out of medium duty truck. I also know a guy with 1979 Ford f350 with 4-53 with Clark 5 speed put together 20 years ago daily driven for many years still has same engine and transmission and same clutch the whole time it's been in the f350. Maybe think about a CLARK 5 SPEED

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, I've looked at the Clark 5 speed as an option but have settled on either the ZF6 that I currently have in the shop or a Spicer 7 speed. The Clark gear spreads are not well suited for the Detroit and really need an aux trans to match them well. A lot of those Clark's were matched up with a two speed rear end and that worked well.:)

[@montycrain5783]

Considering a 4-53 or 6V53. Is the mpg anywhere close to a Ford DT360 or Cummins 12valve? Say 15 mpg? Also where did you get your compound turbos from?

[@detroitgarage9430]

I get 15-16 city and 18-20 hwy. I used a BorgWarner K27/K31 combo off wrecked truck. K27 off a Mercedes and the K31 off a Detroit 60 series.

[@williambarry8015]

That swap sounds difficult. I dont know anything about diesels but getting the engine, transmission, bell housing and starter to fit together sounds like it would take some serious skill!?

[@detroitgarage9430]

It wasn't easy, but was a fun engineering challenge for me .:) All the machining work was done by me including the transmission and crank adapters.:) Too much fun.:)

[@williambarry8015]

@@detroitgarage9430 Good job👍👍

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@williambarry8015 Thanks.:)

[@bigmike7528]

Nice build! What propane injection system did you use, and how did the propane wipe out the bearings and rings? I'm guess you got the mixer wrong and leaned it out too much.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, I used an old acetylene regulator and had it come on after 7 psi boost. The bearings were still ok, but were coated as well and the coatings were starting to come off, so I put stock bearings back in. As for the liners and rings they were really scuffed, probably from the combination of ceramic coatings coming off and the lack of lubrication due to too much propane? The propane masked the engine issues until I noticed it was starting to burn oil, smoke and lack of power with the propane off. The propane was gas injection, not liquid. Been running water meth every since the new rings and hone and it's perfect.:)

[@anthony-ol4fg]

Beautiful build sir, do you have the part number for the performance camshaft ?

[@detroitgarage9430]

It is a Leid Diesel performance grind they do, Part # QP-M5126748.:)

[@anthony-ol4fg]

@@detroitgarage9430 thank you very much for sharing

[@franciscolinera7618]

Yes, it sounds like a Detroit! As far as the swap, 6B or not, it's your truck! If you are happy with it, the heck with the rest!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, very true.:)

[@CopperheadGarage]

How much power and torque does it make?

[@detroitgarage9430]

At the moment it’s at 240HP and 525 FTLBS of torque.

[@CopperheadGarage]

@@detroitgarage9430 not bad

[@SuperDriver379]

I’m also glad you didn’t do the very popular thing of cummins swapping everything, and doing something different. Would you consider if you were starting this build again of doing a 6V53T? Just for the added displacement for easier horsepower? Would one even fit?

[@detroitgarage9430]

Definitely, If I had a 6V53T at the time I would have swapped that, but only had this 4-53T. I've test fitted the 6V53 I have now and it fit's pretty good.:) I converted this 4-53T to a Silver Series and is turned up to 240HP, next bump is 280HP.:)

[@SuperDriver379]

@@detroitgarage9430 that’s a lot for 212 cubic inches, in my experience once you start getting more than 1hp:cubic inch, they start to become difficult to keep reliable. Not that you can’t just that you have to start trying where more displacement per Hp is fairly mundane.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@SuperDriver379 True, I'll be building another Silver 4-53T for a different project starting soon. My goal is 280HP smoke free. All the testing will be done on my dyno, so makes it a lot easier.

[@SuperDriver379]

@@detroitgarage9430 The two stroke detroits of all family’s are fairly clean burning engines when they’re fueled properly, I’ve seen some 8V92’s make 650 horse with barley a haze at first, once under boost it was burning all the fuel going into it. It’s no wonder why these engines are still around and still being used in marine and industrial applications.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@SuperDriver379 True, with my current setup with 71 series injector's (7A77's) are smoke free. I have the fuel modulator set pretty tight, so no smoke right off idle. I did recently try 9G90's, but had to remove them as one injector failed. Never had a chance to test the 9G90's for my than a few miles, so I'll revisit them on the Dyno. For now the 7A77's are working really nice.

[@justnsaliga8518]

Would love more videos of this truck

[@detroitgarage9430]

Here's a playlist of all the in cab videos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJeYiniYiNd_ec0

[@AQLandscaping]

How much sound proofing did you install in the firewall and such to have it not too bad in the cab?

[@detroitgarage9430]

I use auto motive lead on the valve covers and oil pan and for the firewall I used 1/16" lead sheet and bonded it. Goes from the top of the firewall to just under the lip of the transmission tunnel. Cab noise is just about perfect, can just hear the Detroit. More noise comes out out the exhaust than the engine.:)

[@1776FREE2]

But seriously though… Why not a Cummins? Edit: Props to him for trying something different!

[@detroitgarage9430]

I owned a first Gen for 14 years and love the Cummins, but wanted something different. I had this engine I bought for a different swap that never happened, so Detroit it was. I'm happy I did as they're great little engine and burn veg oil really well. Every year I drive this I save $5000 USD, so it pays for itself every year.

[@sgfreak96]

Hey possibly dumb question. Curious what the reason is behind why propane may have caused some of those major issues for you in that first year? Just want to understand the science behind that purely. Very cool build, and love to see you experimenting with alternative fuels in it like propane and veg oil!

[@detroitgarage9430]

I'm not entirely sure why the propane played a part in my issues. I've spoken to many a Detroit mechanic and they say the propane caused too much heat soak in the pistons and rings. This leads to scuffing and softening of the rings leading to lower compression. Another issue I had was ceramic material coming off the pistons and adding to the problem. Most of the rings were stuck and packed full of what looked like ceramic material. I removed the ceramics and honed the liners, one liner replaced due to too much scaring. I've not had an issue since and now run water meth instead of propane. My next engine build for the Diamond T with be at 280-300 HP with larger injectors and water meth. I'll be honing the new liner .002" to give a little more wiggle room so I don't have anymore issues.:)

[@sgfreak96]

@@detroitgarage9430 Appreciate the reply man! Just subscribed, I look forward to seeing your continued changes to this build and what else you come up with. Seeing a detroit two stroke in a new ford is not something you see everyday, even on youtube!

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@sgfreak96 Thanks for the sub.:) Yes it certainly turns heads.:)

[@noscopesallowed8128]

Still the coolest build on YT. I'd have found and put one in my obs F150 by now if they didn't weigh almost a ton. Probably end up doing it anyways one day, front axle be damned...

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, yes very heavy for a 1/2 ton.:) 353's another good choice for the F150.:)

[@noscopesallowed8128]

@@detroitgarage9430 Oh jeez I couldn't imagine having LESS power than I already have lmao The old 300 in it right now makes about -0 HP and somewhere around 12 ft/lb of torque. Surprisingly close numbers to a stock 4-53 too, just without the sound. Not sure I'd ever be able to reach highway speeds with a 3-53 haha, even though those are very cool engines as well.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@noscopesallowed8128 Those were great engines, very popular in the day.:)

[@collinklitz7434]

This kinda reminds me of the Achates Power 2.7L opposed piston diesel

[@detroitgarage9430]

Man I'd love to have that engine is, I've been following them for years.:)

[@theredwedge9446]

This is the coolest thing ever

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Is it geared high enough to go 65 mph (105 kph ) ?? What is the milage ? How did you get that factory ford tachometer to work with that engine and what computer is shifting the transmission?? EXCELLENT video, thanks for making it 👍

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, yes, geared .71 overdrive with 3.73 gears, 95 mph@2650 rpms. I cruise 70-80 mph at 2000-2150 rpms.:) I used swap helper to get the tach to work and use the Ford PCM/TCM to shift the 5R110. I tuned it with HPTuners to dial it in.

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

@@detroitgarage9430 Thanks for the reply👍 How do you get the factory computer to control the transmission correctly when there are no inputs to the computer from the factory engine? Asking as a new subscriber.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 You need to keep 13 sensors from the 6.4 and swap them over to the Detroit so the PCM/TCM sees them. Using HPTuners I can tune the shift points to suite the Detroit and that works really well.

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

@detroitgarage9430 Thanks for your reply. Found your video on the sensors. Thanks for the information and making that video. Obviously explaining all that is WAY easier than making it happen. Much RESPECT for making that all work 👍 Sorry to ask but don't you have to pass some kind of communist inspection on that truck periodically?? I watched a different Canadian youtuber fixing up a 57 Chevy and he had to go back and forth over that mess 3 times.

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 You're welcome.:) No checks here on emissions, so I don't have to worry. I did tune the PCM so that it's emissions ready if they ever plug into the OBD2 port. PCM is clear of codes as well.:) If it ever comes to that I'll change the title to a 2000 or earlier.:)

[@StVick]

I remember a super old video of a guy putting a old Detroit in his 04 Silverado 2500. First time i saw that i was in love with the idea. I dont drive my 14 Ram 3500 6.4 hemi enough to justify an engine swap. Probably going to put a cummins in it if the engine goes one day.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Yeah, the Cummins is a great engine and would be a pretty straight forward swap.

[@DefconMaster]

Goddamn that is a cool rig! Sure, you could've swapped in a Cummins and gotten a nice, perfectly respectable truck, but this has so much more personality!

[@georgeshotrodbarn2113]

Well thats all dandy and fine but will it spin the tores.

[@detroitgarage9430]

I'm sure it would easily do brake stands, but off the line I'm not sure. Neither one is cheap, so I don't try.:)

[@aidan_holland]

Sounds like yer from the great white north bud. Good thing ICBC doesn't do inspections eh?

[@detroitgarage9430]

Yes, there's no emissions testing here.:)

[@North700]

Great video, just curious how does it compare In terms of fuel mileage to a Cummins?

[@detroitgarage9430]

I'm getting 18-20 mpg hwy @9200 lbs. My first gen Cummins @ 7000 lbs got 19-21 mpg.

[@sirmister4411]

Anybody can put a Cummins in it. But a Detroit in a ford your going to Hell! It’s awsome I love it ! Thanks for doing it you maybe starting a new trend

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks, It's definitely a hard sell, but I certainly like it.:) The Cummins swaps are what everyone goes for.:)

[@jameswest3021]

To much work but if it breaks at least you know how to fix it. Those predator swaps are getting popular too. Under that hood you could maybe do a quad pack turbo. Toroflow would be different as well. Something more ex stream though would be the ford 18l GAA v8 and then to really kill it put diesel heads on it. Could be another Detroit fuel pincher?

[@detroitgarage9430]

It's built to run economically for the next 30 years, so it was worth it. I have two cores in the shop for future projects, so can have one as a spare. These engines are very easy and cheap to rebuild, so this engine will stay in for as long as I live.:) As far as fuel pinchers are concerned, can't get any cheap than this truck. Runs on used cooking oil, so almost free to drive.:)

[@minibikemadman]

how hard is it to swap one of these into any gasser? I know you have a lot of time into this swap...i love these motors and would love to have one for a DD.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Depends on the year of your gasser. The newer the models the more complicated the swap gets. An older 70, 80 or 90's truck are the easiest.:)

[@tonydiesel3444]

I would love 6 sp man transmission

[@detroitgarage9430]

I've got a ZF6 that I'm planning on putting behind the Detroit. I think that would be awesome if I can make it work. Other option is a 7 speed Spicer medium duty trans, it bolts to the Detroit with no adapters.:)

[@tuckerbrimstat]

What kind of fuel mileage you get out of it?

[@detroitgarage9430]

11-13 towing, 15-16 city and 18-20 hwy.:) Running on 100% waste veg oils so around 2 cents per mile.:)

[@mattberg916]

Are jakes available for the 4-53?

[@detroitgarage9430]

Yes, I have Jakes on this engine and they work really nice.:)

[@panthermartin7784]

At what stage of ownership does the stink and noise, especially being a city driver become a pain in the ass? I mean the detroit music is cool AF for the first couple cases of beer but then what.

[@detroitgarage9430]

I did a lot of sound proofing, so the interior sound level are very similar to the 6.4. As far as stink, there's zero smoke and smell like fried chicken. I burn veg oil in this so it smells like steaks or chicken cooking.

[@TJW4568]

This is the coolest thing I’ve seen in I don’t know how long!

[@detroitgarage9430]

Thanks.:)

[@mikecorleone6797]

I wanna know what the mpg is

[@detroitgarage9430]

11-13 towing, 15-16 city and 18-20 hwy. I burn veg oil in this engine, so fuel is almost free.:)

[@hughwolfe8524]

Impressive, hard to believe a 4 cylinder is pulling that 9K PICKUP around so easily..

[@detroitgarage9430]

True, it's only 3.5 liters.:)

[@Tinkerer4Life-pp2dg]

What sort of HP and Torque does that engine make?

[@detroitgarage9430]

Right now I'm at 240HP and 525 ftlbs of torque, end goal is 280/585 smoke free.:)

[@Tinkerer4Life-pp2dg]

Haha, that's awesome. Sounds great and hope you achieve that. 👍

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@Tinkerer4Life-pp2dg Thanks.:)

[@MrChevrolet94]

Is this 4-53 mechanical or electronically injected? Did you have to delete the ECU for the swap?

[@detroitgarage9430]

It's mechanical and the ECU/TCU are both functioning. I tuned both with HPTuners. Here's a video on the topic.:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIOwgqelqMR4jcU

[@tonydiesel3444]

7.3 is flat out amazing just about 100% reliable maybe for 25 years but you don't see people swapping them in anything it's so weird I think I've seen maybe three where they put it in something else but if someone put a 7.3 with a 6-speed in a 08 or a 2010 model 70s crew cab I'm cash in hand man ready to buy

[@detroitgarage9430]

I've got a 2000 Excursion V10 Triton and many times have considered a 7.3 swap. Like you said they are awesome engines.:) My ZF6 came off a 7.3.:)

[@fohdmoco]

People are building rat rods with them someone put a 6.0 in a mustang ive seen a 7.3 obs f150 also

[@detroitgarage9430]

@@fohdmoco That would be nice, I've seen a few 6.0 swaps in 64 F100's and those were very nice.:)

[@guerrillaradio9953]

I love it! What kind of fuel economy are you getting?

[@detroitgarage9430]

I'm getting 11-13 towing, 15-16 city and 18-20 hwy. I'm burning veg oil, so it's almost free.:)

[@natemcgowan5416]

Always heard these detroits are pretty thirsty. What kind of MPG you getting?

[@detroitgarage9430]

It get very close to the same fuel mileage as the 6.4 did. 11-13 towing, 15-16 city and 18-20 hwy. Because I'm able to burn waste veg oil fuel is almost free.:)

[@adventurewagen]

The Detroit sounds way cooler too. I have 2 cummins swapped fords but dig something different.

[@detroitgarage9430]

Having owned a Cummins for 12 plus years I decided the Detroit needs a swap.:) It's certainly different and I'm now very happy I swapped it.:)

[@allenmorris9951]

Is the 5R110 giving you issues? Are you running the PCS controller or through the Ford TCM

[@detroitgarage9430]

No, it's working really well. I'm using the Ford TCM and tuned it with HPTuners.

[@diesellivesmatter]

How did you get the trans working with it?

[@detroitgarage9430]

I used the Ford PCM/TCM to control the 5R110. I kept thirteen sensors from the 6.4 and used them on the Detroit. This allows the PCM/TCM to communicate and then tuned it with HPTuners.:)